Phantom's Temple

The Temple => The Heart Room => The Chamber of the Sacred Markers => Topic started by: PurpleParrot319 on May 19, 2013, 09:01:15 PM

Title: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 19, 2013, 09:01:15 PM
I decided to join in on the fun with these polls with one of my own. It concerns temple run performances by certain players. Each day, I'll post a player who I feel is worthy of being in this conversation. That is, if I feel someone gets too much undeserved hate or criticism, then I'll include them in a poll. Likewise, if I feel a player doesn't get enough criticism for their performance, I'll include them too. I don't know how long this will last, but let's see how it goes. We'll use this topic for every player I want to discuss.

Previous Results:
Day 1: Brian (The Bent Shaving Pan of Jedediah Smith): 4-2 in favor of yes
Day 2: Rinette (The Codebook of Mata Hari): 3-2 in favor of no
Day 3: Aqila (The Golden Pepperoni of Catharine de Medici): 5-1 in favor of yes
Day 4: Paula (The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy): 5-1 in favor of yes
Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon and the Lost Fountain of Youth): 3-2 in favor of yes
Day 6: Tony (The Stone Head of the Evil King): 6-0 in favor of no
Day 7: Bobby (The Mask of Shaka Zulu): 3-3 undecided
Day 8: Ashlie (The Bonnet of Dolley Madison): 6-0 in favor of yes
Day 9: Nick (The Melted Head of Madame Tussaud): 6-0 in favor of no

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Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian-Bent Shaving Pan
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 19, 2013, 09:07:09 PM
I'll start out by saying yes, Brian does get too much hate for his temple run performance. Give the kid a break. He only had 28 seconds left when he entered the temple. If anything, Irish should be getting more hate than him. I thought moved at a nice pace with the time he had left. The only hiccup he had was in the Pit of the Pendulum where he took a little too much time diving in. Hey, at least it wasn't Karissa bad. That girl took forever to get into the Pit! Plus, if you think about it, Brian got to the Jesters' Court exit in 28 seconds. Randy from Metal Beard got there in almost 23 seconds. Both are almost the same. It was a 5 second difference, sure. But in Brian's defense, he had no prayer in the world of getting to where Irish got taken out. The Randy example is a good example of this.

Brian, in my opinion, you get too much undeserved hate.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 19, 2013, 09:30:10 PM
Sorry, but he deserves every bit of critique that he gets. Yes he only had 28 seconds, yes Irish was slow as well. But it should never take you 28 seconds just to get to the Dark Forest, as the second player. At least Randy knew what she was doing, she was fast. Brian obviously wasn't, he doesn't deserve any breaks. There was nothing special or nothing memorable about him anyways. I know there was little time left on the clock, but he did a terrible job following up on Irish's path. Both players sucked. And by the looks of this poll, looks like I'm the one with the unpopular opinion here.

Also, I don't quite like the idea of this thread. I hate to be a killjoy, but I can see this thread turning into a heated debate on who did bad and who did great. It might stir up some resentful feelings, plus we already have too many polls. I know we've had threads in the past for "which player in underrated" and "which player is overrated," but having to rank over 100 players on one little thing just doesn't bode well for discussion.

EDIT: Thread moved to the Chamber. Since this is indeed a voting/poll/ranking thread.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 19, 2013, 09:52:55 PM
Oh, of course. Just like my Failed Escape topic, this one is going downhill fast. Why does this have to happen to me? Am I not allowed to have fun with these topics while everyone else can? I'm trying to be creative here. I am NOT trying to start an argument with this post or this topic. I knew I should've stayed quiet like I have been. -__-
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 19, 2013, 10:02:53 PM
Honestly I don't think this is a bad idea for a thread. We all have different opinions and sometimes they might not be the same as others. But we usually pretty good about arguing without getting out of control. We will be fine. ;)

As for Brian, I have to agree with PPF. While 28 seconds is hardly enough time to work with, he made some weird decisions while inside of the temple following up on Irish's path. He moved very slow through the Crypt and in the Pit of the Pendulum he took his time trying to jump down to the problem. His run ended in the Jester's Court but he could've at least entered the Room of the Ancient Warriors before time was up. There were plenty of second runners who had little time to work with like Brian, and they all made it pretty far with their alloted time - Katie (Imperial Wizard), Elisa, Matthew (Belle Boyd), and even Elise from War Fan all did great following up on their partner's paths. It's not like he belongs in the same tier as Dana and Lauren who were both annoying and made even worse progress, but he hardly was a good player.

As for Irish, I still blame this whole loss on her. I use to feel sorry for her due to the one room away guard, but I honestly find her to be a mediocre player. Even Brittany from "Pytheas" was taken out in the Shrine with 1:45 on the clock and she moved just as slow as Irish. Except Irish was also very hesitant and clueless also.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 19, 2013, 11:08:53 PM
Is it alright to nominate some players too? Some interesting contestants to cover would be:

Lissy (Queen Boadicea)
Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Jennifer (Madame Tussaud)
Mitchell (Moccasins)
Paula (Butch Cassidy)
Heather (Snow Cone)
Tony (Stone Head)
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 19, 2013, 11:18:18 PM
Sure, you can nominate players. ;)

In fact, I'll add to your list: Rinette (Codebook).
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 20, 2013, 12:34:44 AM
I like the idea of this topic. It is creative and thought-provoking, and I am excited to discuss things in this topic.

As for Brian, I do think he gets a bit too much criticism for his performance in the temple run. I don't think it is entirely fair to judge Brian's performance harshly because he only had enough time to run through previously-completed rooms. We never got a chance to see him actually "do" anything. Even though he could have been further along when time expired, it would have been near impossible to even reach the King's Storeroom unless Irish had moved more quickly in the first place. Therefore, while I think Brian could have done better, I believe the amount of criticism he receives is a bit excessive.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 20, 2013, 10:09:53 PM
Thanks to those who support this idea. I'm glad this got more than 5 votes. I don't expect it to take 100 days obviously, but we'll see how it goes.

Voting for Brian has expired and Phantom's Temple has spoken. Brian gets too much undeserved hate, 4-2 in favor of yes.

Next up: Rinette from The Codebook of Mata Hari. Let me set up the new poll first.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 20, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
I'm having the same problem as before with no one being able to vote now. :|
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 20, 2013, 10:24:03 PM
I am not sure why you and GM1 aren't able to remove polls at all and make new ones. I am able to make new polls in any topic I create and can remove them at anytime. Like when the Season 2 poll is up for the "Rate the Temple" thread, I will just remove the S2 poll and put up a new poll for S3. It's pretty bizarre.  :o
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 21, 2013, 12:13:15 PM
Looks like voting has opened. Time to get some votes in. ;)

I'll start off by saying yes, Rinette does get too much hate. I understand she was slow (Gabby speed), but that was here only problem. This is pretty much the exact same situation as Brian. Slow, but not THAT clueless. Plus, we didn't really get to see what Rinette was made of. She might've been a slow, but smart player for all we know. I give her sitting on the throne a pass since a lot of players did that even after the objective was completed (Jennifer from Lost Gold Mine anyone?). Plus, she only had about 40 seconds left to get where Garrett was taken out. With the Holes of Python to go through, Rinette had no chance of getting to the Treasure Room in time.

Rinette, I feel that you get too much hate around here.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 21, 2013, 02:14:32 PM
You might want to change the topic title for Rinette since it still says Brian on it. ;)

When it comes to Rinette, I voted no for getting too much hate. I know that there was absolutely no real way to reach the Codebooks or even reach where Garrett was left off, but she did not use her time wisely at all. She moved so slow when she entered the temple and literally was taking her own time. She was almost as slow as Jackie was in the temple, or right up there with her at least. And watch the way she moves through the Holes of Python. If she had a whole minute to herself, I doubt she would've even made it to the Shrine with her slow pace. With a cleared out path like the one her partner made for her, at least make an attempt to speed up. This temple run would've been much worse if she went in first. I feel that she deserves the hate she gets.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Rinette (Codebook)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 21, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
I thought I swore I changed it last night. :|

It's changed now.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 1: Rinette (Codebook)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 21, 2013, 02:33:40 PM
Another no from me too. There's no excuse to take 44 seconds to get from the Holes of the Python room, from where Kirk was standing. Kerry from the Cracked Crown of the Spanish King was faster than her. She was slow, clueless, not to mention completely forgettable. Look at what Katie from Imperial Wizard and Elisa from Discarded Seal did with what little time they had. No sympathy for her, her fault for not speeding up.

Edited the OP for it to say Day 2, and not Day 1.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 2: Rinette (Codebook)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 21, 2013, 09:05:58 PM
Anyone else want to vote?
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 2: Rinette (Codebook)
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on May 21, 2013, 09:11:03 PM
I think Rinette deserves the hate, she was way to slow  :roll: .
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 2: Rinette (Codebook)
Post by: The Silver Monkey on May 22, 2013, 10:41:17 PM
I say yes (same for Shaving Pan Brian). Simply didn't have enough time to make any additional progress.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 23, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
Voting has closed for Rinette and Phantom's Temple has spoken. Rinette, the hate you get is deserved.

Next up is Aqila from The Golden Pepperoni of Catharine de Medici.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 23, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
For Aqila, I'm going to say no. I think the amount of hate she gets for her temple performance is just right. I mean, she had all that time to herself and she made one too many mistakes. She completed objectives slowly, had a couple of instances of being clueless, passed up the half pendant at first, and to top it all off, she PASSED UP the Pepperoni! Too many mistakes by one runner in one temple run.

It's hard to forgive her for those mistakes, especially for Purple Parrot fans like myself. :evil:
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 23, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
I actually said "Yes" this time for Aqila. Her performance was pretty shameful, but people make her out to be worst than what she really did. It's not like she was like the loser in my signature or Karisa who blew their whole load when they entered the temple. Aqila's problem was that she was slower than usual.  But a lot of contestants on the show were guilty of that though. She still seemed to complete the room objectives fine by me and even found the half-pendant. And considering the teams that passed the half-pendant in S2 (Emiliano Zapata, Captain John Smith, Nzinga, Nathan Hale, and Sultan Suleiman) it was actually a smart thing for her to go back for it. Although it was pretty inexcusable for her passing the Golden Pepperoni, it's not like the team would've won anyways. If it wasn't for that mistake, I am sure not many people would pick on her.

But still, the Pepperoni was a pretty big fail. But not on the same level as Claude, Jackie, or the Sultan Suleiman kids.  :shock:
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 23, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
I also say yes. She really wasn't that bad at all aside from her passing up of the pepperoni. I think people over exaggerate how terrible she was. I happened to like Aqila, whether she passed up the artifact or not. She doesn't deserve hate at all.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 24, 2013, 12:36:37 AM
I think Aqila was a better contestant than most people give her credit for. She went back for the half pendant, which is more than many Season 2 contestants can say. She may have been a little bit slow to complete the King's Storeroom objective, but once she shook off the temple guard encounter, she did well in the Shrine. The biggest error was passing up the Golden Pepperoni, but I think it's forgivable: many other contestants who had to grab an artifact out of the upper left room took a few seconds to locate the artifact and grab it (Helmet of Genghis Khan and Applewood Amulet come to mind), and since she only had 2 or 3 seconds in the room, she wasn't lucky enough to grab it in time. Overall, though, I think Aqila was a good player.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 24, 2013, 03:36:55 PM
And by the time Aqila entered the temple, she only had 2 minutes to herself and only 3 rooms were entered. And enroute to the artifact she completed the Laser Light Room, Jester's Court, King's Storeroom, and Shrine. So she had a pretty tough path on the way there. Reaching the artifact was a pretty good feat. It's not like Kim or Karissa who had a path cleared deep into the temple and then they screwed up by doing stupid mistakes. Aqila was just a little slow.
Title: Re: Does this player get too much undeserved hate? Day 3: Aqila (Golden Pepperoni)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 26, 2013, 12:03:08 AM
Voting is now over for Aqila and the verdict's in. Aqila gets too much undeserved criticism.

Before I say who's next, just thought I'd say that hate is too harsh now that I think about it. Criticism is a better word I'm looking for. That's what I'll use to replace "hate" in the topic title.

Okay, just give me a few minutes and we'll move onto Paula from The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 26, 2013, 12:10:51 AM
First post edited as well as poll and title.

I'll start off by saying yes to Paula. I think she gets too much criticism. While the layout may have been simple, Paula didn't do anything wrong. It's not like she was on the production staff coming up with that layout. Even though the rooms she entered were very simple, Paula seemed to know what she was doing. I thought she moved at a good pace and won with plenty of time left on the clock. I feel that she earned that win despite it being easy.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 26, 2013, 12:32:52 AM
No, she deserves all the hate she gets. She is by far the most overrated contestant ever and this win was handed to her on a silver platter. She didn't earn jack. No, she lucked into it. If Mitchell gets maligned for his easy layout, so should Paula. I swear, I hate this run as much as I do Shaka Zulu and Silk Ladder. She didn't deserve to win, she deserves all the comments she gets. No sympathy from me.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 26, 2013, 12:38:19 AM
This was a very tough decision, but I ultimately chose yes though for the amount of hate Paula gets. But believe me, I was VERY close in choosing no as an option. I think Paula does get ragged on a little too much with her simplistic layout. I mean, the teams really can't choose their layout. So Paula only won with the layout the producers given her. In the past though, people used to pray Paula a lot for her fast temple win. And then they would say that Missy and Olivia-Emma were lucky players who barely won. Nowadays though, most people seem to realize that Paula's win really wasn't that great. She was fast, but her path was way too easy though and it basically just actuators. But still, winning with over a minute left was still a good feat. At the end of the day though, Paula is still overrated, and I am only voting yes just because she gets a little too much hatred sometimes. Now if this was a certain Blue Barracuda male temple victor though, I think my choice would've been different.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 26, 2013, 11:01:04 AM
I think Paula was a good contestant throughout her whole episode. She didn't do anything bad or wrong during the run, and it isn't her "fault" that her path was simplistic. I should add that she even unnecessarily added on an extra room (Heart Room) to her path. Had Medusa's Lair been in place, that would have used up some time, but it can't be held against her that the room was not yet complete. Overall, Paula's quick completion of the temple was expected because the rooms were so simple, but since she finished with so much time left on the clock, I think the run was okay. So all in all, Paula's gets too much criticism.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on May 26, 2013, 11:48:41 AM
Yes. Paula just gets harassed due to the outcome of the third game. Sure, the layout was easy. But Paula moved fast and scored the win.

Paula, you do not deserve the criticism. ;)
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 26, 2013, 03:51:24 PM
I think she does, and I'm still keeping my vote. The 5-1 vote means it's not unanimous.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 4: Paula (Silver Horseshoe)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 28, 2013, 11:56:26 PM
Voting for Paula is over with. With a 5-1 result in favor of yes, Paula, you get too much undeserved criticism. ;)

Next up is Jessica from Ponce De Leon and the Lost Fountain of Youth.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 29, 2013, 12:08:25 AM
Voting is now open for Jessica.

I'll start off by saying yes, she does get too much undeserved criticism. This is a similar situation to Brian and Rinette. Just like those two, Jessica didn't have much time left when she entered the temple. Only 36 seconds remained, in a run where this team had to get to the Heart Room from below. This after James got taken out one room away with an unfair temple guard. All I see is nothing but bad things said about Jessica. Sure, she made the mistake of dawdling around with the Observatory. However, she had no prayer in the world of getting to the Water Bottle, or getting to where James was taken out. There just wasn't enough time to see what Jessica was made of. I honestly don't blame her for backtracking with basically 10 seconds left. She probably didn't see any point in continuing on and I don't hold that against her in this case. Plus, before she entered the Observatory, Jessica moved at a nice pace. I really believe that if she had plenty more time on the clock, then she could've made something happen.

Jessica, I truly believe you get too much criticism around here.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 29, 2013, 12:25:12 AM
No. Speed means nothing, she was just clueless. Imagine if she went into the temple first instead of James. :shock: No sympathy.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 29, 2013, 12:26:19 AM
No, I feel that Jessica deserves all the criticism she gets. While the temple layout was pretty tricky, and while she hardly had any time, she also made some weird choices with her little time in the temple. James cleared a path all the way to the Room of Harmonic Convergence for her. Now, I don't think they would've even reached the Water Bottle, but she didn't even have her act together. The furthest she made was the Treasure Room and from there for no reason, she runs back to the Observatory as if the Heart Room magically opened from that room. Plus, she moved slow anyways. I am not sure what she was trying to do neither did she either. :oops:
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon)
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 29, 2013, 10:12:54 AM
I think that Jessica receives too much criticism. Even though she only had a little bit more than 30 seconds left by the time James was removed, she moved at more than a casual pace through the temple. She was not the only contestant to ever recomplete an objective previously performed by their partner, so using up 2 seconds to spin the sundial again should not be held against her. As far as retracing back to the Observatory goes, I think she truly believed there was a chance that the Heart Room had opened from the Observatory, so she went back to check. When she tried to go down but saw it was locked, and you can see the slight disappointment on her face. She then started back for the Treasure Room, but unfortunately time expired. Overall, I don't think Jessica's performance in the temple was atrocious, and I don't see why she receives so much criticism. If anything, I would say that James' decision to bypass the Shrine-Ancient Kings and his hesitancy throughout the bottom floor of the temple was slightly more costly to their run.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon)
Post by: NekoSuave on May 29, 2013, 04:54:09 PM
I think she does get too much criticism, for the same reasons the others said above.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 5: Jessica (Ponce De Leon)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 03, 2013, 11:01:58 PM
It's been a while since I last touched this topic. This poll was over a long time ago. This might not be a popular outcome by some, but it has been decided that Jessica does get too much criticism. I'll admit, even I'm a little surprised by this result. :o

Give me a few minutes and I'll have everything up in time for the next poll. Up next will be Tony from The Stone Head of the Evil King.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 6: Tony (Stone Head...Evil King)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 03, 2013, 11:11:50 PM
Poll is up and first post updated.

My vote goes for no. While Medusa's Lair with four snakes is brutal, it should not take that long to complete the objective. Whitney from Lost Love Letter may have been slow, but she handled that objective with ease. I just can't see why it took Tony that long to finish Medusa's Lair. At most, it should take 30 seconds, NOT half the run. Then came the King's Storeroom. I know Tony had no prayer in the world of getting to the Swamp after Medusa's Lair, but if you're going to express your anger at Nickelodeon Studios, do it AFTER the run. Don't do it in the temple and that's exactly what Tony did in the Storeroom. The way he smashed those pots should give most viewers a good idea of Tony's competence. :roll:

So I say the criticism Tony gets is well deserved.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 6: Tony (Stone Head...Evil King)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 03, 2013, 11:17:24 PM
I voted no for Tony on account that his overall performance was lackluster and unforgivable. I will admit that four snakes Medusa's Lair was absolutely brutal (they even had to dumb down on the objective), but you should never spend 1/3 of your run on a room objective. You could tell Tony was getting frustrated with that room and he wasn't taking his time at all. If he slowed down a little bit instead of just jabbing the snakes into her head, he might've completed it faster. Even Whitney from "Captain John Smith" never spent as much time as Tony. And then when he finishes with Medusa's Lair, he goes into the King's Storeroom and smashes the pots like a moron. The key could've gone flying with the way he punched them. It was a pathetic attempt, and the team only made it through 5 rooms in 3 minutes. And 1/3 of that time was in one room. He deserved it.

I am surprised Jessica got different results than Rinette too. Both girls were in the same boat, but at least Rinette didn't go backtrack to the Observatory.  :?
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 6: Tony (Stone Head...Evil King)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 03, 2013, 11:27:55 PM
Yeah, I don't know how they got different results either. They both sucked even with what little time they had left.

As for Tony, I also vote no. It should never take you more than 30 seconds completing an objective.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 6: Tony (Stone Head...Evil King)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 04, 2013, 01:34:03 AM
Here are a few more contestants that I think would be interesting for you to cover too somewhere down the road. I don't expect you to cover them right away or even at all, but they would probably have interesting results. ;)

Eusinia (Cobra Staff)
Janeen (Empress Eugenie)
Josh (Mummified Hand)
Joel (Enormous Iron Nose Ring)
Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 6: Tony (Stone Head...Evil King)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 07, 2013, 07:49:43 PM
Voting is finished (long finished, sorry :P) and the vote is unanimous. The criticism Tony gets is deserved.

Let me set everything up and then we'll be voting for: Bobby, The Mask of Shaka Zulu.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 07, 2013, 07:59:30 PM
Don't worry, I won't be covering every player. At most, I might do 20-30. Plus, I just realized that Tony's the first one to get a unanimous vote. You earned it man. ;) :P

As for Bobby, I must say that this is a tough one. More often than not, I see people criticizing Bobby because of the easy layout. Sure, he might not have had a lot of rooms to complete, but that wasn't his fault. Blame that on the production crew for letting this quick and easy win happen. Bobby couldn't control that. He may have hit the actuator many times, but can you blame him? If you were one room away from the object, you'd probably be doing the same thing too. I thought Bobby moved at a good pace and seemed to have a good idea of what to do. It was an easy win, yes. However, he still earned it without making any mistakes.

Therefore, my vote is yes. Bobby, I feel that you get too much criticism for your performance. That door opening was not your fault (IMO at least).
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on June 07, 2013, 08:01:57 PM
Bobby did nothing wrong during his run. He got in, got the artifact, and got out. While he may not have been as successful if the door leading directly to the Tomb of Ancient Kings stayed closed, I don't think it should be held against him since he got the job done.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 07, 2013, 08:18:39 PM
I guess I'm gonna say no here. Let me explain: I'm not saying it's anyones fault the players got what they got. I'm not saying players are allowed to ask the producers to rig everything. But just because you get a free win because of a production error, doesn't mean I'm gonna give Bobby special treatment and call it "the best temple run ever." Even with the faulty door aside, it was still a lame, undeserved win. How people can say Bobby is a better player than Jennifer from John Sutter is beyond me. Nope, he deserves it. Never liked this run.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
I voted no also for Bobby, for the same reasons PPF mentioned. Bobby really wasn't that great of a contestant at all. I know the bottom floor of that temple layout was not easy, but he did not complete it in good time at all. It took David 25 seconds to get from the middle of the Holes of Python to the temple gates. And it took Bobby what, 45 seconds to reach the temple gates? Let's be honest, if he was forced to take the long route in the temple, he probably wouldn't even have won. He was one of the worst temple victors on the show and the win was very lame and undeserving indeed. And it makes me wonder if the Tomb-Holes of Python door was even a production error? I wonder if Bobby actually forced his way into the Tomb of the Ancient Kings with his hands because it sounds like the golden door was forced open. It was obvious that the door was meant to be locked either way. That's what the Red Jaguars need, another cheater. :roll:
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 08, 2013, 01:00:10 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby forced the door open. That door was meant to be locked, and if he had to take another route (ala Stone Marker, Paintbrush), they wouldn't have won. I mean, look at how the Treasure Chest is open during the temple rundown. That was the route they were supposed to take. At least Jennifer from John Sutter earned her win, this was just dumb luck.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 08, 2013, 01:04:50 AM
Right now, I'm shocked by these current results. :|
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 08, 2013, 01:06:25 AM
I'm not shocked at all. I knew they were gonna be split, because some people just don't like this run.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2013, 01:11:06 AM
The only temple winner that I think gets too much criticism was Paula. Just because almost everyone seems to give her a hard time compared to other temple victors. I still find her win garbage and her performance overrated, but at least I can respect her a little more than some other victors. When it comes to Bobby though, I really hate this win. If he really forced the Tomb door open then, he is definitely the most undeserving temple victor. The  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  win was pretty lame too, but their layout was fair though. And if they were forced to take the Treasure Chest like mentioned above, I don't see this team winning unless Brittany moved like Leah/Jennifer from Map to the Lost Gold Mine.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 08, 2013, 01:21:15 AM
At least everyone is convinced Paula's run was just a fluke. But Bobby only won because of the production error. Whether it's beyond his control or not, just because you're fast and get a lucky break, doesn't make you a great player. YouTube is especially the worst for it, calling Shaka Zulu "the best temple run ever" with the reasoning "he got lucky with the production error and won in the quickest time ever."
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: The Bandit King on June 09, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
It's not Bobby's fault for the production error that made this win so cheap. I voted 'yes', but that doesn't mean he was a good player. He was just average.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2013, 12:14:49 AM
Voting for Bobby is over. This time, it's a 3-3 draw.

Next up: Ashlie, The Bonnet of Dolley Madison.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 11, 2013, 12:23:13 AM
Ashlie gets a "Yes" from me. Out of all the players we covered so far, she was only the real good player in the temple. She moved very fast after Shem was taken out and even avoided a detour into the Room of the Mandarin Hand. She was a little clumsy though in the temple, but her speed made up for it. Her big mistake though was in the Dark Forest where she just couldn't seem to find a place to place that key at. She wandered around there for almost a minute and even plowed through the wall. I am not sure why she got so confused, but eventually she reached the Bonnet. While her mistake was costly, her performance prior to the Dark Forest was actually excellent and it's not like she was an unreliable player. She would've probably done much better as a frontrunner. And her partner was equally responsible for taking the direct path when they could've had a solo win.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2013, 12:23:44 AM
This one's very tough. Ashlie moved fast, but was clueless in the Dark Forest of all places and got confused in the Jesters' Court after grabbing the Bonnet. I really don't know which way to go with Ashlie. She traced Matt's steps very well and got the Bonnet, but at the same time she had it won but blew it.

Because she did blow it at the end, I'm gonna say no. However, it can go both ways. This was tough. :|
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 7: Bobby (Shaka Zulu)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Ashlie gets a "Yes" from me. Out of all the players we covered so far, she was only the real good player in the temple. She moved very fast after Shem was taken out and even avoided a detour into the Room of the Mandarin Hand. She was a little clumsy though in the temple, but her speed made up for it. Her big mistake though was in the Dark Forest where she just couldn't seem to find a place to place that key at. She wandered around there for almost a minute and even plowed through the wall. I am not sure why she got so confused, but eventually she reached the Bonnet. While her mistake was costly, her performance prior to the Dark Forest was actually excellent and it's not like she was an unreliable player. She would've probably done much better as a frontrunner. And her partner was equally responsible for taking the direct path when they could've had a solo win.

It's Matt. ;)

Again, the Dark Forest mistake and slight clumsiness in other rooms led me to say no. It was tough. I wanted to say yes, but I just feel Ashlie was more responsible for this run being a loss.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 11, 2013, 12:34:43 AM
I vote yes. Yes Ashlie screwed up big time in the Dark Forest, but that was her only mistake. Other than that, she moved very fast and had no other problems, besides of course tripping up the stairs. I think she gets too much criticism. Plus, Tess from Dried Ear of Corn made the same mistake, yet everyone praises her. But Ashlie gets criticized? This was a very easy decision for me.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Looking back at it now, I think I might change my vote to yes. I mean, Ashlie wasn't the only one who wasted a lot of time in the Dark Forest. Claude and Tess come to mind right away.

Edit: Okay, I do want to change my vote. However, it won't let me. There's no option to remove vote.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 11, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
Change vote enabled.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Change vote enabled.

Thanks. My vote has been changed.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 11, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Looking back at it now, I think I might change my vote to yes. I mean, Ashlie wasn't the only one who wasted a lot of time in the Dark Forest. Claude and Tess come to mind right away.

Edit: Okay, I do want to change my vote. However, it won't let me. There's no option to remove vote.

Even if she did waste a lot of time in the Dark Forest, Ashlie was very fast before entering that room. So all that time she saved with her swift speed and avoiding the Room of the Mandarin Hand, it actually helped her out after wasting all that time in the Dark Forest. In Tess and Claude's case, they were slow and didn't have much time to use by the time they entered the Dark Forest because they were slow before they entered the Dark Forest.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 8: Ashlie (Dolley Madison)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 17, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
Voting is long done for Ashlie and it's unanimous. She gets too much criticism.

The next two contestants I have planned were on the same team from the same episode. Once you see the first player, you'll know who the other player will be. More info in the next post. ;)
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 17, 2013, 10:58:26 PM
New poll is up and the next player is Nick from the Madame Tussaud run. With this, you now know who will be after Nick. ;)

This might surprise a lot of people, but I voted yes for Nick getting too much criticism. I had to think hard about this one. In the end, I say he does get too much flack for his performance. Think about it. Nick got into the King's Storeroom with a little more time remaining than Lauren from the Sacagawea run when she got up there. No one ever talks about her performance, but Nick got up there quicker than her. Nick also had to deal with some of the hardest rooms in the temple and he completed them all. Plus, he had to deal with a loud mouth partner. I get it, he wasn't the fastest or the smartest. However, I don't think he's the worst player. There are far worse players than Nick.

For the reasons I mentioned, I feel that everyone's too hard on Nick. Now watch as I'll be the only one to say yes. :P
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 17, 2013, 11:07:53 PM
Wait, Nick gets too much flak for his performance? He was the entire reason they lost. With that said, I voted no. He deserves all the criticism he gets. While going up the central shaft in no easy feat, it should NOT take 2:20 just to do it. Nobody talks about Lauren because well.... she wasn't as slow or as clueless as he was. Nick had no idea what he was doing at all. He pulled on the same Tomb vines a million times, took forever finding all the marker pieces, hesitated in smashing the pots, and stalled being captured in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Jennifer was right to be hard on him, my head would be exploding too if my partner was being a slowpoke in the temple. Even Kirk said "You can't dwaddle around in the temple." Jennifer was a way better player than Nick was, and at least she didn't walk through every room. What a coincidence, I just reviewed this episode and it got a great score. So I think I know why you chose this episode. Nick was a horrible player, and I will not provide any sympathy for him.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 17, 2013, 11:25:23 PM
It's hard to feel sorry for Nicholas when he takes his sweet old time in the temple. The central shaft was tough in S3, but plenty of contestants handled it fine like Jessica and Lacey and Asher. He kept wasting his time pulling on vines in the Headless Kings and what armor to place himself into in the Ancient Warriors. Plus, he moved slow anyways. You wonder why Jennifer was yelling at him. As I mentioned in the other topic, Jennifer and Jay were the only contestants justified to shout at their partners. He was a bad player with nothing redeemable about him at all.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: NekoSuave on June 18, 2013, 02:10:34 AM
Nick gets no sympathy from me. I mean, it took him too long to get through the central shaft. A part of me kind of wishes the Temple Guard in the Room of the Ancient Warriors was put in the Observatory instead. He was that bad. Kirk said it best, "You can't dawdle around in the Temple!"
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 19, 2013, 11:37:08 PM
I watched the run again and now I really want to change my vote for the second time in a row. You guys are right. Nick really did act stupid and slow at times.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 19, 2013, 11:57:20 PM
Well, the vote changing has been enabled if you want to change your vote.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 03, 2013, 09:56:51 PM
Well, I did change my vote and I'm sticking with that change. The vote is unanimous, but I must say this. I've really lost interest in continuing to do this. I just can't keep up with it every day, as evidenced by the huge gap since the last poll. Would anyone like to take control of this topic and put in new players for these polls? If not, then we can stop right here. It won't hurt me any and if we discontinue this, then I'd like to thank everyone for voting in this interesting topic.

If we do continue, then next up would be Nick's partner, Jennifer. I'll update the tally for Nick now. Anybody want to continue this topic?
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on July 03, 2013, 09:59:15 PM
I prefer not to honestly. I know I made it no secret I never cared for this topic, but my reasoning (now at least) is that nobody is really voting or participating in this discussion. It's up to you really, but if you don't want to do it, then maybe we should stop.
Title: Re: Do they get too much undeserved criticism? Day 9: Nick (Madame Tussaud)
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 03, 2013, 10:01:53 PM
Yeah, this topic got tiring for me, even after 9 polls. It might be best to stop, even though there are still some players I'd like to give a poll for. Does anyone else think this should be continued?