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The Heart Room / Re: The Unused Door
« on: June 01, 2015, 04:55:55 PM »


It was actually possible that the Room of the Golden Idols could open downwards to the Spider's Lair during a temple run. If you watch "Trojan Horseshoe", you can see a temple guard in the Spider's Lair when Shawn leaves the temple. Since the Throne Room was locked for Lucretia, the only way they would be able to enter into that room was from the Golden Idols. I agree that the webbing was too thin though to use these as a passageway. Look at how much Billy from Lost Hammer had climb it. Too bad the other rooms never used these passages.

Hmmm, interesting. Yes, there is a guard in the Spider's Lair during the Horseshoe run. 100%. Your probably right, I mean, the only other way they could have gotten into the Spider's Lair would be if she went down from the Heart Room into the Throne, and then into the lair. I still think that your right though, unless it was one of those guards that was only meant to be there if the runner made a clueless mistake, like the Temple Guard in the King's Storeroom during the Bifocal Monocle run, I bet he thought he had the day off!

The only reason I believe it would be hard for them to open that door down into the Spider's Lair was the thinness of the web and the lack of a horizontal web to climb down. (Picture of the lair attached.)

On a sperate note, Kirk's post-run reaction was horrible in the Trojan Horseshoe run, despite them winning, and even worse in the "Pendant" run following that. Plus the horrible commentary on the "Keys" run. Overall a very weak production day for Kirk....

The Heart Room / Re: The Unused Door
« on: May 31, 2015, 05:58:19 PM »
No, you're right about the other ladder doors being open during the "Dolley Madison" run. ;) I watched the run again and you can see it during the credits. Makes me wonder if they opened during the regular runs and not only when the contestant grabbed the artifact? For example, if the other ladder doors opened for Steven during the "Silk Sash" run?

It's pretty unfortunate the temple didn't use these ladders more though. In Season 1, the only time this passage was used was when Mitchell opened the Treasure Chest during the "Geronimo" run. Also, the doors from the Swamp were suppose to open during the "Dead Man's Hand" run.

Interesting. I would say yes, they did open for Steven, only because if you look at the right of the Jester's Court after the lights turn off, you can see a tint of natural light reflecting up from the King's Storeroom.

The problem with all of those passages in general is that it could only be used in certain layouts. For example, in Season 1, they would never have opened any passage leading down from the Golden Idols during the Spider's Lair layout, primarily because the webbing is so thin, that the producers wouldn't want a kid falling a whole floor, no matter how many packing peanuts you put in the lair. The Bamboo Forest wouldn't be dangerous per se, but it would be tricky as the Bamboo faces in the wrong direction. The Swamp & Python were perfect, only they were rarely (or never for the Python) used.

The Jester's Court fit the bill perfectly for all three doors in Season 2, but then, when the Ancient Warriors came in, they just eliminated all of those doors. (They didn't make many other changes to the Room Of the Ancient Warriors though, the Green temple guard door can be seen in select episodes, like in the Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta (when the Temple guard rotates around, you can see the old Temple Guard green door). I feel like they should have demolished the old room and push the Ancient Warriors back, so that the stairs could stay, it was sort of un-fair, like in the Bifocal Monocle run. It was almost like they were expecting to change the room back to a full sized room, so they kept the back, weird..

On a side note: Now that you bring up the Treasure Room, I'm pretty sure that the objective was not to find an actuator inside the chest, as Kirk kept on telling the kids to do. I believe that the act of opening the chest is the actuator, only because you can hear a cue once Mitchell opens it in the Geronimo run, and slightly in the Golden Cup of Belshazzar episode (it's very hard to hear due to the Temple Guard capture cue).

The Heart Room / Re: The Unused Door
« on: May 31, 2015, 12:06:46 AM »
As much hate Lisa gets for her stupidity, she did try the door to the Shrine:

For some reason though, the door didn't seem to open. We didn't even hear any sound effects either when she tried the keypad. Which is why she got confused. If the Shrine door opened, I am sure she would've grabbed the Keys with plenty of time left and maybe pulled off a victory. But instead of trying other doors like the Observatory or Golden Idols, she ran around the temple aimlessly and moved so slow. But in her defense, she did try to go up. I think that the temple guard that captured Steve somehow messed up the door mechanism in the room. Which is why we see all the doors open. Either way, it is still a lost cause run. :oops:

And it is possible that there was another ladder in the other cabinet. But I always assumed that there was only one because at no point did it ever look like there was another passage. You don't even see a keypad in the back part of the room either. But then again, the temple had some useless doors and buttons that were hardly used. But did the other Jester's Court doors open for Ashlie during the Dolley Madison run? I remember her trying to climb up one of the ladders but gave up because Kirk kept yelling at her to move forward. It doesn't really show if it opened or not. But then again, those ladders were rarely used in Season 1 and only used at the end of Season 2.

Yeah. Your right, Lisa did try to open it up, but maybe she was confused as to why all the doors were open. I agree with you that the Temple Guard coming out triggered some sort of "unlock all" initiative. I guess we will never know if there was a ladder, as the only way of knowing would be to see if the right cabinet was open in the Shrine.

Also, Ed, from the King's Storeroom said on his Dolly Maddison review that the  Jesters Court door was in-fact open, thats why I added that in...

Good to think about, though

The Heart Room / Re: The Unused Door
« on: May 30, 2015, 10:52:53 AM »
I actually don't think there were two doors from the Shrine leading to the Dark Forest area. There were two cabinets in the room, but I think the one on the left was the one that acted as a passageway. The other cabinet in the room is most likely empty and not an actual route. ;) You can sort of see a contestant open the other cabinet door in "Henry VIII's Great Seal" and it looks empty inside. But if there was another ladder there, it would seem completely pointless. It is like how there are three ladders in the Swamp and Jesters Court but only the middle one worked when they were active.

As for the "Alhambra" run, Lisa probably encountered a production error in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings. When Steve entered the room, the doors were all shut. But when Lisa entered the room, all of the doors were already open! As horrible of a player she was, she actually did try the key to the Shrine. For some reason though the door did not open even though it seems like the team was suppose to go up. I guess when the temple guard captured Steve it somehow messed up the door mechanism? But with 2:30+ minutes to herself, it's inexcusable for Lisa to not try a different route.

I don't even think she needed to use the key. I believe some error happened after the frontrunner was taken out, opening all of the doors. I watched the Great Seal episode, and while, yes it does look dark, so does the "Active" cabinet. It's something we will never know, as Lisa never went up (like anyone else would.)

Also, weren't the side Jester's Court doors heading up to the King's Storeroom active? We see the girl in "The Bonnet of Dolly Madison" climb up the right one during the last seconds of her run, and then we see it open during the credits.

Either way, we will never know if that right Shrine cabinet was a "real" passage, all thanks to good old Lisa, the "Cool Customer". 

The Heart Room / The Unused Door
« on: May 28, 2015, 07:22:16 PM »

I was re-watching a lot of LOTHT episodes the other day, and was truly stumped as to why the right door leading from the Shrine to the Forest/Golden Doors never opened (well, except once, by mistake...).

It wasn't un-common for there to be multiple passageways to get from one room to the other. The Ledges and the Pit had two, the Swamp to the Golden Doors had two, and the Swamp up to the Green Door/Treasure Room had three ( we see those side doors open in a few episodes, and while I can't remember which episodes specifically, it told us that those doors were "active").

The only door that never opened in 119 episodes was that right Shrine/Golden Doors passage. Here is what we know:

1) There are three doors from the Golden Doors that, by just looking at an image, appear to go up. The one on the left was the one that would connect that space with the Shrine, the Center door lead to the back of the temple, and was used to hold temple guards in Season 1, and the right door, was, well, a passage that as we all know was never used.

2) That passage was originally intended to be used, as you can see it from the Shine, but it never opens after the artifact is acquired.

However upon review of the episodes, there was one early Season 1 production error in which that door does open, it was during The Keys to the Alhambra and while there isn't clear and convincing evidence, I'm about 90% it opened. Here is why. If you re-watch that episode, you will see that the moment the Temple Guard jumps out, all of the doors (with the exception of the rock wall) instantly open. Also notice how those fake doors that lead in the direction of the Swamp don't open, while the right Shrine door does. This proves that our "Unused Door" was a real passageway. My thought is that the moment the Temple Guard jumps out, a production error unlocks all the doors in that room. So when Lisa, the trail runner, attempts to put in the key for the ALREADY UNLOCKED doors, no sound effect plays, as if this step had already been done. If Lisa had been a smart runner, she would have at least made it up to the Shrine using the passageway you are supposed to use, and then we would have closure, as we would be able to see if the Shine door opened. But I'm almost positive they were both open by mistake. Of course the credits avoided the Shrine one this episode, would have provided us with the answer! Now we will never know...

Anyway, do you think this door opened during that episode, and, why was that passageway never used? I'm intrigued to hear your thoughts!

The Heart Room / Re: Temple Room Rankings Thread
« on: May 14, 2015, 03:48:49 PM »
This was a great idea. I was really excited to see the room reviews. It's too bad to see that there hasn't been a room review in a while now, will there be? Would hate to see this die. I could write a review if no one is able to do one, I'm a professional baseball blogger, so I've written a review or two...

Anyway, great Forum.

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