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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #120 on: September 02, 2012, 11:25:23 PM »
On a separate note regarding half pendants, I have a suggestion for the whereabouts of the one for Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra. I believe it is on the actuator from the Room of the Fallen Columns to the Treasure Room.

Evidence (or lack thereof): It is not out-rightly visible during the temple overview; it cannot be seen on the actuator from the Wheel Room to the Throne Room, it is not on the throne or its ladder, nor is it on either actuator from the Holes of Python to the Tomb of Ancient Kings. It is also clearly not visible on the actuator from the Troubled Bridge to the Observatory. Also, notice that there is no hesitation in hitting the actuator from the Treasure Room to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, as there was in The Trojan Horseshoe. The treasure box in the back of the Shrine (that was used for The Treasure of Anne Bonny) was not there in the episode, so it could not have been placed there, nor was the half pendant in the base of the shrine because there wasn't any interference with assembling the monkey.

On the contrary, we cannot physically see the actuator in the Room of the Fallen Columns at any point, nor does the second runner look directly at that actuator during her portion of the run (a column appears to have fallen directly on top of the actuator and prevented it from being in her view). It is quite possible that the frontrunner did not signal back to his partner that the half pendant was there when he hit the actuator (we have, after all, seen that happen a number of times).

This location of the half pendant makes sense if you consider where the third temple guard most likely was... either the Cave of Sighs, the Throne Room, or a dead end Holes of Python (like in so many other swamp/spider's lair episodes). If the team had chosen to enter via the lower route, it is inevitable that the frontrunner would have run into that other temple guard first, then would have been forced up from the Throne Room to the Room of the Fallen Columns. Then he would have been taken out of temple by the Heart Room temple guard. The second runner would have been forced to follow that path, and would've had to have ended up going from the Fallen Columns to the Golden Idols, where the third guard was located. Since she would have been the one hitting that actuator, she (hopefully) would have seen the half pendant and grabbed it before entering the Treasure Room. Plus, that would have put the pendant in the room directly prior to the third guard, which is a running trend seen in Season 1.

I hope that this is a convincing hypothesis regarding why the half pendant for the Snake Bracelet episode would have been in the Room of the Fallen Columns.

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #121 on: September 02, 2012, 11:55:06 PM »
For "The Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra", the last temple guard was indeed in the Cave of Sighs. We have a thread talking about the temple guard placement in each temple run, and one of our users discovered that the last temple guard was in the Cave. Here is the topic:


http://phantomstemple.us.to/index.php?topic=2202.0

Here is the image that proves (from The Headless Kings) that proves that the last temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs:



So going by your theory, I think the half-pendant was indeed in the Room of Fallen Columns. It makes sense after all. The Cave of Sighs was most likely either a deadend in this temple run, or had a temple route similar to "The Treasure of Anne Bonny" where the team would've been forced up from the Throne Room. In this case, that means the last temple guard would've been in the Treasury of the Golden Orbs.

Following the theme of the other season one temple runs, the last half-pendant is usually in the room before the last temple guard. So Robert or Tracy would've encountered their last guard in the Golden Orbs. So it makes sense that the half-pendant would've been in the Fallen Columns because it was the last room before the final temple guard. And I agree that the half-pendant was most likely on the actuator in that temple run.  ;)

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #122 on: September 03, 2012, 12:32:30 AM »
I have two separate ideas for the location of the half pendant in "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan". My first hypothesis uses photo evidence, courtesy the videos from ChargerTheWolf on youtube.com:








If you consider the size, color, and shape of the photographic evidence from earlier in this thread for the half pendant being in the dungeon for Henry VIII’s Great Seal, they appear similar. In addition, they were two of the four episodes of layout S1L4, meaning they were shot in the same day. So the producers may have thought to put the half pendant on the floor both times [Corollary: If this is the case, then that means that the half pendants for Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart and Moccasins of Geronimo (the two other episodes of the day, each also teams winning 1.5 pendants) very well could have been on the floor as well].

My second hypothesis is that the half pendant is located in the treasure chest (later used for Anne Bonny) in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. That would put the pendant one room away from the final temple guard (a very common scenario in Season 1), and it was not in the base of the shrine, since she had no interference assembling the monkey. Did anybody have those same thoughts? Do either seem plausible?
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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #123 on: September 03, 2012, 12:44:24 AM »
Interesting find, there is some sort of object on the ground in that temple run. I am not sure if it is really a half-pendant though. I would have to watch the temple run again myself to see it better. The one unusual thing about the half-pendant location is that its not located one room away like most of the season one half-pendants were. Assuming that was a deadend, that would've required Jessica to enter the deadend in order to just pick up the half-pendant. It is a good guess though and I will check it out. But I think the half-pendant was on a top floor room, like the Room of the Golden Idols or Shrine of the Silver Monkey.

But I just want to point out that I don't think that there was ever a half-pendant in the "Anne Bonny" treasure chest when it was in the Shrine. I know on one site that it said that Jammin John found the half-pendant in said treasure chest, but I don't really think he did. That would've been a very cruel place to put and expecting a contestant to look into a random prop for a half-pendant would've been way too harsh. I think the only reason John looked in it because he got confused on the room objective. Which is understandable, since it was basically the first temple run ever made. ;)

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« Reply #124 on: September 03, 2012, 01:19:48 AM »
I just did a frame-by-frame scan on the Room of the Harmonic Convergence for the Magellan episode, and it seems that the frontrunner never tried the "camera right/behind ladder" symbol combination that straddle where the potential half-pendant location is. It seems that he may have walked over them with 2:28/2:29 left on the temple run clock (before trying the door to the Swamp), but he did not apply the same stomping force as he did to the other symbol combinations. So based on that, the room may not have actually been a dead-end; it is possible that the door to the Heart Room simply did not get triggered. Notice that right after the frontrunner passes over that last symbol combination, Kirk says, "There he goes, he's got it." It seems fishy that Kirk would have said that if the room was meant to be a dead end... although that could just be another Fogg-Up...

Luckily, either way, the door from the Wall Climb to the Heart Room was unlocked, allowing this run to continue without too much chaos (unlike, let's say, the door mishap in War Fan of the 47 Ronin).

If this scenario is truly the case, then the frontrunner could have gone directly from the Harmonic Convergence to the Heart Room, getting taken out in the Heart Room. The second runner could then have followed that direct path from the Harmonic Convergence to the Heart Room and further (by following the path, she would have had to have entered the Harmonic Convergence, with the half pendant, and would have needed it later on). However, if the frontrunner had originally avoided the Harmonic Convergence, and instead gone straight to the Heart Room (which we know was unlocked from the Wall Climb), then he would have lost his pendant to the Heart Room temple guard and then would have been taken out by the Pirate's Cove temple guard. In following that path, the second runner would not have needed to enter the Harmonic Convergence, which would have then contained both the third temple guard and half pendant.

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #125 on: September 03, 2012, 01:23:16 AM »
But I just want to point out that I don't think that there was ever a half-pendant in the "Anne Bonny" treasure chest when it was in the Shrine. I know on one site that it said that Jammin John found the half-pendant in said treasure chest, but I don't really think he did. That would've been a very cruel place to put and expecting a contestant to look into a random prop for a half-pendant would've been way too harsh. I think the only reason John looked in it because he got confused on the room objective. Which is understandable, since it was basically the first temple run ever made. ;)

Well, it was mentioned that the Season 1 half pendant locations did seem a bit peculiar and obscure. Even if the half pendant wasn't located in the Anne Bonny treasure chest during Jammin' Jon's run, would that mean that it was impossible for the half pendant to be there in another run? I don't think so. Especially since it has happened that way in other episodes: the half pendant was in the Tomb of the Headless Kings during the Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack, but it was never placed there again.

If we are going on the hunch that the half pendant was in the Shrine since that was the room prior to the final temple guard, I don't see where else the half pendant could have been placed. Since all of the camera angles fail to zoom in toward the back of the room well, it is hard to simply put up a picture and circle the pendant. However, we need to use deductive reasoning: It is not out-rightly visible anywhere else in the room, and we know that it was not in the base, since Jessica had no interference assembling the monkey.  In addition, there is the fact that Jessica never looked down at the counter with the treasure chest when she went to grab the head of the monkey; therefore, it very easily could have been in there, with the producers' intent that she would look down when she was grabbing the piece of the monkey and grab it. All of this together makes me feel that if the half pendant were to be placed somewhere in that room, the treasure chest would have been the most likely place where it would have been.
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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #126 on: September 05, 2012, 01:11:52 AM »
I just think its too much to expect of a season one contestant to look into some random room decoration for an element of a game that could make a difference between them winning or losing. Season one did have unusual and borderline impossible half-pendant locations, but I don't see them going that far with them hiding it in the "Anne Bonny" treasure chest, which was just a decoration at the time. And yeah, the half-pendant was only located in Tomb of the Headless Kings once in season three. But then again, the season three producers were more creative than the season one producers. I am not even sure if the season three producers were the entirely same ones from season one. ;)

But back to "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan". I am sure the half-pendant was located somewhere in the Shrine. I mean it had to be there or the Treasure Room. My guess was that the half-pendant might've been on the upper shelfing or on one of the cabinets in the back of the room.

It makes me wonder also if the half-pendant for "The Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart" was in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings too since Kristen encountered her last guard in the Swamp.

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #127 on: September 05, 2012, 05:58:02 AM »
All I have to say is damn, PP4L has some good eyes and sense of logic.


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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #128 on: September 05, 2012, 02:18:53 PM »
r.e. Lost Logbooks, I think that's the half pendant. It definitely looks to be the right shape in the second screenshot.

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« Reply #129 on: September 05, 2012, 03:36:17 PM »
Interesting, on a closer look at the temple run for "Magellan", the piece that PP4L circled does look a little peculiar. At first I thought it was just some debris from the Pit of Despair, but that circled piece looks bigger than the stuff from the Pit. It makes me wonder if the Room of Harmonic Convergence was a really a deadend in that run. I mean if that is the half-pendant, it would've been kind of harsh to expect the second runner to go in there and find a half-pendant. I mean Jessica doesn't even notice it when she goes into that room. But then again, season one had some really weird half-pendant locations.

And at the end of the temple run, Kirk also points into the direction for the Room of Harmonic Convergence. Who knows though, season one and their bad camera angles.  :roll:

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #130 on: September 05, 2012, 03:53:31 PM »
It reminds me of another temple run that had that same piece sitting in the Room of the Harmonic Convergence? Was it "The Treasure Map of Jean Lafitte"? I have a class soon and can't check until later, but I remember seeing a similar piece sitting on the ground in another temple run.

What about "The Silver Saddle Horn of Hannibal"? The temple guards in that run were in the Treasure Room and Holes of Python. Another interesting note is that the Observatory door leading to the Room of the Royal Gongs opened when Vicky spun the sundial. So its possible that the last temple guard was in the Royal Gongs? So that might mean the half-pendant was in one of the rooms before the Holes of Python.

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #131 on: September 05, 2012, 06:39:12 PM »
Interesting, on a closer look at the temple run for "Magellan", the piece that PP4L circled does look a little peculiar. At first I thought it was just some debris from the Pit of Despair, but that circled piece looks bigger than the stuff from the Pit. It makes me wonder if the Room of Harmonic Convergence was a really a deadend in that run. I mean if that is the half-pendant, it would've been kind of harsh to expect the second runner to go in there and find a half-pendant. I mean Jessica doesn't even notice it when she goes into that room. But then again, season one had some really weird half-pendant locations.

And at the end of the temple run, Kirk also points into the direction for the Room of Harmonic Convergence. Who knows though, season one and their bad camera angles.  :roll:

I truly believe that the Harmonic Convergence was not a dead end in the Logbooks episode. "Legends" saw its fair share of mishaps with doors not firing and contestants failing to complete room objectives to unlock the doors. In addition, when the frontrunner walked over the last symbol combination, he certainly did not use the same stomping force as with the other combinations. Plus, the object-in-question was positioned between the two symbols in that final combination; that does not seem like a coincidence. And generally speaking, the correct symbol combination in the Harmonic Convergence was almost always one that included one of the symbols in the back of the room. Given all of these facts, it just seems too perfect for the room to have been a dead end.

You must also consider the fact that if it was not a dead end, then the second runner would have followed the path from the Pit to the Harmonic Convergence to the Heart Room, thereby "being forced" to enter the Room of Harmonic Convergence and the half pendant ("being forced" in the sense of following the frontrunner's path, seeing as how the Pit/Heart Room access would not have needed to be activated during the frontrunner's progress). On the contrary, if the frontrunner had never entered the Harmonic Convergence, and instead immediately went from the Pit to the Heart Room, then it would make sense for the second runner to follow that path, rather than try the actuator from the Pit to the Room of Harmonic Convergence and deviate from the frontrunner's path.

We obviously know that, if the object-in-question was really the half pendant, then the second runner passed it up. But just because the half pendant was "right there in plain sight" does not mean that the contestant would have necessarily seen it and picked it up. Going back to the "Henry VIII's Great Seal" episode, if the half pendant was really located on the floor in the Dungeon, then that means that Nick went right passed it, even though it was also "right there in plain sight".

And lastly, I would like to point out that even if most of the Season 1 half pendants were located one room from the final temple guard, there could still be outliers. Case and point: Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat... the half pendant was in the Throne Room, which I'm taking as meaning that the lower route (Cave of Sighs, Wheel Room, Throne Room to Heart Room) would have been open as well. If this were the case, then it would make sense for the first temple guard to be in the Throne Room (during the credits, we can see that there isn't a guard in the Cave of Sighs, there was rarely ever a guard in the Tomb of Ancient Kings, and I doubt that there was a guard in the Holes of Python because the contestant would have had to run over the guard upon exiting the temple); we know that the other two were in the Heart Room and Treasure Room. But with the half pendant being in the Throne Room, the half pendant COULD NOT have been one room away from the final temple guard because the final guard could not have been the one in the Heart Room. So, as nice as that "It's one room away from the final temple guard" trend seems, we automatically know that it does not hold true for every Season One episode.
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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #132 on: September 06, 2012, 10:47:29 PM »
It reminds me of another temple run that had that same piece sitting in the Room of the Harmonic Convergence? Was it "The Treasure Map of Jean Lafitte"? I have a class soon and can't check until later, but I remember seeing a similar piece sitting on the ground in another temple run.

I was intrigued about your inquiry, so I took it upon myself to investigate "The Treasure Map of Jean Lafitte." And indeed, I came across a very interesting find (photo courtesy video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf):



(Sorry for the blurry photo... the camera was doing a panoramic shot of the room, and this is one of the only times that the floor is seen from this angle; if you want, you can look on the video yourself and see that there is most undoubtedly an object on the floor there at 2:03 on the temple run clock.)

An object can be seen in the Harmonic Convergence, and it's very similar to those captured in my previous photos for "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan." What is interesting to note here, is that the room preceding the Harmonic Convergence this time is the Wheel Room, not the Wall Climb... so there wasn't any debris from the Wall Climb spilling out into the Harmonic Convergence this time (which eliminates that as an explanation for the object being there). Also, similarly to "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan," entering The Room of Harmonic Convergence was avoidable, as proven by the second runner's ability to proceed from the Troubled Bridge to the Observatory to the Heart Room and beyond. Just as in the other episode, if the frontrunner had taken this path to begin with, then the second runner would not have needed to enter the Harmonic Convergence, nor would the frontrunner have encountered the temple in that room. Thus, the half pendant there would not have been needed in order to progress because the second runner (hopefully) would have followed the frontrunner's path and avoided The Room of Harmonic Convergence entirely.

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #133 on: September 06, 2012, 10:49:07 PM »
I always thought that the Room of Harmonic Convergence was a deadend in "Magellan" also. I mean, wasn't there a small noise made when Robert tried all of the steps in that room? It would've just seemed like a harsh deadend to me. Even Kirk seemed convinced that it was not a deadend. And if that really is the half-pendant on the ground, then it was more likely this room was not a deadend. And yeah, good catch on the detail about "Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat". The half-pendant in that run was not one room away like it was for the other season one runs. But unlike the supposed "Magellan" half-pendant location, that half-pendant was only two rooms away from the final temple guard rather than four rooms away. But still good catch.

What I really want to know is where the half-pendant in "Elizabeth I's Golden Ship"? I mean really... this team only traveled through four rooms and no half-pendant in sight? I have to say it was in the Heart Room, but honestly I don't have a clue.

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Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2012, 11:08:24 PM »
I always thought that the Room of Harmonic Convergence was a deadend in "Magellan" also. I mean, wasn't there a small noise made when Robert tried all of the steps in that room? It would've just seemed like a harsh deadend to me. Even Kirk seemed convinced that it was not a deadend.

Do you mean to say that you always thought that the room WASN'T a dead end?   ;)

But unlike the supposed "Magellan" half-pendant location, that half-pendant was only two rooms away from the final temple guard rather than four rooms away.

Why should that matter? There were plenty of episodes from Season 2 and 3 where the number of rooms between the half pendant and the final temple guard (or what would have been the final temple guard, in the event that the team did not encounter the third guard) wasn't the same; why can't that be true for Season 1 as well?

Just to name a few for reference: "Crown of Queen Nzinga" was one room away; "The Bifocal Monocle of One Eyed Jack" would have had to have been at least two rooms away (the half pendant was picked up in the Tomb of the Headless Kings, and there are no temple guards in the Jester's Court); and "The Mummified Hand of the Egyptian King" would have been either three or four rooms away from the final temple guard (the half pendant was on the left-hand column in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, and the number of rooms to get to the Secret Password depended on if the contestant would have had to go up to the King's Storeroom or directly to the Ancient Warriors from the Sacred Markers). Either way, there was much variation in the number of rooms between picking up the half pendant, the room with the second guard, and the room with the final guard.

Like I said in an earlier post, "As nice as that trend seems, we automatically know that it does not hold true for every episode."
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