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Re: Individual Ranking System
« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2012, 11:09:53 PM »
Also, I edited the rankings for King Tut's Cobra Staff. Not just erasing the +/- garbage, I gave David a +0.5 boost for his run in the temple. With the improved rankings, this episode just barely squeaks ahead of Oracle Bowl. Overall, two average episodes. One fairly good run, one mediocre run, so I guess they even each other out.

Can't wait to tackle season 2. Some good ones, some bad ones, and some in the middle. Taking a break right now.



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« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2012, 11:16:14 PM »
I didn't give David a ranking in the moat because all he had to do was sit in a floating ring while Eusinia pulled him across. No skill needed for that. Even John, Tia, and Kim can sit in a ring with no problem. That's why there's an N/A for David in that one.

I guess I'll be more lenient with the temple games in the Cobra Staff episode. I knew I'd get criticized for that. No +/- bull crap from now on for me.

Edit: Before I forget, I gave David and Eusinia both a 10 in the team temple game because they deserved and earned it. They owned that game! They get credit for that one. Very well coordinated and speedy at the same time. They made the Blue Barracudas in that game look like a joke. They're keeping the 10.
Oh yeah, I remember now. Kind of an odd moat making all the teams do that. But, since it was the first of its filming day, they probably didn't do that again for the other moats. And yeah, good call discontinuing the +/- aspect, unless it's a tiebreaker question, it's not necessary.

And I would have given David and Eusinia an 8 or a 9 for the team game. They did well for sure, but the Blue Barracudas barely tried in that game. That's the only reason their performance looked that great. But fine, these are your rankings after all. I'm not saying you HAD to deduct points from them. I'm not implying it was a huge mistake giving them a 10. Oh well, on to the next rankings whenever you get the chance.

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« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2012, 11:21:46 PM »
You know what? I'm going to ask the magic 8 ball whether or not I should reduce the scores for David and Eusinia in the team temple game. If it's a yes, I'll reduce it. If no, I'm keeping it. Here we go:

Magic 8 ball, should I reduce the score of 10 for both David and Eusinia in their team temple game for the episode King Tut's Cobra Staff?

Magic 8 ball says: "Without a doubt."

Okay, fine. I'll do it. It won't be a big reduction though.



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« Reply #108 on: May 26, 2012, 12:34:31 AM »
Comparing your rankings to THK's for "Oracle Bowl", it looks like both Jackie and Shane had almost a 2.0 average increase in their overall base ranking in your rankings for them. I haven't watched that episode in a while, but I feel that Jackie is a little too high in certain categories. For the temple run at least, I would give her a 2 or 2.5. She had about two minutes to herself in the temple, yet she moved insanely slow and made pitiful progress given the time she had in the temple. Shane's ranking looks good though and I agree with your ranking more than I do with THK. That team was pretty decent pre-temple rounds and they even won the temple games 2-0.5. I need to watch that episode again to evaluate their performance overall.

As for "King Tut's Coba Staff", those rankings look good too. I think THK rankings for that episode got deleted in the database crash. As for the Purple Parrots, I do remembering them being pretty dominant pre-temple rounds. Eusinia was definitely strong and competitive in her temple games and David was kind of weaker. In the temple run itself, her only problem was that she was running around cluelessly in the temple. Had she not wasted all that time in the central shaft, then they could've gotten the Cobra Staff out of the temple. David could've picked up the pace though, but he was smarter than Eusinia though. Overall, an overlooked loss and one of the better episodes of season one.

I think I want to go back and rank some of the season one episodes. Looking at THK's rankings for some episodes, i feel that he was kind of harsh in certain areas of the rankings. For example, I don't see how Jennifer from "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" got a "6" in the temple, while Gabby from "Elizabeth I's Golden Ship" got the same number in the temple. Jennifer may have not been Gator fast, but I don't see how she was clueless at all like THK states in his rankings for her. And she moved pretty fast to me - just look at how fast she bolts into the Pit! And even pre-temple rounds, Jennifer was probably one of the top 10 girls on the entire show. Her and Damian were great in that whole episode.
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« Reply #109 on: May 26, 2012, 12:53:53 AM »
Yeah, that's what I disliked about those rankings. No disrespect to THK, but he was way, way too harsh on some of these contestants. I mean, I would never give someone a 1 on the steps, just because they didn't ring in. Unless of course they literally just stood there looking uninterested, or they rang in wrong too many times. And yeah, a 6 for Jennifer from John Sutter was way too harsh. I would have given her at least an 8. She was a great player and she's one of my all time favorite contestants ever. The hate she gets just because "she wasn't as fast as Gator" or "the layout was way too easy" is undeserved. But, I probably shouldn't complain too much. I mean, I liked some of his rankings. I guess what I'm trying to say is I agree with PP319's rankings much more than I do THK. And yes, the first "King Tut" rankings were deleted in that database crash.

Either way, if you one of you do rankings next, I'd be interested to see them. Especially if it's some of the Season 1 episodes.

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« Reply #110 on: May 26, 2012, 12:58:05 AM »
I know I'm a little harsh on Jennifer too, but if I were to rank her temple performance, I'd probably give her a 7.5 or maybe a little higher. She basically had the entire temple to herself with Damian getting taken out in the Throne Room, just three rooms in. She was definitely fast for sure, but she made a couple of mistakes. I'll have to rewatch the run though.



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« Reply #111 on: May 26, 2012, 01:08:05 AM »
I understand that a lot of the season one contestants weren't on par with later season contestants, but I wouldn't be as harsh on them at the same time since they were in an unfair situation compared to season two and three contestants. Take Lea from "The Star of Sultan Saladin" for example. Her temple performance  may have not been as amazing as some solo teams later in the season, but I am not going to deduct her for the direct path since she didn't know any better. Besides, she moved fairly fast and I don't remember her being clueless. I would've given her a 7 or 7.5.

I am also confused on the Robbie and Steve from "The Keys to the Alhambra" ranking. Steve gets a "10" in the temple because his path was flawless and he was fast, but Robbie was equally as fast and also took the direct path, yet he gets an "8"?  I mean sure it was Robbie's fault in a way for this run ending in triple capture, but he didn't know any better.

I like THK's rankings and I do agree with a lot of episodes. But when you are comparing the rankings of one team to another team, they seem rather inconsistent. Like how the "Golden Ship" kids got higher temple rankings than some of the winning teams. And how Bobby got a high score in the temple, yet he only had to travel through four rooms and wouldn't have probably won had he took the longer way in the temple.
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« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2012, 01:14:56 AM »
I know I'm a little harsh on Jennifer too, but if I were to rank her temple performance, I'd probably give her a 7.5 or maybe a little higher. She basically had the entire temple to herself with Damian getting taken out in the Throne Room, just three rooms in. She was definitely fast for sure, but she made a couple of mistakes. I'll have to rewatch the run though.

I would probaby give her a 7.5 too. I will admit that she got lost in a couple of rooms like the Throne Room and completed the Torch Room objective for no reason. But then again, Ty completed the Viper's Nest objective when he didn't have to, and no one really brings that up about him. She also kind of struggled with the monkey, but so did Joel and Shane. Overall, she did a solid job in the temple with a lengthy layout, and I would not short-change her for it just because she didn't face a "Pirate Captain" or "Apanuugpak" layout.

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« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2012, 01:22:12 AM »
Yeah, I disagreed about Bobby's rankings as well. Just because "he was fast" and "looked like he knew what he was doing," doesn't make him an amazing, beast player. I know the production error wasn't his fault, but I'm not gonna give him special treatment just because he got lucky. And I thought the "Golden Ship" rankings were a little too generous. I would have given both Joe and Gabby a 5. They weren't bad players per se, they were just too slow and had terrible luck. I can sort of see where he was coming from when it came to Robbie and Steve. I mean, Robbie's artifact was closer to the temple, but he took the direct path. Where as Steve's artifact was much further in the temple, where the wall didn't break down anyways.

Lea's ranking was too harsh as well, she did great despite minor hesitations in her run. On the other hand, I'm curious to see what Steve would have done had he gone in first instead. Also, I'm curious to see how anyone would rank the temple games from Mata Hari. I remember before the database crash, that episode WAS ranked, and the female Blue Barracuda did a terrible job. Worse than Evan, Jon, and Tia even. But, to each their own I guess.

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« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2012, 01:33:39 AM »
Yeah, I disagreed about Bobby's rankings as well. Just because "he was fast" and "looked like he knew what he was doing," doesn't make him an amazing, beast player. I know the production error wasn't his fault, but I'm not gonna give him special treatment just because he got lucky. And I thought the "Golden Ship" rankings were a little too generous. I would have given both Joe and Gabby a 5. They weren't bad players per se, they were just too slow and had terrible luck. I can sort of see where he was coming from when it came to Robbie and Steve. I mean, Robbie's artifact was closer to the temple, but he took the direct path. Where as Steve's artifact was much further in the temple, where the wall didn't break down anyways.

Yeah, a "5" seems more reasonable for both of the "Golden Ship" kids. They did ran into bad luck after all and neither of them were able to show their talents. But boy they really needed to pick up that pace.  I see what you are getting at with the Steve and Robbie comparison also. Now that you put that in perspective, I agree with his rankings more now. I am pretty sure the path that Steve took was the path that the team was suppose to take in that run. As for Robbie's run, we all know that if he went up into the Observatory, than this would've een a solo win. And if he did that, we might've had another 1:00+ victory?
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Lea's ranking was too harsh as well, she did great despite minor hesitations in her run. On the other hand, I'm curious to see what Steve would have done had he gone in first instead. Also, I'm curious to see how anyone would rank the temple games from Mata Hari. I remember before the database crash, that episode WAS ranked, and the female Blue Barracuda did a terrible job. Worse than Evan, Jon, and Tia even. But, to each their own I guess.

Oh God, I hated the "Mata Hari" temple games. They had to be the worst officiated temple games on the entire show. In fact, they had to be the worst set of temple games on the show. I mean two of the temple games were decided by the further along rule, in which the Silver Snake girl was not further along! The Blue Barracudas should've gone to the temple. But then again, I don't think any team would've won in that ridiculous layout .

Overall, I don't want to say that THK's are bad. I hate to criticize when I am no better. In fact, I think that most of them are great and none of us are perfect. I am sure my rankins are exaggerated in some areas too. I try to be consistent when ranking the contestants though. For example, even though Dana from "Frederick Douglass" had little time in the temple, I still gave her a low ranking because when you compared her to Katie from "The Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard" in almost the same situation, Katie did much better and made it further.

And also, this was THK's idea in the first place, so I just want to give him credit for that even though I might've said it before. ;)
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« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2012, 02:39:10 AM »
Plus, we don't want to get too carried away with discussion about who's rankings were good or bad. We want to leave plenty of room for anyone to do their own rankings. We can still discuss other peoples rankings, as long as the conversation doesn't drag.

Anyways, the only other thing I have to say is yes, the Mata Hari games were terrible. Kirk had no idea what he was doing. He took the "furthest along" rule WAY too far, causing the Silver Snakes to win the temple games undeservedly. Though I'm not sure how much better the Blue Barracudas would have done in the temple. I mean, did you SEE how pathetic that female Blue Barracuda was in her third temple game? Imagine what she would have been like in the temple. :shock:

And btw TRJ, you got the pendant score for Delphi wrong. The Purple Parrots beat the Silver Snakes 2-1 pendant, NOT the 2-0.5 you stated. Just thought I'd point that out. ;)

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« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2012, 03:53:16 AM »
I really need to get on with my rankings. Any requests?
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« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2012, 01:00:31 PM »
Plus, we don't want to get too carried away with discussion about who's rankings were good or bad. We want to leave plenty of room for anyone to do their own rankings. We can still discuss other peoples rankings, as long as the conversation doesn't drag.

Anyways, the only other thing I have to say is yes, the Mata Hari games were terrible. Kirk had no idea what he was doing. He took the "furthest along" rule WAY too far, causing the Silver Snakes to win the temple games undeservedly. Though I'm not sure how much better the Blue Barracudas would have done in the temple. I mean, did you SEE how pathetic that female Blue Barracuda was in her third temple game? Imagine what she would have been like in the temple. :shock:

If there is anything from that episode I can't forget, it was that terrible temple game where both teams didn't look good. If my memory serves correctly, I don't think the Blue Barracuda girl was able to get pass the mouth of the Dragon Tunnel. She kept struggling to try and pull herself up, but couldn't get pass that first hill. Her partner had to literally crawl all the way towards her in order for her to get the Map. Although I don't think the Silver Snakes were much better either because they lost on of their maps. But boy was that Blue Barracuda girl pathetic. :roll:

As for the temple run, I don't think many teams would do good. This would've been a type of run where encountering all three guards would've been the only real way to win. I believe the last guard would've been in the Royal Gongs.
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And btw TRJ, you got the pendant score for Delphi wrong. The Purple Parrots beat the Silver Snakes 2-1 pendant, NOT the 2-0.5 you stated. Just thought I'd point that out. ;)

I knew Jackie won her temple game, but I was unsure if Shane won his. But it looks like the Purple Parrots tied their game in the last team game.  :mrpurple:

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« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2012, 03:38:10 PM »
I really need to get on with my rankings. Any requests?
How about the Pytheas/Dried Ear of Corn filming day? I think I remember you doing those rankings before the database crash.

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« Reply #119 on: May 27, 2012, 01:11:32 AM »
I think I am going to do the last production day of S2L3 and hope to post it by tomorrow. That consists of "Queen Nzinga", "Efoua", "The Mask of the Man in the Iron Mask", and "Two-Cornered Hat". I am most interested in reviewing "Man in the Iron Mask" and "Two-Cornered Hat" out of those episodes. Although "Efoua" will be kind of interesting too.