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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #180 on: April 10, 2012, 03:08:37 PM »
I completely agree about the Golden Goblet's temple guard placements. I doubt the producers would allow Rachelle to go straight down into the Mine Shaft, with the layout she had. The Ledges could be a direct path trick, and the Room of the Secret Password could have been a one room away trick.

I also agree about the Melted Head's temple guard placement. Again, the Ledges temple guard could have been a direct path trick. And like PP319 said, the layout could have been similar to that of The Lost Hornpipe. Only this time, the King's Storeroom door does open in the Pit.

Word on Silver Saddle Horn and Iron Mask's temple guard placements as well.
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #181 on: September 20, 2012, 06:05:07 PM »
As far as Gawain is concerned, I think there was a guard in the Chamber, but since the cover didn't go up when Tiffani completed, despite the flash of light that normally accompanies it, the guard couldn't capture it. This is further evidenced in that the cover doesn't go up when Tiffani grabs the helmet (it should've, as it did when Gator grabbed the Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak).

Gawain was the only episode where the lights flashed and the cover failed to go up. If you go to the video and watch that part, the sound effect of the cover going up is even heard. That makes me believe that there was a guard in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers.

I think that the second guard was placed in the Ledges. The dark lighting in the Ledges would have been crucial so that the contestants would not be able to see the guard from where they stood at the gate, during the temple overview. In "Bifocal Monocle," "Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag," and "War Fan" (the three other episodes taped during that day), the Ledges were lit. The same dark lighting was used during the temple overview for "The Dried Apple Half of William Tell," which we know housed a guard in the Ledges. It was not until the contestant descended from the Crypt to the Ledges that the Ledges became lit and revealed the guard. And just as with "Gawain," the other episodes taped during the same day as "Apple Half" had lit Ledges during the temple overview.

I believe that there was NOT a guard in the Quicksand Bog. There is a lack of piling of Styrofoam blocks in the "Gawain" episode, in comparison to the "Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb," which we know had a temple guard in the Bog. Consider these two screenshots taken from those two episodes (courtesy video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf):







For the placement of the third guard instead, I believe it was the Room of the Secret Password or the King's Storeroom. After the Silver Monkey is assembled, the door to the Secret Password opens, and the camera does a panoramic-sweeping view up to the Secret Password, which means that the producers probably expected Tiffani to head in that direction. The other possibility is that the guard was in the King's Storeroom, and that after running into the guard behind the cover in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, Tiffani would have had to have gone up to the King's Storeroom and encountered another guard immediately (a la "Upside Compass of Henry Hudson").

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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #182 on: September 20, 2012, 06:14:38 PM »
THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

The Ledges were well-lit during the temple overview for "War Fan," which implies that a guard was not stationed there (please see my other comment regarding guards in the Ledges, above). There is another possibility for the third guard location: the Dark Forest. Since the team only had one pendant, one guard had to have been avoidable. In Season Three, that often meant using diverging pathways that met up later on in the temple (often seen as two doors opening from the Pit to the central shaft). However, only one pathway opened from the Pit to the central shaft in "War Fan"; therefore, the road must have forked somewhere else, with guards on each road. Once Jeremy completed the Silver Monkey, both the Secret Password and the Dark Forest opened up-- a perfect divergent pathway that would converge again at the Quicksand Bog. Jeremy chose to go to the Secret Password. That meant that the idea of having the guard in the Dark Forest would have tested to see if Elise could trace Jeremy's path, or if she would stray and take the alternate route (a la Kelly in "Thornwood Gavel").
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #183 on: September 20, 2012, 10:55:23 PM »
THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

False, no episode ever saw a guard placed in both entrances, nor is there evidence supporting such notion. The Ledges were well-lit during the temple overview for "War Fan," which implies that a guard was not stationed there (please see my other comment regarding guards in the Ledges, above). There is another possibility for the third guard location: the Dark Forest. Since the team only had one pendant, one guard had to have been avoidable. In Season Three, that often meant using diverging pathways that met up later on in the temple (often seen as two doors opening from the Pit to the central shaft). However, only one pathway opened from the Pit to the central shaft in "War Fan"; therefore, the road must have forked somewhere else, with guards on each road. Once Jeremy completed the Silver Monkey, both the Secret Password and the Dark Forest opened up-- a perfect divergent pathway that would converge again at the Quicksand Bog. Jeremy chose to go to the Secret Password. That meant that the idea of having the guard in the Dark Forest would have tested to see if Elise could trace Jeremy's path, or if she would stray and take the alternate route (a la Kelly in "Thornwood Gavel").

I disagree, there had to be a temple guard in both entrance rooms for "The Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza" temple run. If you watch the temple run, the Tomb of the Headless Kings door did not open to the Jester's Court in that run when Lacey completed the objective for that room. So the only unentered room the team did not enter was in the Ledges. Its possible that the Ledges was a deadend and the Green Monkeys in that run would've been forced into the Crypt where they would've been taken out. It seems like a weird layout, but it was the last production day of the show, so the producers were trying some gimmicky probably.

As for the "War Fan" run, its also possible the last guard was in one of the suits of the Ancient Warriors. There were some instances where a temple guard in a suit of armor was avoidable like in the "Chandragupta" and "Ivan the Terrible" temple runs. So we should take that into consideration. The Dark Forest would look like a useless detour to me anyways if there was a guard there.

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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #184 on: September 20, 2012, 11:08:48 PM »
THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

False, no episode ever saw a guard placed in both entrances, nor is there evidence supporting such notion. The Ledges were well-lit during the temple overview for "War Fan," which implies that a guard was not stationed there (please see my other comment regarding guards in the Ledges, above). There is another possibility for the third guard location: the Dark Forest. Since the team only had one pendant, one guard had to have been avoidable. In Season Three, that often meant using diverging pathways that met up later on in the temple (often seen as two doors opening from the Pit to the central shaft). However, only one pathway opened from the Pit to the central shaft in "War Fan"; therefore, the road must have forked somewhere else, with guards on each road. Once Jeremy completed the Silver Monkey, both the Secret Password and the Dark Forest opened up-- a perfect divergent pathway that would converge again at the Quicksand Bog. Jeremy chose to go to the Secret Password. That meant that the idea of having the guard in the Dark Forest would have tested to see if Elise could trace Jeremy's path, or if she would stray and take the alternate route (a la Kelly in "Thornwood Gavel").

I disagree, there had to be a temple guard in both entrance rooms for "The Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza" temple run. If you watch the temple run, the Tomb of the Headless Kings door did not open to the Jester's Court in that run when Lacey completed the objective for that room. So the only unentered room the team did not enter was in the Ledges. Its possible that the Ledges was a deadend and the Green Monkeys in that run would've been forced into the Crypt where they would've been taken out. It seems like a weird layout, but it was the last production day of the show, so the producers were trying some gimmicky probably.

As for the "War Fan" run, its also possible the last guard was in one of the suits of the Ancient Warriors. There were some instances where a temple guard in a suit of armor was avoidable like in the "Chandragupta" and "Ivan the Terrible" temple runs. So we should take that into consideration. The Dark Forest would look like a useless detour to me anyways if there was a guard there.

Thank you for alerting me to the idea of having a guard in the Ledges for "Jeweled Scabbard." Just like in "Gawain" and "Dried Apple Half," the Ledges are completely dark during the temple overview. That would suggest a guard being stationed there, based on my previous hypothesis regarding the lighting of the Ledges during Season Three. And as it is the only room not entered along the longest possible route for that run, it would most likely have been there (as opposed to being in, say, the Secret Password, which the players had no access to at all during the run).