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Where were the temple guards?
« on: May 29, 2011, 06:54:42 PM »
I'm trying to compile a comprehensive list of where all the temple guards were, including the ones that were not encountered as best as I can.  For most temple runs, it is fairly easy to figure out where the other temple guards were, or at least narrow them down to a few possibilities.

What I hope to accomplish from this thread is to get some input from other people to help narrow down the possibilities for where the temple guards were.

The way I'll do this is to do them 5 at a time.  First, I'll share what I think of them and then I'll open the floor for discussion.  After there is a consensus, we'll go on to the next 5.  PLEASE GO BACK AND WATCH THE TEMPLE RUNS BEFORE COMMENTING ON THEM.

To start with:

BLACKBEARD'S TREASURE MAP:
Wow, not much we can do about this one.  Sabrina didn't make it very far at all.  The only one she encountered was in the CAVE OF SIGHS. In the temple description, there seems to be a large pile-up of packing peanuts in the swamp (to me, they look like packing peanuts, but I'm not sure what they are), which would indicate there was probably a temple guard in THE SWAMP.  Neither of the doors to the left in the Observatory or the Heart Room opened, so we can only assume the path would have taken her along the bottom, and if so, the other temple guard was probably in the ROOM OF HARMONIC CONVERGENCE or the TOMB OF THE ANCIENT KINGS.

THE GOLDEN CUP OF BELSHAZZAR:
The players encountered temple guards in the CAVE OF SIGHS and in the TREASURE ROOM.  The problem with this run is that, probably due to a production error, every route was a dead end, so it is anybody's guess where the other one was.  For the same reason as in Blackbeard's Treasure Map, my guess is that it was in the SWAMP.

GALILEO'S CANNONBALL:
The players encountered temple guards in the THRONE ROOM and in the SHRINE OF THE SLIVER MONKEY.  The only other rooms that even available to them were the ROOM OF THE THREE GARGOYLES and the OBSERVATORY, so it was probably in one of those.  The only potential conflict with this is that Jon takes something out of the treasure chest in the Shrine that many people believe to be the half-pendant.  There are two possibilities.  One: The other temple guard was in the Observatory or Gargoyle Room and the production crew actually expected the team to find the half-pendant at almost the exact same time the temple guard emerged from the Shrine if they needed the half-pendant.  Two: That wasn't the half-pendant he took out.

WILD BILL HICKOK AND THE DEAD MAN'S HAND:
All three guards were encountered in the CAVE OF SIGHS, the HEART ROOM, and the SWAMP.  Nothing to discuss here.

JOHN HENRY'S LOST HAMMER:
Temple guards were encountered in the HEART ROOM and the THRONE ROOM. At this point, I have no indication where the other one might have been except that there are only four rooms the team did not enter: THE TORCH ROOM, THE SHRINE OF THE SILVER MONKEY, THE OBSERVATORY, AND THE CAVE OF SIZE.

Okay, so if you have any information to contribute please do so, and hopefully we can figure this out.

Note: It's difficult in the first season but it gets much easier in later layouts.
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 12:37:02 AM »
I would like to help with your list. :)

 I need to go back and watch some of these episodes again, because I am actually trying to finish up my site this summer. Going through the next series of season one episodes, this is what I could come up:

THE GOLDEN CRICKET CAGE OF KHAN:
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- ?

ELIZABETH I'S GOLDEN SHIP:
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Golden Idols (encountered)

JOHN SUTTER AND THE MAP TO THE LOST GOLD MINE
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Golden Idols (encountered)

THE STAR OF SULTAN SALADIN
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- The Cave of Sighs (you can see him when Leah exits the temple)
-- The Heart Room? (The Heart Room would've probably been a deadend for Leah, so I assume a guard was in there)

THE KEYS TO THE ALHAMBRA
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- ? (I assume it would be a room on the top level of the temple, maybe the Shrine?)

THE HELMET OF GENGHIS KHAN
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- ? (Perhaps the Throne Room? There is usually a temple guard there when the contestants take the bottom route)

THE TROJAN HORSESHOE
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Spider's Lair (As the Green Monkey boy exits the temple, you can see the headdress of the temple guard. I guess this room could've only be accessed by pressing down an idol)

THE PENDANT OF KAMEHAMEHA
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Dungeon (encountered)
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 01:44:12 AM »
Yeah, that's pretty much what I have for those episodes right now.  Like I said, it's hard in the first season because often we don't even know which doors would have been locked or unlocked.

Some notes I have about those:
THE GOLDEN CRICKET CAGE OF KHAN: Really, they did not make it far enough to really even be able to guess.

STAR OF SULTAN SALADIN:  The only other room the third one could have been was The Pirate's Cove, but the Heart Room does seem a little more likely (considering how often one is in there).  Either way, it would have been either a dead end or a useless detour.

KEYS TO THE ALHAMBRA: Same as Golden Cricket Cage of Khan.  The second runner was absolutely stupid and made no progress, which makes it extremely hard to guess where the third one was.  Something we have to consider, though, is that since they only won 1 pendant, one of the guards had to be avoidable.  :?:

THE HELMET OF GENGHIS KHAN:  This one is hard simply because we don't know which doors were unlocked.  The only thing I can say that might indicate something is that going back and watching it, I saw that in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, the door to the Dungeon opens, indicating that it could have been in there.

THE TROJAN HORSESHOE: I also noticed the headpiece, which is conclusive evidence that the temple guard was there.
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 02:18:13 AM »
Let me help with the list.

THE LOST LOGBOOKS OF MAGELLAN:
- The Room of Harmonic Convergence
- The Heart Room
- The Pirate's Cove

THE MOCASSINS OF GEROMINO:
- The Observatory
- ? (It's possible that one guard could be in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. It would add a bit of difficulty considering the number of rooms)
- ? (Not so sure. We have to consider that there was a half pendant in the Temple, so the other guard could be in the Room of the Three Gargoyles or the Heart Room (Probably because some people fail to notice the Observatory/Treasure Room passage and would be tricked to go down)

HENRY VIII'S GREAT SEAL:
- The Cave of Sighs
- The Heart Room
- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART:
- The Room of the Three Gargoyles
- The Swamp
- ? (Possibly the Heart Room because it is unlikely that both entrance rooms would have guards)

PONCE DE' LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH:
- The Observatory
- The Room of Harmonic Convergence
- The Cave of Sighs (only room not entered)

THE TREASURE MAP OF JEAN LAFITTE:
- The Heart Room
- The Room of Harmonic Convergence
- ? (Could be anywhere in the Temple)

THE ORACLE BOWL OF DELPHI:
- The Room of the Three Gargoyles
- The Swamp
- ? (Possibly the Heart Room for a double whammy of a temple guard and a dead end)

THE PAINTBRUSH OF LEONARDO DA VINCI:
- The Swamp
- The Observatory
- ? (Not so sure)
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 02:38:35 PM »
Just a few comments I would like to add:

For "the Golden Cup of Belshazzar", I believe the team was suppose to go down the Treasure Chest. When the girl opens the treasure chest, you can hear a sound similar to Mitchell using the chest in "the Moccasins of Geronimo". So the third guard must've been in the Swamp or the Tomb of the Ancient Kings.

For "Galileo's Cannonball", I assume that the third temple guard would've been in the Room of the Three Gargoyles. I also don't think that Jammin John found the half pendant in the Shrine like some websites (Room of the Mandarin Hand) suggest. It would not make any sense to have it in the same room as the last temple guard.

The last temple guard in "the Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart" had to be in the Heart Room. The producers never would have a temple guard in both entrance rooms, especially this early in the season.

I also think the last temple guard in "the Oracle Bowl of Delphi" would've been in the Shrine or Treasure Room.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 02:47:15 PM »
RJF, I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but it's the Lucky "Pig", not "Pillow". ;)



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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 02:52:41 PM »
Anyways, I will post the temple guard placements for S1L6 temple runs:

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA:
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Well/The Room of Three Torches? (It has to be either one of these rooms. I would go with the Torch Room though because there were never any temple guards in the Well room space.

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Three Gargoyles? (would've been a trap guard if the team decided to take the direct path)
-- The Heart Room? (a deadend room like in most of the top floor artifact placements)

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Observatory (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings? (the boy did find the half pendant in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, which means the last temple guard had to be in Room of Three Torches/Well/Tomb of the Ancient Kings. I will go with the Ancient Kings though since the producers in season one loved the one room away temple guard placement)

THE STONE MARKER OF LEIF ERIKSON
-- The Bamboo Forest (encountered)
-- The Observatory (encountered)
-- ? (I have no idea on this one. Similar to the Paint Brush of Leonardo Da Vinci run, it could've been in any of the unentered rooms.)

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC
-- The Room of the Three Gargoyles (encountered)
-- The Room of the Harmonic Convergence (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room? (the only two rooms the team did not enter were this room and the Observatory. I would give it to the Treasure Room though because I doubt the producers would've required the team to travel up to the Observatory)

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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 03:00:19 PM »
I have found it helpful that you guys have analyzed the temple runs and layouts to narrow it down, but I mostly ask that you kinda slow down so that we're not covering so many episodes at once.

Anyway, these are my notes on those episodes RJF covered:

MOCASSINS OF GERONIMO: I'm pretty sure the Shrine would have been one of them because that allows for the possibility of the frontrunner getting captured late into the run, making the retrieval more difficult.  I'm not sure where out of the other rooms the other one would be.

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART:  I do agree, it was more than likely in the Heart Room because it would make close to no sense to put guards in both entrance rooms.  However, we can't be absolutely sure.  I'm going to look back at the episode and see if I can sneak a peek into the Cave of Sighs to get proof or disproof that the guard was there.

PONCE DE' LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH: Yeah, there is no doubt it had to be in the Cave of Sighs.

THE TREASURE MAP OF JEAN LAFITTE:  It really could be in any of the three rooms.  However, comparing this temple layout to that of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA'S HEADDRESS, I'm fairly sure the path downward from the Shrine to the Tomb would have opened, so I'm thinking the other was in the Tomb, because that makes it a capture situation, but the capture is still avoidable.

ORACLE BOWL OF DELPHI:  Considering they had two pendants, it seems perfectly plausible for them to have put the other guard in either the Shrine or the Treasure Room.  I really think that since loss by triple capture wasn't even possible, they wouldn't have put the last temple guard in a dead-end or a useless detour, so I'm not going to consider the Heart Room.

THE PAINTBRUSH OF LEONARDO DA VINCI: I think the other guard would have been in the Treasure Room or the Shrine.  Based on the opened doors and where the other temple guards were, I'm very sure the door from the Shrine to the Tomb would have opened, so putting the guard in the Pirate's Cove or the Dungeon would have been pointless.

Also, TRJ, I noticed that sound too in "the Golden Cup of Belshazzar", but the second runner seems to be confused and unable to go down.  I do think that was the intended path, but either the second runner was WAY too hesitant or a production error didn't open the door.
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 03:15:49 PM »
I am going back and watching some of these runs already listed right now.

There is definitely no guard in the Cave of Sighs in "the Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart". You can tell the room is empty when Kirk is talking to the contestants.

For "the Moccasins of Geronimo", one of the guards must've been in the Room of the Three Gargoyles. You can see the temple guard door slightly cracked open during the temple rundown (pic coming soon).




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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 03:37:03 PM »
Ugh, too fast guys.

My notes for S1L6:

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA:  I disagree with you TRJ, I think it would be in the Well, because the Tomb of the Ancient Kings was the 7th room on the shortest path they could have taken, so I'm absolutely sure the diagonal passage would have worked, making the Room of the Three Torches completely pointless.  (I'm actually convinced the vertical passage from the Tomb would have worked anyway, so either way, it was probably only going to be encountered if the contestant was being stupid.)

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA: I also disagree with you here.  I think they were in the Well and the Gargoyle Room.  I mean, they already put a temple guard one room away, it seems stupid to do that twice.

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA: I think you might be right on the button, but I'm also going to consider the Well.

THE STONE MARKER OF LIEF ERIKSON: Yeah, I'd say the same as Paintbrush, but I'd switch whichever it is. (what I mean is if it was the Shrine in Paintbrush, it's Treasure Room in this one)  That's just because if they were exactly identical, it would be suspicious on the part of the production crew.

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC: Same thoughts here.  What's also convincing is that they won two pendants, so they probably wouldn't bother putting the last temple guard in a useless detour.


Thank your TRJ for that picture.  I noticed that sort of thing in other episodes, but was too lazy to go back and watch meticulously for that.
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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 02:32:07 AM »
THE MEDAL OF SIR EDMUND HILARY:
- The Room of the Three Gargoyles
- The Heart Room
- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey

THE MASK OF SHAKA ZULU:
- The Cave of Sighs
- ? (Could be the Observatory assuming the player has to climb up the central shaft because of not going through the Room of the Three Gargoyles and the Troubled Bridge)
- ? (Could be the Room of the Three Torches or the Well since the half pendant was sometimes in the empty base of the Shrine and it would be way too easy to let the door from the Shrine to the Tomb open like that)

THE GOLDEN JAGUAR OF ATAHUALPA:
- The Heart Room
- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey
- ? (The Room of the Three Gargoyles seems obvious since the direct path would never work)

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL:
- The Treasure Room
- The Holes of Python
- ? (Could be the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or the Well. Considering there's a half pendant somewhere, this entire run is hard to determine)

ALEXANDER AND THE GORDIAN KNOT:
- The Throne Room
- Tomb of the Ancient Kings
- ? (The Treasure Room since the half pendant was found in the Shrine)
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 03:27:39 AM »
Ugh.  I was about to hit the sack, but now I'm compelled to look back at my notes for S1L7:

THE MASK OF SHAKA ZULU: Really, we don't have enough information to make a good guess.  Just based on the idea that a temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs and that they had 1 1/2 pendants, I'm thinking that the other two guards would normally have been unavoidable (Lolz, malfunctioning door).  Assuming the Gargoyle Room and Troubled Bridge would lead them to the Observatory, I'm going to narrow it down to the Observatory, Treasure Room, Shrine, Room of the Three Torches, and the Well.

THE GOLDEN JAGUAR OF ATAHUALPA: The way I see it, putting it in the Room of the Three Torches is preposterous because the long-ass elevator ride should be punishment enough.  i think that going into the Gargoyle Room would have led them to the Observatory and down the central shaft.  I'd probably have more proof of this if the front runner had tried the door leading up from the Heart Room.  I think the guard was in the Observatory because I'm pretty sure I saw something moving around in the back area during the temple description.  (I'm pretty sure it was a guard, but it might have just been bad video quality)

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL: Based on the fact that there was a very short route through the bottom, I'm thinking they would have been forced into at least the Well, maybe even the Room of the Three Torches, so maybe either one of those or the Tomb of the Ancient Kings. They had 1 1/2 pendants, so if somebody can spot the other half-pendant, that might narrow it down.

ALEXANDER AND THE GORDIAN KNOT: I'm thinking so too.  I was also considering the Heart Room, but that seems pointless since the other guards were unavoidable and the half-pendant was near-impossible to miss.
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 03:30:52 AM »
I want to quickly thank you guys for your discussion before moving on because I'm already starting to see the possibilities narrow down, and even on some of them, I've come up with a definite answer.

I'm too tired to start talking about S1L8, so, until tomorrow.  (Wait, it IS tomorrow.)
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2011, 06:43:34 AM »
Some notes regarding the S1L7 episodes:

For "the Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa", I assume the last temple guard would've been in the Room of the Three Gargoyles. Usually with one pendant runs, there is a guard in one of the entrance rooms of the temple. So the producers might've made the Gargoyles room a direct path trap and forced the team down into the Cave of Sighs. Although the Observatory could also be possible.

"The Mask of Shaka Zulu" is another weird episode though due to the extremely simplistic layout. But I would like to add a little note that I found a while back. During the temple rundown, you can see the Treasure Chest in the Treasure Room is already opened, suggesting maybe that the Treacherous Holes should've been a dead end, and the team would've been forced up into the Treasure Room. I would assume a guard would be there. But since this run is so messed up, I don't have a slight clue.

There is no doubt that the last guard in "the Gordian Knot" is in the Treasure Room due to the half pendant location. And its also not the only run either where all three temple guards are unavoidable.

"The Silver Saddle Horn of Hannibal" beats me though where the last guard could've been. I haven't watched that episodes in ages, so I need to go back and watch it.

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Re: Where were the temple guards?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2011, 07:05:34 AM »
Also, I think I can knock out S1L8 right now since its not too complicated:

KING TUT'S COBRA STAFF:
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey  (encountered)
-- The Cave of Sighs (the team entered every room of the temple already except this one, so the last one had to be here.)

DRAGON LADY AND THE BLUE PEARL:
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- ? (It has to be either the Cave of Sighs, Throne Room, or Heart Room. We do know the Heart Room door was unlocked because Albert press the actuator for it in the Treasure Room, and the door opened. I am going to guess though that the temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs or Throne Room, making a direct path guard).

THE CODEBOOK OF MATA HARI
-- The Treacherous Holes of Python (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Room of Three Gargoyles? (it would've been a deadend room similar to the Helmet of Joan of Arc, and would force the team down into the Cave of Sighs. The only other possible choice is the Room of Three Torches. It couldn't be the Observatory because the boy did find the half-pendant in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, and the next guard was in the Treasure Room.)

PECOS BILL'S LOST LARIAT
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- ? (it had to be a room on the bottom floor. I am going to guess the Throne Room for this run though.)

ROBIN HOOD AND MARIAN'S LADDER
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Observatory? (this one has always blown my mind. This has to be the location of the last temple guard because no other rooms of the temple could be entered. The door leading to the Treacherous Holes of Python was locked during the run. Although that doesn't mean the Treasure Chest didn't open up and lead to the room. Its a pathetic run and win anyways, so who knows?)