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Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on January 25, 2007, 11:55:34 AM
I've put up ten episodes I think had the toughest layouts in the history of Legends.  Of course, if you guys disagree, I've also put in a "My choice isn't up here" option for your convenience. :P

They had a lot of cruel layouts, but I think "The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein" takes the cake.  They would've entered every room of the Temple if they reached the Portrait, and this is Season 3 we're talking about.  Even if you gave this layout to Zac Turney and that Jennifer from "The Dragon Lady and the Blue Pearl," I don't think it would result in a victory.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Notundercovercop327 on January 25, 2007, 12:14:30 PM
its between the missing portrait and the discarded seal but the seal just seemed impossible.

I havn't seen it so i probably shouldn't be talking but i dont think the golden goblet of atilla the hun was a hard layout I am pretty sure that the door to the laser light room would have opened.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on January 25, 2007, 12:28:41 PM
I voted for "Dried Apple Half Of William Tell" even though I haven't seen that one yet. I have seen the layout though, and it look pretty brutal to me.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: StaryFurySK on January 25, 2007, 01:54:03 PM
i have not seen some of the episodes (my only means of getting them is if someone puts them up, whether it be RP or a different site).  The worst one by far was the first one made, the golden cup of belshazzar, but it was a production error (or as some think...a long deadend).

I would put the missing portrait as the worst as most other runs had a good possibility of alternate routes.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 25, 2007, 03:22:32 PM
The Lost Fountain of Youth. The layout itself wasn't too bad, it was the placement of the temple guards that made it difficult.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: jfeathe on January 25, 2007, 04:08:06 PM
I'm still convinced the Shrine-Bog door opened in the Holbein episode (that would have been my other choice), so my vote goes to the Discarded Seal. They did everything right, including making it back to the podium after knocking over the column. Also, a temple guard two rooms away is horrible, especially for season 3. The final thing was how the Room of the Ancient Warriors was set up. In every other episode, the suit of armor that had a temple guard also opened the door, however this was not true for the Discarded Seal. After the temple guard grabbed her, she was forced to try the second and third armor. She would have gotten it had the first one opened the door.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: nicklegends on January 25, 2007, 04:17:57 PM
I'd say the Discarded Seal... I mean, a lot can be said about the other runs, but I genuinely felt that the two players in the Seal episode were above-average contestants. But, you know the ending...

"Come here; let me keep you from getting that Discarded Seal at the last second."

The Apple Half episode also appeared to have a difficult layout, but we'll never know what it was because the team didn't get far enough.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on January 25, 2007, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: ""nicklegends""
The Apple Half episode also appeared to have a difficult layout, but we'll never know what it was because the team didn't get far enough.


I'm gonna guess that since they had to take so much time in the Pit of the Pendulum, they would've opened the vertical and diagonal passages [into the Shrine of the Silver Monkey] to make the layout possible.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on January 25, 2007, 04:29:05 PM
I voted for the Discarded Seal of Ivan also.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: tss1011 on January 25, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
I voted for Hans Holbein.  Those are all hard, but going through the entire temple just to get to the portrait takes the cake.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Olmec on January 25, 2007, 05:12:53 PM
I voted for the Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible, but they're all hard.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Purple Parrot on January 25, 2007, 08:06:07 PM
Discarded Seal for sure.
Title: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Kirk Fogg's Wife on September 21, 2010, 01:14:59 PM
I also voted for The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2011, 01:37:16 AM
I assume this used to be a poll. I'll throw my name in the bin and go with something no one has said yet: The Marble Armrest of Xerxes. This one was just brutal. The girl entered both the Crypt and the Ledges with no guards popping out (she could've pulled all the books, but she just went with first one which opened the Ledges). A guard appeared in the Tomb of the Headless Kings and then the Quicksand Bog where she was taken out (there was no key in the Dark Forest, so she had to plow through the wall). Then her partner went through and tried the Bog-Shrine door and that didn't open. Then he had even more problems with the slide. It's like the slide was purposely slicker than before (previous run was Zac Turney's run). If the production crew felt like major assholes that day, they would've made the boy go up into the King's Storeroom via Room of the Ancient Warriors, thus forcing this team to go through EVERY room in the temple. However, that wouldn't have happened because the boy never got the other half pendant hanging on a button in the Jester's Court. He would've been taken out of the temple unless both the King's Storeroom and the Chamber of the Sacred Markers opened with the guard being in the upper room.

Yeah, Hans Holbein is very tough too, but the kid went down the slide, not up it. I rank that one third right behind Ivan the Terrible (second because of guard placements) and Xerxes (first).
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 11, 2011, 01:51:36 AM
You know, I think "the Marble Armrest of Xerxes: is one of the more overlooked tough layouts of the show. That team had no choices in their path, and were forced to take the horn in the temple.

But I still have to say Hans Holbein was a tougher layout due to the fact the team had to enter the Chamber from below. I mean they were denied any shortcuts in the run and still had to complete the Jester's Court and Tomb of the Headless Kings.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 11, 2011, 01:58:00 AM
It's a good debate, but really, all of them were very difficult. I don't think Gator or Zac could've beat these layouts.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 14, 2011, 12:56:54 AM
Ok, I watched the discarded seal run again and I think I might change my vote to this. Two great players, one brutal layout. They were going to run into all 3 guards in this run (which they did) and this prevented them from getting the seal. The Room of the Ancient Warriors just screwed this team over big time. I mean, a guard in a suit that doesn't open any doors at all? Ouch! I know that not all of the rooms would've been entered (ledges and password would've been unnecessary in this run), but still, what a brutal layout with the guard locations it had. If possible, I'd love to pair Zac and Gator together and have them go through this layout. Do you think they would succeed? I'm not sure if they would.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 14, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
Ok, I watched the discarded seal run again and I think I might change my vote to this. Two great players, one brutal layout. They were going to run into all 3 guards in this run (which they did) and this prevented them from getting the seal. The Room of the Ancient Warriors just screwed this team over big time. I mean, a guard in a suit that doesn't open any doors at all? Ouch! I know that not all of the rooms would've been entered (ledges and password would've been unnecessary in this run), but still, what a brutal layout with the guard locations it had. If possible, I'd love to pair Zac and Gator together and have them go through this layout. Do you think they would succeed? I'm not sure if they would.

Yeah, Travis and Elisa were probably one of the best teams in season 3, and still finished a room away from the artifact because the layout was so damn tough. They did everything right in the room including running fasts through all the rooms, try shortcuts, making it back to the platform in the Pit of the Pendulum, etc.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on June 17, 2011, 04:56:24 AM
Well, put the poll back up for anyone who wants to re-vote.  Even I have to admit I wouldn't really nominate some of these episodes for "hardest layout" four-and-a-half years later, but hey, I wanted to be consistent with the poll on the old board. :P
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 17, 2011, 10:15:17 AM
Ok, so after much debate, I voted for the Discarded Seal. The two players in this episode were really good, but they just had rotten luck with the temple guards. They had absolutely no chance of winning, and they didn't even have to enter all the rooms. Also, the item was not in the center room. You know something's wrong when the toughest layout doesn't require a team to get the item from the center room.

I think Hans Holbein was doable if the girl just moved faster and didn't have to climb out of the Pit of the Pendulum. Keith was really fast. I'm not sure if the Shrine-Bog door opened, but if it did, he could've gone that way instead of the Password. Also, Keith trying the third suit in the Ancient Warriors when the door was already open was unnecessary. Basically, the players in this run weren't near as perfect as the players from the Discarded Seal. If they were, then my vote might have been different.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 17, 2011, 10:16:24 AM
Also, in Hans Holbein, what if the girl tried the third book in the Crypt? She only tried two of them and the second book opened the Ledges. I wonder if the third book would open the Pit of the Pendulum. This could've saved more time as well.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on June 17, 2011, 11:59:33 AM
I voted for "The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible" mainly because a minimum of nine rooms was needed and the temple guard placement was cruel.

Although I'll admit "The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein" was difficult, they didn't have a cruel temple guard placement. Besides, they weren't excellent. If Rachel was faster or tried all three books in the Crypt or if Keith didn't try the third armor or miss the Quicksand Bog passage, they would've barely gotten the portrait.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 17, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
I voted for "The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible" mainly because a minimum of nine rooms was needed and the temple guard placement was cruel.

Although I'll admit "The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein" was difficult, they didn't have a cruel temple guard placement. Besides, they weren't excellent. If Rachel was faster or tried all three books in the Crypt or if Keith didn't try the third armor or miss the Quicksand Bog passage, they would've barely gotten the portrait.

I don't think the Quicksand Bog passage opened from the Shrine at all. You can tell when Keith is trying to plow through the wall that the door is closed. But Rachel should've tried all three books in the Crypt. I still think they wouldn't have gotten the portrait though. They still had the Jester's Court and Tomb of the Headless Kings to complete.

The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible gets my vote though for this one.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: JTH1 on June 17, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
For sake's arguement I'll throw out one more. "The Mystical Spell Book of the Imperial Wizard"

Season 3 for one so clearly no walk in the park, had to scale down to do The Ledges. Both the Chamber and King's Storeroom opened so they had to climb back up regardless and temple guard placement again. Many people remember this run for the first player looking for the key in the Dark Forest when he just had to plow through the wall. Though I think the kid heard Kirk say "Find the Key" repeatedly and throw him off.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 17, 2011, 04:42:02 PM
I also voted for "The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible." For all the same reasons as everyone else. Travis and Elisa were fast and did everything right, but they still lost. There were few shortcuts and the temple guard placement was horrible. My runner up choice would definitely be "The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein." And what a coincidence that those 2 episodes were filmed on the same day.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 21, 2011, 04:01:08 PM
I say "The Leopard-Skin Cloak of Annie Oakley" deserves an honorable mention as well. Possibly the best Purple Parrot duo of all time and the temple guard in the King's Storeroom basically gave all PP fans the middle finger just one room away from the Cloak. Not only that, but the Cloak was in the center room. Chandra went through 9 rooms in like two minutes before that guard caught her. That guard and the one in the Laser Light Room were impossible to avoid. I wonder what the end result would be if Chandra went into the Ledges first (I say the third guard was in there). Nick may have had a chance at getting the Cloak, but that'd probably be it. What a tough layout with BS guard placement. :x
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 21, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
I say "The Leopard-Skin Cloak of Annie Oakley" deserves an honorable mention as well. Possibly the best Purple Parrot duo of all time and the temple guard in the King's Storeroom basically gave all PP fans the middle finger just one room away from the Cloak. Not only that, but the Cloak was in the center room. Chandra went through 9 rooms in like two minutes before that guard caught her. That guard and the one in the Laser Light Room were impossible to avoid. I wonder what the end result would be if Chandra went into the Ledges first (I say the third guard was in there). Nick may have had a chance at getting the Cloak, but that'd probably be it. What a tough layout with BS guard placement. :x
It was Chandra's own fault for not taking any shortcuts. The layout wasn't that hard at all. She added 2 extra rooms to her path. But the one room away temple guard was a pretty cheap move.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 21, 2011, 12:20:06 PM
I also voted for "The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible." For all the same reasons as everyone else. Travis and Elisa were fast and did everything right, but they still lost. There were few shortcuts and the temple guard placement was horrible. My runner up choice would definitely be "The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein." And what a coincidence that those 2 episodes were filmed on the same day.

You know, I think the hardest layouts this show ever had were all filmed on the same day.

The Golden Spider Web of Robert the Bruce is almost the exact same layout as The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein, except The Spider Web ended in triple guard capture (and they would've gotten further if Jeremy wasn't an idiot and passed the half pendant in the pit).

We all know about The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible.

The Dried Apple Half of William Tell looked insanely difficult as well. This Green Monkey team just wasn't fit enough for this kind of layout.

We also know about The Missing Portrait.

The only layout that wasn't very hard on that day was The Mysterious Manuscript of Mary Shelley.

Talk about a tough day.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on July 21, 2011, 05:59:57 PM
A whole lot of cruel designs up in the list and on honorable mention. Those season 3 producers were just downright despicable sometimes :x
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 23, 2011, 05:29:59 PM
You know, I wonder why some of the poll choices are up there. I mean, Golden Goblet, Red Sash, and Ivory Elephant (which somehow got a vote :roll: ). The rest of the choices deserve to be in this poll. Marble Armrest should've been in there.

I'm going to give you my top 5 hardest layouts.

1. Discarded Seal (hardest)
2. Hans Holbein
3. Marble Armrest of Xerxes
4. Belle Boyd
5. Dried Apple Half

Wow, all five of these are season 3 runs, and there are other hard layouts from this season as well. These include Golden Spider Web, Bent Shaving Pan, Smashed Printing Plate, and Useless Map. Just missing my cut in 6th is Ponce De Leon, a season 1 run.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Viper on November 23, 2011, 08:43:36 PM
The Dead Man's Hand had a confusing layout. But we all we know about the layout is that it had a lot of dead ends.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 23, 2011, 08:45:23 PM
If you think about it, Blackbeard's Treasure Map and The Golden Cup of Belshazzar, two very mediocre runs, had some hard layouts. I think they deserve a mention too.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Viper on November 23, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Yeah. the Golden Cup of Belshazzar was cruel for making them go all the way to the Throne room only to make them go back up to the crypt.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 23, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
Iirc, it was the Room of the Harmonic Convergence and not the Throne Room, which makes it more cruel because that room actually had an objective in season 1.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Viper on November 23, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Iirc, it was the Room of the Harmonic Convergence and not the Throne Room, which makes it more cruel because that room actually had an objective in season 1.
I always think that Blackbeard's Treasure Map and the Golden Cup are S1L1.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 24, 2011, 01:48:45 AM
Just going through a list of Legends episodes, here is a list in no order of hard layouts:

* The Golden Cup of Belshazzar
* The Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart
* Ponce De Leon and the Lost Fountain of Youth
* The Golden Chains of Zenobia
* The Shriveled Hand of Efoua
* The Two-Cornered Hat of Napoleon
* The Upside-Down Compass of Henry Hudson
* The Marble Armrest of Xerxes
* The Golden Spider Web of Robert the Bruce
* The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible
* The Bullet-Riddled Handbag of Belle Boyd
* The Dried-Apple Half of William Tell
* The Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein
* The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu

Overall, I think "The Dried-Apple Half of William Tell" takes the cake for being the hardest layout featured on the show. I mean the team was forced to meet a temple guard in the Ledges, only allowed to use the bottom door in the Ledges, forced to climb up in the Pit, and then meet a second temple guard after traveling down the central shaft.

I mean what the hell? How could any team win in that kind of layout?

Surprisingly, season two had the most balance when it came to layouts. Season one had quite a few hard and easy ones while season three had too many lengthy ones.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 24, 2011, 01:58:43 AM
You know, I had an old Legends "article" I wrote about the toughest layouts on the show that I was going to use a long time ago for my site. Let me see if I can dig it up and post it here.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 24, 2011, 02:03:55 AM
An article huh? Post it, I would love to read it. ;)
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 24, 2011, 02:11:26 AM
Well, its one I wrote a while ago so it will be chock full of errors and mistakes and probably could use a clean-up. But I know for sure I have it around.  :mrred:
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 24, 2011, 02:21:22 AM
Well, you could at least post it in the Spam Topic. But of course, it's up to you.

Getting back on topic, I still say the Discarded Seal is the hardest layout. Belshazzar was a pretty brutal design too, what with the dead end in the Room of the Harmonic Convergence.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 25, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
Okay, I found the "article" I made a few years back that I never got around to posting. Its kind a long read, but covered most of the episodes with horrid layouts. There are a few of them missing from the list like Tokugawa Ieyasu, but I think these are all the ones featured on the show. I removed the pictures also as it would've made the post too long.

TOUGHEST LAYOUTS IN LEGENDS
Throughout Legends three year tenure on Nickelodeon, a total of 120 episodes were produced. Each of these episodes were unique in their own way for the most part, but other stood out for some reason or another. In this article, I will explore some of the toughest layouts ever featured on Legends.

THE GOLDEN CUP OF BELSHAZZAR

And the episode for the "Most Brutal Dead-end" goes to this run right here. The frontrunner, Katherine, seemed like a fairly competent contestant in the temple and even chose not to take the direct path. Unfortunately, she met a dead-end in the Room of Harmonic Convergence after trying every step possible. She was then forced to retrack her steps to the Room of the Three Gargoyles. How time consuming was the dead-end? Between the time she entered the Gargoyle Room from the Room of Harmonic Convergence she wasted almost exactly a minute. But the brutalness of this run doesn’t end there; she meets another “dead-end” in the Treasure Room, where supposedly the Treasure Chest opens after she tries opening it. By the time her partner entered the temple, it was too late.
Now, its entirely possible that the dead-end in the Harmonic Convergence was a possible production error, but nevertheless the dead-end consumed 1/3 of their time in the temple, which is why it gets a nod on this list.

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART

A lot of fans remember this run for Kristen’s stupidity, and rightfully so too because she was too slow and stupid in the temple. However, this layout was just too brutal for a season one episode. During the entire run, Kristen was not granted access to ANY of the shortcuts. Not even any from the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. And if that’s bad enough, the temple guard layout wasn’t much better either as the team either had to start in the Cave of Sighs or enter the Heart Room at some point in order to avoid being taken out one room away. This is asking too much for a season one team.

PONCE DE’ LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH

This run earns the reward for “Toughest Temple Guard Placement” in the temple. The layout for this run itself wasn’t too bad, as the team was granted access to the Shrine-Ancient King shortcut. But the temple guards were laid out in a way where the only way for the team to win was by encountering all the temple guards. It didn’t help that James didn’t take any shortcuts during the run either. But in order for this team to have a chance at winning, they would’ve needed to enter the Cave of Sighs and encounter the temple guard there before even having a chance to win.

THE SHRIVELED HAND OF EFOUA

Season two in the temple did not have many lengthy or hard layouts featured on the show, but this one stands out as the team was forced to enter eight rooms before reaching the artifact. It didn’t help that both players were short and kind of slow in the temple. Either way, they were pitted up against some of the most time consuming rooms of season two, and thus deserve a mention on this list.

 THE BULLET-RIDDLED HANDBAG OF BELLE BOYD

This episode is often overlooked when it comes to tough layouts on the show. In this run, the Leah and Matthew had to reach the artifact in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. The only problem was that the team was forced down the entire central shaft. As a result, the team had to complete at least 9 rooms in order to reach the artifact. It didn’t help that Leah entered the King’s Storeroom, which added an extra room onto the team. The team did manage to fare well in the temple though despite putting up with a brutal layout.

THE DRIED-APPLE HALF OF WILLIAM TELL

A lot of people remember this run for Lauren’s annoying voice, but this is hands down the most brutal layout on the show. First off, the team was forced down into the Ledges where they met their first temple guard. Next, from the Ledges they were only granted access to the bottom door of the Ledges. And after knocking down the column in the Pit of the Pendulum, the team was forced to scale the wall in order to reach the top most door of the central shaft. If that was bad enough, after Brett scaled to the bottom of the central shaft – which featured some of the most time consuming rooms of season three – the team met a temple guard at the bottom of the central shaft.

By the time Lauren reached the temple, she really had no chance to reach the artifact. Brett had already faced the most challenging rooms in the temple, and she had a minute left to herself. And the team still had four more rooms to complete in order to reach the Room of the Ancient Warriors. To this day, I never understood the reasoning behind this brutal and hellish layout. I bet Lauren’s loud mouth pissed off the producers at one point.

THE GOLDEN SPIDERWEB OF ROBERT THE BRUCE

Artifacts that were located in the center of the temple are always tricky and hard for a team to reach. But reaching an artifact in the center of the temple via the bottom floor was a much harder task. This run exemplifies how hard these center of the temple runs were. During this run, the team was granted NO shortcuts at all. In order for the team to get anywhere near the artifact in this run, both of these players had to be fast and hesitate little or at all during the run. Unfortunately, Christine and Jeremy weren’t cut out for this layout. I don’t think any team would’ve reached the portrait also.
And if you think the layout was impossible, the temple guards were situated where all three guards were unavoidable. Perhaps this was an attempt to bank on the Green Monkeys since they had a half-pendant, or perhaps the producers just felt like being dicks. Regardless, this layout was beyond impossible.

THE MISSING PORTRAIT OF HANS HOLBEIN   
     
This layout is pretty much similar to the above layout, “The Golden Spiderweb of Robert the Bruce”. Unfortunately, this team was not cut out for this layout either. The team did not help their cause out though because Rachel failed to try all three books in the Crypt. Nevertheless though, the team was denied access to any shortcuts during their run. As a result, they didn’t even make it close to the artifact.

THE MARBLE ARMREST OF XERXES

Here is yet another center of the temple run in season three with another impossible layout. Although the team had it a little easier since they did not have to retrieve the artifact from the bottom floor of the temple. Regardless, they still had to enter almost every room in order to reach the artifact. It didn’t help that the Green Monkeys were not fit for this task and were pretty incompetent. The Purple Parrots would’ve fared better than these two jokes would have. Still though, it would’ve taken a lot of speed and little errors to reach this artifact.

THE DISCARDED SEAL OF IVAN THE TERRIBLE

This episode is probably memorable for a great team that got screwed due to a tough layout. Both Travis and Elisa had to travel through a total of 10 rooms at minimum in order to reach the artifact. And the team didn’t make ANY mistakes at all during the run. Travis made it back to the platform, he used all the shortcuts had was granted, and didn’t hesitate in any room. Elisa did a great job covering his tracks and even made it one room away from the artifact. Due to the impossible layout though, they made it one room away from the artifact. The temple guard layout made it impossible for the team also during the run as Travis got taken out two rooms away from the artifact and Elisa had to cover almost eight rooms to make it.

To keep it simple, it wasn’t the team’s fault that they lose – the layout was near impossible and too much for any contestant to handle. If this team had any other layout not mentioned on this list, they would’ve won!
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 26, 2011, 06:45:32 PM
Here's another temple run with a hard layout that gets overlooked: The Stolen Arm of Shiva.

In this run, the team had to traverse through the Cave of Sighs, climb down a ladder, get inside a wheel and turn it, tackle the entire central shaft (easiest central shaft, but having to go up it is still hard and time consuming), open the treasure chest in hopes that it opens (and it didn't), complete the monkey, (possibly enter the Pirate's Cove and go down into the Well room before plowing through the wall; the bucket was already up there from the temple description, so it's possible they could've only been given access to this room from the Shrine), enter the Ancient Kings, grab the Stolen Arm, and attempt to exit the hard way. Also, they had to find the other half pendant to avoid triple seizure. I think this one was hard too, and this is season 1 we're talking about.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 27, 2011, 01:00:43 AM
I kind of disagree with "The Stolen Arm of Shiva". The layout only seemed brutal because the team took the direct path, which added on a couple of rooms. When the secondrunner spins the sundial in the Observatory, you will notice that the bar leading to the Troubled Bridge also opens up. Which means had they entered the Gargoyle Room, then they would've avoided the central shaft altogether. They pretty much brought that layout on to themselves.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 22, 2015, 12:51:01 PM
You know, my opinion has changed on the "Ponce de Leon" layout being a tough layout. I think this layout was actually pretty winnable. It was exactly like "Lucky Pig's" layout except that the Shrine-Ancient Kings shortcut actually worked. And the Trouble Bridge opened at the top of the temple too, so there was no wasted time climbing any walls. And all of the rooms except for the Shrine had no objectives either. Despite moving slow and taking a long path, James was removed with less than a minute left. I know the one room away guard was cheap, but if the second runner was fast in this run they could've made up enough time to grab the Water Bottle and pull off a win. Its really not any different than "Mata Hari" where the front runner was removed one room away also. And no one ever calls that layout tough.

To me, the only tough layouts in Season 1 were the broken ones or the ones with bad dead ends. Like Stone Marker, Golden Cup, Dead Man's Hand, and Leonardo Da Vinci. Also, "Sir Edmund Hillary" was actually a pretty tough one too because of the temple guard placement and the time wasted on the Well bucket. "Ponce de Leon's" layout could've been won with a team like Jennifer and Damien or Robbie and Tina.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 22, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
Yeah, layouts like Ponce de Leon and also Lucky Pig were actually pretty winnable layouts. Every room entered was simple, and could've been won with any other strong team in Season 1. The temple guard placements were a little cheap, but both those temple runs ended up being losses because the players were too slow and/or incompetent. So I really don't consider either of those layouts hard at all.

As for this thread, still think Discarded Seal was the hardest. That layout was just completely impossible.
Title: Re: What do you think was the hardest layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 24, 2015, 01:33:04 PM
Discarded Seal will always be the hardest layout. It's amazing how strong Travis and Elisa were in the temple and still lost. They were given no shortcuts and the temple guard placement was so unfair. Especially the Room of the Ancient Warriors guard. If it wasn't for him, Travis and Elisa would've reached the Discarded Seal at least. If they actually won in the temple, I would say that this would be the best temple run and win ever. The Green Monkeys were one of the best teams.

Other than that, I like how most of these choices are from Season 3. Missing Portrait seems to be the second most voted layout. Which I am surprised because Robert the Bruce had the exact same path and all three guards were forced in that run. I guess no one voted for that because it was Jeremy's fault for the triple capture.

Belle Boyd would've been my other choice. In this case though, Matthew and Leah made their path a little longer than it needed to be. I think they might've won or had a failed escape at worst if they entered the Chamber directly and if Matthew tried the Shrine shortcut from the Bog. Still a very exciting run though.

Belshazzar was the most broken layout on the show. The Room of Harmonic Convergence dead end was so brutal. And then the Treasure Room being a dead end also hurt the team. Too bad, because this was Katherine and Sean's second temple appearance too since the S1L1 got postponed.  :?