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Title: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 04, 2014, 11:56:07 PM
The past couple of months I have been reading some old topics on here. One opinion that I found interesting was that some people feel that Bifocal Monocle's layout was unfair for Season 3 standards and that Veronica and Thomas get too much criticism. Veronica and Thomas have a bad reputation around here for having one of the worst performances on the show. But their layout was pretty unusual for Season 3 standards where it featured dead-ends and detours. This was definitely bazaar for Season 3 standard. Do you think that Veronica and Thomas get too much criticism?

In my opinion, Veronica and Thomas deserve their criticism 100%. They were a horrible team that made some of the worst mistakes on the show. I mean Veronica literally spent 1/3 of the temple run trying to climb out of the Pit. -_____- And the Ancient Warriors dead end could've been avoided easily if they didn't think the direct path would be so obvious. And she had no reason to run into the King's Storeroo either. Thomas was equally as clueless for pulling books in the Crypt and running into the same rooms as his partner. I have to admit that their layout was a little confusing and brutal for Season 3 standards. But that doesn't excuse them for their pitiful performance. I might have more sympathy for them if they didn't act like John and Tia in the temple. :roll:

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 05, 2014, 02:07:37 AM
No. They deserve all the criticism they get. I don't care how "hard" the layout was. Anyone who has that much trouble scaling a simple wall does not belong on the show. Not to mention, Veronica could've very well have gone straight into the Tomb. It was open. But no, she insists on taking a direct path by entering the Room of the Ancient Warriors for no reason. And then she detours into the King's Storeroom? Hello, there's nothing there for you. Of course, Thomas wasn't any better. Yeah, great idea pulling all three books in the Crypt. Just one little thing: IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. That's just further proof that this team did NOT deserve to so much as pass tryouts to be on the show, let alone make it all the way to the temple. Their layout was a little strange, but that doesn't excuse their temple performance whatsoever. No sympathy. They were a terrible team, and I would even go as far as saying this was WORSE than that dreaded Snow Cone episode. How people can defend them is beyond me. :roll:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: AimYourBrent on September 05, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
They deserve criticism, but that wasn't the question posed. The question was do I sympathize with their layout. And the answer is absolutely. That was a very tough layout and I don't know that they would have been successful even without Veronica's issue in the pit. And really, that was their ONE issue, Veronica navigating that pit. If it had been a Season 1 or 2 style pit, that never happens. I hold Veronica and Thomas to Nick and Kim status. They aren't as terrible as the Snowcone, Keys, Blackbeard teams or god awful John and Tia. They are one step up from all of them in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 05, 2014, 07:38:14 PM
Thank you! I am glad that I am not the only one that hates this abomination. I'm sorry, I just can't feel sorry for a team that makes some of the dumbest mistakes on the history of the show. By Season 3, you should know better that the direct path won't work. So no sympathy for Veronica from me. And didn't this temple run had a solo shot chance too? Now that I think about it, the Orange Iguanas could've avoided the Ancient Warriors and King's Storeroom guards. I totally forgot about that. Honestly, this layout wasn't that challenging at all. Bandit Queen and Egyptian Queen's team would've won. Hell, even the Roland team could probably win since it was one extra room most likely.

The Bifocal Monocle layout was a little tricky, but I cannot sympathize for such an incompetent and lost cause team. If it was a run like Golden Stallion or Stone Marker where the layout was tough but the kids put up a good effort, then I can show them a little sympathy. But not this run. And by Season 3, you shouldn't be making these stupid mistakes either. Even though runs like Golden Cricket Cage and Alhambra are shit too, I can have a little understanding for their struggles since it was very early on in the first season. But not a Season 3 run.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 05, 2014, 08:31:07 PM
Yeah, I agree with Stone Marker. Both the Room of the Ancient Warriors and King's Storeroom had very avoidable temple guards, and like I said above, Veronica could've very easily have avoided it. This could've been a solo victory (maybe even a lot like Poseidon), had Veronica not been so clueless. So in retrospect, this layout actually wasn't that tricky at all.
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 05, 2014, 10:39:46 PM
Yeah, the Bifocal Monocle layout was very similar to Poseidon except that the team had an extra room with the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. Hell, the layout is very similar to Roland if the Dark Forest open in Bifocal Monocle's run. And I kind of disagree with Veronica and Thomas being compared to the Missing Weather Map kids. These two were lost causes and deserve to be ranked as low as Cricket Cage, Snow Cone, Lost Hammer, etc. There was no excuse for Veronica to waste over a minute in a Pit. That was worse than Tony from Stone Head spending over a minute in Medusa's Lair. And Thomas as a second runner had plenty of time to make progress, but he screws around way worse than Dana or Brian from Shaving Pan.

It is like the William Tell run. That had to be the toughest layout on the show and no team had a chance to win. But Lauren and Brett were a horrible team and I don't sympathize with them at all for their poor performance. Especially when teams like Belle Boyd and Discarded Seal outperformed them with almost similar layouts.
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on September 15, 2014, 09:32:37 PM
Why should anyone feel bad for this team. Veronica and Thomas were awful in this episode. They would've lost the Sforza layout.  :roll:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 15, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
Exactly. They were a terrible team, period.
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 16, 2014, 01:16:11 AM
It's like the Silk Sash run too. I have seen people try and feel sorry for Jessie and Steven. Their layout was not that hard. I am sure the Observatory would've opened if Steven put the column together correctly. Instead, the team was running all over the place and moved slow. Attila the Hun's layout was more brutal than this one, and Rachelle made it further than the Silk Sash kids.  :roll:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 16, 2014, 01:18:34 AM
And coincidentally, both Silk Sash and Golden Goblet were filmed back to back. Neither run was great, but when even a single player makes it further along than a whole team, you know you're in trouble. :shock:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 16, 2014, 01:34:12 AM
Yeah.\, I can never feel sorry for a team that sucks ass in the temple no matter what their circumstances are. Even if the layout is tough or there is a cheap production error, at least try and put up an effort. I don't mind runs like Imperial Wizard or Sir Edmund Hillary where the players make mistakes but at least try and put an effort in their layout. Here are some teams that I can never feel sorry for despite having low odds of winning:

- Silver Saddle Horn
- Silk Sash
- Lucky Pig
- Marble Armrest
- Dried Apple Half
- Bifocal Monocle
- Shriveled Hand
- Plumed Headdress

Those are some runs I see people giving sympathy for. While they may have had hard layouts, I can't feel sorry for teams that have players who mess up big time. :|
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 16, 2014, 01:47:25 AM
Wait a minute, you're including Efoua on this list? They weren't a bad team at all. Slow yes, but not terrible. I actually sympathize with them A LOT. They had one of the most impossible layouts in the history of the show, and actually made it very far with the layout they had. I mean, they made it what, TWO rooms away for such an impossible layout? That's very remarkable honestly. If that doesn't say they did a pretty good job, I don't know what will. They are sympathized with for a reason. And I am also someone who actually does feel sorry for them. Even if their run wasn't the greatest. It was boring, but not so bad they deserve to be criticized. I'm sorry, but what? =/
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 16, 2014, 02:26:11 AM
Impossible layout? Okay, it might've been one of the harder layouts of Season 2. But it was definitely winnable though. Bobby and Janelle had to enter 7 rooms enroute to the artifact, which seemed to be pretty standard for S2. The only difference was that they had to complete some of the tougher rooms. But still, I just didn't find their performance that great. It was just below average to me. They moved slow through every room and they avoided the Mine Shaft shortcut from the Shrine and took the slow elevator instead. I don't hate this loss at all, and it was wrong for me to include it on the list with the other losses. But I just feel like if Rachelle gets criticized for moving slow with her layout, than so should the Shriveled Hand team. They are on par with each other in my books.
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 16, 2014, 02:31:55 AM
It was below average yes, but entering 8 rooms is hard for any team. I just feel like Bobby and Jenelle actually made decent progress compared to say, the Dried Apple Half and Hannibal teams. But, back to Bifocal Monocle. I hate to say it, but that run was more memorable than Efoua. And by memorable, I mean incredibly bad. So Bifocal Monocle is definitely remembered in a bad way. O_O
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 16, 2014, 02:37:43 AM
Yeah, Bifocal Monocle is very memorable for the piss poor performance.  :shock: That's because it features some of the stupidest mistakes on the show (Veronica taking over a minute to climb the wall, Thomas pulling books in the Crypt, and the team's no sense of direction.) I remember it way more than Snow Cone, and that team entered less rooms than Veronica and Thomas. In my mind, this is the second worse loss on the show after Golden Cricket Cage. Yes, I hate it more than Alhambra, Lost Hammer, Lost Lion Tail, etc. These two were a waste of space.  :oops:  :afro:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 16, 2014, 02:47:18 AM
Yeah, I also hate Bifocal Monocle way more than Snow Cone. The latter is just a really forgettable AND bad run, both are which are a bad combination. Or maybe I've just blocked so much of Snow Cone out of my memory. But Bifocal Monocle to me, has got to be the second worst run after Cricket Cage. Though Lost Hammer is a good contender for worst runner up too. I mean, not knowing how to press a button? At least Billy did an okay job though. :oops:
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on January 28, 2015, 04:02:26 PM
While Veronica and Thomas struggled in the temple, the path was strange. And while their success was very low, I can sympathize with them for their layout (which, I must point out, is different than sympathizing for them due to their ability). This was the first and only Season 3 episode that featured a dead end. This was also the first episode of the new season, so it was more-or-less a "testing ground" for the new rooms and objectives. Once the producers saw that adding dead ends to the already more difficult series of rooms was excessive, they probably realized that it was sufficiently difficult to have teams proceed in a predetermined path, rather than have to deal with dead ends on top of it. This pattern of trial-by-error and adjusting/clarifying episode-by-episode was seen in several moat crossings and temple games throughout the duration of the show as well. So all in all, I am not surprised that the producers chose to get rid of the dead ends for Season 3.

Another point of interest I want to mention in regards to the Bifocal Monocle run occurred after Veronica encountered the temple guard in the Ancient Warriors. One of the cameramen (or perhaps another crew person, etc.) mumbles something about a "door" when there is 0:55 left on the temple run clock. She then kneels down by the door that led back into the Chamber of the Sacred Markers before looking at the cameraman, hesitating, and proceeding up to the King's Storeroom. Perhaps she intended on returning to the Chamber, but was influenced otherwise to head to the King's Storeroom.
Title: Re: Do you sympathize with the Bifocal Monocle team with their layout?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on January 29, 2015, 12:51:08 PM
Looking back now, I don't even think I feel that this layout was even tough at all. Yes, it was tricky with the rare dead end in Season 3. But I feel that some contestants wouldn't fall for the obvious direct path trick either. Plus, Veronica and Thomas actually had a chance at solo victory too. This layout might've been exactly like Roland's with just one extra room tacked on to it. And I don't think being the first temple run for Season 3 is an excuse for how bad these two performed. Galileo and Butch Cassidy were the first temple runs for their respective seasons, and those teams won. Veronica and Thomas made horrible progress and didn't even make it past the central shaft. Plus, the other temple runs that day were actually pretty successful. Even War Fan had a chance to being a win. Finally, the mistakes that these two made were pretty glaring. No excuse for spending over a minute to climb a wall or trying to complete objectives that were already done. In my mind, this is the second worst temple run ever on the show. A team like Bandit Queen, Metal Beard, and even Poseidon would've had better success with this layout even if they were confused by the dead end. ;)