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Title: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 05, 2014, 08:11:27 PM
It appears that there are generally strong feelings of love and hatred toward certain episodes here, and particularly about certain temple runs. Some of the most revered include Lucky Pillow of Annie Taylor, Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain, and Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible. The most despised runs include Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack, Golden Cricket Cage of Khan, and Keys to the Alhambra. I could continue on with lists of overrated, forgettable, unfair, and frustrating runs, just to name a few. Please note that these lists are not exhaustive.

I'd like to offer some of my own thoughts about some of these runs, particularly where my thoughts deviate from what appears to be the "general consensus." I hope that this can be a non-hostile environment where we can have a healthy discussion and accept opinions, even if they differ from one another.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 05, 2014, 10:10:47 PM
So what temple runs do you find to be overrated, PP4L? Just curious to see if your list is the same as my list.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 05, 2014, 11:14:32 PM
Here are six runs, two per season, that I hold opinions of that differ from the "general consensus." I hope that these thoughts do not come across as rude, condescending, or dismissive of other opinions; that is NOT my intention. I hope that this can result in thoughtful conversation.


Keys to the Alhambra

This run was not particularly great, but I wouldn't say it's one of the worst of the show. Steve cleared his fifth room in just over 30 seconds, which is a pretty fantastic feat. Even though all of his objectives were "push an actuator," his speed is irrefutable. Lisa's performance in the temple was not stellar, but I would argue that she actually had some idea of what she was doing. She did try to use the Tomb of Ancient Kings key to open up the golden door leading to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, but the door was already de-magnetized from when the temple guard took Steve from the temple. So although she tried the key, the door was already "opened." And not only was that door open; the temple guard door and the far-right door were cracked open too. This caused some confusion. Lisa did make an effort to go up to the Heart Room and then back toward the Keys to the Alhambra, but the Room of the Golden Idols was locked. She probably would have been granted access up to the Observatory, but who is to say that that route would have allowed her into the Golden Idols either? I believe that she would have been forced back into the Pit anyways, only to have to use the Tomb of Ancient Kings/Shrine ladder to continue on. Lisa was by far not the only Season 1 contestant to be turned around or blocked by malfunctioning doors, so I don't think it should be held against her any more than any other contestant. Overall, I don't particularly enjoy this run, but I would not call it one of the worst runs (and definitely not the worst run) of the show.



Moccasins of Geronimo

A lot of conversations have led to the idea that Mitchell was a "lucky" contestant. He may have walked through the temple, but the Season 1 temple was easy enough where that was permissible without being an absolute detriment to the team. Additionally, he was one of the few Season 1 contestants who was able to traverse the temple (with switching floors multiple times, nonetheless) without once getting turned around. Regardless of whether he intentionally opened the Treasure Room or it happened to open by chance, I think that his ability to continue on without hesitation is something that points to the fact that he was a good contestant. Overall, I think that Mitchell is a better contestant than many people give him credit for.


Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata

This run tends to receive a lot of high marks, but I don't find it to be one of the best wins of the show. Robert and Olivia-Emma were a good team, but I don't think that their performance warrants as much praise as it seems to get. Together, the team cleared five rooms en route to the Applewood Amulet, the same number of rooms as the Ivory Hunting Horn and Jeweled Scabbard teams. Ivory Hunting Horn was a solo run, so the team didn't have to use time to have the second runner retrace the frontrunner's path, but even so, Yakerra cleared some of the most time-consuming rooms to score a very quick win. The Jeweled Scabbard team had to clear the difficult central shaft to reach their artifact and did so with 30 seconds to spare. Lacey and Asher were pretty average-paced and found their half-pendant. So why am I mentioning these two runs in relation to Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata? Applewood Amulet is often held in higher regard, but when I look at the details of this run, I find that Robert and Olivia-Emma faced rooms of the same difficulty as the other two runs and kept roughly the same pace as the other two runs, but they did NOT find their half-pendant (which could have proven detrimental to their run) and escaped with 0:01 left on the clock. While the "nail biter" finish may elicit more excitement, the overall quality of the content of the run was worse in that the team did not face any more obstacles than the other teams mentioned, yet used up more time in the temple and failed to find the half-pendant. If Robert and Olivia-Emma had been given any other path to the Applewood Amulet (whether having to enter the Throne Room like in Levitating Dog Leash of Nostradamus or having to head down into the Mineshaft like in Mush Pot Hat of Johnny Appleseed), they would have failed to score a win. It was only because the team was given a very generous, straight-forward path to the artifact that they were able to succeed. Overall, I find this to be a decent win, but I would not go so far as to give it as much praise as it tends to receive.


Golden Pepperoni of Catherine de Medici

Simply put: Aqila was not a horrible contestant. She may have passed up the Pepperoni in the last seconds of the run, but aside from that she was a fine player. She followed up on Chris' path well and cleared the King's Storeroom and Shrine of the Silver Monkey in decent time (once she got passed being dazed by her temple guard encounter). If she had grabbed the Pepperoni in the final few seconds, most people would probably find this episode pretty forgettable, but Aqila would not receive any bit of a "bad wrap."


Dried Apple Half of William Tell

I don't find this run to be particularly special, but Brett and Lauren faced arguably the most treacherous path to ever be featured on the show. The only door into the Pit of the Pendulum was through the bottom door from the Ledges, and from there, the team was forced to climb to the King's Storeroom, go back down the central shaft, and then loop back around the whole inner temple. Travis and Elisa (Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible) were able to bypass the Ledges and the Secret Password in their run, and Keith and Rachel (Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein) were able to take the top door from the Ledges to the Pit, so their paths were ever-so-slightly more bearable. While Brett and Lauren did not make it that far into the temple, the fact that they were forced to make that huge climb in the Pit, go down the central shaft, and then traverse the whole inner temple makes me feel that they had the most difficult temple route in the show's history.


Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis I

I would argue that Katie was one of the least successful Season 3 frontrunners. She reached her sixth room with only 1:00 on the clock. Katie spent a very long time in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. Not quite as long as Veronica (Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack) in the Pit of the Pendulum or Jason (Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass) in the Ancient Warriors, but a very substantial amount of time. The thing that irks me most about this fact is that no other contestant had any difficulty completing the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. At least Noelle had trouble knocking over the column and other contestants had some trouble getting out of the Pit of the Pendulum, and there were a number of times where a contestant passed by a headdress or lost time in the Ancient Warriors (Much-Heralded Helmet of Sir Gawain and Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror are the first two to come to mind, but they are by no means the only ones). Katie, on the other hand, was the sole player to struggle in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. So why do the other contestants who spent a long time completing single rooms take so much heat, while she is let off easy? Overall, I am not a fan of the Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis I run.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 05, 2014, 11:20:30 PM
I definitely agree about Aqila. She is far from the horrible contestant she was made out to be. Was she too slow? Yeah. Did she pass up the artifact the last second? Yeah. But besides that, she wasn't a bad player at all, even the very first time I watched the run. She handled the Jester's Court with no problem, and she assembled the monkey in a respectable manner. Plus, at least she found her half pendant, something players like Renee and Christina couldn't say. I think people just like to pick on Aqila for one little mistake she made.

Also agree about Katie from Clovis the First. The Chamber might be a hard room, but spending over a minute looking for one marker is inexcusable. Though I don't think anyone here ever gave Katie an easy time? If they did, I don't really remember. It was a pretty forgettable run anyways.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 05, 2014, 11:32:31 PM
My thoughts:

Alhambra: I think it deserves the reputation it gets for the most part. Steven was a really fast player and none of the criticism I give to this run pertains to him. But Lisa was a lost cause in the temple. With 2:30 to herself, I would expect she makes some kind of progress. In her defense though, she did try to go up into the Shrine. So its not like she didn't know that a path upwards existed. Even with this potential production error, she should've tried a different route. Katherine and Sean from Belshazzar had an even worst production error and they still took a different path. Although I think this run sort of gets a bad reputation too for the way Lisa and Steve went to the temple.

Geronimo: If it wasn't for all the love that this run gets, it wouldn't be so bad. But I just can't stand when it is labeled the best solo run of all time. The Treasure Chest opening for Mitchell was pretty generous and lucky when most kids never had the luxury of it. Plus, walking through the temple and finishing with more than a minute left is not impressive in my books. He lost me when he started assembling the Silver Monkey with the Moccasins. I can see why some people like this run, but it never flew under my radar.

Emiliano Zapata: I love this run a lot, but I can see why some people don't think highly of it. That is okay too, because their layout was really generous. But I thought the down to the wire ending and Olivia-Emma's strong temple exit made this run enjoyable. I don't mind if people have different opinions about this one. Although I do want to point out that Sforza does get a lot of praise. ;) It has appeared in a lot of people's top episode list and it is even some users favorite episode. I honestly have no problem with Sforza at all, but the win was too generous.

Golden Pepperoni: I definitely agree with you there. I actually like this run and the ending is very memorable. Aqila was not a bad player at all and she completed her rooms just as fast as most Season 2 contestants. The ending was the only real bad part, but if she had 2 more seconds, then we wouldn't complain about her passing the Pepperoni. I have nothing wrong about this temple run aside from the last 3 seconds of it. If it wasn't for the ending, then this run would probably be forgettable like Blackfeet Chief.

William Tell: Yeah, their layout was the toughest on the show. Even tougher than Discarded Seal. :shock: Honestly though, Brett never bothered me in this run. It was all on Lauren. Lauren's mouth was highly annoying and her lack of progress as a second runner was really pathetic. Look what Matthew from Belle Boyd did with his minute left? She could've made it to the Dark Forest at least if she hauled ass. I can't really stand this temple run, and it is because of Lauren.

Lily-Crested Crown: Wait, doesn't everyone criticize Katie for spending over a minute in the Chamber? That is all I see when this episode is brought up. I can't stand this run at all. It was exactly like Gwalior's layout, but these two sucked more. I guess no one talks about this episode though because it is so forgettable.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 05, 2014, 11:41:18 PM
I also don't like Geronimo. I think people just like to call it a great win because of all the floor switching Mitchell did. And I also think he got lucky with the treasure chest. If you see a big chest in the middle of a room, your first instinct is to open up. If I remember correctly, didn't Jennifer from Buddha also try to open up the chest? That right there goes back to my point about opening up a treasure chest out of instinct. And Mitchell just happened to be lucky that the treasure chest opened that day.

And I'm gonna have to disagree about Applewood Amulet. I feel like it deserves all the love that it gets. Olivia Emma was a very strong player, and I loved the nailbiter ending the temple run had. I find it much more exciting than say.... Dr. Livingstone, Cleopatra, Geronimo, etc. Olivia Emma is just a player I can never hate, no matter how many times I see the run. And like TRJ said, Sforza was a rather easy layout too, and gets praised quite a bit too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 05, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
I always talk about how certain temple runs are overrated. Why not talk about the underrated temple runs instead? Tell me guys what you think:

King Tut's Cobra Staff - I think most of the criticism this run gets is from Eusinia's detours and hesitations. But this temple run was actually really interesting for how David and Eusinia were "polar opposites" of each other. Eusinia was fast and clueless, while David was slow but smart. So they pretty much cancelled each other out. Plus, the Purple Parrots reached the artifact too despite a long path.

The Electrified Key of Benjamin Franklin - I actually find this run pretty exciting. Sure it was fun and Peter and Michelle really should've won. But Peter and Michelle were also fast and made this temple run pretty exciting to watch. And they still came close to a bottom of the central shaft run artifact too. I can see why it receives criticism, but the team performances makes it a little enjoyable.

The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror - Just like Electrified Key, Jonathan and Olivia made some mistakes that cost them the win. But I always found this temple run to be exciting. Jonathan moved fast in each of his rooms and despite his hesitation in the Room of the Ancient Warriors they still reach the Battle Flag. It might be my favorite failed escape run from Season 3 after Queen Boadicea.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 06, 2014, 12:30:36 AM
In response to Keys to the Alhambra:

Well, Lisa tried the door leading to the Shrine, and after that didn't work, she tried a different path via the Heart Room. Unfortunately she got turned around when the Golden Idols didn't open but the Pit did. Although she never entered the Observatory, I strongly believe she would have only been allowed back into the Pit and Heart Room (similarly to many other Season 1 runs and Golden Stallion of Ali Baba in Season 2). So while I agree that it is frustrating that Lisa did not make any "progress" in her long stay in the temple, I think it is forgivable to some extent and therefore cannot be called the flat-out worst run of the show's history.


In response to Applewood Amulet:

If I recall correctly, there have been several instances where Ivory Hunting Horn and Jeweled Scabbard have been considered "generous" or "easy" layouts. Both of these paths, like Applewood Amulet, only had the players enter 5 rooms en route to the artifact. For Ivory Hunting Horn, those rooms were the Crypt, Pit of the Pendulum, Tomb of the Headless Kings, Jesters' Court, and Dark Forest. The Tomb of the Headless Kings was probably the most time-consuming room of any season, and the Jesters' Court was often a pretty time-consuming room. For Jeweled Scabbard, the rooms entered were the Crypt, Pit of the Pendulum, Tomb of the Headless Kings, Chamber of the Sacred Markers, and the King's Storeroom. All three of the inner temple rooms featured long objectives. Applewood Amulet's path consisted of the Ledges, Pit, Medusa's Lair (2 snakes), King's Storeroom, and Shrine of the Silver Monkey. While the Shrine was a very time-consuming room, all of the other rooms were slightly easier or less time-consuming than their Season 3 counterparts. If this is truly the case, then we would expect for Robert and Olivia-Emma to have exited the temple with a substantial amount of time left on the clock, not just 0:01. In this case, how would Robert and Olivia-Emma be a "stronger" or "better" team? How could Jeweled Scabbard and Ivory Hunting Horn be considered "more generous" or "easier" than Applewood Amulet, when Applewood Amulet was a longer run with a less intense layout?


In response to Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis I:

I simply think it is a bit unfair that Lily-Crested Crown is treated as a forgettable episode, while other runs to feature "long-room" contestants (such as Veronica in the Pit, Jason in the Ancient Warriors, and Tony in Medusa's Lair) are strongly looked down upon. Why is there a discrepancy? In my opinion, if runs share qualities or attributes, they should (theoretically) be viewed or thought of similarly.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 06, 2014, 12:10:38 PM
I don't think people like the Emiliano Zapata win for the layout. I think most people like it for the down to the wire ending. I thought Olivia-Emma and Robert were solid players. Olivia-Emma's temple exit was solid too even though she had much less time than Ron, Jason (Icarus), and Kimberly. She still pulled the win off. And the one second win made the ending very memorable. Olivia-Emma and Robert probably would've lost with the Mush Pot Hat or Levitating Dog Leash layout maybe, but it would still be a close call. I think most people realize that this layout was easy, even though it used some of the hardest rooms of that layout. ;)

And trust me, Sforza gets A LOT of praise on this forum.  ;)  Maybe not so much now, but there are a lot of people that love this episode. You can go into some of the old members signatures and see that episode listed there as one of their favorites. And their layout was pretty tough to with the whole central shaft. But the reason nobody praises Sforza and Roland as much is probably because the endings in those runs weren't as close as Zapata's ending. And Roland was way too easy for Season 3 standards. Yakerra honestly should've beaten the Shaka Zulu record. Long story short though, people love the Zapata win mostly for the close ending and one second win. Galileo had an easy layout too, but it is loved for the close ending.  :mrsilver:  I like Sforza too, but it just has never grabbed me like Galileo or Emiliano Zapata.

As for Lily-Crested Crown, I think the episode is so forgettable that everyone overlooks Katie's performance. People talk about Stone Head and Bifocal Monocle a lot because those were more eventful episodes. It has always been like that. Even back then, no one ever talked about Lily-Crested Crown. But I think Katie deserves to be maligned just as bad as Veronica and Tony. The Chamber was not that hard where you had to spend over a minute in it. At least the four snakes head Medusa was a little forgivable where they even had to dumb down the objective.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 06, 2014, 04:19:28 PM
Anyone else think Upside Down Compass gets too much of a bad rap? Everyone thinks this is a terrible temple run (like, Bifocal Monocle, Xerxes level bad), all because Sherra and Derek didn't move that fast and had a peculiar temple design. Yes Sherra moved pretty slow in the temple. But that layout was hard. I really don't see how her entry into the Tomb was considered a "detour" or (my personal favorite) a "direct path." The Pit/Chamber door, and any door in the Chamber for that matter, didn't open until AFTER Sherra completed the objective. Derek was the one who missed the Pit/Chamber door. But even if Sherra and Derek had access to those said rooms, the results still would've been the same. And yes Derek dropped the monkey over the edge just before time ran out. But time was running out, and it was poor editing. So it's not like we literally saw Derek drop one of the monkey pieces. Henry Hudson is by no means an exciting episode. But it's not as terrible as people make it out to be. Sherra and Derek were extremely strong pre temple, and did make it pretty far with the layout they had. I think the hate they get is way too undeserved.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 06, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Anyone else think Upside Down Compass gets too much of a bad rap? Everyone thinks this is a terrible temple run (like, Bifocal Monocle, Xerxes level bad), all because Sherra and Derek didn't move that fast and had a peculiar temple design. Yes Sherra moved pretty slow in the temple. But that layout was hard. I really don't see how her entry into the Tomb was considered a "detour" or (my personal favorite) a "direct path." The Pit/Chamber door, and any door in the Chamber for that matter, didn't open until AFTER Sherra completed the objective. Derek was the one who missed the Pit/Chamber door. But even if Sherra and Derek had access to those said rooms, the results still would've been the same. And yes Derek dropped the monkey over the edge just before time ran out. But time was running out, and it was poor editing. So it's not like we literally saw Derek drop one of the monkey pieces. Henry Hudson is by no means an exciting episode. But it's not as terrible as people make it out to be. Sherra and Derek were extremely strong pre temple, and did make it pretty far with the layout they had. I think the hate they get is way too undeserved.

Derek and Sherra did not have much of a choice in how they traversed through the temple. The Ledges was the only way into the Pit, and only the Tomb of the Headless Kings opened from the Pit. All of the doors leading out of the Chamber of the Sacred Markers opened upon completion of that room, and the clustered placement of temple guards was very unusual for Season 3. The final few seconds' editing was a bit awkward, and Derek still dropped the piece of the statue at the end (not that it made a difference in how the run went). I wouldn't say that Upside-Down Compass of Henry Hudson was terribly exciting, but there were a few quirky aspects about the run. However, if Derek and Sherra had kept a faster pace through the temple, it would have made for a better run. I still would not consider it to be a bad run as it is.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 07, 2014, 12:48:01 AM
Yeah, Henry Hudson is not a bad temple run in anyway. Sherra and Derek were just kind of on the slow side, that was pretty much their only flaw. Their layout was pretty long and difficult too. This run probably got all the hate because people like outer space kept going around and calling Sherra a bad player for taking the direct path. Plus, I don't see how people can hold the Silver Monkey torso falling against Derek either. He only had 2 seconds to himself, so it was obvious he was rushing to get it together for a last second completion. It wasn't like Kelly from Montezuma who did not know how to handle more than one piece at a time. He probably wouldn't have done if he had more time.

And between Queen Boadicea and Empress Eugenie, what run do you guys think was better? I love the Boadicea run, but I can't lie though and I like Empress Eugenie a little better. Even though Nate and Lissy were probably the better team, the Eugenie run was more memorable and exciting. The temple guard encounters, Janeen's hesitance, Jay's screaming, and the Jester's Court production error make this run really memorable. Even though this team should've won more than the Boadicea one.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 07, 2014, 12:50:10 AM
Honestly, I find Queen Boadicea seriously, seriously overrated. Yes Nate was a great player, but Lissy was just too slow. Besides Nate's fast speed, this run was just plain boring. And the more love it gets, the more and more I dislike it honestly. No offense. =/ I like Good Luck Watch better, though Janeen wasn't a prize herself.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 07, 2014, 01:05:00 AM
I use to feel the exact same way about Red Sash. I thought Brandy and Quentin were way to hesitant in the temple. Over time though, I let them slide because that layout was very tough like Hans Holbein and Robert the Bruce. But yeah, Lissy is the reason why her team did not win. You should not be completing your third room with a minute going by. I like Empress Eugenie a little more also. Janeen's temple guards were hilarious and Jay knew that the temple was not the time to screw around. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 07, 2014, 01:14:22 AM
I mean, I know people say "Well, she was frazzled by the temple guards," but that's no excuse either. I realize she had a Season 3 Pit to deal with, but like you said, there's no reason for you to be completing your third room with just barely 2 minutes on the clock. And yeah, Good Luck Watch very pretty memorable for the temple guards Janeen ran into, and for Jay's overall speed. :lol: I like Red Sash too, but even that run isn't that exciting.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 08, 2014, 12:16:24 AM
I realize that it is commonplace to say that Lissy is the "reason" that she and Nate lost their temple run. However, I would like to bring up the fact that the majority of Season 3 contestants completed their third room objective with approximately 2 minutes on the clock. This does not include teams where the frontrunner was removed as they entered the third room, or runs where both entrance rooms were entered (making the Pit the third room). So, in terms of comparing Lissy to the average contestant, she was completely and entirely "on track." It's clear that she and Nate did not win, but I would not say that it was Lissy's "fault."

And as far as comparing Royal Torque of Queen Boadicea with Good-Luck Watch of Empress Eugenie, I would say that the Royal Torque team was more successful overall. Their path forced them to enter the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, which the Good-Luck Watch team did not need to complete. Even with having an extra room objective, Lissy and Nate still were able to reach their artifact and make more progress in exiting the temple. So while Janeen was memorable for her hesitations and temple guard encounters and Jay was very quick in the temple, Lissy and Nate were able to do more in less time, making then the statistically "better" team in terms of success.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 08, 2014, 12:31:34 AM
Yeah, there was no doubt that Lissy and Nate were a better team. They had to take a longer path and they grabbed the artifact with more time. Lissy was probably a better contestant than Janeen too. Not by much, but I am pretty sure if she was Jay's partner, then the Good-Luck Watch team would've won. The Queen Boadicea team was slightly stronger than the Good-Luck Watch team, mostly because Lissy was slightly better than Janeen. I kind of like Good-Luck Watch better because it is a pretty whacky run. :lol:

Also, another temple run I find a little overrated is Bandit Queen. Don't get me wrong, it is probably my favorite Silver Snakes win. But I never understood the extra love it seemed to get. People always rag on Egyptian Queen for Randy's exit and the easy layout, but Miriam's mistakes in Bandit Queen were more detrimental than Randy. And their layout was exactly the same. Miriam was almost as bad as Karisa in my book. If she was not taken out any sooner in the Dark Forest, then the Silver Snakes might've not won. Luckily, Zac knew how to run in the temple. But this run gets a little too much love sometimes. I love this run a lot, but it is pretty much on the same tier as Egyptian Queen. And I honestly like Egyptian Queen better than Bandit Queen.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 08, 2014, 12:56:25 AM
Yeah, I always liked Metal Beard better as well, and Metal Beard gets a lot of bad flak just because of Randy's exit plan. It's not like Randy was the only contestant to enter every single room of the temple upon exiting with the artifact. Brett from Dr. Livingstone anyone? But nobody ever talks about Brett because the Dr. Livingstone run as a whole was forgettable, win or not. Plus, both TJ AND Randy were fast in the Metal Beard run. Just Zac was fast in the Bandit Queen run, as Miriam was way too hesitant in the temple. I also prefer Metal Beard over Bandit Queen, like TRJ said.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on March 08, 2014, 01:25:50 AM
Had they not reduced the number of snakes to put into Medusa's head to 2, "The Lucky Medallion of Atocha" and "The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata" would've been losses. Imagine that.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 08, 2014, 01:30:12 AM
Don't forget Butch Cassidy too. Paula would probably have 10 seconds left on the clock if four snakes Medusa's Lair was in place for her layout.

Also, I still think Ty would've won too. I would think that as time went down the wire, he would probably pick up the pace a little bit. It's not like another two snakes would've taken him a long time anyways. He handled the first two snakes, and he was much more competent than Tony from Stone Head. I can trust Ty over most teams with that room.  :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 08, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
Had they not reduced the number of snakes to put into Medusa's head to 2, "The Lucky Medallion of Atocha" and "The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata" would've been losses. Imagine that.


That is interesting to think about.

Ty was a good contestant, but I don't think he would have "picked up the pace" if he was running out of time upon his exiting of the temple. Nearly all contestants kept their pace, even if time was running short. Some examples include Kristen (Polynesian Girl) and Nate (Queen Boadicea). Ty finished his run with 8 seconds left on the clock, and I believe he would have taken more than 8 seconds to place the other snakes. With four snakes, there were places to try each snake, which would have caused Ty to use up more time, even if he was a good contestant.

Robert and Olivia-Emma finished their run with 1 second on the clock as it was. Any additional obstacle placed before them would have resulted in this being a failed escape run.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 08, 2014, 01:12:37 PM
I'd like to think that some contestants would put up a better effort when their backs were against the walls. Especially when time was running low for them in the temple. Look at some contestants like Kristen from Polynesian Girl who really hauled ass on the bottom floor, Shem from Henry Morgan who completed the Observatory in like 6 seconds, and Katie from Imperial Wizard who ran her ass all the way to where Jared was taken out. Not at all contestants had the potential, but there were some that went "above and beyond" during crunch time. As for Atocha, I complete forgot Ty only finished with 8 seconds. I was thing he had 20 seconds left in his run. :P He was still a very solid runner, so I would think it would be an Applewood Amulet or Icarus ending if he had four snakes Medusa's Lair.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 16, 2014, 10:19:16 PM
What does everyone think of Billy the Kid? Back in the old days of the forums, it seemed like everyone hated this run just because of Tony's exit plan. And people would say they didn't deserve to win because this win was supposedly given to them on a silver platter. What do you guys think? Was this run deserved and a very strong performance by a very strong team? Or did you think the producers thought "You know what, this season is almost over, and the Purple Parrots still haven't won yet. Let's just give them this one out of pity." I want to hear your thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 17, 2014, 12:16:02 AM
Yeah, I remember some people comparing Billy the Kid to " :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: ". I definitely don't think Billy the Kid should rank low on the totem pole like Silk Ladder and Shaka Zulu. I don't think the producers gave Tony and Kelly a win on a silver platter either like they did for the last production day of the show. It was just luck of the draw that they ended up with a more simpler layout. Plus, it always felt like the Shrine temple runs had the simpler paths anyways. Davy Crockett, Roland,  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: , Dr. Livingstone, Bandit Queen, and Egyptian Queen were all similar paths to Billy the Kid. Even runs like Icarus and Poseidon had very simple paths too where the contestants reached the artifact with a lot of time.

As for the win itself, I think it deserves more credit that it already gets. A win to me is not always about the layout. This run is very memorable for the fact it was the very first Purple Parrot win and how strong Kelly and Tony were pre-temple rounds. And I don't think Tony's exit was that bad either. He could've been like Ron, Tara, and Jason who blew their runs by taking inefficient routes. The only real flaw to me was Tony detouring to the bottom of the Ledges. But he pulled it off in the end, and even with some time on the clock. I have no problems with this win or run at all. It's probably the Purple Parrots biggest shining moment next to Freydis.  :mrpurple:

Also, it always made me wonder if the producers kept track of "temple statistics"? Like did they realize the Purple Parrots never had a victory before Billy the Kid? And how certain runs like bottom of the central shaft artifacts were never successful? This is pretty interesting to think about. IIRC, in Zac's interview, the producers told him that he held the record for the fastest temple exit on the show. So it does make me wonder if the producers knew that the Purple Parrots were winless before Billy the Kid?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 17, 2014, 01:50:33 AM
Couldn't agree more, I thought Billy the Kid was a great run. Tony only made one mistake in detouring at the end of the Ledges at the end of the run. It's not like he was like Jason from Icarus, who was clueless from the beginning. Plus, their layout wasn't all that easy either. The Crypt, Laser Light Room, Jester's Court, not exactly the easiest rooms ever. I thought Billy the Kid was a very exciting run, and it's the first time the Purple Parrots truly proved they were a strong team. :mrpurple:

And I'm not sure about the producers knowing all the stats of all the teams. I'm pretty sure they know about how fast a player was running through the temple. Like with Zac that you mentioned, and I believe Joel was told by the producers he broke a bunch of records in his interview as well. So maybe they did know that the Purple Parrots has yet to score a victory. I couldn't really tell you on that.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 17, 2014, 02:30:47 AM
Billy the Kid is one of those wins that get picked on because the temple layout was supposedly easy. Some people act as if the temple layout only matters, especially on Youtube. But I don't like a win just for the players. This win probably ranks around in the middle for my favorite wins on the show. I am honestly stunned when people having runs like Trojan Horseshoe ahead of Billy the Kid. I have nothing against Trojan Horseshoe, but that run was unexciting. Billy the Kid was very memorable and you can't help but to root for Kelly and Tony. And the criticism that this run gets can be said about certain other runs too. Like Brett from Dr. Livingstone exit plan sucked more than Tony's. He wouldn't have won if his temple rooms weren't so easy. This is one of those runs that are given a hard time because it is popular. And people that complain about Tony and Kelly's layout don't realize that the players can't choose their episode. I am sure if the Purple Parrots were part of an episode like Silk Sash or Annie Oakley from that day, their layouts would be harder. They just happened to be part of the episode that featured a more simpler layout.

And I like to think that the producers did keep track of some sort of stats for each team and the temple. I think the best example is the Priceless Portrait episode. It was obvious they shoved that artifact in the Laser Light Room because they never used that room before for an artifact. And the producers almost always tried to use a room at least once for an artifact. Hopefully that makes sense. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 17, 2014, 02:46:50 AM
Plus, everyone praises Joel for screwing up with the monkey, AND pulling a Ron and Tara and going all the way down the central shaft. And his layout was easier than Kelly and Tony's layout. He had the luxury of moseying across a swamp and busting through the wall. All while avoiding a temple spirit in the process. Same with Shane from Tall Turban, which somehow gets compared to Billy the Kid. Mosey through a swamp, bust through the wall, ride elevator, among all things Shane did. Layouts are irrelevant, it's the players and their performance that matters. I honestly prefer Billy the Kid to Tall Turban, Dr. Livingstone, and even Enormous Iron Nose Ring because it had a more nailbiter ending. It honestly would've been a shame if Kelly and Tony lost, regardless of reason. I mean, look what happened to the Leopard Skin Cloak kids, even though Chandra not taking shortcuts was entirely her fault.

I also agree about the producers knowing some of the stats of the teams. And it's so obvious the Priceless Portrait was shoved into the Laser Light Room since an artifact was never ever placed in that room. The only other bottom central shaft run Season 2 had was Electrified Key. So that's the only way Priceless Portrait's artifact location could make sense. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on March 17, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
Plus, everyone praises Joel for screwing up with the monkey, AND pulling a Ron and Tara and going all the way down the central shaft. And his layout was easier than Kelly and Tony's layout. He had the luxury of moseying across a swamp and busting through the wall. All while avoiding a temple spirit in the process. Same with Shane from Tall Turban, which somehow gets compared to Billy the Kid. Mosey through a swamp, bust through the wall, ride elevator, among all things Shane did. Layouts are irrelevant, it's the players and their performance that matters. I honestly prefer Billy the Kid to Tall Turban, Dr. Livingstone, and even Enormous Iron Nose Ring because it had a more nailbiter ending. It honestly would've been a shame if Kelly and Tony lost, regardless of reason. I mean, look what happened to the Leopard Skin Cloak kids, even though Chandra not taking shortcuts was entirely her fault.

I also agree about the producers knowing some of the stats of the teams. And it's so obvious the Priceless Portrait was shoved into the Laser Light Room since an artifact was never ever placed in that room. The only other bottom central shaft run Season 2 had was Electrified Key. So that's the only way Priceless Portrait's artifact location could make sense. ;)
Technically, The Secret Battle Plan was intended for The Throne Room for S2L1 (And we all know the theory of the two keys in the pots), so who knows where The Electrified Key would've been in had that run gone through properly.

I wonder how certain teams would've fared had there been no production errors or postponements at all.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 17, 2014, 03:20:03 PM
I think the bottom of the central shaft room space was the most under represented room space on the show. Honestly, if they actually put more artifacts in that room space, then we would've had a victory for sure. Instead, that room space only had 2 artifacts in it for both Season 1 and 2. I am not sure why they never used it more either because it made an interesting temple run. And it was not impossible for teams to win either because the Queen Boadicea, Empress Eugenie, and Polynesian Girl teams all came close too. They would've had at least one victory if there were more artifacts in that room space.

Here are teams that were screwed over by production errors and postponements:

- Belshazzar (Postponement AND production error)
- Dead Man's Hand (Product errors galore)
- Nathan Hale (Postponement)
- Golden Stallion (Production error)
- War Fan (Production error)
- Pirate Captain (Production error, but they still won)
- Stone Marker (According to Keeli's interview, they had to restart the temple run 3 times at least)

I am probably missing some other runs too. There is no doubt that these teams would've done better if there weren't any production errors or postponement. Especially in Belshazzar where Sean and Katherine had their temple run postponed already and only for them to have a broken layout. If you watch the actual run, both players moved fast and tried taking every route possible to them. Even when Katherine ran into the dead end in the Room of Harmonic Convergence, she still record from it quickly. I think this team was screwed over the most out of all of the players on the list above.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 17, 2014, 04:03:39 PM
I really don't believe the pots theory at all. Honestly, I just think James and Christina were too exhausted to do the temple run, much like the Belshazzar kids. So that's the real reason they postponed it. I realize pots changed between temple runs, but I just don't think it was because there was problems with the pots. I know I'm alone on thinking this though.

And yeah, the Belshazzar kids really did get screwed over. They had worse luck than the War Fan kids.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 17, 2014, 09:46:43 PM
I am not too convinced by the pots theory myself, but I do think it is a more plausible explanation then some of the stuff said in the past like Christina being the one that puked in the Pit. It would be interesting though to see how different the Nathan Hale run would be if the artifact was in the Throne Room. I would assume that the temple guard layout would be different and it might not end in triple capture. However, Christina was still pretty slow in the temple and it would be like another "Benjamin Franklin" run where the team comes up short.

And I just rewatched the War Fan run today and I forgot how slow Elise was in this run. She took a long time to get to the Room of the Secret Password. I use to think that this team would've won if the production error did not occur. Now that I have watched it again, I think it would be a failed escape at best.

Out of all those teams, I think the Belshazzar team got screwed the most. They had their temple run postponed AND riddled with production errors. They probably would've won any other Shrine run in Season 1. I would give them and Dead Man's Hand a second chance in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 17, 2014, 10:31:24 PM
Yeah, the Christina puking in the pit theory is a little far fetched, but I just don't think the producers would postpone a run due to faulty props. Maybe they would've postponed it for a minute, get the new pots set up, then resume. But I never ever believed that pots theory from Day 1. I always assumed Christina and James were too tired to do the run, or one of them got sick backstage before the temple run even started.

And yeah, Elise was pretty slow in the War Fan run. Maybe it would be a stretch to say the team would've won, but that production error never should've happened, period. It wasn't Jeremy or Elise's fault the Tomb door got stuck. I also agree with you about the Belshazzar kids. They really got robbed, and they were easily one of the, if not the, unluckiest teams on the show. Their temple layout was just like Blackbeard, only Katherine and Sean actually knew what they were doing. If they had say, Silver Saddle Horn's layout, they would've won that layout for sure.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 19, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
I want to go back to discussing Billy the Kid for a second.

If it wasn't paired up with Cricket Cage in the tourneys, would you people still vote for it? Like, if it got paired up with Discarded Seal or Henry Morgan instead, would Billy the Kid still be your choice? And do you think it's gonna get far at all? Please answer me with your honest opinions. I just don't feel like Billy the Kid gets a lot of praise around here, it's more overlooked than Chandragupta.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 19, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
I would definitely go with Billy the Kid over Ivan the Terrible and Henry Morgan. All three episodes are classics, but Billy the Kid was a very special episode. I remember the whole episode all the way through and enjoyed every moment of it. Plus, Tony and Kelly's dominance really shines in this episode. Billy the Kid is one of those episodes where only a small handful of episodes could beat it. Ivan the Terrible was a great episode and Travis and Elisa rocked in it. But I don't remember much of the earlier rounds except the quick temple games. And the legend was kind of silly. Ivan the Terrible and Henry Morgan just don't stack up against Billy the Kid. I would probably vote even Billy the Kid over Chandragupta too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 19, 2014, 03:46:42 PM
I probably would've voted for Billy the Kid over Chandragupta, Henry Morgan, and maybe Discarded Seal too. Though Discarded Seal probably would've gotten my vote due to Travis and Elisa sweeping the temple games and their performance in the temple run. On the other hand, I've seen Discarded Seal over a million times and it was the first episode I ever saw on YouTube back in the day. Back when all we had for episodes on YouTube was Sir Gawain, Bandit Queen, and Lucky Pillow. I've seen Billy the Kid quite a bit too, but not nearly as much as the other four episodes I just mentioned.

Which leads me to another question. Are there any episodes you do get sick of watching? I mean, we always talk about episodes we never get sick of watching. But what about those episodes you've seen so many times you'd rather skip it? Just wondering. :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 19, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
If I could choose one episode that I am sick of the most, then it would be Poseidon. This episode was played like every other day on Nick GaS and it had to be an episode with a big fail. :roll: Luckily, the earlier rounds were pretty interesting. But still, the temple run leaves a bad taste in my mouth for this episode. I know that Sir Gawain was played as much as Poseidon, but that episode never gets old to me. I actually like Sir Gawain because it was entertaining all the way through. Poseidon was slightly above average until the temple run.

Other episodes I get sick of watching or hearing about:
- Cracked Crown
- Grandy Nanny
- Jean Lafitte
- Silver Saddle Horn
- Robert the Bruce
- Hans Holbein
- Butch Cassidy
- Geronimo
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 19, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
Silver Saddle Horn gets talked about a lot? I don't recall. There's nothing interesting about that episode. :huh: And I've grown tired of the Sir Gawain episode, since I used to watch it over a million times on YouTube. But I would never actually skip over it. It's memorable and an exciting episode in its own way.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 20, 2014, 02:47:52 PM
Yeah, Sir Gawain was probably the most overplayed episode along with Poseidon. I am pretty sure Nick GaS at least showed it every other day for like 3 weeks straight. Luckily, it was a creative and exciting episode like you mentioned. I almost never have to watch it because I memorized every round of it any way. But the temple win is pretty exciting despite what people might say about it.

Another episode that I get tired of hearing about is Ahmed Baba. This episode seems to get talked about way too much. I am not sure why, because there is nothing that stands out about this episode except the solo win where Shane enters every room of the temple. This is not a recent trend either, but has always been like that. Especially a few years back where some people called Lea and Tarrah overrated contestants for their solo wins, but Shane was "actually a good contestant" for his solo win. I will take Enormous Iron Nose Ring and Lucky Medallion any day over this episode.

Another one I forgot to mention to is Stone Head. This episode gets talked about way too much. This is mostly because of the long ass moat and how bad Tony screwed up in the temple. Especially the Medusa's Lair part gets talked about too much. It feels like we are beating a dead horse everytime Tony is mentioned. Like PP4L mentioned earlier, no one talks about Lily-Crested Crown and Katie's time she spent in her room. And no one talks about how Jessica from Magellan spends almost a minute in the Shrine. I definitely am tired of hearing about Tony.

And then we have the episodes like Golden Cricket Cage, Snow Cone, Alhambra, Lost Hammer, and Blackbeard that are brought up a lot too. Although those don't really bother me because I don't mind bashing those episodes. Especially Cricket Cage, that episode deserves to be maligned every waking second.  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 20, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
Yeah, I also find Shane overrated too. He was just an average player who just happened to dodge two temple guards. His layout was way too easy, that temple guard placement was basically asking for a win. Even the very first time I saw that run, I was just not impressed at all. Then we have Chandra from Leopard Skin Cloak, who had the exact same layout, with HARDER rooms, and made much better time than Shane ever did. They also both made the mistake of taking the elevator, and had artifacts in the central shaft. But Shane enters the King's Storeroom and still gets to keep going. But since the Purple Parrots always have terrible luck, Chandra gets taken out one room away. :roll:

So let me ask you this, which player do you prefer? Shane or Chandra? Forget about who won, and forget about who had what layout. Like I've said before, layouts are irrelevant to me. Which contestant did you like better and why.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 21, 2014, 01:01:03 AM
Shane was pretty good compared to most Season 2 contestants, but I don't see how he did anything special that puts him ahead of the rest of the boys from that season. Ty had a strong and fast performance, Joel was amazingly fast despite his bad temple exit, Jason from Nostradamus was fast and use the Dog Leash in the Pit, Tony from Billy the Kid move through the temple swiftly, Shem hauled ass through the temple, etc. Shane just completed most of his rooms at an average pace. Chandra gets my vote because she was stronger and more memorable to me than Shane. Plus, Chandra's layout was tougher than Shane's also. The Jester's Court and Room of the Secret Password were harder than the Swamp and Lightning Room. Plus, the one room away guard was very cheap. The Green Monkeys wouldn't have even reached the Turban if they had the one room away guard. I honestly like The Trojan Horseshoe better than Ahmed Baba.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 21, 2014, 02:15:11 AM
One thing that irks me is that Shane is somehow comparable to Tony from Billy the Kid. Shane enters almost every single room of the temple, and completely lucks into his temple layout, but he gets nothing but praise. But Tony makes one mistake of detouring into the Ledges, and he's suddenly a bad player. How are Shane and Tony on the same wavelength when they are two completely different temple runs? Yes Tony's layout was pretty easy too, but his temple run came down to the wire. Shane's temple run was just plain boring and dragged on. Shane is in no way, shape, or form an amazing player. Ty, Joel, and even Tony were stronger and faster players than him, like you said above.

And I also prefer Chandra to Shane. Her layout was MUCH harder, with the Crypt and the Jester's Court, instead of the Ledges and moseying across a Swamp. And Chandra made much better time than Shane did too. I believe Chandra was removed from the temple with 53 seconds on the clock. While Shane entered the King's Storeroom with about 35 seconds left. Only Shane gets to win, and Chandra is taken out one room away. :roll: Both Leopard Skin Cloak and Billy the Kid put together, were far more exciting than the completely average Very Tall Turban. Shane was a decent player sure, but he wasn't THAT great.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 21, 2014, 05:41:58 PM
One thing that people also overlook for Shane is that he almost went down the central shaft after grabbing the Turban. I have to give him credit for NOT pulling a Ron/Tara and blowing the win, but he did almost make the same mistake as them. But overall, Chandra was a consistently better contestant than Shane in her episode. She definitely made better time than Shane also, who took the same path as Chandra but had easier rooms. The only good thing I have to say about the Ahmed Baba run is that it is interesting to watch if you want to see a lot of the temple rooms being completed. Especially the rare completion of the Lightning Room. But it just does not stack up well against most wins in Season 2.

And I can't believe I forgot to mention that I am sicking of hearing about Shaka Zulu. This run must be brought up in every video on Youtube. Yes Youtubers, we know that Shaka Zulu was the fastest win. We know that a production error occurred in that episode too. It's like you are watching an episode like Benzibab and you scroll down the comments and see "The Silver Snakes had a very fast win, but Shaka Zulu holds the best time". It definitely is the most overtalked about run on the whole show, whether people are calling it the best win or not. THIS is the episode I am most sick of right now.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 21, 2014, 06:23:18 PM
Yeah, I hate Shaka Zulu. :roll: It is extremely overrated on YouTube. Even someone on Ed's site called the run "amazing" and "impressive" just for one reason. And that reason is "he was fast and won in quick time. So therefore it's the best win ever." I realize everyone is entitled to their opinions and everything, like I get that. But there's so much more to a win than a path someone takes and however quick the time is. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 22, 2014, 12:44:55 AM
I definitely don't think Bobby would've won if his team was forced to take the long way in the temple. Since he met a guard in the Cave of Sighs, there was definitely one on the upper floor. Probably in the Shrine. So he probably would've been taken out with 1:40 left and Brittany would've had a long path tot follow. And assuming she wasn't slow like most Season 1 girls, she would've grabbed the Mask with very little time. This is probably the most undeserving win next to  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: . At least people don't gush over Silk Ladder as much as Shaka Zulu.  :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 22, 2014, 12:49:46 AM
Well, now you're just stating the obvious.

And here's a question: We always give Tony and Kelly so much credit for dominating every round. So do Jeremy and Erika deserve credit for doing nearly the same thing? I personally don't think they deserve it, but tell me what you think. And feel free to use as many smileys as you want. Since I know you just love to do that for this particular episode.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 22, 2014, 01:05:30 AM
Kelly and Tony's dominance was much more impressive than Jeremy and Erika's. Tony and Kelly won the Steps of Knowledge, while Jeremy and Erika won a pretty pathetic round that featured a lot of bad answers. Plus, Tony and Kelly's temple win was definitely better quality than the Silk Ladder run. I know you can't choose your layout, but you should not be finishing with 33 seconds left like the Silk Ladder team did. Erika actually did a good job in the temple, but Jeremy was clueless and so slow. He is the reason why this run gets the  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: . Kelly and Tony were an all around better team than Jeremy and Erika. ;)

Also, Jennifer and Damian finished first in the moat, first in the Steps, two pendants in the temple games, AND won in the temple. They are probably the team that would give Tony and Kelly a run for their money. But the only thing that drags them down was that the team really should've won 1.5 Pendants instead of 2 Pendants. This is NOT their fault because of Kirk's inability to do simple math. But this ruins their chance to overtake Kelly an Tony, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 22, 2014, 02:31:19 AM
Yeah, Kelly and Tony definitely earned their win more, and were MUCH stronger in general. They owned everything, no wonder they're statistically the strongest team on the show. Same with Jennifer and Damian, who are still a strong team and still DID win 2 pendants after all. Even if Kirk really can't count. :lol: Jeremy and Erika were pretty dominant too, but I still just wasn't impressed with them. I mean, I can't really fault Erika since she was pretty speedy. It was Jeremy who annoyed me the moat. Silk Ladder could've been an easy Purple Parrots win. I'm sure that even if they were lackluster in the temple games, they would've been a faster team. And time and time again we always say how Xerxes, Butch Cassidy, Cricket Cage, and Lucky Pig should've been Purple Parrot temple runs. But what about Silk Ladder? Should that have been a Purple Parrot temple run as well? Or would that be overdoing it on the Purple Parrot love? :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 22, 2014, 02:32:37 AM
Here's a different question:

Do you think Legends fans would have different opinion on runs like Smashed Printing Plate (Dana), William Tell (Lauren), and Melted Head (Jennifer) would be a little different if the female partners were not screaming at their male partners? Like, would these runs get less criticism if these girls did less screaming? And would we forgive their short time in the temple?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 22, 2014, 02:41:07 AM
Jennifer definitely, since she gets way too much undeserved flack to begin with. But Lauren and Dana? Definitely no. They would still be considered clueless and incompetent, screaming or not. Because they just made little to no progress whatsoever.

And really, which episodes would've been better if the Purple Parrots went to the temple instead? I know we have an old thread on this. But which Purple Parrot teams would've done a better job than the team that actually went to the temple?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 22, 2014, 02:42:01 AM
Yeah, Kelly and Tony definitely earned their win more, and were MUCH stronger in general. They owned everything, no wonder they're statistically the strongest team on the show. Same with Jennifer and Damian, who are still a strong team and still DID win 2 pendants after all. Even if Kirk really can't count. :lol: Jeremy and Erika were pretty dominant too, but I still just wasn't impressed with them. I mean, I can't really fault Erika since she was pretty speedy. It was Jeremy who annoyed me the moat. Silk Ladder could've been an easy Purple Parrots win. I'm sure that even if they were lackluster in the temple games, they would've been a faster team. And time and time again we always say how Xerxes, Butch Cassidy, Cricket Cage, and Lucky Pig should've been Purple Parrot temple runs. But what about Silk Ladder? Should that have been a Purple Parrot temple run as well? Or would that be overdoing it on the Purple Parrot love? :P

Jeremy was a pretty lousy player in Silk Ladder. He acted like a moron in the moat and his temple performance was sucky.  :roll: I like how he felt the need to slow down on the steps as he approached the gates. :roll: And Silk Ladder would've been an easy win for Dustin and Nicole too. I don't see how any team could lose that layout. Unless they were incompetent like Ron and Tara and didn't know how exit the temple. But I have to say that I think it is a good thing that Silk Ladder is NOT a Purple Parrot victory. ;) It would've made Billy the Kid less special and people would probably rag on the Purple Parrots even more for having the easiest layout ever. I even think John and Tia would reach the Silk Ladder in that run. After all, Tia pushed the Heart Room actuator in Golden Cricket Cage. It would've worked in Silk Ladder.  :shock:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 22, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
Jennifer definitely, since she gets way too much undeserved flack to begin with. But Lauren and Dana? Definitely no. They would still be considered clueless and incompetent, screaming or not. Because they just made little to no progress whatsoever.

And really, which episodes would've been better if the Purple Parrots went to the temple instead? I know we have an old thread on this. But which Purple Parrot teams would've done a better job than the team that actually went to the temple?

This is how I see it:

- Golden Cricket Cage: The Silver Snakes were an atrocious team in the temple, and the Purple Parrots would've done better than John and Tia. This was pretty much a given.
- Golden Ship: Gabby and Joe were way too slow in the temple. Imagine if a player moved like Robbie or Shane from Oracle Bowl? This run would've had over 2 minutes left. I think the Purple Parrots would've finished with more time than Joe and Gabby.
- Lucky Pig: Kristen was a waste of space who did not know what she was doing... at all. Annie wouldn't have acted like this. This layout was honestly not that hard aside from the one room away guard. I mean Kristen still made it one room away despite entering almost every room. A competent player would've had more success than Kristen.
- Golden Chains: Even though the Purple Parrots looked bad in the temple games, I can't see them sucking as bad as Justin. :roll:
-  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: : It would've been their first victory, but I would say it is a good thing they did not make it to the temple. ;)
- Butch Cassidy: Another episode that would've been an easy win. They might've not been as fast as Paula, but they would've won it handily.
- Attila the Hun: Rachelle was too slow to be a frontrunner even though she had bad luck with her temple run. I don't see the Purple Parrots moving as slow.
- Smashed Printing Plate: Even though the Purple Parrots got swept, we know that Jason cheated in this episode. The Purple Parrots probably would've pulled a Queen Boadicea and grab the artifact AND not be so annoying. :roll:
- Enormous Feather: The Purple Parrots probably wouldn't have been as retarded as Karisa. I mean if she could reach the Feather, why couldn't they?
- Empress Eugenie: This run was set up to be favorable for the temple team, but Janeen had to ruin it. The Purple Parrots probably would've given us a bottom of the central shaft run.

These are the episodes where I see the Purple Parrots posting better outcomes. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 22, 2014, 02:57:24 AM
Yeah, I never thought of that before about the Silk Ladder victory. :shock: What if Dustin and Nicole of the Purple Parrots actually made it to the temple, and their run was actually pretty good? Assuming of course they didn't move slow and act smug while crossing the finish line. Then Billy the Kid would be more overlooked than ever. And then some of the criticisms of it like "it's too boring!" or "Tony's exit plan was bad!" would've actually been justified. It would've been on the same level as Dr. Livingstone and Cleopatra as forgettable and not talked about as much. But then again, the Purple Parrots in Silk Ladder probably still would've picked on for having an easy layout. Maybe not as much as what actually happened in the temple run, with Jeremy and Erika and all. :lol: But yeah, that was gonna be a victory no matter who won. Even John and Tia would've won with that layout. Though I don't even want to begin to imagine those two in that temple. O_O
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 22, 2014, 03:20:59 AM
This is how I see it:

- Golden Cricket Cage: The Silver Snakes were an atrocious team in the temple, and the Purple Parrots would've done better than John and Tia. This was pretty much a given.
- Golden Ship: Gabby and Joe were way too slow in the temple. Imagine if a player moved like Robbie or Shane from Oracle Bowl? This run would've had over 2 minutes left. I think the Purple Parrots would've finished with more time than Joe and Gabby.
- Lucky Pig: Kristen was a waste of space who did not know what she was doing... at all. Annie wouldn't have acted like this. This layout was honestly not that hard aside from the one room away guard. I mean Kristen still made it one room away despite entering almost every room. A competent player would've had more success than Kristen.
- Golden Chains: Even though the Purple Parrots looked bad in the temple games, I can't see them sucking as bad as Justin. :roll:
-  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: : It would've been their first victory, but I would say it is a good thing they did not make it to the temple. ;)
- Butch Cassidy: Another episode that would've been an easy win. They might've not been as fast as Paula, but they would've won it handily.
- Attila the Hun: Rachelle was too slow to be a frontrunner even though she had bad luck with her temple run. I don't see the Purple Parrots moving as slow.
- Smashed Printing Plate: Even though the Purple Parrots got swept, we know that Jason cheated in this episode. The Purple Parrots probably would've pulled a Queen Boadicea and grab the artifact AND not be so annoying. :roll:
- Enormous Feather: The Purple Parrots probably wouldn't have been as retarded as Karisa. I mean if she could reach the Feather, why couldn't they?
- Empress Eugenie: This run was set up to be favorable for the temple team, but Janeen had to ruin it. The Purple Parrots probably would've given us a bottom of the central shaft run.

These are the episodes where I see the Purple Parrots posting better outcomes. ;)
Out of your list:

- Cricket Cage: Agreed. Any team would've been better than them. No further explanation there.
- Golden Ship: I kind of disagree here. I mean, what if their run DID end with 2+ minutes on the clock? It would certainly make that Purple Parrot team look worse than Joe and Gabby did.
- Lucky Pig: Agreed. Annie may have been short, but at least she wouldn't have walked through every room in all of three minutes. And Scott would've been just as supportive there too. Hell if Annie had avoided the Gargoyle Room guard, she probably would've recorded a solo victory. And it probably would've been a close finish too.
- Golden Chains: Disagree with this one too. I mean, if the Parrots here were as bad as they were in the temple games, imagine how they would've handled the Treasure Room dead end. O_O
- :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: : Agree. With both your sentiments on the Parrots doing a better job, and how it's a good thing they didn't win. See my other rant on that. ;)
- Butch Cassidy: Agreed. There's no reason why the Purple Parrots wouldn't have won this layout. And they probably would've won the whole thing with 2 pendants too.
- Attila the Hun: I disagree with this one. The Parrots were just as weak in the temple games as Rachelle and Taylor were. Plus, the Purple Parrot girl Jill had no enthusiasm whatsoever. Kind of like Tracy from Cleopatra.
- Smashed Printing Plate: Agreed. I don't care if the Purple Parrots got destroyed in the temple games. This layout really wasn't hard at all and the Purple Parrots there probably would've reached the artifact. Ala either Queen Boadicea (like you mentioned), or Good Luck Watch. Plus, they wouldn't have yelled at each other during the temple run. -_-
- Enormous Feather: Agreed. It's only safe to say the Purple Parrots wouldn't have stood around like idiots in the Quicksand Bog. :roll:
- Empress Eugenie: Disagree with this one. Yes Janeen was too slow, but the Parrots in this episode really rather slow and incompetent in the temple games. Especially the Purple Parrot girl Courtney if you remember her.

Out of that list, the only ones I disagree about Golden Ship, Golden Chains, Attila the Hun, and Good Luck Watch. Otherwise, are right on the money with the rest of them. ;) And you also forgot Nzinga, Lily Crested Crown, and most importantly, Xerxes. I mean, the latter episode is up for voting in the tourney thread right now. Certainly you think Zac's little bro would've done better in the temple, right? :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 09:03:22 AM
The Purple Parrots in Xerxes would do much better than Noelle and Pat. The bottom floor in Season 3 was not so hard that it would require a team to use all 3 minutes to complete. Some players like TJ and David (Enormous Feather) completed the bottom floor in almost a minute. Levi and Candace would've made it to the top floor for sure in Xerxes.

Queen Nzinga is another obvious choice I can't believe I forgot. :o This temple run was really really easy, and the Red Jaguars still blew it in one of the worst outcomes on the show. Renee also passed up the same half-pendant that was found by... Claude from Lost Lion Tail. :roll:

Lily-Crested Crown is kind of questionable though for me. The Orange Iguanas sucked in this episode, but I don't recall the Purple Parrots being much stronger. Although if the Purple Parrots went to the temple, this run would've been more like Pearl Necklace where the team comes close.

One more I want to mention is Lost Taj Mahal Turban. Chrystine and Dean did come close and I don't entirely blame them for the triple capture (the half-pendant was pretty high above the door), but Dean moved a little slow for a frontrunner. I would give this run an honorable mention.

Also, I don't think the Purple Parrots would look pathetic if the Golden Ship run ended with 2:00+ left on the clock. The temple guard layout was unfair in that run and the half-pendant was no where in sight. I don't have a problem with Gabby and Joe already going through 4 rooms. I wouldn't really have a problem with the Purple Parrots either. ;)

We know the Green Monkeys were dominant in the temple too and they hardly had any glaringly weak temple run. What do you guys think was their worst run?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Silver Monkey on March 23, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
We know the Green Monkeys were dominant in the temple too and they hardly had any glaringly weak temple run. What do you guys think was their worst run?

Probably either Xerxes or William Tell. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 03:53:44 PM
And also Golden Spider Web and Cosa Rara were pretty weak Green Monkey runs too. Though at least Cosa Rara had one strong player, Justin. Jessica was way too slow and hesitant. In the other aforementioned runs, (Golden Spider Web, Xerxes, Dried Apple Half), both players were terrible. Thankfully, the Green Monkeys didn't have a lot of bad runs. :mrgreen:

And I disagree about Taj Mahal Turban being another Purple Parrot run. Dean and Chrystine really weren't that bad of a team, it was just Dean who moved too slow. That temple run probably would've turned out better if Chrystine had gone in first instead. Since she was faster, just like Katie from Mystical Spellbook was faster than Jared in that run. And I really don't think the Purple Parrots would've done a better job in Golden Ship. I wouldn't blame any team for missing a half pendant that wasn't hidden well in the first place. But even if the Parrots had gone to the temple instead, the results would've been.... the same thing. Only they would probably lose in quicker time. And then everyone would mock that temple run and call the Parrots "the loser team" for having such a supposedly bad temple run. You know casual viewers and how they love to nitpick. :roll: Plus, they weren't that strong in the temple games either. I really don't think they would've done a better job.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 06:26:49 PM
These are the bottom 5 Green Monkeys runs in my mind:

5.) Lost Fountain of Youth - The temple guard layout was unfair and cheap, but this team was not that good either. James moved slow in each room and failed to take a vital shortcut.  Jessica didn't even know what she was doing at all either. A team like Map to the Lost Gold Mine or Lawrence of Arabia would've reached the artifact at least.

4.) Robert the Bruce - This layout was very tough, but Christine was slow and Jeremy was pretty bad. He kept stalling in each room of the temple and missed an obvious half-pendant. One temple run I am sick of watching.

3.) Cosa Rara - Justin was awesome, but Jessica was really bad. She only added one room of progress after Justin was taken out with 1:45 left. And she never assembled the Silver Monkey either. :roll:

2.) William Tell - Brett moved slow as a frontrunner, but Lauren was even more worthless. You should not be entering your third completed room with a minute left to yourself. Plus, her annoying voice makes this run hard to watch. :roll:

1.) Marble Armrest - Pat and Noelle didn't even make it past the bottom floor of the Season 3 temple...

Luckily, the Green Monkeys never had a lot of bad runs. And all of these layouts above had really tough paths to the artifacts too. Still no excuse for how bad they turned out. The only other team with a lack of bad runs are the Blue Barracudas. Stone Head and Mary Shelley are the only two bad Barracuda runs that come to mind.  :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 06:29:10 PM
Does Jean Lafitte mean anything to you? ;) That run was pretty bad. :oops: Also, the Silk Sash temple run was pretty subpar as well.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 06:31:42 PM
Yeah, Jean Lafitte and Silk Sash were both runs where neither team came close to their artifacts. And both teams were running all over the place too. Both runs definitely belong on that list. Although Silk Sash had the over-the-top temple guards at least.  :lol: Also, I think Magellan deserves an honorable mention too. Jessica was a really bad player  :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 06:40:46 PM
Yeah, it took Jessica 33 seconds to assemble the monkey. :oops: And she detoured into the Room of Harmonic Convergence for no reason. I definitely agree that Magellan was also a pretty lackluster run too. Were there any other contestants who took forever assembling the monkey? Larry and Kelly from Montezuma don't count, since they didn't even know how to assemble a monkey.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
Kristen from Amelia Earhart spent almost as long as Jessica too. Her Silver Monkey assembly time was close to 30 seconds herself. Terry Kay from Jean Lafitte would've taken almost 40+ seconds to assemble hers if she had more time. Larry and Kelly were the worst though and they didn't get the job done with a minute to themselves. :roll:

Also, Shane from Ahmed Baba took a long time to assemble the Silver Monkey too. I also think Joel from Enormous Iron Nose Ring took the longest for a temple victor. Which shows that all that he was good for was his really fast speed. He didn't really have any objectives on the bottom floor of the temple, which is why he completed it so quickly.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 06:52:57 PM
Yeah, Joel is overrated. He may have been fast, but he was far from skilled. Can you say lucking into your path? Really now. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 06:55:33 PM
Yeah, his path was very generous. No temple guards + a pretty simple path to the artifact resulted in a fast win for him despite the mistakes he made. Let's not forget how he pulled a Ron and still managed to win with a lot of time. If that happened in almost any other layout with a long path like Two-Cornered Hat, he would't have won.  :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
No kidding.

So what's another run besides Silver Horseshoe and Shaka Zulu do you consider overrated? Are there any Purple Parrot runs that YOU think get too much credit? Give me your honest opinion. And I know you can find a Purple Parrot run you don't like that others do. Come on, don't be shy. You know you want to tell me what you really think. :|
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
There is really no Purple Parrot run that I find to be overrated. The ones that get all the praise usually deserve it. At one time I use to consider Freydis overrated, but now that is my favorite Purple Parrot run. Especially after you realize how strong Tarrah was in the temple and what she went through to score her win.  :mrpurple:

As a Red Jaguars fan, I have to say that Montezuma is kind of overrated. There were too many flaws in that run and yet it somehow ranks in the top lists for the Red Jaguars. I guess most of the Red Jaguars runs are average or just plain bad.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 07:11:59 PM
Yeah, most Purple Parrot temple runs are either really underrated, or really are truly bad. And even then, there were only two bad Purple Parrot runs at the most. :mrpurple: As for the Red Jaguars, Montezuma is a run I actually happen to like. Yes the players made too many mistakes, but would anyone even remember the run at all if it weren't for the epic fail with the monkey? No, they wouldn't. The only Red Jaguar runs I like are Napoleon, Montezuma, and Catherine the Great. That's all I can think of. The rest are either too average or just plain terrible. Catherine the Great is probably the only temple run where I actually wanted to see a Red Jaguar team succeed. It was the one and only time I gave a damn about them at all.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 23, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
Here is a list of the bottom 5 runs for each team:

Red Jaguars
1. Blackbeard
2. Alhambra
3. Queen Nzinga
4. Missing Weather Maps
5. Golden Ship

Blue Barracudas
1. Stone Head
2. Jean Lafitte
3. Mysterious Manuscript
4. Lucky Pig
5. Silk Sash

Green Monkeys
1. Xerxes
2. Dried Apple Half
3. Cosa Rara
4. Robert the Bruce
5. Lost Fountain of Youth

Orange Iguanas
1. Bifocal Monocle
2. Cracked Crown
3. Shiva
4. Enormous Feather
5. Lily-Crested Crown

Purple Parrots
1. Oracle Bowl
2. Lost Lion Tail
3. Sultan Suleiman
4. Henry Hudson (filler choice)
5. Golden Pepperoni (filler choice)

Silver Snakes
1. Golden Cricket Cage
2. Lost Hammer
3. Nathan Hale
4. Mata Hari
5.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

The Silver Snakes or Red Jaguars had the worst runs overall.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 23, 2014, 08:48:21 PM
And the Purple Parrots had the least. Even though some people love to claim that every single temple run they had was bad. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 25, 2014, 01:10:32 AM
I know I'm overdoing it with the Purple Parrot questions, but I have another one to ask, sorry. :P

Which run does everyone prefer: Metal Beard or Dr. Livingstone? Both temple runs had identical layouts, both second runners entered every single room of the temple, and both teams won with about 5 seconds left. Which temple run do you like better and why?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on March 25, 2014, 01:19:52 AM
I like the Metal Beard of the Egyptian Queen [Hatshepsut] better because they had to do it with one pendant.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 25, 2014, 01:20:58 AM
Yeah, and TJ and Randy were faster. What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on March 25, 2014, 07:03:00 AM
Metal Beard easily. Season 3 and a terrible exit plan, and they had MORE time left than Brett and Tabitha.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on March 25, 2014, 08:33:10 AM
I know people give Kim a lot of flack for what she did in "The Missing Weather Maps" episode, and she deserves all the flack in the world, but Nick did made a big mistake. Beelining for the direct path. And boy, does he do it so blatantly, not even bothering to swing across the Pit and just jumping straight into the bottom to the Laser Light Room. Had he not done that, it could've been a close reach. Not saying he didn't haul ass in the Temple, but that mistake would've save him at least one room. Still, Kim was just horrific.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 25, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
Egyptian Queen is much better than Dr. Livingstone in every aspect. The run was more memorable, featured a stronger performance, and the layout was more harder than Dr. Livingstone. The only thing the Dr. Livingstone kids had to do was pull a snake from a jar. All of their other rooms were actuator rooms or rooms where they can simply run through.

As for Charles Lindbergh, Nick tried a little too hard to take a direct path. Had he avoided the Ledges, then he would've been taken out in the Shrine instead. But I still blame Kim entirely for this loss. She had two minutes to complete two rooms and reach the artifact and yet she runs past the Dark Forest before time was up.  :roll: What an embarrassing player and you can tell Nick was pissed off at her.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on March 25, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
I also blame Kim for the loss of "The Missing Weather Maps of Charles Lindbergh". She was a little slow, but when she finished the King's Storeroom, the went to the Observatory instead of the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. When she finished the monkey, she went to the Room of the Secret Password, instead of going directly into the Dark Forest. Shame really TBH.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 25, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Yeah, Kim deserves all the blame. But Nick did beeline for a direct path. That's nothing compared to Kim of course. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 25, 2014, 10:05:48 PM
Do you guys think that Lawrence of Arabia is an overrated run? I was reading a lot of older threads earlier and some people went to say that David was average and that he only won because had a Season 1 layout. I personally don't think it is overrated one bit. I would go as far as to say that this is my favorite win. And looking at some other people's sig, I can tell that it is their favorite win too. Do you guys think that this run gets too much love?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 25, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
No way, Lawrence of Arabia is a fantastic run. It's literally one of the only Season 1 runs I even like. David owned everything. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 25, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
No way, Lawrence of Arabia is a fantastic run. It's literally one of the only Season 1 runs I even like. David owned everything. :mrgreen:

I always loved this episode since day one.  :mrgreen: I think in the past that people overlooked David because he was a Season 1 guy. Some people seem to think that only the players in later seasons matter because they had to face a tougher temple. But look at it this way. David had no knowledge of the temple at all. He didn't know better about avoiding the Cave of Sighs and Fallen Columns like the later season contestants were able to. He didn't know that the direct path could be detrimental. David was awesome and we would've owned the later season temple as well. He probably wouldn't have made these mistakes either in the later season temple because he could watch past temple runs to gain an advantage. Zac from Bandit Queen even did this before his temple run. Contestants like Lea, Jennifer (Gold Mine), Damian, Robbie, Tina, Tara, Danny, Jammin Josh, and David would've owned in any of the seasons of the show.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 25, 2014, 10:21:28 PM
I agree, especially with Tara and Danny from Sir Edmund Hilary. They had a tough layout, and moved pretty quickly for the most part. They even reached their artifact too. The only reason the team lost was because of Tara's bad exit plan. Either way, it was still a solid run. :mrsilver:

I also agree about Season 1 players in general. They obviously didn't know that taking the direct path may or may not be detrimental. If the likes of Lea, David, Jennifer, etc. DID take on their layouts in a Season 2 and 3 temple, they probably wouldn't have made those mistakes. And I would honestly go as far as saying they still would've won their respective layouts too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 01, 2014, 10:19:36 PM
Both Sforza and Benzibab are runs that were both wins from the same day. Both runs were part of a production day with generous layouts. And most of the time, these two runs are usually eliminated in games close to each other due to their simplistic layouts. Now here is a question. What win did you guys enjoy more? Sforza or Benzibab? I want to hear what you guys have to say. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 01, 2014, 10:22:45 PM
I kind of like Sforza better. I just found it to be more exciting, and I liked both Lacey and Asher's enthusiasm at the end. Plus, their layout was a little harder. Lacey and Asher had to traverse the entire central shaft, in a Season 3 temple. That's no easy feat for anyone. Benzibab is a good temple run too, but I find it a little overrated. Annie and Kevin were both very fast, but all they had to do was clear the bottom floor, climb slide, grab artifact, and run. I realize both teams completed the same amount of rooms, but I just found Sforza more exciting, and a little harder of a layout. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 01, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
Interesting, because it is the other way around for me. :P I liked Benzibab a little better because it was fun to watch Kevin and Annie destroy the temple. Even if their layout was easy, finishing with over a minute left as a team is still no fluke. And I am not a fan of many wins that finish with a lot of time either. Plus, Kirk's excitement and ending with the high five was pretty memorable too.  :mrsilver: Sforza is good too and it is not as bad as people make it out to be. Lacey and Asher did a good job too and their layout was definitely not that easy. But in the end I like Benzibab a little better. Even if wins like Enormous Iron Nose Ring, Sforza, and Benzibab are regarded as being overrated, I still enjoy them as long as people don't gush over them too much. ;)  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 01, 2014, 10:37:41 PM
Yeah, they're not gushed about as much as Silver Horseshoe and Shaka Zulu is. :P

And here's another comparison one. Which temple run did you prefer more: Buddha or Freydis? I clearly like Freydis the best, since Tarrah's layout was harder AND it was more exciting and memorable. Buddha to me just wasn't very exciting. I realize both paths are identical, but Freydis came down to the wire, while Buddha was just plain average. What do you think? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 01, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
Freydis, easily and it is not even close. This run is a classic win that every Legends fan should watch and it has everything that Buddha will never have. Freydis was exciting, memorable, a strong performance, and had a very close ending. I can't believe people call Tarrah overrated after what she had to go through. She made good time in the temple, and she grabbed her artifact with the same amount of time as Shane did. And Tarrah had harder rooms and was more shorter than Shane. I don't think some people realize how strong Tarrah was for taking that fall in the Pit and recovering from it to score a last second win. That was a very solid effort that gets overlooked.  :mrpurple:

Buddha is not that bad of a win, but has nothing on Freydis. Jennifer did get the job done, but it is like Ahmed Baba where nothing amazing happens. Although I remember a time this win got a lot of praise. As a matter of fact, Jennifer from Buddha won one of the "Best Legends Girls" games a while ago. :o I mean she did good, but how did she even win that in the first place?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 01, 2014, 10:52:39 PM
Wait, she won a "Best Legends Girls" contest? When was this, and how come I never knew about it? :o

But yeah, Freydis is a much better win than Buddha because Tarrah had a much harder layout. I mean, Laser Light Room, Jester's Court, Dark Forest, Shrine, King's Storeroom, all of those were objectives that weren't very easy. In Buddha, all Jennifer had for objectives was Wheel Room, Tomb, and Shrine. Plus, she did move pretty slow in the temple too. The only time Jennifer moved even remotely fast was when she was exiting the temple. And like you said, nothing interesting happens either. In Freydis, Tarrah jumps across the Pit, breaks the bucket, and still finishes with one second to spare. If that doesn't say memorable, I don't know what does. I basically second everything you said. :mrpurple:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 01, 2014, 10:57:06 PM
http://phantomstemple.us.to/index.php?topic=1745.855 (http://phantomstemple.us.to/index.php?topic=1745.855)

I never took part of this competition because I was not active at that time. But wow, how could Jennifer possibly win this game?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 01, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Oh, that thread. I never took part in that either. :roll:

If Tarrah had won, I wouldn't have had a problem with that. But Jennifer? I can hardly see how that makes any kind of sense. So let me ask you this, who do you think was the best player of Season 2? Does Tarrah deserve that title, or do players like Missy, Ty, and Olivia Emma deserve it more? I personally thought Missy was the best player, but that's just me. Discuss.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 01:01:08 PM
Here is the top 10 players of Season 2 in my opinion:

1. Missy (Annie Taylor)
2. Ty (Atocha)
3. Olivia-Emma (Applewood Amulet)
4. Shem (Henry Morgan)
5. Tarrah (Milk Bucket)
6. Jason (Nostradamus)
7. Tony (Billy the Kid)
8. Joel (Enormous Iron Nose Ring)
9. Nick (Charles Lindbergh)
10. Matt (Dolley Madison)

I agree with Missy being the best of Season 2. She accomplished something no one else did before and it was very solid effort. Direct path or not, she was fast and smart and won with a good amount of time on the clock. Plus, she was strong all day in her episode. I think I would give her the edge over Ty because of the center of the temple win.

Ty was also a great contestant. He dominated nearly every round including destroying his opponent in his temple game. His temple win was also very exciting too. I have to give credit for him for not taking a direct path either, which definitely helped him out.

And finally, Olivia-Emma is in the third spot. Judging from everyone's rankings, she was super strong all day. The only reason I didn/t place her higher was because she was sort of flawed in the temple compared to Missy and Ty. But she still was solid.  :mrgreen:

And of course, all three players were from the same production day. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 03:13:30 PM
Yeah, that would be my Top 10 Season 2 players as well. And yes, what a coincidence that your Top 3 are all from the same production day. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 09:57:46 PM
So what about the top 10 players of Season 1 then? This list is kind of hard because most of the players were either average or bad. This is a list of the best players of Season 1 with explanations:

1. David (Lawrence of Arabia) - He dominated the whole episode and the temple run also. And his temple exit was one of the best on the show and he really hauled ass to score that last second win.
2. Jennifer (Map to the Lost Gold Mine) - She was very smart in the temple and never got turned around at all even when her strategy never worked. Plus, she moved fast in all of her rooms too and got the job done with a long layout.
3. Jammin John (Galileo) - He dominated the whole episode all day and gave us the very first win. For the first temple runner ever, he did a pretty damn good job.
4. Lea (Sultan Saladin) - She always tried her shortcuts and moved at a good pace inside of the temple. She also won handily too compared to most of the Season 1 teams.
5. Jennifer (Blue Pearl) - She really ran her ass off to make a last second grab for the Blue Pearl. More contestants should follow her eample.
6. Shawn (The Trojan Horseshoe) - He got the job done by moving at a good pace and not getting sidetracked. And he looked good in the earlier rounds.
7. Tara (Sir Edmund Hillary) - Despite her bad exit plan, she was very fast in the temple. Plus, she was the only Season 1 contestant to not detour into the dead end entrance room. And she was good all day in her episode too.
8. Robbie (Kamehameha) - He was great all day and he dominated the temple run even if he lasted for only 4 rooms.
9. Jennifer (Buddha) - She is not as great as people make her out to be, but she was still a fair contestant all day.
10. Shane (Oracle Bowl) - He carried his team all the way through the episode and did great in his short-lived temple appearance. It was Jackie that ruined everything. :roll:

Hopefully you guys can agree with this list. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:00:59 PM
I kind of disagree about Tina. She was the one who ran into the Gargoyle Room, which could've been VERY costly. She was a decent player, but not Top 10 material in my opinion. Same with Shawn from Trojan Horseshoe. But he did move pretty swiftly in the temple. Other than that, I agree with the rest of your list. ;) How about your Top 10 players of Season 3? Since we haven't covered that yet. They had a lot of good players. :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
I can't believe I forgot about Jammin John. :o He belongs in the top 5 list for sure and that should push everyone else down. I am thinking about replacing Shawn with Damian also since he was good in his episode. Or at least put him at the bottom of the list.

Season 3 will be interesting because there were a ton of good players. Both winning and losing teams. Let me see what I can come upwith.  :mrred:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:10:05 PM
I forgot about Jammin Jon as well. He was the "anchor" of his team, and boy did he live up to his name. :mrsilver: And I think Shawn should still stay on your list, just a little lower. Damian was a pretty good player too, though he really didn't last long in the temple. So we can't really tell anything about him. But David for sure is definitely the best Season 1 player ever. :mrgreen:

And Season 3 has Zac, Gator, Jessica, Jarrid, four players already that I've mentioned. Boy, that's gonna be hard to narrow down. :lol: It would be interesting to see what you do come up with though.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on April 02, 2014, 10:27:09 PM
I just realized something about Freydis & Ahmed Baba runs

Tarrah completed her solo run with just 1 second left. Yet Shane completed his with 15 and he had two more rooms than Tarrah, including the slow ass elevator. I still prefer Freydis because of the intensity.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
Tarrah is a better player than Shane. At least she TRIED shortcuts. Shane added more rooms to his temple path, something you should never do unless you're forced to. I really don't understand the hate for Freydis.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 10:35:22 PM
I just realized something about Freydis & Ahmed Baba runs

Tarrah completed her solo run with just 1 second left. Yet Shane completed his with 15 and he had two more rooms than Tarrah, including the slow ass elevator. I still prefer Freydis because of the intensity.

Shane also had a way too easy bottom floor that he could just breeze through. Tarrah had to complete the Jester's Court which was pretty time consuming. It didn't help that Tarrah was a little short too. In fact, Tarrah made better time to the Dark Forest than Shane did. She entered the Dark Forest with 2:02 on the clock while Shane entered it with 1:53 on the clock. Plus, no one seems to mention that Shane struggled bad with the Silver Monkey. It took him almost 30 seconds to assemble the Silver Monkey. Yet, Joel gets maligned for it all the time.

And don't forget that Tarrah made it to the Milk Bucket with around the same time as Shane too. The reason her temple ending was so close was because she didn't have an easy little bridge to cross. If she never took that hit in the Pit, there is no doubt that she would've won with the same amount of time as Shane. But she still recovered from the fall and brought the Milk Bucket out with a second to spare. That is why I think she was stronger than Shane.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:38:35 PM
Exactly. I don't know if this is a Purple Parrot thing, or if Buddha and Ahmed Baba are somehow better than Freydis. But Tarrah was better than BOTH those players put together. Hell I even prefer Tarrah to Lea. And like TRJ said, if Tarrah had actually swung across the Pit with the rope, instead of jump across it, then she probably would've finished the run with about 15 seconds to spare. The same exact time Shane exited the temple in. I would even say Tarrah was FASTER than Shane. And her layout was even harder too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 10:42:17 PM
Tarrah would've won the Ahmed Baba layout even if she took the long way like Shane. Once again, Ahmed Baba's temple guard layout was way too generous. Yet, runs like Annie Oakley and Ponce de Leon had the players taking the long routes too and they both got captured by one room away guards. Which is why Shane's temple layout was too easy and generous.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:45:10 PM
I agree. I'm just never gonna understand why Shane is considered "an amazing player" and how his temple run is so "groundbreaking" and "breath taking." Even if Tarrah DID have Shane's layout, I honestly would've liked the run even then too.

And by the way, you didn't rank the Season 3 players yet. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 02, 2014, 10:47:40 PM
Plus the Milk Bucket of Freydis had a nail-biter ending. I don't know why, but those are more memorable temple runs IMO. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE when someone is a beast through the temple (Zac in Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, e.g). Nail-biters just stick out more in my mind I guess.

Also I agree, Shane's layout was easy, the only hard room he had to do really was the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, and he struggled a bit in the Swamp and stalled a bit in the Laser Light Room.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Nail biter run >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temple runs where nothing exciting happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temple runs finished in plenty of time

Just saying.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 10:52:03 PM
Here are the top 10 Season 3 players in my mind:

1. Gator (Apanuugpak)
2. Jessica (Pirate Captain)
3. Jarrid (Pirate Captain) - I don't hold the Secret Password detour against him because it didn't effect the final outcome of the run.
4. Travis (Ivan the Terrible)
5. Zac (Bandit Queen) - He was super fast, but he didn't really clear as many objectives as the above teams.
6. Kristin (Catherine the Great)
7. Elisa (Ivan the Terrible)
8. Andrea (Chandragupta)
9. Randy (Metal Beard)
10. Jay (Empress Eugenie) - He made great time with the short time Janeen left him. If might've won too if the Jester's Court didn't rob him f about 10-15 seconds.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 10:57:52 PM
Looks good to me. Those would probably be my Top 10 players as well. Also, players like Leah and Matthew from Belle Boyd should probably get an honorable mention as well. They were very fast in their temple run.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 02, 2014, 11:01:08 PM
Yeah, the Belle Boyd team definitely deserves a spot on that list too somewhere. Nate, Jonathan, the Benzibab team, and TJ could all probably come close also.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 02, 2014, 11:05:26 PM
I don't know about Annie. Just like with Damian, she really didn't last long either. Kevin should probably be on that list too. Albeit as an honorable mention, like Leah and Matthew.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 05, 2014, 01:43:33 AM
Both Pirate Captain and Apanuugpak are both Green Monkeys run heralded as the best win from Season 3. Some people consider Pirate Captain as the best win while a lot of people like Apanuugpak much better. Both wins are almost flawless and feature the best contestants on the show. Which win do you guys like better?

Both wins are great, but I honestly like Pirate Captain more than Apanuugpak. And I won't lie, there is a pretty big margin between these two wins also. Pirate Captain was fun all the way through and Jessica and Jarrid were a great team in the temple. Both players dominating the temple made it a very exciting run. And the ending was great too. I love Apanuugpak too, but I think Amanda gets way too much credit for this win. She really didn't impress me at all and was average at best. You would think that she was a better contestant than Jarrid with the praise she gets sometimes. I am sorry, this win was all about Gator. It was a great win too, but Pirate Captain has more going for it then this run. I love Apanuugpak too, but I think Jessica and Jarrid's performance was the best on the show.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 05, 2014, 01:47:11 AM
I also like Lost Hornpipe a little better, for the exact same reasons you stated. Glad I'm not the only one who wasn't impressed with Amanda. Honestly, I always found her to be just average at best. I echo your sentiments about how it was all about Gator. :mrgreen: In Lost Hornpipe, both Jessica and Jarrid owned everything. They had a hard layout scaling the central shaft, but they breezed through it like it was nothing. Apanuugpak is a great run, don't get me wrong. But Lost Hornpipe was just completely amazing. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 08, 2014, 01:41:17 AM
I thought of something. I wonder how the players fared if they had grabbed the heavier artifacts, especially on the lower floors when the crawl tubes were already tight enough.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 01:43:40 AM
Well, Tiffani managed just fine lugging out that huge helmet out of the temple. But yeah, imagine if either Jason or Dana actually DID manage to grab the smashed printing plate. That thing looked enormous. :shock:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:03:32 PM
Tarrah's artifact was pretty bulky too and she sort of had trouble carrying the Milk Bucket through the Ledges. You can actually see the bucket cracked at the end of the run too since she kept banging it against everything.

But Tiffani's artifact takes the cake for the biggest artifact. The Much-Heralded Helmet was like half her size. :shock: If you watch her exit the temple too, she avoids the Ledges crawl tube and goes up to the Crypt instead. Which was pretty smart because she would've struggled if she pulled that Helmet through the Ledges. She did a solid job getting that artifact out of the temple too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:06:45 PM
Plus, Tiffani kept grunting and had trouble walking across the Pit while exiting the temple with the helmet. It's a miracle she could even hold that thing at all. You could also tell she was so tired out at the end of her run too.

On the flip side, imagine if Shem actually had more time to escape with the earring. Let's hope to god he didn't drop it ala Kimberly from Poseidon. He wouldn't even be able to find it. Especially with the green balls in the Pit. :shock:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
Yeah, Shem would be out of luck if he dropped the Golden Earring. That was the tiniest artifact for sure. Well, the Medal of Sir Edmund Hillary was pretty tiny too. If you don't count the strap that is. :P

The Smashed Printing Plate probably would've gave the Red Jaguars trouble too if they actually reached it. It was pretty big also, but at least it was slim so it probably could've been carried under the player's arms. The Much-Heralded Helmet was both big and bulky. Nothing could beat that artifact.  :o
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:12:06 PM
Yeah, Tiffani's artifact was easily the biggest artifact the show has ever seen. Though The Diary of Dr. Livingstone was pretty big too. But at least it was light enough for Brett to carry out of the temple. It just looked like an oversized, cartoonish looking book. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
The Priceless Portrait and Missing Portrait were also big artifacts too. You can see Kristen struggling a little bit to get through the crawl tubes while carrying the Portrait in her arms. Kirk even had to take the Portrait from her so she could get out of the Ledges. :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
What about the Mush Pot Hat? That wasn't exactly the smallest artifact either. Plus, didn't Angela trip while exiting the temple, and broke off the handle of the Pot? I can imagine a pot being heavy to carry as well.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:19:58 PM
What about carrying the Melted Head out of the Temple? That things was huge already and I doubt it would even fit into a crawl tube.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
That too. And what a creepy looking artifact that was too. I mean, a melted up face? *shudder* :shock:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
I always wanted to see the contestants reactions when they brought out those creepy artifacts out of the temple. Like the Shriveled Hand or Melted Head for example. I mean, who would want to retrieve a broken off hand in the first place? :shock:  :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
They'd probably having trouble sleeping that night if they saw a severed up hand, or some plastic face. And here's another tiny artifact for you: The Raccoon Collar. It's a miracle the collar/pendant of life was actually strapped to something. :o
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Speaking of Raccoon Collar, I like how Kirk examines the artifact at the end of the run. As if Adam could pass the Collar off as a Pendant of Life. Considering the team only entered the temple with One Pendant and they lost it to a temple guard.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:42:05 PM
Yeah, Kirk literally would not even declare the run a victory until after Adam was completely passed the gates. Methinks Kirk didn't want to think of Adam as cheating, or pulling a fast one. But still, Kirk should know what these artifacts looks like. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 08, 2014, 03:43:24 PM
^ I don't know if you'd classify Kirk's examining of the collar as a Fogg-Up, but it's a pretty memorable moment IMO :D
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
If you say so.

Truth be told, I don't like the Davy Crockett run. It's basically the same layout as Silk Ladder, but one more extra room tacked on. This run has been getting way too much love lately. =/
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:49:07 PM
Kirk did the same thing in a few other runs too, like in Snake Bracelet. At the end of the Snake Bracelet run, he wanted Tracy to give him the bracelet. There was no delay in declaring victory in that run like in Davy Crockett, but I am pretty sure Kirk did it a couple of times too.

We all know Jennifer in Blue Pearl came close to reaching the Pearl. She was literally a few inches from grabbing it. Do you think if Kirk never told Jennifer to dive for the Pearl, that she would've reached it? I think she would've if she didn't go for the dramatic dive at all. I mean she kind of gave up at the last second. If only she crawled a little further.  :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:51:37 PM
If you say so.

Truth be told, I don't like the Davy Crockett run. It's basically the same layout as Silk Ladder, but one more extra room tacked on. This run has been getting way too much love lately. =/

Davy Crockett ranks at the bottom of my list for the best wins on the show. There was nothing exciting about that run, and Adam was close to blowing it. I mean how hard is it to speed up once you get the artifact? This team should've not won with 5 seconds left on the clock. Although I don't see many people ever praising this win? Like you said, it is Silk Ladder with one extra objective to it.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
We all know Jennifer in Blue Pearl came close to reaching the Pearl. She was literally a few inches from grabbing it. Do you think if Kirk never told Jennifer to dive for the Pearl, that she would've reached it? I think she would've if she didn't go for the dramatic dive at all. I mean she kind of gave up at the last second. If only she crawled a little further.  :?
It was Jennifer's own fault for not crawling a little further. She probably would've reached the pearl had she not done that dramatic reach.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
If you say so.

Truth be told, I don't like the Davy Crockett run. It's basically the same layout as Silk Ladder, but one more extra room tacked on. This run has been getting way too much love lately. =/

Davy Crockett ranks at the bottom of my list for the best wins on the show. There was nothing exciting about that run, and Adam was close to blowing it. I mean how hard is it to speed up once you get the artifact? This team should've not won with 5 seconds left on the clock. Although I don't see many people ever praising this win? Like you said, it is Silk Ladder with one extra objective to it.
It seems like everyone thinks this win is the second coming of Lawrence of Arabia. No way would Adam had won if he had a harder layout. And truth be told, the rest of the episode is just average too. Nothing happens except Shannon and Adam coming from behind in the third temple game and winning at the temple.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
We all know Jennifer in Blue Pearl came close to reaching the Pearl. She was literally a few inches from grabbing it. Do you think if Kirk never told Jennifer to dive for the Pearl, that she would've reached it? I think she would've if she didn't go for the dramatic dive at all. I mean she kind of gave up at the last second. If only she crawled a little further.  :?
It was Jennifer's own fault for not crawling a little further. She probably would've reached the pearl had she not done that dramatic reach.

Yeah, Jennifer was literally finger tips away from reaching the Pearl. She could've just crawled a little further and grabbed it. Although it was a very solid effort on her part to try and make that last second grab. Most Season 1 girls would've just walked all the way to where their partner was taken out, like Jessica from Fountain of Youth and Rinette. Plus, Albert is more to blame for all the time he blew.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
And I am glad that you mention Jennifer being at fault for not reaching the Blue Pearl too. Because that reminds me of some people blaming Kirk for the Lost Lariat lost. I honestly blame this entire loss on Chris. He had 2:30 to complete an easy layout, but he blows it very hard. It is true Colleen could've gotten a solo victory, but she DID check the bar to the Treasure Room, but it was delayed and never opened. Plus, Chris had plenty of time to win in this layout. Likewise, even though Kirk told him to plow through the wall, Chris still had enough time to escape through the bottom floor. If David from Lawrence of Arabia could pull it off, so could Chris. If he didn't dilly dally around all the time then this team would've won easily.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 04:02:34 PM
And I am glad that you mention Jennifer being at fault for not reaching the Blue Pearl too. Because that reminds me of some people blaming Kirk for the Lost Lariat lost. I honestly blame this entire loss on Chris. He had 2:30 to complete an easy layout, but he blows it very hard. It is true Colleen could've gotten a solo victory, but she DID check the bar to the Treasure Room, but it was delayed and never opened. Plus, Chris had plenty of time to win in this layout. Likewise, even though Kirk told him to plow through the wall, Chris still had enough time to escape through the bottom floor. If David from Lawrence of Arabia could pull it off, so could Chris. If he didn't dilly dally around all the time then this team would've won easily.
But the treasure bar DID open. It just didn't until after Colleen turned her back. So I definitely don't blame Colleen there. I blame the faulty doors, or bars for that matter. :lol: But yeah, Chris was the most to blame. He spend a whole 2:30 in the temple walking through every room, and then takes his sweet time exiting. Though Kirk shouldn't have told him to bust through the wall. But you're right, Chris shouldn't have been moving around like a slow moving rock to begin with.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 09:35:08 PM
Yeah, I think the general consensus is that Chris gets most of the blame. Since he had a lot of time to actually score a win. Even with his bad exit plan, Chris still had enough time to pull it off. This is what I don't understand about people criticizing Olivia-Emma. While her layout might've been on the easy side, she was a solid player all day. Plus, she grabbed the Applewood Amulet with little time on the clock and still manages to win! Ron, Chris (Lost Lariat), Jason (Icarus), Kimberly (Poseidon), and Ron all had almost a minute to themselves and still can't pull it off. Which makes Olivia-Emma's escape very special.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 09:39:36 PM
Exactly. Who cares if Olivia Emma had a rather straight forward path, she was still fast and knew what to do in every room. Temple paths are irrelevant to me, it's not like each room was hit the actuator yet she STILL barely escaped. Medusa's Lair (even the newly watered down version), King's Storeroom, Shrine, all hard objectives. Naturally, all those rooms took longer to complete. And who cares if Olivia Emma didn't pick up the half pendant? If she had done one thing differently, (even grab the half pendant), they would've lost. I don't understand the hate for Olivia Emma. This was an excellent temple run and they deserved to win.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 09:52:08 PM
The whole half-pendant thing seems kind of nit picky to me. In my opinion, it doesn't make me think less of Olivia-Emma just because of missing it. Now, if this run ended in triple capture, that would've been a different bridge to cross. But she won the whole thing in the end, so who cares? Its just like people bringing down Jarrid because of entering the Room of the Secret Password in the Pirate Captain run. I don't mind if they bring it up because it was a risky move, but that doesn't make me think less of Jarrid. Honestly, none of the contestants except Gator and Jessica were flawless in the temple:

Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 09:54:54 PM
Yeah, the half pendant thing is extremely nitpicky. If Robert and Olivia Emma won, and found a way to make it work, why focus on the worst? Same with Jarrid running into the Room of the Secret Password in Lost Hornpipe. I also agree that Gator and Jessica were THE two most flawless contestants in the temple. They're the only players I gave a 10 to for the temple run in my rankings of them. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 08, 2014, 09:58:26 PM
Yeah, I would give those two a 10 in a heart beat. I would also give a 10 to Travis and Elisa no questions asked. They were flawless too even if they came up short. Which wasn't even their fault in the first place. Other than that, contestants like Missy, Jarrid, David, and Ty would come close to a 10 for me also. But they slightly miss out due to a small mishap. (Which isn't even a big deal to me)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 10:03:46 PM
Yeah, like Missy taking a "direct path" by climbing up to Medusa's Lair's door. And just because she supposedly didn't move fast. To me, it doesn't matter if a players moves slower, but still manages to win. Players like Tarrah and Missy handled their layouts well, even if they weren't Zac or Gator fast. Especially since their respective runs came down to the wire.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 08, 2014, 10:54:46 PM
Yeah, the half pendant thing is extremely nitpicky. If Robert and Olivia Emma won, and found a way to make it work, why focus on the worst? Same with Jarrid running into the Room of the Secret Password in Lost Hornpipe. I also agree that Gator and Jessica were THE two most flawless contestants in the temple. They're the only players I gave a 10 to for the temple run in my rankings of them. ;)

You know, I never can understand how people can nit-pick the littlest things in temple runs. Olivia-Emma didn't even need the half-pendant, so why should that be held against her? Also Gator and Jessica are beasts in the temple, definitely both top 10 players of all time worthy in my opinion. Also agree with Missy. She wasn't blazing fast, but she didn't need to be.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 08, 2014, 10:55:59 PM
Yeah, like we said, Jessica, Jarrid, and Gator are some of the best players ever.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 10, 2014, 01:57:42 PM
Would you guys say that Travis and Elisa were the best temple team ever on the show? Just think about it a little bit. Both players finished all three temple games before time was up. And their temple performance was absolutely flawless, and they still came up one room away from the artifact. I think temple run wise, the Ivan the Terrible team was the best overall. They didn't do a single thing wrong and still lost with that ridiculous layout. I would give them both a 10 in the temple.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 10, 2014, 03:07:05 PM
Yeah, I would call them the best team ever. They were absolutely flawless in the temple, and still lost with an impossible layout. Either them or Jessica and Jarrid would be considered the best team ever. I still say Jessica and Jarrid were a little better though.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 13, 2014, 02:57:56 AM
I wonder. Had Kimberly not choked after grabbing the Trident, how highly would we have regarded her?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 13, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
She would probably be on the same level as Tiffani, Missy, and Tarrah. She definitely would've been considered one of the best players in the shows history. If only she didn't choke the moment she laid hands on that trident.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 13, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
I wonder. Had Kimberly not choked after grabbing the Trident, how highly would we have regarded her?

I can see Kimberly being given a hard time for her win. Mostly because her temple guard placement would be pretty generous and she was pretty hesitant on the bottom floor. This win would probably rank in the "middle of the pack" for me too. Only because the run wasn't very exciting up to the point where she reached the Trident. And when she grabbed it, that is when it turned cringeworthy. :oops: But even the way she failed, I don't really like placing her with the likes of other contestants like the other Kims. Only because she was doing fine before she reached the Trident. But at the same time, the way she failed was really bad and should've never happened.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 13, 2014, 08:25:40 PM
The only trouble I remembered from her before getting the Trident was getting up the Pharaoh's Secret Passage. Other than that, she was really quick.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 13, 2014, 08:27:25 PM
Eh, I thought she moved average to me. Not too slow, but not that fast either. Either way, I think she would be very highly regarded around here if she never dropped the trident. It would probably be considered a Top 10 run around here too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 14, 2014, 10:02:51 PM
It's funny to think how different contestants would be perceived if they actually won or lost. Kimberly definitely would not get any criticism if she never dropped the Trident and won. Jason from Icarus probably would've been praised to if he won at the last second, and people would call it a nail biter ending. Although he was worse than Kimberly because he backtracked too much and his exit plan sucked balls.

What would you guys think of the Anne Bonny run if Ron used the Trouble Bridge and won? Would you think it was a great win or would it rank on the same level as wins like Snake Bracelet and Raccoon Collar?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 14, 2014, 10:06:39 PM
I wouldn't even rank it on the same level as Snake Bracelet or Raccoon Collar honestly. He cheated in the moat, and that's hard to look past no matter who you are. I would probably rank it on the same level as Silk Ladder. The cheating totally ruined my view on the whole episode.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 14, 2014, 10:10:22 PM
Yeah, Ron's cheating easily ruins this episode. Which is too bad, because the episode was pretty good aside from the cheating. Even if they did win, Ron still sucked in the temple. He moved so slow and he never even completed the Treasury of the Golden Orbs. Yeah, this run would definitely be a bottom feeder win. :roll:

I wonder what people would've thought of the Pirate Captain run if it actually ended in triple capture in the Room of the Secret Password? People would overlook Jarrid and Jessica's strong performance and Jarrid would be another Aqila where he would be considered the wort player of Season 3.  :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 14, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Maybe not worst player, but they definitely would've been more overlooked had Jarrid not gotten lucky. On the other hand, Lost Hornpipe would probably rank on the same level as Great Seal and Kamehameha. Exciting triple captures, even though the players were flawed and made too many mistakes. Even though the only mistake Jarrid made was his little detour, but still.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 16, 2014, 02:19:42 AM
I brought this up in the Galileo/Silver Horseshoe poll in the tourney section, and I want to bring it up again here.

Do you guys think that the only reason Paula and Matt get so much praise is because A. it was a win and B. because of their comeback kid story arc? To me, I think it's a little of both. To me, I feel like people only like Paula and Matt just for the sake of liking a win. Where a casual viewer might say "Oh look, a win. That means it's automatically a great temple run." Plus, they had that utterly lame "Comeback Kids" story arc going for them too. Which to me, is a sugarcoated way of saying "you barely scraped by." Would people still like Paula and Matt if they were say, first in the moat and swept the temple games? What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 16, 2014, 02:29:01 AM
I never understood why Kirk placed so much emphasis on the "comeback kids" in Butch Cassidy. There were a lot of temple teams before and after Butch Cassidy where they were fourth in the moat, but Kirk never calls them the same thing or something similar. Especially episodes like Silk Sash and Blackfeet Chief where both teams had close calls in the moat too. Aside from sweeping the Steps, Paula and Matt were not a dominant team at all. In fact, they pretty much got to the temple on a controversial call. While I don't think Paula fell off the horse before time was up, it was still a very close call. Plus, I am not always a fan of teams that make comebacks in their team games only at the last second. This applies to teams like Alhambra and Butch Cassidy mostly. And I never understood why these two get praised for their win either. There is nothing special about an actuator pressing journey through the temple. And the fast win is not that impressive at all, I will take a fast win like Enormous Iron Nose Ring or Benzibab any day where the players actually had objectives and still finshed with more time.

Overall, it makes little sense for people to love Butch Cassidy IMO just because they made a couple of comebacks. At least teams like Jeremy and Erika from Silk Ladder actually were dominant before the temple despite getting criticism all the time. They are easily the most over-talked about team on the show. Thank God Galileo did us a favor and put an end to this episode.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 16, 2014, 02:34:18 AM
Seriously, it's not like Paula and Matt were the ONLY team to barely scrape by each round, even before their episode. If I remember correctly, didn't the Jean Lafitte team (who also lucked into their tiebreaker) and the Lucky Pig team barely scrape by each round? Plus, other teams like the War Fan and Enormous Feather team barely scraped by each round, yet Kirk says next to nothing about them. Paula and Matt are immensely overrated. Yet somehow they're a better team than Lucky Pillow, on the grounds that "they moved faster?" Something is not adding up here.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 16, 2014, 02:48:04 AM
My only guess that Kirk kept playing up on the whole "comeback kids" plot was because Butch Cassidy was the first episode of Season 2. So he tried to be creative in some way that was pretty lame. But yeah, a lot of teams could be labeled the same thing. Enormous Feather, War Fan, Lucky Pig, Silk Sash, and Cracked Crown all had teams that scraped by. So why not bring it up on those episodes, Kirk? I never understood the Annie Taylor comparisons either. I remember there was a big debate about these two episodes in one of the Hurt/Heal game. I believe that THK went as far as to say why he didn't think that Annie Taylor was not a good episode because of Missy supposedly going to the temple the same way as Paula. And we are hypocritical for liking Annie Taylor over Butch Cassidy. :? I hate Butch Cassidy, and this is one of the most over-talked episodes next to Shaka Zulu.  :evil:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 16, 2014, 02:53:23 AM
God, don't get me started on the hypocritical stuff. We're the bad guys for liking Annie Taylor and Freydis, but not Tall Turban. Yet this is coming from the person who thinks Shaka Zulu is a better temple run than John Sutter, and Silver Horseshoe is a better run than Lucky Pillow? I mean, Lucky Pillow is a MUCH better episode in every aspect. Yes John and Missy came from behind in the final game, but that episode is much more exciting than Silver Horseshoe ever was. Who cares if Missy didn't move fast? Her emotion personality and down to the wire finish is what made this temple run so special. I just don't understand why some people think you're only a good player if you move fast. You can still move at an average pace, and still be a good player. This applies to both Missy and Tarrah, and I loved their temple runs for their memorable and downright solid performance.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 16, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Me personally, I though Silval Sliver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy was meh to me. It's a win, but even I forget it's a win sometimes. Hell, I remember that the Diary of Doctor Livingstone is a win  :o
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 16, 2014, 02:15:06 PM
Actually, the "Silval Silver" mistake was made in 'The Silver Cannonball of Grandy Nanny". :lol: Although both episodes are from the same day. ;) But yeah, there is nothing remarkable about Butch Cassidy in anyway. At least Dr. Livingstone was memorable for Brett entering every room of the temple and being the first to do so. Butch Cassidy literally has nothing going for it. :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 16, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
I have a question for you, TRJ: Which temple run do you like better: Silver Horseshoe or Snakeskin Boots? I really want you to tell me your honest opinion on this. Since some people prefer Silver Horseshoe over Snakeskin Boots. Very delicately tell me what you think. ;)

And you can use as many ;) smileys as you want.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 16, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
I know I'm not TRJ, but I like Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid, because the run came down to the wire, and while Tony's exit plan was flawed, it allowed for more excitement. Plus, Kelly and Tony swept the temple games, first in the Moat, and first in the Steps of Knowledge. I think everyone knows that Paula and Matt scraped by every round, and their layout wasn't even hard.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on April 16, 2014, 08:42:41 PM
I will also say the Snakeskin Boots because I never was a fan of the Silver Horseshoe run. Sure, it was good, but to rank it among the best is ridiculous. Paula's objectives were...

1. Head to Ledges
2. Push Button to Pit
3. Climb and Push Button to Heart Room
4. Push Button to Throne Room
5. Door mysteriously opens to Swamp, even though you never even touched the Throne
6. Push Button to Dark Forest
7. Hand Pendant to Temple Spirit
8. Bust Through Wall and head up the slow ass elevator
9. Grab the Silver Horseshoe
10. GTFO of the Temple!

So, it might as well be called :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: 2. Also, the team scraped by most of the show. The only part where they didn't was the Steps and they swept it. 

Snakeskin Boots had a MUCH better team and run. The team was dominant all day long and had to put the cherry on top of a Purple Parrot Pwnage. Even if their only main objective was to pull blocks to reveal the light and align body to press three buttons simultaneously, it was more enjoyable than Silver Horseshoe. Not to mention, it was the Purple Parrots first win, and it took 72 episodes to get there.  :mrpurple:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 16, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
Yeah, Snakeskin Boots is better in every aspect. I remember members here in the past preferred Silver Horseshoe, for some reason I'll never know. I mean, I know Silver Horseshoe was the first Orange Iguanas victory, but it just wasn't exciting. I know we've basically talked about Snakeskin Boots to death in this thread, but it's really no contest which run is better. :mrpurple:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 17, 2014, 12:52:17 AM
Billy the Kid and Butch Cassidy are on opposite spectrum for me. Billy the Kid is a classic episode while Butch Cassidy is an average and unremarkable episode. I think GM1 summed up Butch Cassidy quite well for me. Fast win or not, Paula literally did not complete any objectives at all in her run. Yet, people still call her a better contestant than Missy. She might've won in Missy's layout too, but it would not be with 50 seconds on the clock. And we don't even know if she would've pulled an Ahmed Baba in Annie Taylor either. Back to Billy the Kid though. The episode is a classic and is highly regarded around here for good reasons. You can't help but to root for the Purple Parrots in Billy the Kid. It took almost 2 seasons for them to finally get a win, and they got it done in dominating fashion. In fact, I think the PP Pwnage is what makes Billy the Kid a much-loved episode.  :mrpurple:  :mrpurple:  :mrpurple: It is way more interesting and likable than scraping by like Paula and Matt did. Although the Purple Parrots really should've had a victory much earlier, most likely in Blackfeet Chief. Now if that episode was a win, I think Billy the Kid would get more flack since it wouldn't be as special.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 17, 2014, 12:59:27 AM
Yeah, same with Silk Ladder. If THAT had been the first Purple Parrots win, then I doubt it would get so much praise. But what about Silver Horseshoe? If that had been the first Purple Parrot win, would people praise it or malign it? Just wondering what you guys think. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 17, 2014, 12:45:11 PM
I don't have a favorite team, but with the same layout that Silval Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy had, I still would not have liked it much, even if it was a Purple Parrot win. Now if they were a dominant team (unlike Paula and Matt), I may think otherwise, but with that almost "cupcake" layout, the win wouldn't be very impressive TBH. Just my opinion though  :)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 17, 2014, 02:50:20 PM
I don't have a favorite team, but with the same layout that Silval Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy had, I still would not have liked it much, even if it was a Purple Parrot win. Now if they were a dominant team (unlike Paula and Matt), I may think otherwise, but with that almost "cupcake" layout, the win wouldn't be very impressive TBH. Just my opinion though  :)

Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel about the Butch Cassidy run. No matter what team had this layout, it would probably still be an unimpressive win unless something really notable happened in that run. As much as I would like to see the Purple Parrots win more in the temple, I think it is a good thing that they didn't win in episodes like Butch Cassidy or  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: . Only because those wins were so easy and people would probably make fun of them like we do now for Paula and the Silver Snakes. I definitely would've liked to see an earlier Purple Parrot win though before Billy the Kid. Cobra Staff would've been the perfect first victory for the Purple Parrots. Now that run would've been respectable win if Eusinia and David pulled it off.  :mrpurple:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 17, 2014, 03:19:01 PM
*Barges into conversation*

What does everyone think of the Snake Bracelet win? I personally don't care about it, but what do you think? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 17, 2014, 03:23:32 PM
I actually don't mind Snake Bracelet's win. It definitely does not rank at the top, but I don't really have a problem with it. Mostly because it is one of the few episodes I remember from my childhood. But Tracy kind of ruins it though with how slow she moves. This episode should've beaten Benzibab's time. It is pretty forgettable though. But I definitely don't have a problem with it compared to other wins.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 17, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
I don't like it honestly. I actually find it to be a bottom feeder. Had it been reverse order of players, I probably would've thought differently. But it's way too forgettable and I forget it's even a win half the time. Plus, Tracy had no enthusiasm whatsoever. Hello, you just won. At least ACT like you're having fun instead of look like you'd rather be elsewhere.

Also, here's something I'd like to add about the Purple Parrots and their win. We all know episodes like King Tut should've been wins. But what about Blackfeet Chief? Would people actually like and respect that run had THAT been the first Purple Parrots win? Or would people not care about it at all, like with Silver Horseshoe and Silk Ladder? Thoughts on that? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 17, 2014, 03:32:02 PM
Blackfeet Chief is an episode that I never had much of a problem with like some other people seem to. I felt that Leah was mostly responsible for this run being a loss though. She moved way too slow on the bottom floor of the temple. She must've been related to Kerry in some way. :shock: Brandon was no where as slow as she was, and he also had the fastest Silver Monkey assembly. I would consider this a rather successful run if the Purple Parrots won in this episode. This run is no where near a disaster that people seem to make it out to be.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 17, 2014, 03:34:47 PM
But if it had been the first win of the Purple Parrots, would people like and respect it? And what would people think of Billy the Kid then?

Also, did you forget that Leah exactly like Noelle from Xerxes? Who was also a slowpoke runner. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 17, 2014, 03:39:02 PM
I think it would've been a respectable win if Brandon and Leah won. Of course, both players would've had to move faster for that to happen. But if we had an earlier Purple Parrots victory, I don't see Billy the Kid getting as much love as it does now. Mostly because the Parrots would've already had their win and the "PP Pwnage" story wouldn't have been that impressive. Now if Annie Oakley was the first Purple Parrots win, we would be calling that one PP Pwnage also.  :mrpurple:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 17, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
Oh yeah, Leopard Skin Cloak would get praised through the roof if that had been the first Purple Parrots win. :mrpurple: I mean, Chandra and Nick outright swept their temple games, Kelly and Tony tied their third game with the Green Monkeys. Too bad the Leopard Skin Cloak team didn't win. I really wanted to see them score their first win here. If only Chandra didn't take the elevator, or if she never ran into a temple guard in the King's Storeroom. Such is the Purple Parrots luck. :(

On the other hand, if BOTH episodes were a win, than I could definitely see Billy the Kid getting just as much praise as it does now. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 17, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Hell, even if Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid wasn't the Purple Parrots first win, it'd still rank high on my list of wins.

And yeah, the Lepoard Skin Cloak of Annie Oakley is definitely a case of bad luck  :cry:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 17, 2014, 09:10:26 PM
Yeah, like I said above. But it was Chandra's fault for taking the elevator in the first place.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 18, 2014, 12:42:41 AM
If the Purple Parrots won in Annie Oakley also, then the Purple Parrots would've been the best team of Season 2. They would've had three strong wins in Annie Oakley, Billy the Kid, and Freydis. They also would've had Blackfeet Chief that would've been a failed escape and even Golden Pepperoni which was almost successful too. I love Season 2 because it had the most variety of teams in the temple. Well, we could've done without all the Orange Iguanas. :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 18, 2014, 12:46:36 AM
Yeah, Season 2 had the best variety. Season 1 had way too many Red and Silver, and Season 3 had an obnoxious amount of Green. Kind of a shame really. That's why I like Season 2 so much. The Purple Parrots come out on top the most. Or least they have more temple appearances.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 18, 2014, 05:03:20 PM
What are some runs that you guys still enjoy despite there being a lot of mistakes by the players of the team? Some of the ones that come to mind are:

- Annie Oakley: Chandra took the elevator when she didn't need to. And Nick putting the King's Storeroom key in the front of the room was kind of an egghead move. Despite these mistakes, this run was still enjoyable from Kirk's enthusiasm to the strong performance by the Purple Parrots.

- Sir Edmund Hillary: The Silver Snakes made a long path for no reason in this run, but as far as Season 1 losses goes, this one was probably the best. Danny and Tara were a solid team and even with the bad exit plan, the team still came close. Would've been one of the best wins from Season 1 if they won, but still exciting as hell.

- Dolley Madison: I am one of those people that don't look down on Ashlie too much for her mistake. Sure, she did mess up big time. But the temple run was still exciting and both players were very fast. Plus, Matt should take some blame for the direct path too. Still a good run.

- Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag: Not a lot of people seem to like this run due to the mistakes Jonathan and Olivia made, but I found it to be exciting. Center of the temple runs were never easy anyways. Plus, the performance was still pretty solid and Jonathan did a good job completing most of his rooms.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 18, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
All the runs you said, and add Belle Boyd to the list. Leah and Matthew did an AMAZING job covering 9 rooms in three minutes. Leah was especially exceptional. She raced all the way down the central shaft, and across almost the entire bottom floor in two minutes. I don't even care if neither player used the Pit-Chamber door, this run was amazing despite their losing.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 18, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
Yeah, I agree with those 5 runs.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 19, 2014, 01:25:06 AM
Oh yeah, I definitely will add Belle Boyd to the list in a heartbeat.  :mrgreen: Leah and Matthew were an amazing team in the temple. It is definitely an overlooked temple run too. Despite their mistakes, they still came close to reaching the Bullet-Riddled Handbag. And they are an example of why teams like William Tell have no excuse for their pathetic progress with hard layouts.

Also, throw Kamehameha on that list too. Robbie shouldn't have taken a direct path and Tina shouldn't have entered the Gargoyle Room, but both players were fast and strong. And you can't entirely blame them for the triple capture either. It was a long layout and a memorable and exciting run. Great Seal can also be added for the same reasons.  :mrsilver:  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 19, 2014, 01:52:05 AM
Yup, all of those were great runs too. :mrsilver: Anymore we can add to the list? Like how about Atahualpa, even though that really should've been a solo win. If only Chris didn't enter that Heart Room, but at least Tracy grabbed the artifact at the last second. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 19, 2014, 07:55:18 AM
I've always found the "Red Sash" run exciting despite that one mistake. I liked both players and it was a close call in a tough layout.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 19, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
Yeah, Red Sash is an underrated nailbiter as well. At least Brandy and Quentin reached the Tomb at least. But a few mistakes and hesitations prevented it from being a win. Plus, they were very dominant pre temple.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on April 28, 2014, 12:34:21 PM
Of all the great losses, had the players not make their mistakes and their runs were wins (if possible), where would they rank in your lists? (This is for people who I know are capable despite mistakes) (Also, the runs below are great runs IMO)

Kamehameha: If Robbie entered the Heart Room instead, this would probably be a loss because I don't know if Tina would've been fast enough. If he entered the Observatory instead, it would've been a Top 5 win for me because of his speed and because it would've been a solo win.

(I doubt Henry VIII would've been a win with how scared and hesitant Shay was)

Edmund Hillary: This would've been a one second win... I think. Tara would have to really RUN to win. But if she had gotten out, I would've put this in my Top 5 for sure.

Atahualpa: Obviously, because of the simple rooms in Season 1, this would be a mid pack win for me.

(What more could've been done in Johnny Appleseed? Well, Angela could've move a little faster, but seriously, what else could they have done?)

Napoleon: I'm pretty sure the Shrine/Shaft passage would've worked and if Carly actually used it, she would've pulled off a nailbiting win and I would've ranked this in the middle. If Brian had not taken the direct path and actually moved faster, then this would've been in my Top 10.

Annie Oakley: Had Chandra taken shortcuts and Nick knew what to do in the King's Storeroom (Really? That hole?), I'd consider this in my Top 5.

Henry Morgan: Had Ashley used the key and made it solo, I'd consider this run in my Top 5. If not, even if Shem actually saw the door to the Room of the Mandarin Hand open, this probably wouldn't have been a win.

Dolley Madison: Without the Dark Forest blunder, this would've been in my Top 10. If Matt didn't go for the direct path, I'd put this in my Top 5.

Polynesian Girl: Had Kristen not been so hesitant, I'd rank this in my Top 10.

William the Conqueror: Without one of the two mistakes, Top 10. Without both, I'd probably consider this the best run ever. Probably.

(Why couldn't Travis and Elisa in Ivan The Terrible have a better layout? *sighs*)

(What else could the players in Queen Boadicea do? Well, Lissy could've been less hesitant, but the layout was already so hard)

Tokugawa Ieyasu: This would've been a nailbiter win and I'd go so far to consider it in my Top 3 had it been accomplished

Belle Boyd: The Shrine/Bog passage must be open and BOTH players must've taken shortcuts. And if they had done so... can you imagine? We'd be praising this as the best run ever to no end.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 28, 2014, 01:17:00 PM
^ I agree with all of those.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 28, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
I think Henry VIII would've still been a win. The only problem was Shay and Nick using the Cave of Sighs entrance. If they had used the Gargoyle Room, they would've won for sure. Even if Shay was hesitant. As for Mush Pot Hat, Angela could've climbed the wall a little faster. Probably would've made for a VERY close finish if that was the case. Or maybe if Chris had started in the Ledges instead of the Crypt, it could've been a solo victory. Total word on Discarded Seal too.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 28, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
I totally agree with every single one of those runs being great wins. All of those losses are enjoyable to watch and most of the players put up a great effort in those runs. I would totally like to see one of those bottom of the central shaft runs be a win also. If Polynesian Girl was a win, it would've been in my top 5. Same with Queen Boadicea, it would've been considered the best Red Jaguars run if Nate an Lissy won.  :mrred:

Overall though, I would say Ivan the Terrible would've been the best run hands down if Travis and Elisa managed to pull it off. And they would give Jarrid and Jessica the run for their money as the best temple team.

Honestly though, almost all of those episodes should've been a win. If it wasn't for one or two mistakes, then we would've had more wins on the show. These losses I would give a free pass though:

Kamehameha: Even if Robbie took a direct path and Tina almost pulled a Harriet Tubman, the layout was both long and cruel. And the temple guard layout was not exactly fair for Season 1 run.

Great Seal: The half-pendant was no where in sight. Definitely not Nick and Shay's fault.

Annie Oakley: Even if Chandra did not take the Mine Shaft elevator, she would've been removed one room away. And Nick would've probably had a failed escape run at best. They would've needed to encounter all three guards to win.

Ivan the Terrible: Hardest layout ever with the best team ever facing it. Damn you, producers. :evil:

Belle Boyd: This would've been a failed escape at best if Leah and Matthew took more shortcuts. The layout was still brutal, and they almost came close.

Red Sash: Sure, Brandy and Quentin wasted time with hesitations and enter unnecessary rooms. But look at that layout? It required them to enter 9 rooms of the temple. And they still almost reached the Red Sash. This should get an honorable mention.

I would also add Good-Luck Watch to your list too. I thought it was a good run despite Janeen's hesitations and the favorable layout. It is a run that I can enjoy and doesn't make me cringe like most losses. I would definitely include these with the other runs in your post. ;)  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 28, 2014, 05:56:18 PM
I have a question I'd like to ask, unrelated to the above posts. Does anyone like Galileo's Cannonball? I happen to think it's a great temple run, and some people fail to realize that this was THE first temple run. Obviously there are some bumps to smooth out, since this was the first ever temple run. It's only natural for these contestants to get a little confused at times. Jammin Jon' did a great job, and he did well with the long path he had to the artifact. Does anyone else feel the same as I do about this run? I want you to very gently, give me your feedback on this one. I want you to tell me how you feel, since I think it's a wonderful temple run. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 28, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
I think Galileo's Cannonball is a great temple run. Obviously it had a little flaws, but considering it was the first temple run, I can excuse that. Also the temple run music got looped during the run, so you can tell this was early season 1. Jammin Jon is a great name BTW :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 28, 2014, 09:12:08 PM
Dead Man's Hand had looped music as well. What does everyone else think? I personally thought it was a great start to the show.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 28, 2014, 09:54:17 PM
Galileo is a great win and I loved this run since day one.  :mrsilver: It might not have a higher production quality compared to the later runs on the show, but I like the little quirks in the run like Jennifer needing to be directed to enter the Heart Room and how Kirk sounded so flat yet also enthusiastic. :lol: Jammin' John was a great contestant and he handled his layout just fine. He may have been hesitant and wasted time in the Shrine, but he was also the first temple team ever on the show. And I think people forget that Galileo's temple run was the first temple run too. Blackbeard and Belshazzar were in a later production day, making it and Dead Man's Hand the only S1L1 runs. Plus, people forget that Jammin John faced some technical issues like the Mine Shaft elevator stalling. Great run overall and the ending was very memorable and exciting. Maybe not on the same level as Applewood Amulet, but it ranks up there. ;) This is actually my favorite Silver Snakes win and run on the whole show. It was a great way to open the show up. And Jammin John was the best boy of Season 1 after David from Lawrence of Arabia. ;)  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 28, 2014, 10:03:44 PM
I agree, I also think Jammin' Jon is the best Season 1 boy besides David from Lawrence of Arabia. Which coincidentally, was also a close finish. :lol: I also agree with you that Galileo is easily the best Silver Snake run ever next to Sultan Saladin. :mrsilver: You want overrated players? Try Mitchell, Shane, Paula, and Bobby. Now THEY are the most overrated players ever. At least Jammin' Jon had something to show for, being the "anchor" of the team. Players like Shane and Mitchell were just plain lucky.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 28, 2014, 10:24:57 PM
Jammin John was great all day. His team was first in the moat, first in the Steps, won 1.5 Pendants in the temple games, and the temple run was a solid effort. I don't expect him to be as fast as Zac or Gator. Hell, give Gator or Zac the Galileo layout, and I am sure they would struggle in a couple of places because they would have no idea how the temple worked either. Not to mention, then an earlier temple runner coach Zac before he appeared in the Bandit Queen?

I can give players like Jammin John and Jennifer (Lost Gold Mine) a break because their runs were so early on in the show. To expect them to know the temple like the back of their hand is asking for way too much. If they were later season contestants, I might not cut them a break. But then again, they probably wouldn't make those mistakes in later seasons.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 28, 2014, 10:28:44 PM
^ I can too. Plus season 1 had the most layout changes on the show, so I can forgive any season 1 contestants (except for John and Tia from Golden Cricket Cage of Khan, and the Keys to the Alhambra kids. Idiots  :roll: ).
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 28, 2014, 10:29:49 PM
To quote TRJ here:

Jammin John was great all day. His team was first in the moat, first in the Steps, won 1.5 Pendants in the temple games, and the temple run was a solid effort. I don't expect him to be as fast as Zac or Gator. Hell, give Gator or Zac the Galileo layout, and I am sure they would struggle in a couple of places because they would have no idea how the temple worked either. Not to mention, then an earlier temple runner coach Zac before he appeared in the Bandit Queen?

I can give players like Jammin John and Jennifer (Lost Gold Mine) a break because their runs were so early on in the show. To expect them to know the temple like the back of their hand is asking for way too much. If they were later season contestants, I might not cut them a break. But then again, they probably wouldn't make those mistakes in later seasons.
Exactly. You can't expect Jammin Jon' and Jennifer from John Sutter to have the whole temple memorized. Since this was still WAY early on in the show. Obviously this is a new show for both contestants and the whole production crew itself. Jammin' Jon was an excellent player all day. I think it's exaggerating honestly to call Jammin' Jon "he most overrated player ever." If anything, he doesn't get enough credit for what he does. Galileo was a great way to start the show off and I'm glad they won. :mrsilver:

And PS, Josh from Dead Man's Hans was supposedly Zac's "coach" when Zac went to try out for Season 3. ;) :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: JCW555 on April 28, 2014, 10:37:21 PM
^ I don't consider Jammin John overrated either. Yes, he hesitated in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey a little, but this was the VERY FIRST temple run, so I can overlook it. I honestly think Jammin John is in my top 20 players of all time (if I was ever to create such a list), and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 28, 2014, 10:38:21 PM
^ I can too. Plus season 1 had the most layout changes on the show, so I can forgive any season 1 contestants (except for John and Tia from Golden Cricket Cage of Khan, and the Keys to the Alhambra kids. Idiots  :roll: ).

I never understood how they got through that season with all the changes. :shock: But yeah, the layouts were really inconsistent in Season 1. One episode could have a piss easy layout (Buddha) while another episode from the same day is next to impossible (Stone Marker). Plus, half of the layouts were broken too. As much as runs like Lost Logbooks suck, they also had production errors and dead ends that were ridiculous.

To quote TRJ here:

Jammin John was great all day. His team was first in the moat, first in the Steps, won 1.5 Pendants in the temple games, and the temple run was a solid effort. I don't expect him to be as fast as Zac or Gator. Hell, give Gator or Zac the Galileo layout, and I am sure they would struggle in a couple of places because they would have no idea how the temple worked either. Not to mention, then an earlier temple runner coach Zac before he appeared in the Bandit Queen?

I can give players like Jammin John and Jennifer (Lost Gold Mine) a break because their runs were so early on in the show. To expect them to know the temple like the back of their hand is asking for way too much. If they were later season contestants, I might not cut them a break. But then again, they probably wouldn't make those mistakes in later seasons.
Exactly. You can't expect Jammin Jon' and Jennifer from John Sutter to have the whole temple memorized. Since this was still WAY early on in the show. Obviously this is a new show for both contestants and the whole production crew itself. Jammin' Jon was an excellent player all day. I think it's exaggerating honestly to call Jammin' Jon "he most overrated player ever." If anything, he doesn't get enough credit for what he does. Galileo was a great way to start the show off and I'm glad they won. :mrsilver:

And PS, Josh from Dead Man's Hans was supposedly Zac's "coach" when Zac went to try out for Season 3. ;) :mrorange:

I definitely think that is kind of exaggerating to call him the most overrated player ever. I can understand someone not liking Galileo's run due to how quirky and "off-beat" it felt, but that shouldn't take away from John's performance. The whole episode and run was successful in my eyes, and the little quirks is what makes it memorable. This is why I love Galileo and Map to the Lost Gold Mine. No one will ever change my opinion on those runs.  :mrsilver:  :mrblue:

And I thought it was Dead Man's Hand Josh. Poor guy, if he appeared in a later season, he would not doubt have more success. I have no problems with him or Sarah at all. Dead Man's Hand was another broken layout. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 28, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
I agree TRJ, Jammin' Jon and Jennifer are great players, and they deserve the praise they get. :mrblue: :mrsilver: It's over exaggerating to call Jammin' Jon overrated because like I said, he really isn't talked about at all. And frankly, he should be, and he should be recognized more. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 29, 2014, 06:44:10 AM
Yeah, no one ever talks about Jammin John's performance at all. This is not a recent trend and it has always been like that. Which is unfortunate, because he was a strong player all day in the temple. I would be more than glad to give John the praise he deserves. Like I mentioned, I always liked Jammin John and Galileo's win since day one. It has always been my all time favorite Silver Snakes episode and win and it will always be that way.  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 29, 2014, 03:40:09 PM
I agree, even exciting runs like Bandit Queen and hell even Sultan Saladin don't hold a candle to Galileo. Don't get me wrong, Bandit Queen and Sultan Saladin were great runs, but Galileo is extra special since that was THE first temple run ever. And the way Jammin' Jon handled his long path was honestly, very impressive for a first ever temple run. I mean, look at how shoddy the production was on the first ever episodes taped. Dead Man's Hand was completely unwinnable due to a broken layout, and Belshazzar couldn't even film their temple run in S1L1 due to time constraints. Jammin' Jon called himself the "anchor" before the temple run started, and he lived up to that name like no other. Even Jennifer (his partner, there were so many Jennifer's on the show), did an alright job in her time in the temple. She looked a little lost, but my point again is, it was the first temple run ever. Obviously not everyone is gonna know where to go. Good thing Jammin' Jon was there to bail her out, both encouraging her from the sidelines, and to run through the temple after she was captured. I'd much rather see him in the temple than say, the Genghis Khan team or the Geronimo team. If anything, Jammin' Jon is underrated. :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 30, 2014, 10:25:16 PM
Am I the only one that never felt sorry for Brian and Irish during the Bent Shaving Pan run? I remember in the past that people would actually praise Irish and felt sorry for her because of the one room away guard. And Brian got a free pass too because he had little time to make progress. I'm sorry, but I never liked the Bent Shaving Pan run. Irish was way too slow to be a frontrunner. She wasted time in nearly every room she entered. Plus, making it 30 seconds away from the artifact is not impressive. Brittany from Pytheas took a longer path and got removed from the Shrine with much more time than Irish. But everyone criticizes her for moving slow. And Brian has no excuse for not making progress either. Look what Elisa and Katie from Imperial Wizard did with their little time? I hate the Bent Shaving Pan run.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 30, 2014, 10:35:14 PM
YES, me too! I seriously can't believe people would defend this team, especially Brian. I'm sorry, but Brian deserves all the criticism he gets, and I'll never have any sympathy for him. I don't care if you had under 30 seconds left on the clock. You have to at least TRY to make an effort to speed up. All he did was cluelessly walk through the temple, are you expecting me to take him seriously after seeing that? Imagine if he went into the temple first instead of Irish. She'd never have a chance to enter thanks to Brian. :shock: And what irks me the most is that all this Brian defense came out of nowhere. I mean, nobody used to talk about Bent Shaving Pan at all. Partly because it never aired on Nick Gas. But all of a sudden, we're all supposed to feel bad for Mr. Slowpoke here? I also hate Bent Shaving Pan, this is one of the worst, most filler episodes ever, and it is forgettable in every single aspect. I remember more about Stone Marker than I do of this episode. How is Brian "not that bad" again? How is he a "great player" here? Aside from being compared to Brittany from Pytheas, Brian was compared to Randy from Metal Beard once. Apparently Randy is a worse player because "she took 30 seconds to reach the Dark Forest too." Umm, what?! :shock: :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 30, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
Seriously? Do some people pick random contestants out their ass and try to compare them to ones that we try to criticize? outer space use to do that all the time. Like in one of the old elimination threads, he compared Jason from Nostradamus to Jarrid from Pirate Captain. How are they even are a like? As for Bent Shaving Pan, it is extremely boring and mediocre all the way though. I fell asleep almost when reviewing it. Apparently there was a tiebreaker in this episode? And I didn't even remember this episode existed until it was brought up in the poll today for the "Best Episode by Production Day" thread. :? I will take Stone Marker any day over Bent Shaving Pan. At least Keeli and Chris have an excuse for their poor temple progress. Brian was a waste of space and he deserves to get maligned as much as Dana and Lauren. In fact, I would put Bent Shaving Pan on my black list with the other crappy episodes that day like Xerxes and Snow Cone. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 30, 2014, 10:54:50 PM
Yes, I wish I was making that up. Though I don't think it was outerspace who said it. Seems to be a recurring theme, that doesn't always happen on YouTube. It's like people are purposely trying to pick reasons to hate any contestant just to make their favorites look better. And just for the sake of hating a contestant for no reason. :roll: Like Jennifer from Melted Head. People hate on her just because she shouted at her partner. Like she was the only contestant to do that. First she's criticized for her shouting, and now people want to claim "oh, her and her partner had no chemistry." That to me is just grasping at straws, just for the same of not liking someone. And while we're on the subject of both Jennifer AND Brian, people hate on Jennifer and say "she didn't pull her weight" and "she only made it far because the top floor was accessible to her." What difference does that make? Even if she HAD to climb walls, she would've far and beyond did a MUCH better job at it than Lauren and Dana put together. Both Jennifer and Brian had under 40 seconds left on the clock by the time they entered the temple. Yet Jennifer gets maligned for it, but Brian gets nothing but praise. And like you said above, look at how well Elisa and Katie from Mystical Spellbook did in what little time they had. Neither player had any excuse for losing. I don't care what was left on the clock. Jennifer was MUCH faster than Brian and even her own partner Nicholas. At least she almost assembled the monkey in time. Brian just does a Sunday stroll through the temple. Damien from Lost Whale Bone wasn't even that bad. Anyone who can defend Bent Shaving Pan AT ALL must not have seen the episode enough, or really just don't know what really makes a bad player. I admit, I never use to think much of Bent Shaving Pan when I first saw the temple run and eventually full episode. I didn't hate or love it, I was just indifferent. But nowadays, I absolutely hate the episode. At least Stone Marker had something going for it, the Blue Barracudas with the same last name, and Keeli's hysterical screaming. Bent Shaving Pan.... well, it had a tiebreaker. And the same temple game sequence as Xerxes. But nope, I've got nothing. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 01, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
I can't believe I forgot about Jennifer from Madame Tussaud.  :shock: I never had a problem with Jennifer ever since I first watched her episode. She was a good player in her episode and much better than Nick. She may have screamed at Nick, but can you blame her? The kid was wasting too much time pulling on the same vines and putting himself in the wrong armor. Plus, he moved so slow in the temple too. By the time she entered, there was no hope at winning. And with her little time, she actually made some progress. First, she cleverly avoided the central shaft and cut straight into the King's Storeroom (something Nick failed to do). Secondly, she almost finished the Silver Monkey before time was up. I don't really mind if people don't think that she is nothing special. But to compare her to Dana and Lauren? Those two were a waste of space. I can guarantee that if Jennifer went into the temple first, the Madame Tussaud run would've more successful. Even if she chose to go up the central shaft like her partner.

And I don't blame you for being indifferent to the Bent Shaving Pan run. I probably felt like that when I first watched it myself. But then people started feeling sorry for Brian and Irish and that is when I started hating it. This is an episode that will go on my blacklist because there is nothing special about it.  :roll: Bent Shaving Pan also kind of reminds me of Attila the Hun. People feel sorry for Rachelle because of the long path she had to take. Yet, she moved way too slow as a frontrunner. Unlike Bent Shaving Pan though, I actually don't have a problem with Attila the Hun. Will I go back and watch it? Definitely not. But I can show some sympathy for Rachelle. She had a little bad luc with her path.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 01, 2014, 03:44:01 PM
Yeah, even if Jennifer DID mean anything mal intended with her shouting, can you blame her? Nicholas was moving like a slow moving rock in the temple. He pretty much ruined the whole temple run. By the time Jennifer went inside the temple, victory was impossible by then. I always thought Jennifer was just over excited, if anything I thought she was more encouraging to Nicholas in a way. There's a difference between shouting words of encouragement, and shouting words of frustration. Lauren and Dana were in the latter category. Unlike Jennifer, Lauren and Dana made ZERO progress in the temple, when they hypocritically shouted at their respective partners from the sidelines. Yes victory was hopeless for the Bent Shaving Pan team by the time Irish was taken out. But you have to at least TRY to make up for some time. You're totally right that this run would've turned out A LOT better if Jennifer had gone in first instead. Hell I think it even might've been a solo victory had she gone in first instead. Then people wouldn't think she was this horrible person. :roll:

And I totally agree that I didn't start hating Bent Shaving Pan until people completely out of nowhere starting defending Brian. It literally came out of nowhere. I just don't see how we went from thinking nothing of Brian, to defending him and suddenly we're "hating on him too much." I might even skip over that episode too with all the re watching of episodes I've been doing. And I agree about Rachelle from Golden Goblet too. People feel sorry for her too because she both moved too slow, and had a hard layout. But at least Rachelle knew somewhat what she was doing. And she did have a valid excuse for losing, her layout was hard. I feel sorry for Rachelle a little bit, but not by much. Plus, nobody talks about her THAT much anyways. Probably because Golden Goblet is also a forgettable episode, just like Bent Shaving Pan. But there's nothing remarkable about Bent Shaving Pan whatsoever. It's funny how it had all three temple games in common with Xerxes, which totally helps it case. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 02, 2014, 01:08:52 AM
These are the second runners that do not deserve sympathy for making little progress:
- Jessica (Lost Fountain of Youth)
- Roberto (Leonardo Da Vinci)
- Rinette (Mata Hari)
- Dana (Smashed Printing Plate)
- Lauren (William Tell)
- Brian (Bent Shaving Pan)

Anyone I am missing? I know I am probably overlooking a couple, but none of these players deserve sympathy. They actually had enough time to do something, but totally blew it. This worst offender is Lauren. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 02, 2014, 01:15:50 AM
I agree with all except Roberto. I know he made some weird moves in the temple, but he was more unremarkable than he was bad. I don't know, I feel like if Roberto is on this list, so should Chris from Stone Marker. I mean, didn't he try to enter the Bamboo Forest himself when time ran out? =/
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 02, 2014, 01:20:34 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot about Chris entering the Bamboo Forest. And we were just talking about Stone Marker's run. :lol: Maybe I would include both Roberto and Chris as an honorable mention. The reason I mentioned Roberto was because:

1.) He never tried all three tongues in the Gargoyle Room. (Even though this was a clever move and the Trouble Bridge probably would've opened)
2.) He put himself in the giant wheel when he didn't need to.

But both players had impossible layouts, so maybe I should just leave them off the list. :P
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 02, 2014, 01:31:48 AM
Probably not a bad idea. :P Otherwise, I agree with all the rest of them. Especially Jessica from Ponce de Leon. That girl kept going between the Observatory and the Treasure Room for no reason. Is she trying to recreate Cricket Cage here, entering all the same rooms? :roll: That's a contestant I don't know why people defend. But I guess just because "she was fast" and "didn't have a lot of time," she gets a free pass.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 02, 2014, 01:53:08 AM
And since we are talking about second runners with little time, why not create a list of the contestants that actually used their time well despite victory being far out of reach? These contestants never seem to get enough credit. I name this the "down, but not out" contestants:

- Jennifer (Blue Pearl)
- Zac (Bandit Queen) (I know he gets a lot of praise, but it was very impressive that with 1:18 left that he still pulled off a victory and completed 3 rooms to do so. That's how you move in the temple, folks!)
- Nick (Annie Oakley) (Even if he didn't make any progress, at least he made it to where Chandra was taken out after she was removed one room away. And he took a shortcut.)
- Katie (Imperial Wizard)
- Elisa (Ivan the Terrible)
- Matthew (Belle Boyd)
- Jennifer (Madame Tussaud) (She took a shortcut and almost completed the Silver Monkey)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 02, 2014, 02:07:23 AM
Wait, Nick the "Let's put the King's Storeroom key in an awkward place" guy is on this list? ;) I do agree with you though, he used the Mine Shaft/Shrine passage instead of waiting for the elevator to come back up. Something Chandra failed to do. I totally agree with you on Jennifer from Melted Head too. At least she was a shouter who pulled her weight and had something to show for. Same with Jay from Good Luck Watch.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 02, 2014, 02:16:53 AM
I think Nick deserves a place on this list.  :mrpurple: With 45 seconds left, he actually made it to where Chandra was taken out. That is pretty good considering he to enter 8 rooms to get there. Most Season 2 contestants would give up on the bottom floor.

And time for another list.  :lol: Here is a list of players that had to earned the right to shout at their partners:
- Fred (Anne Bonny) - Fred moved fast in her short time in the temple. Plus, Ron was screwing around too much.
- TJ (Metal Beard) - He also moved fast in the temple and Randy's exit plan was a valid reason for screaming.
- Elisa (Ivan the Terrible) - Awesome comeback.  :mrgreen:
- Jay (Empress Eugenie) - Another awesome comeback and he might've pulled it off if it wasn't for the Jester's Court detour.
- Jennifer (Madame Tussaud) - Unpopular opinion.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 02, 2014, 02:29:02 AM
I'm not saying Nick didn't deserve it. It was just weird to me what he did to the King's Storeroom key. :lol: I totally agree about TJ from Metal Beard, another episode I've seen recently. Can you imagine if Randy did NOT make it out in time? We probably would've had another "fall to your knees" scenario ala Chris from Golden Pepperoni. :lol: I also agree with Jennifer. Like I said above, contestants like her, TJ, and Jay had something to show for in their runs. Same with all the other contestants you listed. Jennifer is definitely not a terrible player in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on May 02, 2014, 10:16:38 AM
Add me to the list of few people who think Jennifer gets too much flack. I mean, there's no way she would win with the time she had left because of the freaking partner wasting time. And she's not the only one who shouted. Dana and Lauren shouted less than her and they were much, MUCH worse. And at least Jennifer made some progress. She skipped the central shaft completely (granted, it is risky since they don't know where the half pendant is) and almost assembled the Monkey compared to those two I mentioned.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 02, 2014, 02:29:33 PM
The funny part about Dana is that even with 20 seconds, she still screwed up. She took the bottom door of the Ledges that led to the bottom door of the pit... And while I can understand her shouting at her incompetent partner, she was more rude than encouraging. She is definitely the worst of the bunch. :roll: Lauren was not really as mean as Dana, but she also yelled way more than her too. It was like she couldn't stop screaming for 2 seconds. And Brett was no where near as bad as Jason either. And she made the same amount of progress as Dana, but she had a minute to herself.

RP was right when he said "Lauren fails as a human being."  :roll:  :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 02, 2014, 04:11:07 PM
I still remember the exact quote Renegade said about Lauren:

"Lauren fails as a human being. If you yell incessantly at your partner to hurry up, but it takes you over ten seconds to get from where Kirk is standing to the Ledges, then you should NOT be on the show."

I cracked up so hard when I first read that. And it's still funny today. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 01:09:07 AM
Most of RP's reviews were great. These were the ones that were the most memorable and always made me laugh:

- Golden Cricket Cage
- Blackbeard
- Lost Hammer
- Robin Hood
- Grandy Nanny
- Missing Weather Maps
- Icarus
- Enormous Feather
- William Tell
- Smashed Printing Plate
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 03, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
I liked how Blackbeard's episode summary was nothing more than a timeline, just to emphasize how dumb Sabrina was. :lol: And the summary for Cricket Cage was just great. Here's my favorite part of the summary:

"The temple diagram above speaks for itself, this is easily the worst temple run in the entire series. Anyone who questions that is as retarded as John and Tia were."
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 01:19:57 AM
I also remember another line from the Golden Cricket Cage review.

"You thought the girl from Blackbeard's Treasure Map was mentally challenged? These two jokes made it through four rooms in 3 minutes". I also liked how he emphasized how John was out a breath at the end of his run, as if he ran a marathon. These are lines that I can never forget.  :lol:  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 03, 2014, 01:46:17 AM
Plus, I liked his description on how Karisa "was the most retarded contestant of Season 3." That was brilliant. :lol:

While we're on the subject of Enormous Feather, they had to have been one of the most undeserving teams to make it to the temple. I've seen people like outerspace say that teams like Enormous Feather and Lily Crested Crown "were great teams and deserved to go to the temple." For Enormous Feather's reasoning, it was because the Purple Parrots "only won the third temple game." For Lily Crested Crown, apparently the Purple Parrots cheated in their temple games. Is that really true? I've seen Lily Crested Crown a bunch of times, and I didn't see any cheating at all. And if there was, it certainly was an honest mistake. Maybe I'm just not seeing something here.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 01:50:04 AM
outer space was so hypocritical that I wonder if he is trolling or being serious at times. :? It's funny that he would call Karisa and David a deserving team, but then he would criticize the War Fan team for going to the temple for the same way. I remember he even told a couple of people that we should not feel sorry for Jeremy and Elise. :roll: Seriously, his logic was very twisted sometimes. I mean this is the same person that called Chris from Lost Lariat" one of the "smartest players of Season 1". Really? And I don't remember any cheating in Lily-Crested Crown. If there was cheating, I am sure I would've already known now like we do with Ron and Jason from Printing Plate.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 03, 2014, 01:55:23 AM
Yeah, I remember when he called Jeremy and Elise a horrible team, and said they didn't deserve to go to the temple. Yet Karisa and David were a deserving team just because "the Purple Parrots only won the third temple game." Hello, look at David and Karisa all episode for crying out loud. They barely scraped by the whole episode, while the Purple Parrots were pretty dominant at least until the tiebreaker. I usually don't like when teams barely win their third game, then go to the temple. But look at what Metal Beard and Lucky Pillow did with their comeback. He also said the Melted Head team "deserved to go to the temple" as well. But that one I'll give to him, see previous discussions of Jennifer and Nicholas.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 01:57:55 AM
Also, I decided to compile a list of temple runs I feel that are overrated:

- Shaka Zulu (No, you are not the best run ever because you have the fastest win)
- Anne Bonny (Ron blew this one the second he entered the temple. It was not an exciting and nail biter run)
- Butch Cassidy (A run that gets compared to many great episodes. Except that Paula was really not that great of a contestant)
- Ahmed Baba (There is just nothing special about this win whatsoever)
- Bent Shaving Pan (Why would anyone ever feel sorry for Irish and Brian? They were slow as crap and Irish even looked clueless at time. I don't feel sorry for the one room away guard either)
- Icarus (I found this whole run to be more painful than exciting and memorable)
- Roland (Yakerra did good, but she wasn't that great for Season 3 standards)
- Thornwood Gavel (Mike was great, but Kelli ruined this temple run just as bad as Karisa. So why does this one get love?)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 01:59:56 AM
Yeah, I remember when he called Jeremy and Elise a horrible team, and said they didn't deserve to go to the temple. Yet Karisa and David were a deserving team just because "the Purple Parrots only won the third temple game." Hello, look at David and Karisa all episode for crying out loud. They barely scraped by the whole episode, while the Purple Parrots were pretty dominant at least until the tiebreaker. I usually don't like when teams barely win their third game, then go to the temple. But look at what Metal Beard and Lucky Pillow did with their comeback. He also said the Melted Head team "deserved to go to the temple" as well. But that one I'll give to him, see previous discussions of Jennifer and Nicholas.

I am not really a fan of teams that come back in their last temple games, but this does not apply to all teams. Atahualpa, Davy Crockett, Metal Beard, and Annie Taylor are episodes that I feel their teams deserved to go to the temple. Alhambra and Butch Cassidy on the other hand did not deserve to do so.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 03, 2014, 02:01:38 AM
Wait a second, Thornwood Gavel? I always thought you liked that run because of Mike. He was a great player, it was Kelli who screwed everything up. I totally agree on the rest though.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 02:03:58 AM
Wait a second, Thornwood Gavel? I always thought you liked that run because of Mike. He was a great player, it was Kelli who screwed everything up. I totally agree on the rest though.

Well, I enjoyed the earlier rounds of Thornwood Gavel. But the temple run is so painful to watch. This run reminds me of Enormous Feather and Charles Lindbergh. Mike was definitely awesome, but Kelli screwed up bad. I don't know, it feels like Thornwood Gavel gets a little praise around here. And it feels like it is compared to Dolley Madison a little bit. But Dolley Madison was exciting at least and Ashlie was much better than Kelli.  ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 03, 2014, 02:09:17 AM
I completely agree, Thornwood Gavel is only good for the pre temple rounds. The temple games were especially unique too. I even liked the "unconscious traveler" touch they did with the bucking horse game. :lol: But the temple run is definitely cringe worthy thanks to Kelli. Could've been a win if she didn't screw around in uncleared rooms. :roll:

And Ashlie was a lot better than Kelli in every aspect. Before her choke job in the Dark Forest, she moved very fast through every room. Plus, at least she reached the artifact before time ran out. I feel like Ashlie is also underrated around here. I mean, people give her flack for her confusion in the Dark Forest. Yet Tess from Sojourner Truth screws up MUCH more than Ashlie, but gets nothing but praise for it. I definitely prefer Ashlie over both Kelli and Tess. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 03, 2014, 03:20:05 PM
I enjoy the Dolley Madison run since day one. Even though Ashlie and Matt made some mistakes that prevented them from winning, they still moved fast and made this run enjoyable. I enjoy runs like Cobra Staff, Sir Edmund Hillary, Henry Morgan, Battle Flag, Dolley Madison, Belle Boyd, etc. where the teams make mistakes in the temple, but their runs are still enjoyable because the players move fast and are smart. I definitely agree that Ashlie is underrated. I am shocked when people compare her to Karisa or Kim from Charles Lindbergh sometimes.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 03, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
You forgot Leopard Skin Cloak. Since Chandra did make the mistake of taking the elevator. I can't be the only one who likes this run. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 04, 2014, 01:22:12 AM
What do you guys think of the Empress Theodora run? This run probably featured the next closest artifact grabbing after the Blue Pearl run. Did you think this run was exciting? Did the Mine Shaft elevator rob Josh and Ashley of a failed escape? I never hear much talk about this run. I want to know what you guys think? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on May 04, 2014, 01:24:27 AM
I feel no sympathy for the run tbh. Ashley was way too slow. And I don't think the elevator stalled. Josh did let go of the actuators in the elevator. He tried to dive for it, but ultimately failed.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 04, 2014, 01:41:13 AM
I agree, this team moved way too slow in the temple. Nobody ever seems to point out how slow Ashley moved in the temple. She was as slow as people like Kerry and Leah from Blackfeet Chief. And those two get criticized all the time. Plus, Josh was not much faster himself. And he never let the Mine Shaft elevator descend all the way either. People usually blame the elevator for the team not reaching the Robe, but it was their own fault. I use to think that this run was exciting, but now I am indifferent to it. But I definitely agree that it was their fault for not winning.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 04, 2014, 01:43:26 AM
I also don't feel sorry for them for not winning. Ashley and Joshua were too slow. I like Blue Pearl better. ;) :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 04, 2014, 01:45:10 AM
I also don't feel sorry for them for not winning. Ashley and Joshua were too slow. I like Blue Pearl better. ;) :mrorange:

I agree 100%. I can't believe that people compare these two runs. Blue Pearl was amazing and very exciting, and Empress Theodora is just plain average. Blue Pearl never gets old.  :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 04, 2014, 01:50:01 AM
Plus, Blue Pearl was MUCH more of a nailbiter. And it was more memorable. You were at the edge of your seat thinking "Is Jennifer gonna grab the pearl in time?" Sure, Albert moved too slowly in the temple, and even he picked up the pace eventually. And Jennifer was an great second runner. The way she retraced Albert's steps was nothing short of amazing. :mrorange: Though she should learn to crawl. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 04, 2014, 01:56:22 AM
Plus, Blue Pearl was MUCH more of a nailbiter. And it was more memorable. You were at the edge of your seat thinking "Is Jennifer gonna grab the pearl in time?" Sure, Albert moved too slowly in the temple, and even he picked up the pace eventually. And Jennifer was an great second runner. The way she retraced Albert's steps was nothing short of amazing. :mrorange: Though she should learn to crawl. :lol:

And Kirk should keep his mouth shut too. He kept shouting at Jennifer to dive for it. I think she would've been fine if he didn't listen to him. Or if Albert got his act together earlier.  :oops: But still, I doubt they would care if they missed a stupid camera anyways. One of the most exciting losses though.  :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 04, 2014, 02:03:33 AM
Yeah, it's one of the few Orange Iguana episodes I even like. :mrorange: Imperial Robe was just average. I honestly forget that Joshua just fell short of reaching the robe. And their layout was rather easy too. Ashley and Joshua could've very well have won that layout, they just moved too slow.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 04, 2014, 12:20:59 PM
I also don't feel sorry for them for not winning. Ashley and Joshua were too slow. I like Blue Pearl better. ;) :mrorange:

I agree 100%. I can't believe that people compare these two runs. Blue Pearl was amazing and very exciting, and Empress Theodora is just plain average. Blue Pearl never gets old.  :mrorange:

I'd imagine people compare them because they are both runs in which the contestant was within inches of the artifact when time expired. And not only were they close to the artifact, but they each were already in the room with the artifact for a good 10 or so seconds. The reason each of these contestants could not get to their artifact in time was because of the fact that they had to "complete" the room objective. Josh had to ride the elevator down, and Jennifer had to crawl through the Holes of Python. Conversely, most other teams could just enter the room with the artifact, grab it, and go.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on May 05, 2014, 10:21:18 AM
I was watching the Silk Sash run again. Does anyone have any idea what the ideal layout for that run is supposed to be?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 05, 2014, 03:56:15 PM
I have no idea there. Maybe they were supposed to go straight to the artifact, ala Applewood Amulet and Cleopatra? We'll never really know, since Steven didn't put the stone column together correctly.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 05, 2014, 07:49:02 PM
I think the "ideal" path for Silk Sash of Mulan was to enter Medusa's Lair from the Pit, and from there, to go down to the Laser Light Room, then back up from the Jesters' Court to the King's Storeroom. Not only would that make the Observatory guard avoidable (which we know what almost always the case), but it would also create a similar layout to Golden Goblet of Attila the Hun, which was taped immediately afterwards (and we know how much the producers liked to group layout styles/difficulties).
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 05, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I think the Silk Sash team might've actually been able to enter the King's Storeroom from the Observatory. But at the same time, there is also the possibility that it was a "Missing Eye" type path down the central shaft. Here is the possible scenarios that come to mind:

1.) This layout will be exactly like Snake Bracelet and Applewood Amulet where the team could've taken the top floor to the entire artifact.
2.) This layout would've been similar to Mush Pot Hat where Steven would've had a path on the top floor all the way to the Shrine, but then he would've been forced down to the Mine Shaft and take the slow elevator.
3.) The Observatory was the beginning of a long path for the reason PP4L mentioned. If the Observatory would've opened to the King's Storeroom, that would've meant that Jesus and Steven wouldn't have one path where all three guards were forced. Not that it would be the first time that would happen (it happened in Thornwood Gavel and Henry Hudson too). And that would make the path similar to Attila the Hun, the run taped after Silk Sash.

Not that it mattered, because the Blue Barracudas were a pathetic team. I personally hate this run more than I use to. Mostly because this team was pretty undeserving and their performance was lackluster. People criticize runs like Golden Pepperoni and Iron Mask too much, but overlook crappy performances like in Silk Sash.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 05, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
Jesus? What's a Jesus? :lol:

I'm guessing you mean Jessie....
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 05, 2014, 10:21:38 PM
And frankly, I don't hate Iron Mask at all. I don't have any problems with that run. It's unexciting yes, besides Danielle's detour into Medusa's Lair and Justin's head first slide in the Dark Forest. But I don't think it's a terrible run by any means. Same with Golden Pepperoni, in which everyone blows Aqila's passing of the pepperoni way out of proportion. I definitely dislike Silk Sash a lot more. =/
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 02:42:49 PM
Yeah, Silk Sash has more problems than Iron Mask and Golden Pepperoni. Iron Mask is definitely not a bad temple run either. It was just one mistake that ruined the whole run. Danielle and Justin still made it one room away despite the mistake. And if Danielle stayed low, she would've had a solo victory like Ahmed Baba. Except it would've been more impressive since she moved faster than Shane. Golden Pepperoni was not bad until the last two seconds of the run. Even then, Aqila's brain fart makes this run memorable. :lol: I like these two runs way more than Silk Sash. Silk Sash deserves more criticism.  :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Viper on May 06, 2014, 03:04:18 PM
I agree with PP4L's reasoning. The Observatory guard was probably just there to detriment them if they wasted time by going into that room.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 09:54:14 PM
What if Marie and Claude from Lost Lion Tail actually won their team game fairly without the Silver Snakes dropping their signs? Would they get a little less criticism for their temple appearance? I know the temple run would still be frowned upon thanks to Claude's incompetence, but do you think it would have such a bad reputation? I don't know, it feels like some teams carry a reputation to the temple before they even enter it. Like Ron and his cheating making the temple run look bad before even entering the temple.  :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 06, 2014, 10:01:48 PM
They probably wouldn't get THAT bad of a reputation. They would still get viewed the same way the teams in Oracle Bowl and Sacred Ring do, being lackluster temple runs. But I don't think Marie or Claude would get maligned nearly as much if they actually won their third game fair and square. You're right though, sometimes teams do carry a bad reputation with them to the temple. And it really sticks with you. Ron being the perfect example of that, like you mentioned. :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 10:10:39 PM
Here's a list of teams that get a bad reputation even before entering the temple:

* Golden Cricket Cage - Just because they are John and Tia. :roll:
* Alhambra - Lisa and Steve won their team game only, and then turn around and get to the temple only because the Silver Snakes get the tiebreaker questions wrong.
* Jean Lafitte - For the same reason as the Alhambra team, even though they don't receive the same level of criticism.
* Mata Hari - The Silver Snakes won the temple games on a couple of questionable calls, and the lackluster performance of the Blue Barracidas.
* Anne Bonny - For Ron cheating in the moat and getting away with it. Basically, his team didn't deserve to advance past the moat.
* Butch Cassidy - Paula and Matt barely scraping by, winning their team game on a close call, and basically coming from behind most times.
* Electrified Key - Peter and Michelle going to the temple after the Green Monkeys got the tiebreaker question wrong.
* Lost Lion Tail - Marie and Claude only got to the temple in the fist place because the Silver Snakes knocked down their Jean Petit sign in the team game while they were in the lead.
* Icarus - Jason and April's opponents screwed up an easy tiebreaker, and only for Jason to turn around and screw up the temple run too.
* Robert the Bruce - Jeremy cheating in his temple game even though he got punished and I see it as an honest mistake.
* Marble Armrest - For scraping by and having the easiest tiebreaker question ever. :roll:
* Smashed Printing Plate - Jason cheated twice in the temple games, and Dana's loud mouth makes them a hard team to like before the temple run even starts.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 06, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Out of those, the ones that get the least flack are Jean Lafitte and Electrified Key. Probably because those teams aren't nearly as memorable (or as controversial) as the other ones you mentioned. Also, nobody mentions Icarus either. Sure, Jason and April were a strong team pre temple, but they only got to the temple because the Silver Snakes choked at the tiebreaker. Only to have Jason go in there and screw everything up. I'm surprised nobody brings them up either. And they had a pretty easy tiebreaker question as well.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 10:29:24 PM
I can't believe I forgot Icarus' tiebreaker. :shock: Another piss easy tiebreaker question, and the Silver Snakes screwed it up. I would've known the answer to that as an 8 year old. I mean Atlantis is the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of a lost island. :roll:

I also added Smashed Printing Plate to the list too. Jason cheat not once, but twice in the temple games. And Dana was loud and annoying before the temple run. It is hard to like a team when they act like them.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 06, 2014, 10:35:28 PM
I also added Smashed Printing Plate to the list too. Jason cheat not once, but twice in the temple games. And Dana was loud and annoying before the temple run. It is hard to like a team when they act like them.  :roll:
Which is why I never go back and re watch the full episode, besides the one time I saw the full episode. :roll: Even if Jason did cheat, I would still consider him an incompetent player. If only the Parrots didn't get destroyed in the temple games. -_-

Here's a unrelated question for you: Which episode is the most nostalgic for you, but it's an episode and/or team you don't like? Like, do you remember an episode from your childhood, but it was a really crummy episode? My three most nostalgic episodes to me would be Geronimo, Joan of Arc, and Icarus. The latter we were just talking about. :lol: For Geronimo, it was my first ever Season 1 episode. And I remember thinking "Wow, the temple/set looks so much different from the latter two seasons." And it was my favorite episode at one point. XD I pretty much felt the same way about Joan of Arc. Icarus I remember watching on Aaron's site back in the day. Like Geronimo, I actually liked the temple run and thought it was an exciting nailbiter. But now I dislike both temple runs. How about you? Which episodes bring back a lot of memories for you, for better or worse? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 11:30:17 PM
I don't see Icarus as a really crummy episode until the temple run. So that is not really a bad thing for liking it. ;) Same with Joan of Arc. I can't stand Geronimo though, and not just because of the win. The Steps of Knowledge was almost as bad as Trojan Horseshoe and the rest of the episode is mediocre.

Here are some nostalgic episodes that were not really good:

Alhambra: Out of all the Red Jaguars episodes, I remember this one the most. Why? I remember the ball throwing game and the temple game where the players had to climb the wall and put the color panels at the top. And I remember the wall not breaking down and Lisa getting turned around. :oops:

Anne Bonny: I remember the legend being cool because it was about a female pirate. I also remember the rare temple rooms from this layout and Ron blowing an easy win.

Lucky Pig: This was the first episode I remember from Nick GaS. Mainly for the Bamboo Forest temple game and Kristen entering every room and getting lost. Also, for how excited Kirk was and supportive Scott was. And I use to feel sorry for Kristen too. -_-

Cracked Crown: An episode way overplayed on Nick GaS that when I came back in 2009, this is the first episode that came to mind. I can never forget how boring this episode is and how I hate every round. And I can never forget Kerry's slow ass either. :evil:

Cosa Rara: I HATE THIS EPISODE! An episode I remember from a long time ago back during the original airings of this show. And it was overplayed a lot on Nick GaS too. It hate everything about this episode. I could go die in a fire and i still won't miss it. ;)

Bifocal Monocle: I remember the retarded legend about Bluebeard disguising himself as a girl, the stupid artifact, the boy that could not jump in the temple games, and the horrible temple run. And for some reason, I remember that this was the last episode booyouwhore/PPF needed to see for completion. ;)

Imperial Wizard: Kind of like Joan of Arc is memorable for you, I remember this episode for the creepy crawlies temple game and how Jared stalled in the Dark Forest and Katie's amazing comeback but falling short. I remember this from the Nick days. Not really a bad episode, but not really a good one too.

These are just the episodes that were rubbish in some way. I can list a lot of nostalgic episodes that were good. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 06, 2014, 11:38:06 PM
Oh yeah, Icarus was definitely a decent, if not exciting episode before the temple run. I remember the double sweep on the steps, the tiebreaker fail, and of course the temple run, where everything fell apart. But the temple run is so frustrating because Jason had everything in the bag, but blew it. But even then, it was still a nailbiter, and I'd be lying if I said it was a dull, uneventful run. ;) Joan of Arc isn't a bad episode either, but it was more boring, and nothing really happened. I only mentioned it because it was yet another episode I saw from Jon and/or Aaron's site from a LONG time ago. I also remember watching Oracle Bowl, Ponce de Leon, and Pytheas from Jon's site a long time ago. And those episodes aren't that great either, save for perhaps Oracle Bowl. I totally agree about Geronimo, especially the Steps round. Even the Blue Barracudas got some answers wrong. I also remember watching Xerxes, Cosa Rara, and Cracked Crown from back in the day too. If those episodes died in a fire, I certainly wouldn't miss them. :roll:

And PS, I wasn't the one who needed to see Bifocal Monocle for completion. That was TPP, so you got that part wrong. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 11:44:34 PM
I knew it was a Purple Parrot fan that needed Bifocal Monocle. And they were utterly disappointed when they first watched it. I guess that is a good thing that was not your last episode needed. :oops:

What was the last episode that you needed for completion? For me, it was the Stolen Arm of Shiva. Just because Nick GaS rarely played it and I don't ever recall anything about it back in the day. It is yet another episode that could die in a fire and no one would care or miss it. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 06, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
I believe "The Ruby Earring of Benzibab" was my last episode that I needed for completion. Back when the CNS downloads were posted back in 2009. I remember "The Ivory Hunting Horn of Roland" was my second to last episode, and Benzibab was THE last. And that right there was when I at long last saw all 120 full episodes of the show. So luckily for me, I picked a great episode to have "120 episode completion" on. :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 11:53:27 PM
If you were kamehameha, you would've died of impatience if Benzibab was your last episode.  :mrsilver:

I don't know if this question has been asked, but what Orange Iguana win do you guys like better? Atocha or Nostradamus? Both wins get a lot of praise and both rank high on people's list. So which one do you prefer?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 06, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
I probably would've thrown a parade if I were kamehameha. Especially since I missed the Nickelodeon airing of Benzibab. :mrsilver:

And to answer your question, I like Nostradamus better. It was very exciting and great teamwork by both Elizabeth and Jason. Atocha is a great run too, and Ty owned everything. But I just thought Nostradamus had more going for it, and it was more exciting overall. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 06, 2014, 11:58:40 PM
Interesting, I actually like Atocha better than Nostradamus. Don't get me wrong, I love Nostradamus. But I thought Atocha was very exciting from beginning to end. The pendant drop at the beginning was very memorable and Kirk's enthusiasm was great in this run. I loved the Ty Cobb line too. And Ty's strategy of staying high was clever too. Elizabeth and Jason were a good team too, but I felt the excitement factor was better in Atocha. ;)  :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 07, 2014, 01:02:06 AM
Yeah, Atocha was very exciting, for the very same reasons you stated. If Ty had entered the Crypt instead, he wouldn't have run into any guards. And then he wouldn't have had his pendant thrown back to him. Imagine how amazing that would've been. :o But I just like Nostradamus a little more because of Jason and Elizabeth's effort in the temple, and for the teamwork. Like Elizabeth signaling back the half pendant for Jason. And it was memorable for Jason very cleverly utilizing the leash to help him reach the Pit rope. Nostradamus was a little bit better to me in my opinion. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Viper on May 07, 2014, 04:01:45 PM
Does anyone else think that the Dead Man's Hand layout was too brutal? I think having all 3 central shaft rooms open from the pit, and forcing the time to climb up from the swamp was a bit much. I guess they're expectations were too high when the show started filming  :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 07, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Yeah, Dead Man's Hand was a completely broken, unwinnable layout. Couldn't they just open the Swamp/Golden Idols door? It certainly would've made for some interesting layouts. Plus, you can't blame neither Josh or Sara for not seeing the Throne Room/Swamp door open just a crack. The Throne Room was so terribly lit, that it was hard to see the door open. The producers definitely expected way too much out of these kids.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 07, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
Yeah, the Dead Man's Hand team was robbed with their layout. I know people call Sarah and Josh unremarkable and slow players, but can you really blame them? That layout was horrible and riddled with dead ends. It didn't matter what team had this layout, they would probably would've had the same success as Sarah and Josh. I always give these two a free pass like I do with Belshazzar because this layout was bizarre and impossible. Another team I would give a second chance. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 07, 2014, 10:33:57 PM
Which player do you guys feel failed harder in the temple - Kim (Charles Lindbergh) or Karisa (Enormous Feather)?

It seems like Karisa gets more hate for screwing up her run, but I feel that Kim sucked harder than Karisa. Kim only had to complete two rooms and then she could've grabbed the Weather Maps. But she failed in every way possible like running in the wrong direction and moving super slow. Plus, she passed the Dark Forest when the door opened. Karisa sucked ass too, but at least she completed more tough rooms than Kim and actually grabbed her artifact. Kim was just... extra special. -_-
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 07, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
Yeah, neither the Dead Man's Hand or Belshazzar teams were bad at all. They were just extremely unlucky.

Here's another question for you. We were just talking about the bad episodes we remember very well. What are some good episodes you are nostalgic for? That brings back so many memories for you. For me, my most memorable/nostalgic episodes are Discarded Seal, Lucky Pillow, Sir Gawain, and Bandit Queen by far. Those were the only episodes on YouTube way back in the day, and I would watch those episodes all the time. I also remember watching Leopard Skin Cloak and Blue Pearl on Jon's site a long time ago too. What are some good episodes you remember very well? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 07, 2014, 10:37:15 PM
Which player do you guys feel failed harder in the temple - Kim (Charles Lindbergh) or Karisa (Enormous Feather)?

It seems like Karisa gets more hate for screwing up her run, but I feel that Kim sucked harder than Karisa. Kim only had to complete two rooms and then she could've grabbed the Weather Maps. But she failed in every way possible like running in the wrong direction and moving super slow. Plus, she passed the Dark Forest when the door opened. Karisa sucked ass too, but at least she completed more tough rooms than Kim and actually grabbed her artifact. Kim was just... extra special. -_-
I can definitely see how Kim failed harder, but I think Karisa failed a little more. I mean, David cleared a great path for her on the bottom floor, and left her 2+ minutes, and she completely screwed up. She didn't even know what to do in the Quicksand Bog for crying out loud! Granted, she did reach her artifact, but she was easily "the most retarded contestant of Season 3." According to TMH at least. :lol:

Though it is easy for me to say. Considering I've blocked every aspect of Missing Weather Maps out of my memory. O_O
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 07, 2014, 10:45:33 PM
Yeah, neither the Dead Man's Hand or Belshazzar teams were bad at all. They were just extremely unlucky.

Here's another question for you. We were just talking about the bad episodes we remember very well. What are some good episodes you are nostalgic for? That brings back so many memories for you. For me, my most memorable/nostalgic episodes are Discarded Seal, Lucky Pillow, Sir Gawain, and Bandit Queen by far. Those were the only episodes on YouTube way back in the day, and I would watch those episodes all the time. I also remember watching Leopard Skin Cloak and Blue Pearl on Jon's site a long time ago too. What are some good episodes you remember very well? ;)

Now this is a question I can answer. All of these episodes I remember from my childhood or from Nick GaS:

- Galileo: I remember Jennifer saying Jammin John's name with extra emphasis and Jammin John in general. I also remember the exciting temple run and the one second victory where John drops the cannonball... twice. :lol: This will always be my most favorite Silver Snakes episode. :mrsilver:

- Lost Gold Mine: I definitely remember this from my childhood and Nick GaS. There is a reason this episode is in my top 5 and it is because it was great and memorable all the way through. Jennifer's slipping and Kirk's extreme Fogg-ups stick out.

- Cobra Staff - I remember this being my first Purple Parrots episode. It is definitely a good watch, and I remember the mummy wrapping game and the unusual temple run where both players were polar opposites of each other.

- Lawrence of Arabia: An episode that I remember from the Nickelodeon days. David owning the bottom floor of the temple and climbing the wall climb to score the one second win is something I can't forget. :mrgreen:

- Atocha: I loved the Orange Iguanas enthusiasm in this episode and the close temple games. Also, Kirk's excitement during the temple run and Ty's memorable performance is something you can't forget.

- Freydis: Another episode that I remember by heart from the silly legend to Tarrah's amazing win. :mrpurple:

- Polynesian Girl: I love the artist theme in this episode and of course remember the close temple run and Kristen's silly poses. And how the Priceless Portrait stuck out like a sore thumb. :lol:

- Sir Gawain: How could you not forget this episode if you had Nick GaS?

- Pirate Captain: I remember the temple games where both teams were amazing, and of course the best team the show has ever seen! :mrgreen:

- Queen Boadicea: I remember Lissy and Nate dominating the earlier rounds and the temple run where Nate looks so disappointed in the end. :lol:

- BENZIBAB!111!!1: Another episode I remember from the original Nick days. I remember the silly legend and Kirk's "You got it my brother line". :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 07, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
Another episode I remember from way back when is Lost Hornpipe. That episode I watched in Aaron's site. I remember finding that episode to be really quirky. Maybe that was just because it was the first Season 3 episode I saw that was NOT Sir Gawain or Bandit Queen. :lol: I remember the slippery footpath moat, the "musical thing that does a jig" answer on the steps, the close competition between the Purple Parrots and the Green Monkeys in the temple games, and of course the temple run. :mrgreen: Even today I find Lost Hornpipe to be one of the more quirky episodes. Not that it detracts from what an amazing episode it is. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 09, 2014, 12:56:37 AM
Do you guys think it was harder for a team to NOT win in the Silk Ladder layout?  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: That layout was easy as hell, and I can see most any team winning in that layout. Even the Golden Cricket Cage kids because all it required was five rooms to win. And all of those rooms were hit the actuators. I literally can't think of a team that can't win this layout.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 09, 2014, 01:03:03 AM
Anyone would've won with Silk Ladder's layout. That was gonna be a win no matter what team went to the temple. :roll: Could've been an easy Purple Parrots win. Even if they weren't very impressive in the temple games. :(
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 09, 2014, 01:05:09 AM
The funny part is that I think Jeremy almost pulled a Ron and went down the central shaft.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: Sorry, but I really hate that kid. He was so slow and looked clueless. I have no problems with Erika, but Jeremy is probably my least favorite temple victory next to Bobby.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 09, 2014, 01:08:19 AM
Honestly, I don't like Erika either. Yes she was speedy, but she wasn't THAT impressive. I don't know, maybe I would've felt differently about this run if the Purple Parrots got that layout instead.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 09, 2014, 01:09:34 AM
Let's just say that this team probably wouldn't have won in any other layout in Season 1. Not even in Davy Crockett, which was just one extra room. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 09, 2014, 01:14:37 AM
Or if they had this temple in say.... Season 2 or Season 3. They would've gotten eaten alive in a later season temple. Same with Bobby from Shaka Zulu. Let's see him get the "best/quickest win ever" in a Season 3 temple. He'd get eaten alive. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 11, 2014, 09:31:25 PM
Another two teams I'd like to discuss are the Robert the Bruce and Hans Holbein teams. These two Season 3 Chamber of the Sacred Markers runs share quite a few similarities, yet they appear to be perceived very differently. From my understanding, the general consensus is that Robert the Bruce is considered to be one of the worst runs of Season 3 (and in some people's minds, one of the worst of the whole show), while Hans Holbein is an average and forgettable run. However, I do not agree that this should be the case.

The Hans Holbein team faced a brutal layout that forced them to enter every single inner temple room, moving counterclockwise. Rachel entered the temple via the Crypt, encountered a guard there, was forced into the Ledges, and then went into the King's Storeroom from the Pit. She was removed in the Ancient Warriors. Keith then followed Rachel's path, entering the Crypt en route to the Ancient Warriors, encountered a guard in the Secret Password, and had time expire in the Dark Forest.

The Robert the Bruce faced a brutal layout that forced them to enter every single inner temple room, moving counterclockwise. Chrystine entered the temple via the Ledges, was forced into the Crypt, and went into the King's Storeroom from the Pit. She encountered a guard there and was removed one room later in the Ancient Warriors. Jeremy followed Chrystine's path, entering the Ledges en route to the Ancient Warriors, encountering a guard in the Quicksand Bog that forced the run to end (only one room shy of the other team).

As you can see, these runs are quite similar in their paths and general temple guard placements. Additionally, both girls were removed in the Ancient Warriors, and both male second runners entered an "extra" entrance room. So why is Robert the Bruce regarded in such lower esteem? The only major difference is that this run ended in triple capture. However, while Jeremy missed the extra half pendant, Keith entered the temple with a full pendant so a triple capture was impossible. On the other hand, Jeremy's run ended with a solid 30 seconds left on the clock, indicating that they were making better time than the Hans Holbein team.


Can someone enlighten me as to why Hans Holbein seems to be the favored of these two runs?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 11, 2014, 09:34:05 PM
The problem with Robert the Bruce was, both Jeremy and Christine moved much too slowly in the temple. And Jeremy passed up the half pendant. By Season 3, that's inexcusable. Also, the Hans Holbein team made it one room further than the Golden Spider Web kids. I know they didn't move fast either, but they were way more competent than the Golden Spider Web team was. The layout are similar, but I prefer Hans Holbein because at least Rachel and Keith looked like they knew what they were doing.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 11, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
The problem with Robert the Bruce was, both Jeremy and Christine moved much too slowly in the temple. And Jeremy passed up the half pendant. By Season 3, that's inexcusable. Also, the Hans Holbein team made it one room further than the Golden Spider Web kids. I know they didn't move fast either, but they were way more competent than the Golden Spider Web team was. The layout are similar, but I prefer Hans Holbein because at least Rachel and Keith looked like they knew what they were doing.

But as I already mentioned, although the Hans Holbein team made it one room further, they reached that room about 30 seconds later than the Robert the Bruce team did (seeing as how Jeremy already broke the stone wall down to the Dark Forest when the run officially ended). And there were plenty of other Season 3 teams to pass up half pendants, and they don't seem to take as much heat for passing it (Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb and Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain are two that come to mind from Season 3, and Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata also comes to mind from Season 2). So saying it is "inexcusable" means that it should be "inexcusable" for all teams, not just the Robert the Bruce team.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 11, 2014, 10:04:20 PM
But what about the Missing Eye team? They never found their half pendant, supposedly in Medusa's Lair. That pendant wasn't hidden very well. I would say they sort of had an excuse to not find their half pendant. So it doesn't apply to every single team who went to the temple with 1.5 pendants. Plus, it was almost never hidden well throughout most of Season 1. Hence some of the triple captures like Great Seal, Magellan, and Golden Ship. But of course this was Season 1 here, so I'm not sure if that counts.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 11, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
The Robert the Bruce team would've had more success if Jeremy wasn't so slow and hesitant in every room he entered. He tried putting himself in the suits of armor when the door to the Shrine was already open. And in the Shrine, he was fumbling the pieces of the Silver Monkey around. And he also missed one of the most obvious half-pendants in Season 3 too. The half-pendant was at eye level and right next to the door to the King's Storeroom, and Jeremy still missed it. I know Chrystine missed it in Lost Taj Mahal Turban, but her half-pendant was pretty high above the Chamber door and at least she went to try and go back to look for it. Jeremy did not. Overall, I can't stand the Robert the Bruce run mostly because I have seen it many times. Although I am not one of those people that say that Jeremy had the triple capture coming because of him cheating in the temple games. And I don't ever recall people showing much Missing Portrait much favoritism over Robert the Bruce either. If they do prefer Missing Portrait, than that is because it did not have the triple capture outcome. Truth be told, neither of them are remarkable in my book. I just dislike Robert the Bruce more due to seeing it buttload of times.

And I don't think every single run deserves criticism for missing the half-pendant either. In Pirate Captain, the half-pendant was hidden near one of the King's Storeroom jars. It was no where as obvious as Robert the Bruce's half-pendant. And people always criticize Jarrid for his detour into the Room of the Secret Password. People don't think any less of Jessica and Jarrid just because they missed the half-pendant. If they get criticism, so should the Roland team.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 11, 2014, 10:44:05 PM
The Robert the Bruce team would've had more success if Jeremy wasn't so slow and hesitant in every room he entered. He tried putting himself in the suits of armor when the door to the Shrine was already open. And in the Shrine, he was fumbling the pieces of the Silver Monkey around. And he also missed one of the most obvious half-pendants in Season 3 too. The half-pendant was at eye level and right next to the door to the King's Storeroom, and Jeremy still missed it. I know Chrystine missed it in Lost Taj Mahal Turban, but her half-pendant was pretty high above the Chamber door and at least she went to try and go back to look for it. Jeremy did not. Overall, I can't stand the Robert the Bruce run mostly because I have seen it many times. Although I am not one of those people that say that Jeremy had the triple capture coming because of him cheating in the temple games. And I don't ever recall people showing much Missing Portrait much favoritism over Robert the Bruce either. If they do prefer Missing Portrait, than that is because it did not have the triple capture outcome. Truth be told, neither of them are remarkable in my book. I just dislike Robert the Bruce more due to seeing it buttload of times.

And I don't think every single run deserves criticism for missing the half-pendant either. In Pirate Captain, the half-pendant was hidden near one of the King's Storeroom jars. It was no where as obvious as Robert the Bruce's half-pendant. And people always criticize Jarrid for his detour into the Room of the Secret Password. People don't think any less of Jessica and Jarrid just because they missed the half-pendant. If they get criticism, so should the Roland team.

Chrystine never went back to look for the half pendant in the Lost Taj Mahal Turban run. She stopped for a second, but never went back.

And what exactly does the Roland team have to do with your argument? The half pendant was in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, which was not even entered during the run.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 11, 2014, 10:56:03 PM
I forgot the Roland team didn't enter the Chamber.  :oops:

Also, I always see the Applewood Amulet team get criticized for passing the half-pendant since day one. A lot of people put other wins ahead of that one for that mistake alone. Hell, I have done the same thing in the past for Olivia-Emma and Robert. Obviously no one is going to mention it to the same extent as Nathan Hale or Robert the Bruce because it had no bearing on the final outcome of the run. Same thing with Jarrid and the Pirate Captain run. People always point out how Jarrid entering the Room of the Secret Password could've been costly. But people still praise them because there are more redeeming qualities about that run than that one mistake.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 11, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
I forgot the Roland team didn't enter the Chamber.  :oops:

Also, I always see the Applewood Amulet team get criticized for passing the half-pendant since day one. A lot of people put other wins ahead of that one for that mistake alone. Hell, I have done the same thing in the past for Olivia-Emma and Robert. Obviously no one is going to mention it to the same extent as Nathan Hale or Robert the Bruce because it had no bearing on the final outcome of the run. Same thing with Jarrid and the Pirate Captain run. People always point out how Jarrid entering the Room of the Secret Password could've been costly. But people still praise them because there are more redeeming qualities about that run than that one mistake.

And that "redeeming quality" is that the team ended up having the good fortune of not getting screwed over by their mistake and went on to win?

So if the Robert the Bruce team did not end up getting caught in triple capture due to the passing up of the half pendant, would this run be held in higher regard? Or for that matter, would any run that featured a triple capture be thought of more fondly if the team had time expire rather than get caught in triple capture?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 11, 2014, 11:18:08 PM
I forgot the Roland team didn't enter the Chamber.  :oops:

Also, I always see the Applewood Amulet team get criticized for passing the half-pendant since day one. A lot of people put other wins ahead of that one for that mistake alone. Hell, I have done the same thing in the past for Olivia-Emma and Robert. Obviously no one is going to mention it to the same extent as Nathan Hale or Robert the Bruce because it had no bearing on the final outcome of the run. Same thing with Jarrid and the Pirate Captain run. People always point out how Jarrid entering the Room of the Secret Password could've been costly. But people still praise them because there are more redeeming qualities about that run than that one mistake.

And that "redeeming quality" is that the team ended up having the good fortune of not getting screwed over by their mistake and went on to win?

So if the Robert the Bruce team did not end up getting caught in triple capture due to the passing up of the half pendant, would this run be held in higher regard? Or for that matter, would any run that featured a triple capture be thought of more fondly if the team had time expire rather than get caught in triple capture?

Would Robert the Bruce be held in higher regard? I guess so, because Jeremy and Christine would've added on a couple of rooms of progress and more people would look past the triple capture and show sympathy for them for the tough layout. It would probably still receive the same amount of attention as Missing Portrait. And Missing Portrait is not even that highly regarded around here anyways. And I can see a lot of runs getting more praise if they did not end in triple capture. Most notably, the runs where there was more than a minute left on the clock: Golden Ship, Missing Eye, and Harriet Tubman are the ones that come to mind.

Also, triple capture doesn't necessarily mean that the run is bad. Kamehameha and Great Seal ended in triple capture and some people still think highly of those runs.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 11, 2014, 11:28:41 PM
I forgot the Roland team didn't enter the Chamber.  :oops:

Also, I always see the Applewood Amulet team get criticized for passing the half-pendant since day one. A lot of people put other wins ahead of that one for that mistake alone. Hell, I have done the same thing in the past for Olivia-Emma and Robert. Obviously no one is going to mention it to the same extent as Nathan Hale or Robert the Bruce because it had no bearing on the final outcome of the run. Same thing with Jarrid and the Pirate Captain run. People always point out how Jarrid entering the Room of the Secret Password could've been costly. But people still praise them because there are more redeeming qualities about that run than that one mistake.

And that "redeeming quality" is that the team ended up having the good fortune of not getting screwed over by their mistake and went on to win?

So if the Robert the Bruce team did not end up getting caught in triple capture due to the passing up of the half pendant, would this run be held in higher regard? Or for that matter, would any run that featured a triple capture be thought of more fondly if the team had time expire rather than get caught in triple capture?

Would Robert the Bruce be held in higher regard? I guess so, because Jeremy and Christine would've added on a couple of rooms of progress and more people would look past the triple capture and show sympathy for them for the tough layout. It would probably still receive the same amount of attention as Missing Portrait. And Missing Portrait is not even that highly regarded around here anyways. And I can see a lot of runs getting more praise if they did not end in triple capture. Most notably, the runs where there was more than a minute left on the clock: Golden Ship, Missing Eye, and Harriet Tubman are the ones that come to mind.

Also, triple capture doesn't necessarily mean that the run is bad. Kamehameha and Great Seal ended in triple capture and some people still think highly of those runs.

Even so, would Kamehameha and Great Seal be thought of even more highly if their runs did not end in triple capture? Sure, Nick wouldn't have jumped out of the temple, but would they be more highly regarded for being more successful, even if it made the run less memorable in that way?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 11, 2014, 11:31:17 PM
I think Kamehameha and Great Seal would be highly regarded even more if they had actually won instead. Both Silver Snake teams were very strong and did great in the temple. I don't see any reason why neither run wouldn't be highly regarded.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 11, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
I think Kamehameha and Great Seal would be highly regarded even more if they had actually won instead. Both Silver Snake teams were very strong and did great in the temple. I don't see any reason why neither run wouldn't be highly regarded.

There's always a chance that viewers would consider them "average wins" or "forgettable." It seems that those phrases get tossed around pretty frequently.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 11, 2014, 11:35:54 PM
I can see Kamehameha being labeled as an "average win". People would probably say that Tina and Robbie only won because they had a Season 1 layout and most of their rooms were easy. I definitely would think highly of this win though. Same with Great Seal. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 11, 2014, 11:42:11 PM
Yeah, I would've thought highly of Kamehameha and Great Seal too if they turned out to be wins. Both runs were exciting enough despite their triple captures, and I certainly wouldn't have called either run forgettable. Even if they did have easy rooms. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 12, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
I brought this up a few pages back, and I want to bring this up again. Does anyone consider Lost Hornpipe to be a rather.... quirky episode? Don't get me wrong, it's a GREAT episode, easily one of the best episodes ever on the show. :mrgreen: But I always found it a bit more quirkier than most Season 3 episodes. The reason I say that is because of the "musical thing that does a jig" answers on the steps, and the unique temple game set ups. Then again, this was my first Season 3 episode that I saw after Bandit Queen, Discarded Seal, Sir Gawain, etc. So I might be alone on this. But I'm curious to see what your thoughts are. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 12, 2014, 10:51:56 PM
Nope, I totally agree with your about Pirate Captain being a quirky episode. I think I have mentioned it a few times myself:

- The legend was a little silly compared to most Pirate stories.
- The Steps of Knowledge had the "Musical instrument that does a jig" correct answer. :lol:
- Brent of the Purple Parrots liked to collect... bags.
- The temple games were silly like the legend. For example, Jessica's temple game had the girls collecting barnacles.
- The temple run had the temple guard that tried to act like he wasn't there even though he could easily exit the door.
- During the ending of the temple run, you can see Jarrid playing with the Lost Hornpipe after they win.

So yeah, I definitely consider Pirate Captain to be the quirkiest Season 3 episode. Another quirky one is Sir Gawain too, but that is mostly for the unusual edits. Overall, I have to say that Pirate Captain is my favorite Season 3 episode of all. I love both the temple win and the earlier rounds.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 12, 2014, 10:56:30 PM
Yeah, Lost Hornpipe is my favorite Season 3 episode too. Either that or Apanuugpak, one of those two. But Lost Hornpipe is a very quirky episode, for all the reasons you mentioned. Also, I remember their grand prize being a trip to an amusement park, which I don't recall was ever given out in any other episode. Plus, I liked some of the camera angles that were shown in the temple run too. You know Jarrid is moving fast when even the camera guys can't even keep up with him. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 12, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
Plus, I like how after Jarrid grabs the Lost Hornpipe, you can see a cameraman or some producer running on the top floor. I like both Pirate Captain and Apanuugpak, but Pirate Captain is an easy vote for me. The earlier rounds of Mussel-Shell Armor never really pulled me in like Pirate Captain. Don't get me wrong, they were great like the fast moat and the comical legend, but Pirate Captain was more memorable and entertaining pre-temple round. I also like Jarrid and Jessica's win slightly more than Mussel-Shell Armor.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 12, 2014, 11:03:33 PM
I totally agree with you there. Apanuugpak is a great episode, but the rest of the rounds aren't as exciting as Lost Hornpipe is. It doesn't really pull me in as much, like you said. ;) And both temple runs are spectacular too. I'm not even sure which temple run I like better between Apanuugpak and Lost Hornpipe, they're both pretty much tied for me. But as an episode as a whole, I like Lost Hornpipe better. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 12, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Speaking of wins, what are your most favorite wins for every team? Since we have been comparing some wins lately. ;)

For me:

 :jaguars2: - Jewel-Encrusted Egg (no other win even comes close)

 :barracudas2: - Annie Taylor (Map to the Lost Gold Mine is very close too)

 :monkeys2: - Lawrence of Arabia (Pirate Captain and Mussel-Shell Armor are close behind)

 :iguanas2: - Lucky Medallion (Levitating Dog Leash is runner-up)

 :parrots2: - Milk Bucket (Metal Beard and Billy the Kid are great too, but Milk Bucket wins this one)

 :snakes2:  - Galileo (Bandit Queen and Sultan Saladin are close behind)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 12, 2014, 11:18:05 PM
Basically all the runs you mentioned except for Orange Iguanas. I don't know why, but I just like Nostradamus better. It's much more exciting and I loved the teamwork and Jason's using of the leash to grab the Pit rope. Atocha is good too, but I like Nostradamus better. ;) :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 13, 2014, 09:38:05 PM
So you like Lawrence of Arabia over the other Green Monkeys wins too? Good choice. I love this win over the others because it feels special compared to the rest. Probably because it was the first episode Nickelodeon ever aired. That, and the Green Monkeys were a great team and the temple run was super exciting. David kicked ass in the temple and his exit literally kept me at the edge of my seat. And I love Kirk's enthusiasm and Fogg-Ups. Pirate Captain and Apanuugpak might've had the better team performances, but I prefer Lawrence of Arabia over the rest because it is special.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 13, 2014, 09:48:29 PM
Since I'm not feeling so lazy, these are the wins I like best from each team:

 :jaguars2: : Catherine the Great
 :barracudas2: : Lucky Pillow (with John Sutter as a close second)
 :monkeys2: : Apanuugpak, Lost Hornpipe, Lawrence of Arabia (It's literally a tie between those three, I can't decide)
 :iguanas2: : Nostradamus
 :parrots2: : Freydis (followed by Billy the Kid, then Metal Beard)
 :snakes2: : Galileo (followed by Bandit Queen, then Sultan Saladin

But really, it was such a hard choice for the Green Monkeys. Every win except Tall Turban deserves to be on this list honestly. :o They're that good. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 15, 2014, 09:52:41 PM
Am I the only one who liked the Bandit Queen temple run? I know Miriam stalled too much, but I thought it was an excellent temple run and I thought they deserved to win. And honestly, I don't think Miriam moving too slowly should detract to what a great run this was. Of course, Zac is the star of the show here. Even if he didn't have many objectives to handle, he outright FLEW through the temple. I don't know, I feel like this win is underrated. I don't know if this has been mentioned here in this topic before. But either way, I think this was an excellent run. What do you guys think? ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 15, 2014, 11:24:35 PM
I love Bandit Queen too.  :mrsilver: I just don't find it to be a top 5 win that it is made out to be. Mostly because how Miriam was starting to go into Karisa mode. But watching Zac in the temple was fun and he sure was a beast with his speed! I would've loved to see him handle the Belle Boyd or Ivan the Terrible episode because he might've pulled off a win with them. I know it seems like I diss this win a lot, but I also really enjoy it too. It is my favorite Silver Snakes episode after Galileo. ;) Although I have seen this run and  Zac get immense love from a lot of members, so I don't really consider it to be underrated.  ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 15, 2014, 11:39:27 PM
Yeah, Zac was a beast in the temple. He pretty much saved the whole run from being a complete disaster. Bandit Queen would have to be my second favorite Silver Snake run after Galileo. If not, they're both tied for favorite Silver Snake win for me. Plus, this was one of the first episodes I ever saw. So it does get extra points for being nostalgic for me. ;) :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 15, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
Bandit Queen is in the same boat as Sir Gawain. I sometimes call Tiffani overrated due to her convenient temple guard placement and slow speed. But at the same time, I love this run to death too. Same with Bandit Queen, where I call it overrated sometimes but still love it to death. Even with some of the negativity it gets, I can't really consider Sir Gawain underrated because I know a lot of people love it. And I have seen Sir Gawain many times just like you have seen Bandit Queen a lot too.  :lol:  :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
I think everyone has seen Sir Gawain over a million times. :lol: Whether it be on YouTube, and/or during the Nick Gas "20 episode cycle." But yeah, I also love Sir Gawain. My feelings of Tiffani are always changing, probably because I've seen the episode so many times, it's worn off on me a little bit. But I still love that episode, as well as Bandit Queen. I haven't even screencapped Bandit Queen yet, but I will probably get on that soon too. Of course, that's a totally different story. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 16, 2014, 12:08:53 AM
And here is another question. What win do you guys think has the "biggest target" on its back? This is the win that a lot of people love, and at the same time it gets picked on a lot at the too. I am not talking about runs like Shaka Zulu and Butch Cassdy where only casual fans call them the best wins. Those ones don't count because most people hate them.

I have to say that Annie Taylor is the one win that has the biggest target on its back. I have been reading a lot of old threads and I forgot how much people use to pick on this win in the past. If there is any run that gets over-analyzed, it is Missy's temple performance. It is like someone finds the little detail about Missy's performance and uses it against her. I have seen stuff about how easy her layout was, how she tried to take a direct path, how slow she moved in a few rooms, how people only like her run because of the emotional factor, how she didn't deserve to go to the temple because she only won her team game, etc. No run ever gets pick apart as much as Annie Taylor.  :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 16, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
And here is another question. What win do you guys think has the "biggest target" on its back? This is the win that a lot of people love, and at the same time it gets picked on a lot at the too. I am not talking about runs like Shaka Zulu and Butch Cassdy where only casual fans call them the best wins. Those ones don't count because most people hate them.

I have to say that Annie Taylor is the one win that has the biggest target on its back. I have been reading a lot of old threads and I forgot how much people use to pick on this win in the past. If there is any run that gets over-analyzed, it is Missy's temple performance. It is like someone finds the little detail about Missy's performance and uses it against her. I have seen stuff about how easy her layout was, how she tried to take a direct path, how slow she moved in a few rooms, how people only like her run because of the emotional factor, how she didn't deserve to go to the temple because she only won her team game, etc. No run ever gets pick apart as much as Annie Taylor.  :?

Before I even read your second paragraph, I was thinking Annie Taylor. It's my favorite episode and favorite temple run of all time and Missy is my favorite player of all time and I shall defend all three to the death.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 16, 2014, 12:28:21 AM
Yeah, no win is ever analyzed to the same extent as Missy's run. I don't mind the criticism for her "easy layout" or how she hesitated in a couple of places, but then you have people pointing out every little thing she did wrong. I remember outer space had something out for Missy because he use to criticize her every moment. Especially the direct path comment, which was a pretty poor attempt to belittle her. It didn't even affect the outcome of her run.  :| Now, if she made a direct path mistake like in the Electrified Key run before her, then I would call her out for it.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 12:55:37 AM
I totally agree about Lucky Pillow. Just because "she wasn't fast" and just because "she took a direct path," boom, it automatically means it was a bad, undeserved win. Yet Paula gets nothing but praise for lucking into her layout and just barely winning the temple game. And we're called hypocritical just for liking Lucky Pillow better? Lucky Pillow definitely has a target on its back.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 16, 2014, 01:23:00 AM
Let's not forget to mention that she was the first to ever retrieve an artifact from the center room of the temple, AND she did it with a single pendant solo victory!!

Absolutely Legendary.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
And while we're on the subject of Silver Horseshoe, (sort of), some people used to consider Matt, and NOT Paula, one of the best players in the shows history. Obviously, he never got to go into the temple, and I'm not gonna hold that against him either. But I remember some people even went as far as considering Matt their "most favorite player ever." Reasons being his impressive (if you can call it that) performance in the moat, sweeping the steps for his team, and ringing in with the tiebreaker question. Also, I've seen people say we'd like this temple run a lot better if Matt went in first instead. But truth be told, even if Matt had gone in first, I'd still be unimpressed with Silver Horseshoe's win. So my question is, do you consider Matt an amazing player, despite not entering the temple? Is his moat crossing performance really as superb as some people say? What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 16, 2014, 02:51:11 AM
I don't believe that a moat crossing and tiebreaker question are enough to warrant "GOAT" status. You have to be good in all four facets of the game. Sure, you can't hold it against someone for not getting to enter the temple, but you can't just overcompensate either.

Look at the Purple Parrots on Lion Tail before they entered the temple and then look at their run. That's why.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 03:14:49 AM
Exactly. We're looking at the whole package here, not just one performance in one round. I'm obviously not gonna hold Matt not entering the temple against him, but only dominating a few rounds doesn't exactly mean you're a great player. Plus, Matt was incredibly mediocre in the temple games.

And LOL at "GOAT." :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 16, 2014, 05:30:00 AM
Exactly. We're looking at the whole package here, not just one performance in one round. I'm obviously not gonna hold Matt not entering the temple against him, but only dominating a few rounds doesn't exactly mean you're a great player. Plus, Matt was incredibly mediocre in the temple games.

And LOL at "GOAT." :lol:

LOL, just in case there was any confusion, that means "Greatest Of All Time".
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 16, 2014, 03:52:20 PM
I definitely remember somebody calling Matt from "Butch Cassidy" one of the best players on the show. I can't remember who it was, but I am pretty sure it was THK. It was in one of the elimination threads in the temple games forum I believe. I only remember because how he actually called "Annie Taylor" a bad episode. :? As for Matt, what makes him so special over the rest? Oh yeah, he swept the SoK, big deal. Tim from "Gordian Knot" helped his team finish first in the moat, swept the SoK too, actually won his OWN temple game, and he was fast in the temple. Where is Tim's praise then? "Butch Cassidy" is seriously the most overrated episode of all time.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 03:53:54 PM
It was the steps TRJ, NOT temple games. They won only 1 pendant in the temple games. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 04:12:12 PM
And yeah, I agree. Just because someone crosses the moat in a unique way, and just because someone sweeps the steps, doesn't mean they're "amazing players." And yes, it was THK who also put in his siggie that Matt was "his favorite player ever." I mean, we all have our contestants that we like. But that doesn't make him amazing in any way, shape or form. But he's not the only contestants to sweep the steps either. The Galileo team did, Tony from Billy the Kid did, hell even Levi from Xerxes swept the steps for his team. And Matt's moat crossing performance wasn't THAT impressive. He was pretty fast, and it was a unique way of crossing the ropes. I believe he hung upside down and shimmied his way across. But I guess that's enough right there for others to consider Matt and Paula a better team than John and Missy because "they were a fast team." I swear, the more and more people praise Silver Horseshoe, the more and more I hate it. :roll:

Sorry for bringing Matt into this, back to Lucky Pillow. Give me that episode any day of the week.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 16, 2014, 06:37:23 PM
All those things considered, the only potential blemish on Missy's record was her solo temple game. But that game was a chance game. ANYBODY could have done good or bad at that. Other than that game, just try to find a flaw on that Blue Barracudas team. You can't. There's no reason anybody should be critical of that team or that episode. It's an absolute classic, and Missy's contagious enthusiasm should easily make it a favorite for anybody who loves LotHT.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 16, 2014, 10:36:05 PM
Yeah, I agree. Missy's temple game was pure luck, where randomly guessing which hole will spring a leak next is all you can do. It's not like the squirting game variation used in Golden Stallion or Sacred Ring, where you actually HAD to memorize the correct order of which hole squirted first. The latter variation of the game I liked better to be honest. But yeah, Missy's temple run and episode in general was completely flawless. I literally cannot think of one bad thing to say about it. Maybe the moat was a little lengthy? But there were a lot moats that were like that. Missy was a great player, and she deserved to win. And her emotional personality added on to the overall excitement.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 17, 2014, 01:11:20 AM
Annie Taylor is an amazing episode, and it will always be my #1 favorite episode. The episode did have its moments like the long moat and John's temple game was pretty pathetic, but everything else about it was amazing. ;)  :mrblue: It is definitely more entertaining than Butch Cassidy and Roland. I love the comeback in the team game by the Blue Barracudas, and then they turned around and won the tiebreaker. And Missy is the only contestant that ever stood out for being overly-emotional before and after the temple run. I never remember any temple player that even shed a tear. Missy was in tears even before the temple run. I am glad that she won too.  :mrblue:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 17, 2014, 01:17:40 AM
Couldn't agree more. :mrblue: Missy goes to show you that you don't have to move entirely fast to be considered a good player. Even some of the best players like Andrea, Tiffani, and Tarrah had their moments. If the temple run is exciting, and the players know what they're doing, then it's a great run in my book. But Lucky Pillow is an exceptionally great episode and it's my favorite episode as well. ;)

And what a coincidence that we're covering this episode and its SOK pair in the "Rate the Color Combinations" thread. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 17, 2014, 01:42:55 AM
And I usually compare every round of an episode to determine which episode is better. It is time consuming to do, but it makes it easier to analyze and find the better of the two episodes. Here is how I compared "Annie Taylor" and "Butch Cassidy"

MOAT:
Butch Cassidy had the criss-crossing ropes, which really wasn't that great and felt like a Season 1 moat. Annie Taylor had the shimmy upside down on a pole moat. This moat was more original than Butch Cassidy's and was actually challenging. I don't think too highly of either moat, but Annie Taylor takes this one for uniqueness.

LEGEND:
Annie Taylor takes this one, easily. The legend was very interesting about how Annie Taylor went over Niagara Falls inside of a barrel, and show she was brave for doing so. Butch Cassidy was just another Wild West story, which Legends has a lot of already. And there were better ones than this like Bandit Queen and Lost Lariat. And the Lucky Pillow is a much more interesting artifact than some silver painted horseshoe. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the Trojan Horseshoe painted silver. :roll:

STEPS OF KNOWLEDGE:
I am not a fan of Steps where the team sweeps it. So my votes goes to Annie Taylor.

TEMPLE GAMES:
In both episodes, the temple team made a comeback in the team game. However, I like Annie Taylor's temple games much better. In the team game, Missy and John were trailing, but they made a close comeback to force a tiebreaker. Meanwhile, I thought that Kirk was going to call a tie in the team game because it looked like Paula fell off the horse before time was off. I know she didn't fall off now, but it made me angry back in the day. And of course, Annie Taylor's tiebreaker round was much more memorable than Butch Cassidy's.

TEMPLE RUN:
Annie Taylor has everything you want to see in a win: Lively Kirk commentary, solid temple peformance, great enthusiasm from the players, and Missy's high emotions make this temple run really special like I mentioned earlier. Plus, the round two boob touch is an added bonus. Butch Cassidy had Paula enter and leave the temple. Annie Taylor takes that.  :mrblue:

In my opinion, every round of Annie Taylor is better than Butch Cassidy's episode. :mrblue:  Butch Cassidy was just average at best.  :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 17, 2014, 01:51:31 AM
Interesting analysis there, and I agree with all your points too. Lucky Pillow was MUCH more memorable than Silver Horseshoe in every aspect. Everyone seems to fawn over how smart Matt was by sweeping the steps. Yet John and Missy were also pretty smart on the Steps as well. And like I said on the previous page, plenty of players have done that very same thing. Even the temple game losers.

I'm curious to see how you'd compare Very Tall Turban and Leopard Skin Cloak using your same analysis. Since those two episodes also get compared. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 17, 2014, 04:00:04 PM
All great points and I agree 100%.

You could tell Missy was probably a huge fan of the show and was so thrilled to be there.

Obviously other players and teams have shown excitement, especially after a win. But not nearly as much raw, pure emotion as Missy and John. You could tell even Kirk wanted them to win.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 17, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Yeah, and even the audience was going nuts. Just listen to how loudly they cheer when Missy wins. :o John and Missy were easily the most enthusiastic, most excited players to ever win. Very few other winning teams can top that.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 17, 2014, 10:49:07 PM
And that, along with all the other things we listed, are the reasons why Lucky Pillow is the best episode ever!
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 17, 2014, 11:36:13 PM
Here is my comparison of Ahmed Baba and Annie Oakley. I don't remember much details of Ahmed Baba, so this is at the top of my head. :lol:

MOAT:
Ahmed Baba had the "Rope Swinging" moat and despite having an easy objective, it was kind of long. Annie Oakley had the Babylonian wheels moat where the players had crawl through the tubes to make it across. This was both a more unique and more challenging moat.

My vote goes to ANNIE OAKLEY.

LEGEND:
Annie Oakley's legend was easily better than Ahmed Baba's legend. I love Wild West stories, and Annie Oakley's legend was much more interesting. It talks about how Oakley was sharp with a gun, and how she shot a cigarette out of a Prince's mouth. I mean how is that not badass? All Ahmed Baba legend is about is how Ahmed Baba is captured and how he tells the caliph that he must be lonely standing behind a curtain. Something like that. :lol:

My vote goes to ANNIE OAKLEY.

ARTIFACT:
I want to do a separate section for this since I think it is a little bit important. I like the Very Tall Turban's name and artifact design. It was pretty cool, even if the Turban wasn't tall. The Leopard-Skin Cloak was kind of lame and had nothing to do with the legend. And it looked way too similar to the Imperial Purple Robe.

My vote goes to AHMED BABA.

STEPS OF KNOWLEDGE:
Both Steps were close, but I recall Annie Oakley's SoK was even closer. There was a three-way tie on the second to last step. And the questions asked in Annie Oakley were more interesting.

My vote goes to ANNIE OAKLEY.

TEMPLE GAMES:
Even though Chandra and Nick swept the temple games, I loved the temple game sequence in this episode. Each of the temple games were very relevant to the episode's legend. I liked the "horse spinning" game where Chandra didn't even fall off once and I especially liked the "Ace in the Hole" game where Nick and his opponent had to put balls into the ace with the use of a trapeze. And the temple game interviews were more memorable too in Annie Oakley. In the Ahmed Baba temple games, I was not too crazy about the competition either. I mean just watch how Jamie struggles in her temple game. I did like the rare minaret team game only used in this episode and Ivory Elephant, and the Green Monkeys had an amazing come back, but other than that these temple games didn't have much going for them.

My vote goes to ANNIE OAKLEY.

TEMPLE RUN:
I am going with the episode that ended with a loss here. Chandra and Nick were a great team in the temple despite the mistakes they made. As a frontrunner, Chandra made good time all the way to the King's Storeroom. She really should've avoided the Mine Shaft elevator, but her fate with the one room away guard wouldn't have changed. Nick did a good job of avoiding her mistake, but he had no time to do anything. Shane was just average in Ahmed Baba. He made the same mistake as Chandra did, but he got lucky that there wasn't a temple guard on the top floor of the temple. And Kirk was extremely annoying in this episode too. Shane, Shane, Shane, Shane... :evil: Overall, I love the Annie Oakley run more because the performance was better and there was more interesting things about it like Chandra completed the Secret Password and Nick putting the key to the King's Storeroom in front.

My vote goes to ANNIE OAKLEY.

Overall, I have to say that Annie Oakley is easily the better episode. Even our episode reviews show that Annie Oakley was the best of the two. This is just my opinion, but I think Annie Oakley had more going for it. ;) :mrpurple:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on May 17, 2014, 11:41:25 PM
I don't want to discourage discussion, but this thread was meant to specifically look at temple runs. Perhaps it would be useful to create a separate thread that discusses full-episode comparisons?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: AimYourBrent on May 17, 2014, 11:42:39 PM
Better to have one pendant with a smart but moderately paced team, OR two pendants with an athletic/fast yet dumb team?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 17, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
I agree with all of your points, especially tour one about the artifacts. Leopard Skin Cloak was just some ugly, oversized cloth where the producers probably said "Hey, we got this ugly thing here. Let's just make this into a random artifact." And like you said, it had nothing to do with Annie Oakley whatsoever. I did like Tall Turban's artifact though, and I would love to have that as a sovinier. I'm not gonna lie. :lol: And I definitely agree with your points about the temple run too. Shane didn't have to pass through 9 rooms, but he did anyways. Compare that Leopard Skin Cloak, where Chandra has a harder layout and makes MUCH better time than Shane did. But Shane still gets to keep going and win, but Chandra is taken out one room away. Such is the Purple Parrots luck. :roll: I definitely prefer Leopard Skin Cloak. ;) Not good when you can't remember many details about Tall Turban, which was a win. :lol:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on May 17, 2014, 11:43:54 PM
So much same time posting.... O_O

I don't want to discourage discussion, but this thread was meant to specifically look at temple runs. Perhaps it would be useful to create a separate thread that discusses full-episode comparisons?
You're probably right. Though we do have the "Analysis and Comparisons" thread where we can make these comparisons.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 17, 2014, 11:49:03 PM
Better to have one pendant with a smart but moderately paced team, OR two pendants with an athletic/fast yet dumb team?

I think it depends on the circumstance. The first "athletic/fast yet dumb team" that comes to mind is Matt and Ashlie from Dolley Madison. Both players were fast runners in the temple. However, Matt missed a solo chance by taking the direct path and Ashlie blew it big time in the Dark Forest. But the team still reached the artifact despite these mistakes. Even though Ashlie's mistake was the deadlier of the two. I don't recall many of these types of teams on the show though. Most of them were slow and dumb.  :o
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 24, 2014, 02:20:58 AM
Do you guys think it is unfair to call the players in the Belshazzar and Dead Man's Hand run "slow and clueless" players? I have been reading a lot of old posts about these runs and it seems like some old members feel that they deserved to lose. I am shocked that people even give these teams a hard time. If you watch these two runs, you should see how f**ked up their layouts were. Especially Dead Man's Hand, that layout was just broken. If you gave Jennifer and Damian this layout, they would've made the same progress as Sarah and Josh. I always never try to criticize the Belshazzar or Dead Man's Hand kids at all. They definitely get a free pass in my book.  ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on August 24, 2014, 02:25:31 AM
Yeah, they definitely get a free pass for me too. I don't remember any criticism that both the Belshazzar and Dead Man's Hand teams got. But they don't deserve criticism at all, period. Like you said, their respective layouts were completely broken, and victory was impossible. In Dead Man's Hand, Sarah did backtrack through the same rooms, but she couldn't help it. She just kept encountering Dead End after dead end. Same with Belshazzar. Katherine encountered a dead end on the bottom floor, and was therefore forced to backtrack. Besides all that mess, both teams seemed like competent player. They just encountered some bad luck. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 24, 2014, 02:29:31 AM
I agree, especially about the Belshazzar kids. Katherine actually moved pretty fast in the temple IIRC. Yet, she hits two dead ends with no direction to move forward in site. They totally deserve a second chance for both players, no questions asked. No team would've won in their layouts.

I also give Stone Marker and Leonardo Da Vinci a free pass to a certain extent too. That was another screwed up layout. The fact they brought it back again in Stone Marker was even more screwed up. :roll: Neither of these teams were bad at all, they just got stuck with an horrible set-up.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on August 24, 2014, 02:34:19 AM
Yeah, and Stone Marker and *gasp* Paintbrush had the exact same layout too. Why did the production crew insist on repeating a layout? Especially a layout that was so broken. And I hate to to be bias, but I think the Leonardo Da Vinci team was a little less to blame for their loss. I mean, in Stone Marker, Keeli failed to try all three gargoyle tongues. In Leonardo Da Vinci, Katie was screwed from the beginning.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 27, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
And while we're on the subject of Stone Marker and Paintbrush, I'm curious to see which episode is "better" if we compare the two of them. We did that with some episodes one page back, and I wonder how we could compare these two episodes here. Even though neither episode is that exciting, they do have a lot of similarities. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 29, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
I have to say Leonardo Da Vinci ( :oops: ) is better than Stone Marker ( 8) ).  I remember much more about Leonardo Da Vinci than I do Stone Marker. Before Keeli's interview, Stone Marker had to be the most forgettable episode ever! Seriously, there is nothing that sticks out about that episode. Most episodes have something going for them, but Stone Marker is just average to a T. On the other hand, I actually kind of like Da Vinci. I remember the really close SoK where there were no wrong answers. The temple games were also very interesting for the Orange-Blue pair and the "paint spilling" temple game. And you have to sympathize with Katie and Roberto more than Aqila and Chris for their layout. Although it is crazy how similar their two layouts are. :P All jokes aside, Leonardo Da Vinci is clearly the superior episode.  :mrorange:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 29, 2014, 09:39:37 PM
Keeli, not Aqila. ;)

But yeah, I agree. Leonardo Da Vinci (8)) was a better episode. It was more memorable, and it had a little more going for it, for all the reasons you stated. Stone Marker (:oops:) was just plain average, interview or not. And it is crazy how similar their layouts were. Both impossible layouts at that too. :shock:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on January 28, 2015, 12:43:10 PM
Having rewatched the Bent Shaving Pan of Jedidiah Smith, it seems as though Brian would have had to complete the Chamber of the Sacred Markers en route to the King's Storeroom. When Irish entered the Ancient Warriors, she tried the leftmost and rightmost armors before getting caught by a guard in the middle armor. Along with her screaming, a sound effect of a door went off. In comparing this sound effect with other episodes in which teams progressed to the right after completing the Ancient Warriors, it seems as though the sound effect matched those from the Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror and the Mussel Shell Armor of Apanuugpak (where the team went from the Ancient Warriors to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers), not that from the Enormous Feather of the Me Linh (where the team went from the Ancient Warriors to the King's Storeroom). For this reason, I believe that Brian would have been forced into the Chamber of the Sacred Markers instead of being allowed to directly access the King's Storeroom.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on January 28, 2015, 01:52:52 PM
I went back and watched the Bent Shaving Pan run to see if we can see what door actually opened. Unfortunately, we don't get a good enough angle to see what door opened or not. I always felt though that the King's Storeroom door did open after Irish tried the last armor. Maybe both doors opened like it did for Shem in Henry Morgan? I don't know if just the Chamber door would open, that seems kind of "out of character" for a central shaft artifact. But then again, it is Season 3 and they came up with layouts that went against the status quo. I will check Battle Flag ( :afro: ) and Mussel-Shell Armor later to compare the sound effects because I never really thought about that when it came to temple runs. Right now, I still believe the King's Storeroom door DID open like in Ivan the Terrible and Enormous Feather. But it wouldn't be too far of a reach to believe that the Chamber opened either.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on January 28, 2015, 01:59:14 PM
I doubt that both the Chamber and King's Storeroom opened, since there were only very few instances where multiple doors opened at once during Season 3. Besides multiple doors opening from the Pit of the Pendulum, the only other cases where this happened was in Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack (Chamber leading to the Ancient Warriors and Tomb of the Headless Kings) and Upside-Down Compass of Henry Hudson (Chamber leading to the King's Storeroom and Ancient Warriors). Season 3, in general, kept players on a more clearly defined path with fewer options for deviation... at least in comparison with Seasons 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on January 28, 2015, 02:07:24 PM
Poseidon is another one too. The Jester's Court and Chamber opened up for Kimberly from the Headless Kings. ;)

But yeah, it is hard to tell where the team was suppose to go. Sometimes at the end of the temple run, the camera shows a whole shot of the temple and you can see all the doors the teams unlocked. Unfortunately, the camera stops in the Pit for the Bent Shaving Pan run. Also, you don't really get a good shot when Brian is running through the temple either. I do have to admit that this temple guard layout was unfair though. One room away guards were uncommon in Season 3. This would've been the type of run where the team had to encounter all 3 guards to have a chance at winning. Unfortunately, Irish and Brian simply could not handle the temple with their slow speed.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on January 31, 2015, 01:09:48 AM
I have been watching some Legends episodes again lately, especially ones that I haven't seen in years. One that I rewatched recently was "Cosa Rara". Aside from the really ridiculous legend and being extremely boring, I totally forgot how disappointing this temple run was. This run was just as bad as "Cracked Crown" and "Charles Lindbergh". Justin made amazing time in the temple! He made it all the way to the King's Storeroom with a 1:45 left on the clock. And that included a trip up the central shaft. But Jessica screwed up big time in the temple. It took her over a minute to get where Justin left off, and she had trouble with the King's Storeroom and Shrine. She didn't even finish the Silver Monkey either. Basically, she only added one extra room of progress with 1:45 to herself. Why doesn't this run get criticized more? Is it because of how forgettable it is?  :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 02, 2015, 03:15:19 AM
Yeah, pretty much. People must've blocked the episode out of their memories due to how awful the episode is. I mean, there is nothing redeemable about this episode whatsoever. The moat was long and heavily edited (seriously, just look at how Red, Orange, and Purple are just dangling in the moat), the legend was ridiculous, the temple games were okay I guess, and the temple run sucked. And the sad thing is is that even if Jessica had gone first, the team would still be doomed for failure. This temple run would've been an artifact grab, if not a WIN if Justin hadn't been paired up with Jessica. Also, does anyone else think that Justin is really underrated and overlooked? I mean, we always talk about strong male players like Ty, Shem, and Joel, but never the temple running losers like Justin. Maybe it's because he was featured in such a lackluster episode? Maybe he's just not memorable enough compared to the temple runners who did win? But yeah, Cosa Rara is a very lackluster episode and it definitely deserves to be criticized more. :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 03, 2015, 03:12:30 PM
I definitely agree that Justin is overlooked and underrated. He made great time in the temple taking into consideration that he had to traverse the central shaft. He completed the Rock Quarry, Laser Light Room, Medusa's Lair, Stone Column, and part of the King's Storeroom before being taken out with 1:40 left. That is amazing time indeed. But Jessica really ruined it though and she only added one room of progress. Justin deserves to be recognized more, but Jessica also deserves to be criticized more too. We always criticize Kerry and Kim who ruined their runs. But Jessica was no better. This temple run was exactly like Pirate Captain's too, except Jessica didn't know what she was doing. :x And Kirk referring to her as Jessie was dumb because never once did she say in her episode that her name was Jessie. And that is not a short name for Jessica either. I thought he confused her with the Silk Sash one, but that episode came after Cosa Rara. But yeah, I definitely would b more than willing to praise Justin from Cosa Rara more. ;) :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 03, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
Yeah, I agree. Justin from Cosa Rara definitely needs to be praised more. I mean, the guy completed two bottom rooms, and the entire central shaft, and still had 1:45 left on the clock upon his removal. That's amazing. That really takes some skill to pull off. And Jessica definitely deserves to be criticized more, especially since she's not any better than Kerry or Kim from Missing Weather Maps. She just didn't know what she was doing, at all. And like I said above, even if she had gone first, the temple run still would've been a fail. I'm willing to bet she would've given Justin only 50 seconds on the clock if she had gone in first instead. :roll: But Justin needs to be recognized more, since he was amazing. I'd even go as far as saying he was better than some of the Season 2 winners on the show. ;) :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on February 03, 2015, 04:41:30 PM
I feel that Michael (Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean) falls under a similar case. He was a very strong contestant, entering his seventh room with 1:20 on the clock. That is very impressive for a Season 3 run, and even more so in that it predominantly featured completion of the upper floor. Additionally, he had one of the fastest, if not THE fastest completion of the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. He may not have sprinted, but he also never paused or hesitated at all in the temple.

The bad reputation this temple run has is because Kelli deviated from Michael's path and spent too long in the King's Storeroom and Room of the Secret Password. (Even so, she was not the only contestant to keep her mouthpiece in her mouth when reciting the passwords, so the fact that she gets criticized the most out of any contestant for that is beyond me.)

Nevertheless, Michael had a strong performance both in the temple and throughout his episode, and I feel his evaluation underestimates his efforts.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 03, 2015, 10:32:51 PM
I can't believe anyone would give Mike a hard time. He did a solid job in the temple and didn't do anything wrong. He moved swiftly through all the temple rooms and had the fastest Silver Monkey completion ever. Kelli was entirely to be blamed for this loss. She had a 1:20 and a clear path to the Secret Password, but she blew it big time by taking a wrong path (she was lucky her team had 2 Pendants) and was trying to complete objectives already done. And she moved so slow too. This team could've won if Kelli hauled her ass and completed the two bottom floor objectives, which were relatively easy. Just like the Paintbrush said about Jessica in the Cosa Rara run going into the temple first, the Orange Iguanas in Thornwood Gavel would've still lost even if Kelli went in first. She just had too many problems and had no idea what to do. Disappointing loss like Enormous Feather, Good-Luck Watch, and Bandit Queen with slow female runners.

The only way I think would've made this run better was if Mike went into the King's Storeroom and get removed in the Secret Password. Not only his route would be shorter, Kelli would also have no excuse to detour again. I don't think they would've won either way because she was way too stupid.  :afro:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on February 03, 2015, 11:52:21 PM
I can't believe anyone would give Mike a hard time. He did a solid job in the temple and didn't do anything wrong. He moved swiftly through all the temple rooms and had the fastest Silver Monkey completion ever. Kelli was entirely to be blamed for this loss. She had a 1:20 and a clear path to the Secret Password, but she blew it big time by taking a wrong path (she was lucky her team had 2 Pendants) and was trying to complete objectives already done. And she moved so slow too. This team could've won if Kelli hauled her ass and completed the two bottom floor objectives, which were relatively easy. Just like the Paintbrush said about Jessica in the Cosa Rara run going into the temple first, the Orange Iguanas in Thornwood Gavel would've still lost even if Kelli went in first. She just had too many problems and had no idea what to do. Disappointing loss like Enormous Feather, Good-Luck Watch, and Bandit Queen with slow female runners.

The only way I think would've made this run better was if Mike went into the King's Storeroom and get removed in the Secret Password. Not only his route would be shorter, Kelli would also have no excuse to detour again. I don't think they would've won either way because she was way too stupid.  :afro:

It's not that Michael has a bad rep; it's that his performance is downplayed because of the success of his episode's run as a whole. That is why I find some of the results for player rankings to be a bit skewed. I feel like there is a "tainted" image of a contestant because of the episode he or she is part of, even if we can't recall details about a contestant's performance, whether or not it is because we haven't seen the episode in a long time. Sometimes going back and rewatching an episode- as was the case for Justin in Cosa Rara, for example- can bring to light the misconceptions (either extolling or criticizing) we have created about the contestants.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 04, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
I think that when we get down to it, the temple winners are usually favored more over the temple losers. Even if their performances were slightly more flawed too than some of the losers. Mike's season was also stacked with a lot of talented boys and girls. There were probably about a dozen of solid guys from this season. I do agree though that many people overlook a contestant due to their success of their temple runs like Justin from Cosa Rara and Mike. But at the same time, I believe that certain contestants deserve to be placed in a rankings due to their success too. Which is why Mike flies under the radar sometimes. Don't get me wrong though, Mike was one of the best male players from S3. And in my mind, he was one of the best Orange Iguana males next to Ty and Jason from Levitating Dog Leash. It is unfortunate he came from a season that was stacked with talented guys. If I were to rank the S3 boys, he would definitely be in the top 10:

1. Gator ("Mussel-Shell Armor")
2. Zac ("Bandit Queen")
3. Travis ("Discarded Seal")
4. Nate ("Queen Boadicea")
5. Jarrid ("Pirate Captain") - I would rank him higher, but the Secret Password detour could've been deadly. The above guys were practically flawless in the temple.
6. Mike ("Thornwood Gavel")
7. Jay ("Empress Eugenie")
8. Kevin ("Ruby Earring")
9. TJ ("Metal Beard")
10. Matthew ("Belle Boyd"
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 16, 2015, 02:55:59 PM
I want to start a discussion on how you guys might feel if all of the failed escape runs were actually temple wins? For the most part, almost all of these failed escape runs could've been temple wins one way or another. But I want to know how you guys would feel about said runs if they were actually wins. Would you think highly of them or would they rank low on your scale like certain runs like "Shaka Zulu" and "Butch Cassidy"?

To start off, we will talk about the very first failed escape which was "Sir Edmund Hillary". What if Tara and Danny actually won in this temple run? Would you rank it on the higher end or lower end for the Season 1 wins?

To me, I think "Sir Edmund Hillary" would've been one of the best wins of Season 1 if Danny and Tara actually won. Both players were smart and quick in the temple. Neither player stalled at any point and Tara was actually pretty smart for entering the Cave of Sighs instead of running into the Royal Gongs. She was the only S1 player to do that. Plus, they would've won with a tough layout that included a detour with the slow Well bucket. This run would've definitely ranked high on my list if the Silver Snakes won.  ;)  :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 16, 2015, 05:12:24 PM
Yeah, Sir Edmund Hilary definitely would've been a top notch run if Danny and Tara had actually won. Same with Golden Jaguar, the very next failed escape after Sir Edmund Hilary. Imagine if that had been an actual solo win instead. Would you also regard it as a top run if Chris and Tracy had won instead?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 17, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
I think "Golden Jaguar" would've been a favorite for me if Chris actually scored a solo win. The only Season 1 solo win I really like is "Sultan Saladin". But if Chris won in "Golden Jaguar", it would definitely be ranked high with the other great Season 1 wins. Especially since Chris moved at a good pace in the temple and knew what he was doing. It might not outrank Sultan Saladin, but I would like it would much better than the beloved "Buddha" win. Definitely  a strong and likable win. ;) :mrblue:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 17, 2015, 04:01:45 PM
Yeah, Atahualpa would've been a very strong win if it had been a solo win instead. I also agree that Sultan Saladin was the only respectable solo win in Season 1. The rest were too easy and/or too average.

Also, I think Priceless Portrait would've been regarded as a top notch episode as well if that had been a win instead. Just switch the order of players, and it definitely would've been considered a top episode. I would even go as far as saying it would've been a Top 5 episode if that had been a win instead. Especially since it was a bottom central shaft run, and the rest of the episode was exciting too. Thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 17, 2015, 07:22:25 PM
I've always felt that if Polynesian Girl was a win, then it would be a top 5 episode.  :mrsilver: This was one of the most exciting runs of Season 2 even though it wasn't win. Jim and Kristen were a smart and fast team and they both had good chemistry. Kirk was also having fun in this episode too and I like how he kept referring to them as the "Mechanic" and the "Artist". Even though Kristen was slow, she still did a pretty good job in the temple and really hauled ass on the bottom floor. But if Jim went in second, they would've won for sure. It would personally be in my top 5 also if they won. I mean if runs like Apanuugpak can get praised despite having an average female runner, so should this run. And Jim and Kristen's win would be legendary like Missy's run. ;)

I don't know about others, but I really like this run a lot. Probably because it surprised me the first time I watched it. Most of the other bottom of the central shaft runs like Electrified Key and Lucky Pig were disappointing. But this one was exciting and came down to the wire. I even like this run better than Queen Boadicea. Between Polynesian Girl and Queen Boadicea, I think that Polynesian Girl would be the better win if both teams won. ;) :mrsilver:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on February 17, 2015, 11:10:37 PM
Had Kristen not dilly-dallied by entering the Room of the Mandarin Hand, doubling back to the Pit, and then heading up to the Observatory, this could have been a victorious run. It's a good thing she grabbed the half pendant en route to the Observatory because otherwise, this run would have resulted in a very disappointing triple capture. There are a lot of contestants who get a bad reputation for doubling back, completing unnecessary objectives, or otherwise wasting time. But with Kristen, for whatever reason, her performance does not warrant such a reaction. Kristen's speed on the bottom floor was much better than her performance on the top floor. If she had stayed in the Room of the Mandarin Hand and used those qualities from the bottom floor on the top floor, this could have been really solid victory of a run.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 17, 2015, 11:53:26 PM
Well, there is no guarantee that the Room of the Mandarin Hand would've opened to the King's Storeroom in her run either. It is possible that the Room of the Mandarin Hand actually detoured into the Observatory. Kind of like in "Electrified Key" where entering the center of the temple was pointless. That is why I don't really criticize Kristen for backtracking because she actually might've saved time AND grabbed the half-pendant that probably would've been needed anyways. And I assumed she backtracked too to get the half-pendant itself. At least she found it though, unlike Christina from "Nathan Hale" who completely passed it even after Kirk and James pointed it out. Kristen's run would've been better if she entered the Observatory right away and if she moved faster on the top floor. But it was still a good effort though and being the first player to grab a bottom of the central shaft artifact is huge. And this run is no where as flawed as Empress Eugenie, Electrified Key, and even Lucky Pig. Those should've been wins before Priceless Portrait. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on February 18, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
It was most often the case in the Season 1 and 2 temple for multiple doors to be open between the Pit and King's Storeroom, forming a "loop." Many times, a contestant that entered the Observatory could bypass the open Heart Room space and head directly into the King's Storeroom, even though the Heart Room space opened as well. Likewise, contestants that entered the Heart Room space could bypass the Observatory and head directly into the King's Storeroom, even though the Observatory unlocked as well. These doors could be seen unlocking either once the Heart Room space/Observatory objective was completed, or after the King's Storeroom was completed. This "loop"is perfectly evident in runs like Electrified Key of Benjamin Franklin. Another similar example is Silk Sash of Mulan, where Jessie went from the Pit to the Heart Room space, then up into the Observatory; when she was removed, her partner was able to access the Observatory directly. Similarly, in the Golden Stallion of Ali Baba, Kendra was able to form a loop between the central shaft and the Pit. In these two latter examples, the King's Storeroom did not open from either of these rooms, but the overall idea holds true.

Because both the Heart Room space and Observatory were unlocked via the Pit, it would not be surprising if this trend continued for the Priceless Portrait run.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 18, 2015, 04:01:11 PM
I don't know about others, but I really like this run a lot. Probably because it surprised me the first time I watched it. Most of the other bottom of the central shaft runs like Electrified Key and Lucky Pig were disappointing. But this one was exciting and came down to the wire. I even like this run better than Queen Boadicea. Between Polynesian Girl and Queen Boadicea, I think that Polynesian Girl would be the better win if both teams won. ;) :mrsilver:
Yeah, I like this run too. It's easily one of my favorite losses ever, and it's by far one of the most exciting Season 2 episodes ever. You're also right about most bottom central shaft runs being disappointing. Where the players hesitate too much and lose because they made very preventable mistakes. But in this run, there really weren't too many mistakes made. It was just Kristen who moved a little too slowly at the beginning of her run. And even then, she did some things right too, like pick up the half pendant, like mentioned before. Plus, she did pick up the pace once she reached the bottom floor too. This run is both exciting, and it was less flawed than the likes of Good Luck Watch and Electrified Key. I also agree that this run is much more exciting than Royal Torque, and I also prefer Pricless Portrait over that run. And the latter run would've been a better run if Jim and Kristen had won instead. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 18, 2015, 10:18:00 PM
Empress Eugenie was also very exciting in my book too. Not as exciting as Polynesian Girl, but I thought it was very fun to watch. Jay yelling at Janeen was probably the most hilarious thing out of all the shouters on the show. And then Janeen gets her butt touched by the temple guard too. :lol: Also, Jay's amazing speed makes this temple run very exciting and keeps you at the edge of your seat.

Electrified Key is an okay temple run, but definitely disappointing. It's one of those runs that make you feel underwhelmed when the team loses. Out of all the bottom of the central shaft runs, this one should've been the winning one. Even more so than Good-Luck Watch. But I don't really hate it though like some people do. Peter and Michelle were pretty quick in the temple, but they had some bad planning when choosing their path.

Queen Boadicea was a great run too. I actually would say that this would be the Red Jaguars best run if they actually won. I mean Lissy and Nate were strong in the temple and lost with a tough layout. But for some reason, this temple run is not as exciting as Eugenie or Polynesian Girl. And not very memorable either.

Red Sash is another good one, but it was filled with many mistakes. I have seen this run a lot too, so it sort of has wore off on me. But I have to say they are the best losing Blue Barracudas team. Either them or Golden Jaguar.

Golden Ship is not even worth watching because literally half of the run is cut off due to triple capture. Not that I find it to be Joe and Gabby's fault. Its just that there is no reason to watch it. And Lucky Pig and Frederick Douglass f**king suck.  :evil:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 19, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
Yeah, Royal Torque is just not exciting at all. It was a great effort by Nate, but it's extremely uneventful as a temple run. It would've been better if it were a win though. Other than that, I just don't like this temple run.

I agree about Red Sash too. Brandy and Quentin just made way too many mistakes, and it's not that exciting. I wouldn't really call them "the best losing team" though. I found them to be average quite honestly. Golden Jaguar was better.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 19, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
I remember they showed Red Sash a lot on Nick GaS. Not like the 20 episode cycle, but it showed up there a lot. And it's not really exciting either like you mentioned or memorable. I have actually tried to force myself to like it, but it just never grabbed me like some of the other runs. But it is a big improvement over Electrified Key. And Brandy and Quentin did a really good job with a tough layout, but they came up short. Queen Boadicea though was pretty exciting in my book.  ;)

What would you guys think of Anne Bonny if it was a win? In this scenario, let's assume Ron used the Troubled Bridge to exit. Not only would this end Season 1 with a win, but it would've made a 4/4 day. If Anne Bonny was a win, I don't think I would think highly of it. It would be another Snake Bracelet or Genghis Khan type of win where there is nothing that sticks out about it. I mean the layout was easy and Ron was a moron in the temple and moved slow. :oops: Actually, I think it would be on the same level as Shaka Zulu and Butch Cassidy because of the fact that Ron cheated in the moat and then winning in the temple. That would not be right. Although none of the hate would be geared towards Fred. I thought she was fun to watch and she was the star of this episode. Ron ruined the whole episode for me. :roll:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 19, 2015, 09:57:12 PM
Yeah, I never liked Red Sash either. It just wasn't exciting or memorable to me. I mean, Brandy and Quentin did a good job with their temple run, but it's just plain uneventful to me. It's much better than some bottom central shaft runs though. ;)

Agreed about Anne Bonny too. I also would not think highly of the temple run even if it had been a win. It would be just like Snake Bracelet and Genghid Khan where it's just regarded as an average win. And like you said, it definitely would've been a bottom tier win like Shaka Zulu and Butch Cassidy because of Ron's cheating. Maybe if Katherine/Fred had gone in second, I'd probably like the win. But not if Ron still went in second and exited the temple the right way. :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 20, 2015, 12:10:30 PM
Yeah, I don't think I would've liked this win especially knowing that Ron cheated in the moat. If anything, his temple exit was pretty much karma for getting away with cheating. Plus, he was so slow and clueless in the temple anyways. If Jason from Smashed Printing Plate gets maligned for cheating and being dumb, so should Ron. :oops:

Another run I wouldn't like even if it was a win would be Icarus. Only because Jason was another moron that had a lot of time and still couldn't win. :roll: I can't believe that people feel like he should've gotten the grand prize. Olivia-Emma had way less time than Jason and she still pulled off her win with a second to space. And people criticize her for having an easy path. But Jason's path in the temple was also easy. Which is why I can't stand this run. :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 20, 2015, 03:49:32 PM
Yeah, Icarus is a very frustrating, annoying run. Jason was slow and clueless the entire time, and could've very easily have won that layout. I can't believe people think he should've gotten the second prize. He may have came the closest to winning without actually doing so, but that doesn't mean he deserves any second prize. And like you said, even if he did win, it still wouldn't have been exciting. And I wouldn't have liked it as a win. The temple run reminds me so much of Poseidon where Kimberly has such an easy layout, but blows it. Speaking of the latter, that's another run I still wouldn't like even if it were a win. :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 21, 2015, 12:47:44 AM
Another thing I don't understand about Poseidon is how people thought that Kimberly did a good job before grabbing the Trident. She did an OKAY job, but not some outstanding performance. She sort of walked all the way to the Shrine and slowly completed the rooms with objectives. She was also very lucky to not encounter any guards when her layout was exactly like Metal Beard and Bandit Queen. Hell, Randy as a second runner grabbed the Metal Beard with almost the same time as Kimberly. You can give almost any average player Kimberly's layout and they would've won handily. And dropping the Trident and running away from it was unforgivable. Even Season 1 contestants like Ron and Chris from Lost Lariat knew that you needed to bring the artifact out. She was the only dumbass to do that in the temple. She deserves to be ranked as a lost cause like the other Kims. :afro:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 21, 2015, 02:05:53 AM
Yeah, Kimberly was just not impressive in any part of the temple, at all. She did not "do very well before reaching the trident," she was not "an amazing player before dropping the trident." She was slow, hesitant, and waaaaaay too lucky. Any player could've won with that layout, only they wouldn't have been stupid enough to drop the trident. Kimberly was completely average the whole way through, and dropping the trident just sealed it. She had a whole win handed to her on a silver platter, and she blew it, big time. And even if it had been a win, I still would not be impressed with it. She's just as bad as the other Kims, like you said. And those Kims were a special kind of bad, which REALLY says a lot. :afro:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Silver Monkey on February 21, 2015, 10:31:59 PM
Any player could've won with that layout

Jon and Tia beg to differ.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on February 21, 2015, 11:07:21 PM
Looking past the obvious. Any average team would've won with Poseidon's layout. Everyone knows obvious bad players like John and Tia wouldn't have won with that layout. I'm talking about average, nothing special teams that could've won with that layout. Not these lost cause players who wouldn't qualify for Season 3 in the first place.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on February 22, 2015, 12:50:37 AM
Any player could've won with that layout

Jon and Tia beg to differ.

They don't count though. :oops:  Even if they had the Golden Ship layout and the Throne Room opened for them, they still wouldn't won.  :afro:

But I agree with the Paintbrush. Almost any Season 3 team would've won Broken Trident's layout. After all, most of the layout had the team travel through the bottom floor of the temple. Unless a team REALLY had trouble with bottom floor like Xerxes, then they should've won or at least grabbed the Trident. Even Bifocal Monocle's team might've reached the artifact because there was no wall climbing. But then again, the Orange Iguanas would've f**ked that layout. But it was still a very easy layout.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 01, 2015, 03:35:42 PM
Here's a thought about the Enormous Feather of the Me Linh run:

We know that this team successfully reached the artifact from the King's Storeroom, although Karisa did not progress through the temple very quickly. What is interesting is that out of the three King's Storeroom runs from this season, they came the closest to winning, even though they are often regarded as the "worst" of the three teams. The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible team had to complete one extra room objective en route to the King's Storeroom, and the Bent Shaving Pan of Jedidiah Smith team had a more difficult temple guard layout, since Irish was removed one room from the artifact, while Karisa only had to traverse 5 cleared room to reach where her partner left off.

What is interesting is that the Enormous Feather of the Me Linh run could have been a victorious run if Karisa had tried the leftmost armor on the first try. She entered the room with 32 seconds left on the clock. By the time she tried the other two armors and activated the King's Storeroom, there was only 17 seconds left on the clock, meaning she used 15 extra seconds. Given that she made it to the middle of the Pit of the Pendulum and was attempting to exit the temple via the Crypt, had she put those 15 seconds into exiting the temple, she would have won, even with her slow pace and getting lost in the Quicksand Bog.

Had this scenario been the case, what would your thoughts on the run be? Would you enjoy it for being a winning episode, or would the lack of speed counteract the team's success?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 02, 2015, 12:47:09 AM
Heh, I literally just got done making a post dedicated to the Enormous Feather run. :P To answer your question, I would not think highly of this run at all if Karisa and David won in this episode. First, I would be shocked if Karisa actually pulled the win off. Even after the King's Storeroom door opened, she moved so slow and hesitated too while running up the stair case. With the extra time, I am sure she would've crossed the gate with 2-5 seconds left. But she was taking her sweet old time.

If the Orange Iguanas did win, I think that this would be my least favorite win of Season 3. I mean a contestant that moves as slow and hesitant in the temple run like Karisa has no business winning in the first place. I would watch Roland 100 times straight before watching Enormous Feather. if runs like Silk Ladder and Snake Bracelet get maligned for their slow second runners, so should this run. I am actually glad that the Enormous Feather team didn't win because of Karisa's pathetic performance. :oops:

Also, the Ivan the Terrible layout was way tougher than Enormous Feather's layout. It wasn't just a difference between one single room. The temple guard layout was also way more difficult than the Enormous Feather run. Travis and Elisa had to change floors two times in their run and they were denied a shortcut from the Dark Forest. Plus, the temple guard in the Ancient Warriors in that run was not in the suit with the correct armor and it cost Elisa some time. Not to mention, the first suit opened the King's Storeroom door for Karisa while it was the last one for Elisa. The Ivan the Terrible team was on a whole different level than the Enormous Feather team. Artifact grabbing or not, the Enormous Feather run was easily the weakest link of the two runs. Although Jedediah Smith is no prize either. :oops:
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 02, 2015, 04:53:04 PM
Yeah, I also wouldn't think highly of Enormous Feather either even if it has been a win. It would be regarded on the same level as Silk Ladder. A team that only wins because the layout is easy, and the players are slowpokes. I would still dislike this temple run even if it were a win. I also agree that Discarded Seal was A LOT harder than Enormous Feather. Different temple guard placement, longer path, and limited access to shortcuts. Travis and Elisa were completely screwed over, especially since they were both very fast players. Karisa had an easy win completely given to her, and she blew it, big time.
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 03, 2015, 12:07:30 AM
The Discarded Seal team would've torched the Enormous Feather layout. :P Travis and Elisa were flawless in their episode, but they still lost. And they had to enter 10 episodes enroute to their artifacts while the Enormous Feather team had 6 or 7 (not sure if the Shrine shortcut opened up in the Feather run). Hell, I think the Bent Shaving Pan team would've grabbed the Enormous Feather too. Because Irish and Brian both moved faster than Karisa did. :shock:

I remember arguing with someone on Youtube about this actually. They felt that Enormous Feather was the best run of the 3 because the Orange Iguanas reached their artifacts. Sorry, but a better outcome does not make it a better run. Discarded Seal is miles better than Enormous Feather and Bent Shaving Pan. They are not even in the same tiers. It's just like I will always take Cobra Staff over Shaka Zulu everyday despite the fact the Purple Parrots were not as successful as the Red Jaguars. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 03, 2015, 05:07:36 PM
Wait a second, somebody actually defended the Enormous Feather episode? All because they reached their artifact and NOT Discarded Seal? :shock: Man, people have no common sense whatsoever. Just because a player reaches an artifact, doesn't make them great players. An artifact grab is completely irrelevent to whether or not a player is good. Discarded Seal would've mopped the floor with a layout like Enormous Feather. Hell it probably would've been another Lost Hornpipe esque run if Travis and Elisa had won that layout!

And yeah, I also prefer King Tut over Shaka Zulu. It's much more exciting, and it comes down to the wire. I often think King Tut gets way too much hate both here and other sites. People like to put Eusinia on the same level as Sabrina or Lisa. So what if she was a little hesitant? So what if she was easily confused? At least she knew somewhat what she was doing. Which is more than you can say for literally half the Season 1 girls. I have a feeling people just hate this run just because it's the Purple Parrots, and they're the loser team. So they have this bias that the Purple Parrots always have the worst runs. I can't believe it gets hate in any way. What do you think? Is King Tut overhated and needs more praise?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 03, 2015, 11:15:48 PM
Here's the quote from the Enormous Feather video on Youtube:

Quote

People may give her crap about her poor performance in the temple. Although I agree that she did needed to move, I like to point out that she manage to get the artifact at the top of the shaft. She is the only person to do so. The Other two runs was featured an artifact in the kings storeroom ended in failure due to temple guard placement

I don't know, this comment sounds like we should give Karisa special treatment just because her team reached the artifact and the other teams in that room didn't (Discarded Seal and Bent Shaving Pan). But the only reason she had enough time to grab it in the first place was because David left her a lot of time to work with in the temple. If she had the Bent Shaving Pan layout and went in first, I bet that she uses all 3 minutes just to get to the Room of the Ancient Warriors. :roll: And the temple guards were not the only reason why the Discarded Seal team lost. They also had a very lengthy layout with no shortcuts. And the temple guard robbed Elisa more time than Karisa choosing the wrong armor. :roll:

And Cobra Staff is way more exciting than Shaka Zulu. People seem to rank this as another Alhambra or Lucky Pig run where the female runner was really stupid. But Eusinia wasn't even close to the likes of Sabrina, Lisa, or Kristen. She did get confused in a few rooms, but she was also very fast in the temple. Despite detouring into the Throne Room and Wheel Room, she recovered quickly from it and knew that she had to move forward. She was taken out with 1:42 on the clock despite all her moments of confusion. Lisa and Sabrina had much more time in the temple and they didn't even make any progress. :roll: Also, David moved a little slow also even if he was a little smarter than Eusinia. Plus, the layout was pretty long compared to other Ancient Kings runs. Cobra Staff is one of my favorite Season 1 episodes and it is very memorable to me. I also think that this one of the better failed escape runs too. Sir Edmund Hillary was slightly better, and Cobra Staff and Golden Jaguar are close preference wise. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 04, 2015, 03:47:10 PM
It's stupid of people to think that just because one player reaches the artifact, it means they were automatically better players. That's irrelevent to me. You're right too, if Karisa had Bent Shaving Pan's layout, and went in first, she'd waste the entire time just making it to the Room of the Ancient Warriors. It would put Brian and Irish to shame in comparison. I hope you cussed him out good for that. :roll:

And Cobra Staff is MUCH more exciting than.... Shaka Zulu. Despite Eusinia being easily confused, their path was longer and harder anyways. So victory was already slim enough as it was. And like you said, Eusinia left plenty of time for David to make up for lost time, which he did. Albeit much slower than Eusinia. Plus, at least they reached the artifact at the last second. Cobra Staff is one of my favorite Season 1 episodes ever and it was very exciting the whole way through. I much prefer it over utterly boring episodes like Silver Saddle Horn, Shaka Zulu, and Joan of Arc. In fact, I think I may actually like this failed escape better than Sir Edmund Hilary and Golden Jaguar. It's very exciting and memorable, and a great performance. People just don't like it just because it's a Purple Parrot temple run. It's very underrated and doesn't get nearly enough credit as it deserves. :?
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 04, 2015, 10:40:15 PM
Cobra Staff was a great episode and temple run! I remember this one for the original Nick days, and I even believe I have it on tape somewhere still. Every round was fun and creative. Great legend, one of the best temple game sequences in Season 1, and the temple run was pretty exciting. It's no where near the mediocre and boring levels like Silver Saddle Horn or Zenobia. Those teams didn't even come close in the temple. And like TAW always points out, I like how Eusinia and David's strengths and weaknesses balanced each other out. I mean that is how teamwork should be. Unless these casual fans want another temple run like Ron or Chris who were absolute trash. :roll: Even when I reviewed Cobra Staff along time ago, it got a good score.  :mrpurple: I say it is even a top 50 episode! Maybe after I am done with the team rankings, I will do an episode countdown sort of like GM1. But it will be different and incorporate the results from our episode reviews. ;)
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 05, 2015, 03:37:58 PM
Wait a minute, I wanted to start a countdown of episodes. I wanted my projects to be recognized positively and well received for once. I thought I was going to do that. Sorry to take the spotlight away from you, but I wanted to do this. =/
Title: Re: Some Thoughts about Temple Runs
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 05, 2015, 04:55:49 PM
So you were going to make a rankings after all? That's what I thought, but I didn't remember if you expressed interest or not. Don't worry, I will definitely let you make one whenever you feel like to. ;) I mean you always give me feedback on mine, so it is my turn to return the favor. I would never want to steal your idea or anything. I will be looking forward to it that's for sure.  :mrred: