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The Temple => The Heart Room => Topic started by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 07, 2013, 10:52:32 PM

Title: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 07, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
There were a number of temple games (and other rounds) where the judging, ruling, or scoring was a bit iffy or off. I'd like to use this thread to discuss some of those instances, and how the poor judging ultimately affected the rest of the episode.

One of the rulings I'd like to focus on is the team temple game from Melted Head of Madame Tussaud. That was the game where the teams had to run out and grab 4 busts while avoiding the swinging obstacles. You may also recall it as the game where Screaming Jennifer got obliterated by a giant swinging ball. As far as I can tell, this particular run has never been "called out" for improper judging, but I have always thought that the Purple Parrots got all four busts in their basket before the Orange Iguanas. They scored at 0:54, 0:47, and 0:44. At the 0:44 score, Kirk says, "Purple Parrots only have one left!" but then says that they got two and would have to bring one back. Then the Purple Parrot boy scored their third at 0:23 and fourth at 0:06, but Kirk said that the score after their third score was 3-2 Orange. In the end, the Orange Iguanas won the full pendant of life, making the final score 1.5-0.5 pendants and allowing the Orange Iguanas to go to the temple. If the pendants were awarded "correctly" (as I see it), then the Purple Parrots would have gone to the temple.

Do you think the ruling for that temple game was correct?
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 07, 2013, 10:57:26 PM
I am not sure about the Madame Tussaud one. I have to watch that one again and get back to you on it.

I think an obvious one that I thought was unfair was Christina's temple game in "The Secret Battle Plan of Nathan Hale". In this temple game, Christina and the Green Monkeys girl had to collect pieces of a word to spell out "Attack Philadelphia" by climbing up a spider net and finding them in the cubby holes. They then had to place them onto a board and spell out the phrase above. Well, when the temple game was done, both Christina and the Green Monkeys girl had the same part of the word spelled out. However, Christina's "IL" was upside-down and Kirk took it off. But it was in the correct position for spelling though. I think this temple game should've ended in a tie at least and that would've given the Silver Snakes two pendants to the temple games.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 07, 2013, 11:01:23 PM
Another sketchy call too was in the very first temple game in "Map to the Lost Gold Mine". It was the temple game where the two players had to crawl through the Dragon Tunnel and put golden nuggets into their team bucket. When the temple game was over though, the Blue Barracudas only had 4 nuggets while the Silver Snakes had 5 nuggets. Yet, Kirk still called the game a tie because he said the Silver Snakes had 4. So technically, Jennifer and Damian should've gone to the temple with 1.5 pendants.

EDIT: Here is a picture for proof:




Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 08, 2013, 01:08:37 AM
It was the Green Monkeys in Nathan Hale TRJ, NOT the Red Jaguars. And she went against a guy, not a girl. But yeah, it was a sketchy call, same with the other ones above.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Silver Monkey on September 08, 2013, 01:16:26 AM
The "Attack Philadelphia" game was definitely one of the more glaring temple game rulings the show had.  I just went back to listen to Olmec's explanation for that game, and there was nothing mentioned about the pieces needing to be oriented the right way to count. I definitely think that the Silver Snakes got screwed out of the full two pendants because of that.

Also, the Codebook of Mata Hari. :roll:
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 08, 2013, 01:34:39 AM
Also in Melted Head, didn't Jennifer throw her last head in there violently, causing it to bounce right out? If that wasn't supposed to count, shouldn't the temple game have been 3-3 tie, forcing a tiebreaker?
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 08, 2013, 01:55:19 AM
I have to say the call on Paula at the end of the team game in Butch Cassidy was very close too. In the team game, the Purple Parrots and Orange Iguanas had to ride the spinning horse. One of the Purple Parrot players already fell off the horse before the temple game was over. But during the last second of the temple game, Paula also falls off the horse too. But I think she beat the timer though before falling off. I think the spotters got the right call. But still, it was a very close call and if she had been called out for that, then the Purple Parrots would've tied the team game but gone to the temple with 2 pendants. But then we wouldn't have the best solo win ever.  :mrorange:

And Mata Hari though is by far the worst when it came to bad temple games officiating. First off, the team game should've been a tie since both teams only had one secret document a piece. I am not sure on what basis Kirk thought the Silver Snakes were further along. And Rinette was also not further along in her temple game either. That should've been a tie too. But both teams were pretty pathetic anyways, so I guess the Silver Snakes winning wasn't so bad.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 08, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Also in Melted Head, didn't Jennifer throw her last head in there violently, causing it to bounce right out? If that wasn't supposed to count, shouldn't the temple game have been 3-3 tie, forcing a tiebreaker?

Yes, Jennifer's last head bounced out of the basket, so the final count (if we are going off of Kirk's count) would have been 3-3. But I'm pretty sure that the Purple Parrots put their fourth head (which Kirk counted as their third) in the basket before Jennifer bounced her fourth one out, so the final score should have been 4-3 Parrots, anyways.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on September 08, 2013, 11:36:52 AM
I watched the Silver Horseshoe third game and I used an up close view on Paula and what I saw in the closing seconds that Paula was letting go of the horse but she was not touching the ground. So the call was right.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 08, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Also in Melted Head, didn't Jennifer throw her last head in there violently, causing it to bounce right out? If that wasn't supposed to count, shouldn't the temple game have been 3-3 tie, forcing a tiebreaker?

Yes, Jennifer's last head bounced out of the basket, so the final count (if we are going off of Kirk's count) would have been 3-3. But I'm pretty sure that the Purple Parrots put their fourth head (which Kirk counted as their third) in the basket before Jennifer bounced her fourth one out, so the final score should have been 4-3 Parrots, anyways.
So I guess Jennifer's bounced out head still counted? If so, then the score should've been 4-4, if the Purple Parrots' fourth head was really never counted.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 09, 2013, 03:33:58 PM
I don't think it was possible for there to be a 4-4 tie in the team game in Madame Tussaud because the team that got all 4 heads into their basket would've automatically won. If the Purple Parrots truly got 4 in their team bin first, they would've definitely won. And watching the temple game again, both teams had no heads left after Jennifer put her final head into the bin. But at some point during the temple game too, Brooke fumbled one of her heads off the stage before reaching the bin. Perhaps that is the reason why the Purple Parrots had only 3 in the end? Because they definitely didn't have any heads left once Jennifer got her final one...

I always thought that the temple games where it required Kirk's judgment were pretty bad too. Like in Silver Saddle Horn, Kirk said that Damien was further along than Lee in the belly sliding game. But it honestly looked like both him and Lee were pretty even. Maybe Damien was like a centimeter ahead, but still it was a very close call. :o
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 09, 2013, 04:41:33 PM
I don't think it was possible for there to be a 4-4 tie in the team game in Madame Tussaud because the team that got all 4 heads into their basket would've automatically won. If the Purple Parrots truly got 4 in their team bin first, they would've definitely won. And watching the temple game again, both teams had no heads left after Jennifer put her final head into the bin. But at some point during the temple game too, Brooke fumbled one of her heads off the stage before reaching the bin. Perhaps that is the reason why the Purple Parrots had only 3 in the end? Because they definitely didn't have any heads left once Jennifer got her final one...

It would have been impossible for the score to be 4-4, since the first team to reach 4 would have won. Brooke did fumble one of the busts, but I'm pretty sure the Purple Parrots scored four (actually five) before the Orange Iguanas got their last bust. To quote my original post:

They scored at 0:54, 0:47, and 0:44. At the 0:44 score, Kirk says, "Purple Parrots only have one left!" but then says that they got two and would have to bring one back. Then the Purple Parrot boy scored their third at 0:23 and fourth at 0:06. (None of these times represent Brooke's fumbling of the bust.) The Orange Iguanas got their fourth bust with 0:03 seconds to go.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 09, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
Here's the team temple game from Melted Head:

Legends of the Hidden Temple: Melted Head of Madame Tussaud (S3E32) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CClCzlcsGkI#)

Go to 13:49 where it starts. With :51 left, it looked like maybe Brook got hit and that's why the second one didn't count. I don't see them scoring with :47 left though. They got the first one in like three seconds, another one with :44 left, and one with :23 left. I'm not too sure, but I think the Orange Iguanas won fair and square. It's hard to say though, and I watched it twice.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 10, 2013, 12:03:57 AM
Here's the team temple game from Melted Head:

Legends of the Hidden Temple: Melted Head of Madame Tussaud (S3E32) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CClCzlcsGkI#)

Go to 13:49 where it starts. With :51 left, it looked like maybe Brook got hit and that's why the second one didn't count. I don't see them scoring with :47 left though. They got the first one in like three seconds, another one with :44 left, and one with :23 left. I'm not too sure, but I think the Orange Iguanas won fair and square. It's hard to say though, and I watched it twice.

We agree that the Purple Parrots scored at 0:57, 0:44, and 0:23, yet Kirk said that it was 3-2 Orange in the last 10 seconds of the game. I'm almost positive that the final bust (0:06) also counted, which by our count would have been their fourth. That would have been enough to give them the full pendant and send them to the temple.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 10, 2013, 02:07:53 AM
Did anyone ever figure out if Jason cheated in this temple game in Smashed Printing Plate? In his temple game, he and his opponent had to toss newspapers into a bin while riding one of the "bucking horses". Well, while the Purple Parrot boy fell off the horse, some people say that Jason shouldn't have been allowed to throw the newspapers into the bin until the PP boy was back on the horse. Yet, he continued to do so anyways. Is there any official ruling whether Jason was allowed to do this or not? Because I don't recall other episodes that use this temple game like Jason's game.

I know Poseidon and Empress Eugenie had the bucking horse game, but those ones had the players holding onto it without falling off. If the player did fall off in that temple game though, the horse was stopped until the fallen player got back on.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 10, 2013, 02:22:13 AM
Plus, Jason also cheated in the third temple game by trying to skip over some sinking steps. I know Dana won it for the team at the end, but Jason still cheated in that game, and never got sent back for it.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 10, 2013, 02:28:30 AM
Well, Jason chose the wrong sinking step anyways so he had to start over. But yeah, if Jason did jump to the right step, then the producers should've sent him back for sure. The whole objective of the temple game was to memorize a path by following each step. You shouldn't be allowed to skip a step at all. If the producers allowed that and Jason actually won, then this incident would probably be worst than the Anne Bonny moat.  :roll:
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 21, 2013, 08:04:04 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the first two games from Dead Man's Hand was miscounted. The first game was a tie anyways, but the second game was declared a tie, yet the Green Monkey girl missed one of her bulls eyes. So, Sara actually should've won the game, and the final pendant score should've been 2-0.5, not 2-1. Not that it would've made a difference anyways, but Kirk totally Fogged Up in ruling the second game a tie.
Title: Re: "Funky" Temple Game Calls/Rulings
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on January 28, 2015, 02:47:13 PM
Did anyone ever figure out if Jason cheated in this temple game in Smashed Printing Plate? In his temple game, he and his opponent had to toss newspapers into a bin while riding one of the "bucking horses". Well, while the Purple Parrot boy fell off the horse, some people say that Jason shouldn't have been allowed to throw the newspapers into the bin until the PP boy was back on the horse. Yet, he continued to do so anyways. Is there any official ruling whether Jason was allowed to do this or not? Because I don't recall other episodes that use this temple game like Jason's game.

I know Poseidon and Empress Eugenie had the bucking horse game, but those ones had the players holding onto it without falling off. If the player did fall off in that temple game though, the horse was stopped until the fallen player got back on.

Olmec's rules stated that contestants were to "throw newspapers into the bin. If you miss, throw another one. If you fall off your horse, get back on and keep going." There was no mention of waiting for your opponent to get back on, so Jason didn't "cheat" by continuing to throw newspapers. This was the only temple game that used the "bucking horses" in a way that did not solely require contestants to hold on, so they probably did not think to include a rule clarifying this. You'll often find that when a moat crossing was too quick and easy/slow and challenging, or when a temple game has something "unexpected" or "ambiguous" happen, they would clarify or modify it in subsequent episodes.