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Title: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
During the pre-taped introduction for Season Three, Kirk Fogg swings in on a rope and then gives his opening spiel, welcoming the audience and introducing Olmec. During this introduction, it is clear that the column in the Pit of the Pendulum is knocked over and the door to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers is open, while the doors to the Tomb of the Headless Kings and the King's Storeroom are both closed. Also, the markers are all properly aligned on the columns in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, and the statue is assembled in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey.

Given this scenario, do you think it's possible that the pre-taped introduction footage was actually taped directly after one of the temple runs? Or did the production crew just have it set up like that?
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 24, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
Might be, since the last episode filmed the first day of the season was "The Much Heralded Helmet of Sir Gawain", and that was the path Tiffani took, and she completed both of those objectives. Only real issue is that (needless to say) all of the doors opened after she grabbed the Helmet.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 24, 2012, 04:45:44 PM
Well, the Olmec in the pre-taped introduction did not have that weird glow as present throughout the "Sir Gawain" production day. I think it was taped in a later production day. I mean how about "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean"? I mean the team entered both the Chamber and completed the Shrine, and did not make it past the Quicksand Bog.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 05:15:19 PM
Well, the Olmec in the pre-taped introduction did not have that weird glow as present throughout the "Sir Gawain" production day. I think it was taped in a later production day. I mean how about "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean"? I mean the team entered both the Chamber and completed the Shrine, and did not make it past the Quicksand Bog.

But in that episode, the Chamber of the Sacred Markers did not open from the Pit, and the doors to the King's Storeroom and Tomb of the Headless Kings did. The pre-taped footage shows the reverse for the doors that were opened and closed.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 24, 2012, 05:33:47 PM
It could've been filmed after "The Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth"s run. Last of its' day, and an almost identical layout as Sir Gawain.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 05:50:49 PM
It could've been filmed after "The Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth"s run. Last of its' day, and an almost identical layout as Sir Gawain.

That makes sense. The right series of doors are opened, and it was the last run of the day. The pre-taped footage doesn't have the Dried Ear of Corn in the shot, but all the production team had to do was remove it and then go on with the recording. Another strengthening piece of evidence is that the Ledges are well-lit in both the pre-taped footage and the "Dried Ear of Corn" temple run. And I don't know if this would be credible, but Kirk Fogg finished that particular temple run with a great deal of enthusiasm and energy, and he maintains a similar amount of energy in his pre-taped introduction.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 24, 2012, 07:34:27 PM
The only other layout that fits the temple layout description is "The Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass". But that episode was first on its production day though, so I don't know if that could be it. "Sojourner Truth" kind of makes sense anyways. Did Tess ever grab the Dried Ear of Corn from the Jester's Court or did she leave it there? I don't remember.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
The only other layout that fits the temple layout description is "The Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass". But that episode was first on its production day though, so I don't know if that could be it. "Sojourner Truth" kind of makes sense anyways. Did Tess ever grab the Dried Ear of Corn from the Jester's Court or did she leave it there? I don't remember.

She got into the room as time ran out, then she went over and picked it up. When Kirk started running in circles and saying, "She got into the room!", she put it back down. Then the camera cut back to Kirk and Eddie. When Tess came back into the camera shot with them, she was not holding the Dried Ear of Corn. All she had in her hands was her mouthguard.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 27, 2012, 12:48:08 PM
The wall between the Quicksand Bog and the Dark Forest also appears to be intact during the pre-taped introduction. In the "Smashed Printing Plate" run, Jason plowed through the wall; in the "Dried Ear of Corn" run, Tess did not. This reinforces my belief that the pre-taped footage was taken after the "Dried Ear or Corn" episode.

How do we know that the "Dried Ear of Corn" was taped on the penultimate production day? It seems a bit strange to me that the production team would have waited until the second-to-last day to shoot the introduction.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 27, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
We know because Nick GaS aired every episode in production order near the end of its' lifespan. And Nick aired about half of the season 3 episodes in reverse production order (Dried Ear of Corn included) in May and June of '07.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 27, 2012, 01:11:38 PM
I took a picture of the intro while watching "Sojourner Truth" and it look likes the bottom door to the Tomb of the Headless Kings was open after all. Its hard to see though when watching it, but it definitely was opened along with the Chamber door.


Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 27, 2012, 01:37:06 PM
I did a frame-by-frame look through of the intro again, and it does indeed look like the Tomb of the Headless Kings door was open along with the Chamber of the Sacred Markers' door for the intro. However, I did a frame-by-frame of the "Dried Ear of Corn" run, and it is clear that ONLY the Chamber door opened from the Pit (photo courtesy video from youtube.com posted by OlmecFan25):


Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 28, 2012, 01:15:47 AM
Looking back at the intro, I think I was wrong when I said that Olmec did not have the same glow in the intro like he did on the "Sir Gawain" production day. Right before he announces the legend for "The Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth", he glows for a brief moment. This makes me believe that the layout was indeed from the One-Eyed Jack/Lion-Slashed Jacket/War Fan/Sir Gawain production day. The layout itself must've been taped after "The War Fan of the 47 Ronin".
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 28, 2012, 11:55:48 AM
Looking back at the intro, I think I was wrong when I said that Olmec did not have the same glow in the intro like he did on the "Sir Gawain" production day. Right before he announces the legend for "The Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth", he glows for a brief moment. This makes me believe that the layout was indeed from the One-Eyed Jack/Lion-Slashed Jacket/War Fan/Sir Gawain production day. The layout itself must've been taped after "The War Fan of the 47 Ronin".

But as I've mentioned before, the door to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers was not opened from the Pit in the "War Fan" run. To my knowledge, the only times that the Tomb of the Headless Kings and the Chamber of the Sacred Markers both opened from the Pit were in "The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen" and in "The Upside-Down Compass of Henry Hudson" (but not until the second player ran in).
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 28, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
Forgot about the "War Fan" detail in the Chamber. Thanks for pointing that out. ;)

And yeah, I am pretty sure "Bandit Queen" and "Henry Hudson" is the only time both of those doors opened. But the problem is that the Silver Monkey is fully assembled in the Shrine in the pre-taped footage. And neither Zac or Miriam assembled the monkey while Derek failed to assemble the monkey in time before the time went out in "Henry Hudson". So I am not sure what the episode the layout could be from?
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 28, 2012, 02:19:56 PM
Comet Embroidered Battle Flag was filmed the first day, TRJ, not Lion Slashed Jacket ;)

Anyway, to try to narrow it down, here are the episodes filmed last on each day of season 3:

Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 28, 2012, 02:55:11 PM
Did the footage necessarily need to be taped after the final episode of the production day?

Regardless, in the "Much Heralded Helmet," only the Chamber of the Sacred Markers open, but all the doors unlocked when Tiffani grabbed the Helmet. In the "Thornwood Gavel," the Tomb of the Headless Kings and the King's Storeroom were open. The "Marble Armrest" saw only the Tomb of the Headless Kings open. The "Golden Spider Web" featured only the King's Storeroom opening. The "Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein" run only saw the King's Storeroom open, so it wouldn't have been after that run either. Though it's hard to see, the Chamber of the Sacred Markers did not open from the Pit in the "Enormous Feather" run; only the Tomb of the Headless Kings was open. The "Mussel Shell Armor" run had the Tomb of the Headless Kings open, but not the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. In the "Melted Head" run, both the Tomb of the Headless Kings and the King's Storeroom were open. Only the Chamber of the Sacred Markers opened during the "Dried Ear of Corn" run. The "Jewel-Encrusted Egg" saw only the Tomb of the Headless Kings open, but then all of the doors unlocked when Kristen reached the Egg.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 28, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Is it possible that they taped the intro not following a temple run? I mean I am not sure why two doors in the Pit are open while the King's Storeroom door is closed. But it isn't unusual to see the objectives of some rooms completed. Wasn't the Shrine and other rooms completed during temple games? Or maybe that was season two...
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 04, 2012, 05:25:49 PM
Is it possible that they taped the intro not following a temple run? I mean I am not sure why two doors in the Pit are open while the King's Storeroom door is closed. But it isn't unusual to see the objectives of some rooms completed. Wasn't the Shrine and other rooms completed during temple games? Or maybe that was season two...

The objectives were completed during the Season Three temple games, and the doors were usually all open as well.

Interestingly, when I was looking through some episodes to answer TRJ's question, I noticed a particular camera angle during the introduction to the trampoline game from "Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack." The Pit of the Pendulum can be seen through the trampoline netting, and it appears as though the door to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers was open, while the door to the King's Storeroom was closed. It was hard to tell if the door to the Tomb of the Headless Kings was open or closed because the netting of the trampoline blocked the view of that door.

What is even more interesting is that in "Comet Embroidered Battle Flag," the same trampoline game is used and is positioned in the same spot with the same camera angle. However, in this episode, the doors to the Tomb of the Headless Kings, Chamber of the Sacred Markers, AND King's Storeroom are all open.

Perhaps the pre-taped footage for the season's introduction was taped some time during this production day, but not necessarily after the temple runs were finished.



 


The photo on the top was taken from "Bifocal Monocle." The photo on the bottom was taken from "Comet Embroidered Battle Flag." Photos courtesy video posted on youtube.com by OlmecFan25.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: The Silver Monkey on November 09, 2012, 09:43:26 PM
The door to the King's Storeroom appears to be open in the "Battle Flag" pic.
Title: Re: Season Three Introduction Footage
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 09, 2012, 10:11:27 PM
The door to the King's Storeroom appears to be open in the "Battle Flag" pic.

Yes, as I said in my previous post:

What is even more interesting is that in "Comet Embroidered Battle Flag," the same trampoline game is used and is positioned in the same spot with the same camera angle. However, in this episode, the doors to the Tomb of the Headless Kings, Chamber of the Sacred Markers, AND King's Storeroom are all open.