This guy just can't let the elimination game topics go. :roll:
This guy just can't let the elimination game topics go. :roll:
What is your problem with me? I am trying to open up the door for thoughtful, civilly-mannered conversation, and all I ever get from you is rude, condescending remarks. I will not tolerate this disrespect. This thread was made with the intention of having in-depth, analytical discussions about why people hold the opinions they have, and I expect the conversations in this thread to be carried out in a polite, civil, and cooperative manner, regardless of whether people hold the same opinions or not. This thread will not tolerate bashing, hatred, or rude quarreling. If you feel that this thread is not suited for you, then simply ignore it and go on. But I would appreciate it if you didn't go out of your way just to degrade my ideas. Remember what you said earlier: "Opinions are opinions."
Now onto the main point of this topic. In regard to "forgettable" players, I feel that a player is forgettable if they 1: don't last very long in the temple and 2: they didn't do anything remarkable or memorable. An example: Chris from The Walking Stick of Harriet Tubman. I really don't remember him at all. Yes, I know I called his name, but I had to pick someone that I feel is forgettable and he is a forgettable player in my opinion.
Yeah let's face it, Mitchell was just lucky. All he had to do was press a bunch of actuators, a task that requires no skill and takes almost no time. Even if he knew what he was doing, he was just an average skilled player at best. If he had a similar path in a Season 3 temple, he wouldn't make it out with 1:06 left on the clock. I always felt like some of those Season 1 winners (Mitchell, the Silk Ladder kids), would choke in a later season temple. And Mitchell would be no exception to that rule.
So basically, the likes of Bobby and Mitchell are overrated because people praise them too much. When really, all they had to was press a bunch of actuators. And I highly doubt Mitchell planned any of this. It was just dumb luck that the treasure chest just happened to open the day he tried it. Knowing what you're doing and not getting turned around is not enough to consider Mitchell above average and better than most Season 1 players.
He was incompetent. Next.
Well, here's why I call him incompetent. I don't care how hard an objective is, but it should NOT take you more than a minute to complete just one room. Look at how Lost Love Letter's Whitney did with four snakes. She owned it. To top it all off, Tony goes into the Storeroom and punches those pots poorly. Punches like that would send the key flying out of the temple or into a good hiding spot in the room or temple. It might have been out of frustration, but that's not how the Storeroom should be done. Incompetent player in my mind.
I applaud you for finally commenting in this thread in a polite way, and you back up your statement with observations from the show. And what's more, I agree with your criteria.
I applaud you for finally commenting in this thread in a polite way, and you back up your statement with observations from the show. And what's more, I agree with your criteria.
Why did you have to go there? Seriously. You're acting like I'm a bad person when I'm not. Don't ever reply to my comments saying they were polite or whatever, because that's going off topic and is borderline trolling, trying to get me to respond the wrong way. Just stop, I don't like it. This is frustrating to me honestly.
Okay, let's not try to drag ourselves into this argument again. We were doing so good the past couple of pages without the fighting and this topic was made to avoid this. Maybe if you take this to a PM, it might be easier to resolve. ;)
To get back on topic, I have to say that at times that I feel that Lauren from "William Tell" and Dana were justified for screaming at their partners. Brett was just so slow in the temple and Jason was screwing around the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Although, that still doesn't excuse their poor performance for a short time in the temple. I mean come on now, how does it take a whole minute just to the King's Storeroom with all the rooms cleared? I think TMH was right when he said that Lauren "fails as a human being". Dana messed up also, but she had little time anyways whereas Lauren could've tried to add some progress onto her path.
And before I leave, I want to add one more. I have to say that I have some "sympathy" towards Lisa from "Alhambra". Yes, she screwed up her temple run and didn't make any progress with a lot of time on the clock. But I think the Tomb of the Ancient Kings mishap with the golden doors kind of confused her and messed her up. I mean she made it to the Tomb of the Ancient Kings with about 2:00 minutes on the clock, and she even tries the keypad to the Shrine. So its not like she didn't know that she had to go up. She probably could've reached the Keys if she didn't get confused in that room. Not that it was excusable for backtracking all the way to the Cave, but at least she tried going forward in the temple.
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.
I honestly don't know why the producers decided to give such grueling paths for that day. The best explanations I can conjure up are:
1. They didn't want to expend too much money on the bigger prizes, so they installed those long, grueling paths to guarantee that only the very best teams got the grand prizes. (Although, in my opinion, the "Discarded Seal" team truly did show one of the best team efforts in the show's history, and they still came shy of reaching the artifact.)
2. They wanted to force the teams to go through every room, so that viewers could see all of the rooms "in action."
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.
I honestly don't know why the producers decided to give such grueling paths for that day. The best explanations I can conjure up are:
1. They didn't want to expend too much money on the bigger prizes, so they installed those long, grueling paths to guarantee that only the very best teams got the grand prizes. (Although, in my opinion, the "Discarded Seal" team truly did show one of the best team efforts in the show's history, and they still came shy of reaching the artifact.)
2. They wanted to force the teams to go through every room, so that viewers could see all of the rooms "in action."
Interesting theory, but I don't think that would've been a reason because it would seem unfair to expect 12 or 13 year old at the end of the day to run enter every room of the most grueling version of the temple in three minutes. But then again, Travis and Elisa almost managed to do it. And I agree, they were one of the best losing teams on the show and one of the best teams period. Travis and Elisa were basically flawless in the temple like swinging back to the platform, trying all available shortcuts, handling the rooms in good time, and running fast on both of their parts in general. I was especially surprised to see Elisa to haul ass all the way where Travis was left off. I didn't think she had it in her! I think Leah and Matthew from "Belle Boyd" was another team that was almost flawless in the temple, except they took longer paths when they didn't needed to.
And yeah, Lisa was definitely better than Tia and probably Kim from "Lost Hammer" too. But that doesn't say much though I guess. :P
And here is another set of players that we never really compared or talked about on this forum - Jeremy and Erika from " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" and Shannon and Adam from "The Collar of Davy Crockett"?
Who do you think was more undeserving in their win?
I mean the ":roll:" train kids were first in every round of the temple and won the temple run altogether, which was only accomplished one other time in "Billy the Kid". Meanwhile, the "Davy Crockett" kids finished fourth in the moat and won only their last temple game before going to the temple.
And the temple run themselves were a little similar. Except Adam and Shannon got stuck with one extra room on their layout, and they had to encounter a couple of more room objectives like the Treasury of the Golden Orbs and Observatory. Not to mention, the Room of Fallen Columns was more difficult to navigate through compared to the Heart Room.
Both layouts were simple, yet the teams still finished with less than 30 seconds on the clock. Both the girls in the temple were fast for the most part, but Jeremy and Adam were so slow. I say Adam was a little slower than Jeremy though because he made no attempt to speed up at all, even when grabbing the Raccoon Collar. Meanwhile, Jeremy at least sped up after picking up the Silk Ladder at least. But then again, he slowed at the bottom of the steps for that stupid celebration.
Here is my opinion:
If we are talking about the temple run alone, I think " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" was more undeserving because they hard a more simpler layout than the "Davy Crockett" kids and still took a long time to get the Silk Ladder out. But if we are taking the whole episode into perspective, then I would say that the "Davy Crockett" kids were more undeserving because they barely scraped by the whole episode. But really, both wins were unimpressive.
Which is why I don't really compare the "Sir Gawain" and "Sojourner Truth" temple runs too much. In the first one, Tiffani takes the most direct path to the artifact and she still doesn't encounter a single guard. Eddie and Tess took the exact same path, except they encountered all three guards. Encountering additional temple guards can make or break it for a team. As nice of an effort it was by Tiffani to win in her run, do you think she would've won given the "Sojourner Truth" teams path? Especially with her slow speed?
The second encountered guard in the Discarded Seal run was in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, 8 rooms into the run and the 9th room (Ancient Warriors) had the final temple guard. In this run, the team was given just one shortcut: Bog-Shrine. They were never given access to the Tomb of the Headless Kings from the Pit, just the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. Travis and Elise were almost virtually perfect in this run, but due to how many rooms they had to enter and the layout of the temple guards, victory was virtually impossible. Getting to the Seal would've been a victory in its own way, but because of the two problems mentioned in the last sentence, they weren't able to reach it. This was not the team's fault, blame the overall layout.
The second encountered guard in the Enormous Feather run was in the Dark Forest. This was the 5th room into the run. We're not entirely sure where the third guard was in that run, but we're thinking it was the Ledges, making it a run that had the potential to end quickly in capture. So only two temple guards were encountered and not three like with the former run. That means less time was spent dealing with temple guards. In this run, the team didn't have to deal with the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, so the shortcut to the Tomb was there for them. They also had access to the Shrine from the Quicksand Bog. This is one less room David and Karissa had to deal with, so not only was getting to the Feather a possibility, but a potential win was there too. David moved pretty quickly and knew what to do in the temple. He got taken out of the temple in the Dark Forest in just one minute. I say that's quick. Karissa on the other hand, she was way too slow and hesitant. Just watch the run again and you'll know what I mean. It's like she didn't even want to try! :roll:
So there you go. There's the discrepancy in both runs. The Discarded Seal team had an almost virtually perfect run, but the layout was way too brutal to even get to the Seal. The Enormous Feather run had a winning layout, but Karissa messed everything up. I hope this helped clear any confusion between the two runs.
Of course YOU would question what I said. :roll:
Which is why I don't really compare the "Sir Gawain" and "Sojourner Truth" temple runs too much. In the first one, Tiffani takes the most direct path to the artifact and she still doesn't encounter a single guard. Eddie and Tess took the exact same path, except they encountered all three guards. Encountering additional temple guards can make or break it for a team. As nice of an effort it was by Tiffani to win in her run, do you think she would've won given the "Sojourner Truth" teams path? Especially with her slow speed?
It's really hard to say what would have happened if the "Sir Gawain" kids had the "Sojourner Truth" layout. The main factor in my saying this is the fact that we only saw Tiffani perform in the temple; her partner was not forced to enter in their episode, but would have had to go into the temple in the "Sojourner Truth" episode. He may have been as "great" as Zac Turney or as "bad" as Tia; the fact of the matter is that we don't know. Given this piece of information, it might be easier to say, but since we don't know how he would have performed, it would be nearly impossible to predict this hypothetical scenario with any certainty.
Just an FYI, (since I don't feel like quoting), David was taken out in the Dark Forest, NOT the Quicksand Bog. And David and Karisa had the "Enormous Feather" layout, not the "Discarded Seal" layout. Just saying.
As for the Mystical Spellbook run, Katie definitely should have gone in first. She was way faster than Jared and she would have been impressive in the temple. Also, notice how the Chamber door opened during the run? That had to have been where the other guard was. And if Katie had encountered that guard and got taken out in the Ancient Warriors, Jared would have gone in and.... who knows what would have happened?
Just an FYI, (since I don't feel like quoting), David was taken out in the Dark Forest, NOT the Quicksand Bog. And David and Karisa had the "Enormous Feather" layout, not the "Discarded Seal" layout. Just saying.
Here's another run no one really talks about - "The Helmet of Joan of Arc". In this run, the team made it pretty far with a lengthy layout. But what hurt them was that Mandy found the key in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings but did not use it. Instead, she used the slow Well bucket. Plus, she was kind of slow. My thoughts would be that if Mandy went in first and Eddie went in second, then I think this team would've won. Mandy would've been taken out in the Room of Harmonic Convergence and Eddie was fast and hopefully would've taken the Tomb-Shrine shortcut.
And here is sort of a different question. What are some runs that would have a different outcome if the second player actually went in first?
Not to mention, "The Oracle Bowl of Delphi" had nearly the same path and outcome. Fast player goes first, gets taken out early, slow player goes in second, and loses. Had it been reserve order of players, the respective teams would have reached the artifact. Maybe even brought it out too.
And here is sort of a different question. What are some runs that would have a different outcome if the second player actually went in first?
I feel like every run would have been different if the players switched positions. The outcome may not have been drastically different, but I think that there would have been something in every run that would have played out differently (even if that meant just a small change in the time a room was completed or how much time was left on the clock). And plus, if the order of the runners had been switched, we would have missed out on a lot of memorable moments. It would have been impossible for Renee to miss the half pendant if she were the frontrunner, Ryann would not have been able to be taken out in the Crypt, and Nick would not have ended up jumping out of the temple (well, hopefully not... if he did jump out from the Heart room, it would have been much more hazardous to his health).
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple. :roll:
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple. :roll:
There was another episode (I believe it was during Season Two) where the contestant also had trouble finding the actuator. I don't recall the name of the episode off the top of my head, but I am certain that it occurred. The swung across the Pit and tried to physically push open the door to the Observatory. The contestant quickly caught his/her mistake and went for the actuator, before Kirk needed to announce "Hit the button!" But it happened nonetheless.
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple. :roll:
There was another episode (I believe it was during Season Two) where the contestant also had trouble finding the actuator. I don't recall the name of the episode off the top of my head, but I am certain that it occurred. They swung across the Pit and tried to physically push open the door to the Observatory. The contestant quickly caught his/her mistake and went for the actuator, before Kirk needed to announce "Hit the button!" But it happened nonetheless.
John Henry's Lost Hammer from season 1. The player was Kim.
Yeah, but they weren't nearly as bad as Kim. I always thought when the producers showed the kids the temple, the Wall Climb doors were opened instead of closed. That's how we see the doors in the background during the temple games. And when Kim finally got to the temple, she was confused when the doors were closed. Even then, that doesn't excuse her incompetence, and she should have known how to use an actuator. I know this was early on in the shows run, but still.
And as for the Lisa thing, I can't really blame her for getting confused even if the producers showed the contestants how each rooms worked. We know for a fact they did because both Jennifer from "Galileo's Cannonball" and Nick from "Great Seal" mention this in their interviews. And like I mentioned earlier, Lisa did try using the key in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, but the door was already open prior to her entering the room. We don't even hear a sound either when she places the key to the Shrine door. I am sure if the golden door to the Shrine opened after she placed the key on the key panel then she wouldn't have backtracked all the way to the Wall Climb.
Kelly from "The Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid" tried to pry the door open with her hands at first, but then quickly went for the buttons.
And I think Becca from "Genghis Khan" also tried doing the same thing, but I am not sure of this. But none of them compared to Kim. She wasted a good chunk of her temple run screwing around in the Wall Climb. It was so bad that even the audience was shouting at her to "Press the button!". And if that is bad enough, she got confused in the Heart Room also. And notice how that temple guard in the Heart Room abruptly comes out of the temple guard door, snatches Kim's pendant, and leaves right away. Mercy guard, anyone? :shock:With Becca, I think she was just trying to shove the door open, since it didn't open up all the way. I believe Mitchell tried to do that very same thing. As for Kim, I always thought it was Billy who was shouting "Hit the button!" It sounded exactly like him. And I definitely agree that the Heart Room temple guard was delayed due to it being a mercy kill.
And I think Becca from "Genghis Khan" also tried doing the same thing, but I am not sure of this. But none of them compared to Kim. She wasted a good chunk of her temple run screwing around in the Wall Climb. It was so bad that even the audience was shouting at her to "Press the button!". And if that is bad enough, she got confused in the Heart Room also. And notice how that temple guard in the Heart Room abruptly comes out of the temple guard door, snatches Kim's pendant, and leaves right away. Mercy guard, anyone? :shock:With Becca, I think she was just trying to shove the door open, since it didn't open up all the way. I believe Mitchell tried to do that very same thing. As for Kim, I always thought it was Billy who was shouting "Hit the button!" It sounded exactly like him. And I definitely agree that the Heart Room temple guard was delayed due to it being a mercy kill.
I wouldn't blame Jay for the issues in the Jesters' Court. Seemed like a production error to me.
Yes, THANK YOU for mentioning Jennifer from "Melted Head," who always gets a lot of undeserved criticism just because she yelled at her partner. People don't want to look passed Jennifer's shouting, and look at her real performance in the temple. She was right to be hard in Nicholas. He was way too slow and hesitant in the temple. Obviously, Jennifer is not gonna reach the artifact and win in 40 seconds. At least she made progress, unlike Dana and Lauren, who couldn't even get out of the Pit in what little time they had remaining. I think if Jennifer had gone in first instead of Nicholas, it probably would have been a solo win. Assuming the third guard was in the Ledges.
Claude at #1 and Aqila replaces Eusinia.This, and you called Eusinia a "he" in one of your sentences talking about her.
I don't think that Gracelyn and Brian were necessarily a bad team; they just didn't have much luck in the temple. There were plenty of times when a contestant tried fewer than the three skeletons before they went down to the Ledges, or tried to go up into the Crypt before trying both doors in the Ledges. It just so happened that Brian got caught in a dead end in the Ledges in that particular run. That very easily could have happened to another contestant in a different run, but they were lucky enough to have a way out of the Ledges.
While Brian did not signal the half pendant to Gracelyn, there were plenty of instances where the frontrunner failed to point out the half pendant's location. And although it was in a rather obvious spot, Gracelyn would have had to have been looking ahead and down while running across the Troubled Bridge in order to have seen it. In all of the episodes featuring the team crossing a rickety bridge, it was more common for the players to look straight down at one's feet or directly ahead in order to maintain balance and speed. In addition, this was the only run to feature the half pendant in that location besides "Babe the Ox" (and in that episode, the team was not forced to traverse the Troubled Bridge and be forced to find the half pendant), so it is hard to say whether another team would have also had trouble locating the half pendant there.
And in regards to Gracelyn backtracking to Medusa's Lair, I believe that the door to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey did not open, and the team was supposed to go down the central shaft, then to the Swamp, and then finally to the Dark Forest.
So if Gracelyn was a poor contestant for passing up the half pendant and Aqila was a poor contestant for passing up the Golden Pepperoni, then would Olivia Emma have been considered a poor contestant if she had run into a temple guard during her run?
Olivia Emma missed her half pendant as well. Luckily, and unlike Gracelyn, she did not encounter a third temple guard. Granted, she did make quick work of the King's Storeroom and the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Then, when she got into the Viper's Nest, she went straight for the elevator. (I personally think that the elevator was down in the Mineshaft because she paused and then looked around the room sort of confused.) Either way, she, like Aqila, did not go straight for the artifact in the upper-left room. Luckily, Olivia Emma could not descend via the elevator, and instead found the Applewood Amulet without time running out.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, why is "Applewood Amulet" considered a great run, "Sforza" a pretty good run, and other runs where better-than-average teams faced a more intense or longer layout (such as "Belle Boyd") considered an average, mediocre, or good run?
Does it come down to the success of the team, the emotional impact or suspense (thrill) of the run/contestants, and the difficulty of the path/rooms? Are the three considered equally? Is one weighted more heavily than the others? Does it have to do with how the contestants were portrayed or how the episode was editing? Is one of the three sometimes neglected or dismissed entirely, and if so, under what circumstances?
Well, a win that is exciting is one that is memorable where something stands out. I suppose part of the charm of some wins have to deal with the contestants "energy" or "emotional state" while in the temple. One obvious example is Missy being really nervous and crying at the end of her temple run which was coupled with her hugging her partner and Kirk. Nobody wants to watch a contestant like Mitchell or Tracy from "Cleopatra" who looks like they don't even want to be on the show. This is why a lot of season one wins are not very memorable or exiting because none of the contestants really stand out.
The "emotionally exciting" wins are ones that come down to the wire too. That is why people like "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress", "Emiliano Zapata", and "Freydis" because they keep you at the edge of your seat until the very end of the run. It doesn't have to be down to a last second either, runs like "Pirate Captain" and "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" have a "down to the wire" finish to them also. This is why wins like "Enormous Iron Nose Ring", "Butch Cassidy", "Benzibab", "Geronimo", and "Roland" are not at the top of my list because there is nothing really exciting about finishing with over a minute left (or close to a minute). Its a nice feat and everything to finish with that much time in Olmec's temple, but they are pretty anticlimactic finishes.
And I also want to add in player performance too. An exciting run should have a player that is at least fast and acts competent. As cool as it was for Mitchell to reach the opposite side of the temple and bring the artifact out, I still find it to be boring because he just walks through the whole temple.
When it comes down to it though, I guess its personal preference. I mean there are a lot of people out there that like wins like Enormous Iron Nose Ring and Moccasins even though I personally can't stand them.
Well, a win that is exciting is one that is memorable where something stands out. I suppose part of the charm of some wins have to deal with the contestants "energy" or "emotional state" while in the temple. One obvious example is Missy being really nervous and crying at the end of her temple run which was coupled with her hugging her partner and Kirk. Nobody wants to watch a contestant like Mitchell or Tracy from "Cleopatra" who looks like they don't even want to be on the show. This is why a lot of season one wins are not very memorable or exiting because none of the contestants really stand out.
The "emotionally exciting" wins are ones that come down to the wire too. That is why people like "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress", "Emiliano Zapata", and "Freydis" because they keep you at the edge of your seat until the very end of the run. It doesn't have to be down to a last second either, runs like "Pirate Captain" and "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" have a "down to the wire" finish to them also. This is why wins like "Enormous Iron Nose Ring", "Butch Cassidy", "Benzibab", "Geronimo", and "Roland" are not at the top of my list because there is nothing really exciting about finishing with over a minute left (or close to a minute). Its a nice feat and everything to finish with that much time in Olmec's temple, but they are pretty anticlimactic finishes.
And I also want to add in player performance too. An exciting run should have a player that is at least fast and acts competent. As cool as it was for Mitchell to reach the opposite side of the temple and bring the artifact out, I still find it to be boring because he just walks through the whole temple.
When it comes down to it though, I guess its personal preference. I mean there are a lot of people out there that like wins like Enormous Iron Nose Ring and Moccasins even though I personally can't stand them.
So the excitement of the run came down to the contestants' enthusiasm and the run being a close ending, but not about how enthusiastic Kirk was with his commentary? I find that a bit surprising, because I felt that there were some episodes where Kirk sounded more enticed and engaged in the run, and that added some excitement to the runs for me.
Nicholas from "Madame Tussaud" took a lot of time in some rooms it seemed too, especially the Tomb of the Headless Kings.
Looking at the design for "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean", do you guys think it was a more probable chance of the Orange Iguanas winning if Mike went straight to the King's Storeroom from the Pit? The King's Storeroom route would've been much shorter since it was one less objective for Mike to complete and he still would've been taken out in the Room of the Secret Password. And when Kelli would enter, the King's Storeroom would've already been cleared for her and she wouldn't have wasted time there. I think this team would've won if they entered the King's Storeroom the start. Although they still would've won if Kelli wasn't so stupid. :roll:
I am not sure if I consider the Throne Room a deadend room for Eusinia either. Since the Throne Room opened, it looked like an alternate path that she could take from the Cave.
| Episode | Contestant | First Inner-Temple Room | Time Left on Clock |
| Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack | Veronica | Chamber (3) | 1:23 |
| Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror | Olivia | Headless Kings (3) | N/A |
| War Fan of the Forty-Seven Ronin | Jeremy | Headless Kings (3) | 1:58 |
| Much-Heralded Helmet of Sir Gawain | Tiffani | Chamber (3) | 2:02 |
| Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta | Andrea | King's Storeroom (3) | 2:03 |
| Lion-Slashed Jacket of Sacajawea | Lauren | Headless Kings (3) | 2:02 |
| Secret Map of the Bandit Queen | Miriam | Headless Kings (3) | 2:13 |
| Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean | Mike | Headless Kings (3) | 2:22 |
| Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro | Casey | Headless Kings (3) | 1:55 |
| Upside-Down Compass of Henry Hudson | Sherra | Headless Kings (4) | 1:52 |
| Bent Shaving Pan of Jedidiah Smith | Irish | Headless Kings (3) | 2:02 |
| Marble Armrest of Xerxes | Noelle | Headless Kings (4) | 1:44 |
| Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass | Jason | Chamber (3) | 2:02 |
| Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard | Jared | King's Storeroom (4) | 1:48 |
| Useless Map of the Chibcha Chieftain | Hallie | Headless Kings (3) | N/A |
| Golden Spider Web of Robert the Bruce | Christine | King's Storeroom (4) | 1:58 |
| Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible | Travis | Chamber (3) | 2:17 |
| Mysterious Manuscript of Mary Shelley | Kate | Chamber (3) | 2:00 |
| Dried Apple Half of William Tell | Brett | King's Storeroom (4) | 1:39 |
| Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein | Rachel | King's Storeroom (4) | 1:40 |
| Ivory Hunting Horn of Roland | Yakerra | Headless Kings (3) | 2:17 |
| Royal Torque of Queen Boadicea | Lissy | Chamber (3) | 1:56 |
| Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain | Jessica | Headless Kings (3) | 2:24 |
| Enormous Feather of the Me Linh | David | Headless Kings (3) | 2:15 |
| Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu | Brandy | King's Storeroom (3) | 2:13 |
| Broken Trident of Poseidon | Kimberly | Headless Kings (3) | 2:19 |
| Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis I | Katie | King's Storeroom (3) | 2:18 |
| Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak | Amanda | Headless Kings (3) | 2:07 |
| Metal Beard of the Egyptian Queen | TJ | Headless Kings (3) | 2:21 |
| Mummified Hand of the Egyptian King | Maggie | Headless Kings (3) | N/A |
| Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb | Dean | Chamber (3) | 1:56 |
| Melted Head of Madame Tussaud | Nick | Headless Kings (3) | 2:05 |
| Pearl Necklace of Gwalior | Ryan | King's Storeroom (3) | 2:17 |
| Bullet-Riddled Handbag of Belle Boyd | Leah | King's Storeroom (3) | 2:14 |
| Lost Whale Bone of Pytheas | Brittany | Headless Kings (3) | 2:15 |
| Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth | Eddie | Chamber (3) | 2:00 |
| Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza | Lacey | Headless Kings (3) | 2:07 |
| Good-Luck Watch of Empress Eugenie | Janeen | King's Storeroom (3) | 1:46 |
| Ruby Earring of Benzibab | Annie | Headless Kings (3) | N/A |
| Jewel-Encrusted Egg of Catherine the Great | Kris | Headless Kings (3) | N/A |
Interesting stuff there. Based on that list, Leah, Mike, and Jessica were the fastest, and Janeen, Noelle, and Veronica were the slowest. One comparison I always wanted to do was how long a player truly lasted in the temple. I believe TMH did that when he posted his stats, and I think it would be interesting thing to compare.
Interesting stuff there. Based on that list, Leah, Mike, and Jessica were the fastest.
One comparison I always wanted to do was how long a player truly lasted in the temple.
| Episode | Contestant | Removal Room | Rooms Entered | Time Left on Clock |
| Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack | Veronica | King’s Storeroom | 5 | 0:42 |
| Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror | Olivia | Tomb of the Headless Kings | 3 | 2:17 |
| War Fan of the Forty-Seven Ronin | Jeremy | Secret Password | 7 | 1:07 |
| Much-Heralded Helmet of Sir Gawain | Tiffani | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta | Andrea | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| Lion-Slashed Jacket of Sacajawea | Lauren | King’s Storeroom | 5 | 1:17 |
| Secret Map of the Bandit Queen | Miriam | Dark Forest | 5 | 1:17 |
| Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean | Mike | Secret Password | 7 | 1:22 |
| Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro | Casey | Dark Forest | 5 | 0:59 |
| Upside-Down Compass of Henry Hudson | Sherra | King’s Storeroom | 6 | 1:05 |
| Bent Shaving Pan of Jedidiah Smith | Irish | Ancient Warriors | 7 | 0:30 |
| Marble Armrest of Xerxes | Noelle | Quicksand Bog | 7 | 1:03 |
| Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass | Jason | Dark Forest | 8 | 0:30 |
| Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard | Jared | Quicksand Bog | 8 | 0:46 |
| Useless Map of the Chibcha Chieftain | Hallie | Tomb of the Headless Kings | 3 | 2:30 |
| Golden Spider Web of Robert the Bruce | Christine | Ancient Warriors | 5 | 1:49 |
| Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible | Travis | Silver Monkey | 8 | 1:14 |
| Mysterious Manuscript of Mary Shelley | Kate | Silver Monkey | 6 | 1:13 |
| Dried Apple Half of William Tell | Brett | Tomb of the Headless Kings | 6 | 0:56 |
| Missing Portrait of Hans Holbein | Rachel | Ancient Warriors | 5 | 1:24 |
| Ivory Hunting Horn of Roland | Yakerra | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| Royal Torque of Queen Boadicea | Lissy | Chamber of the Sacred Markers | 3 | 1:56 |
| Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain | Jessica | Ancient Warriors | 6 | 1:32 |
| Enormous Feather of the Me Linh | David | Dark Forest | 5 | 1:57 |
| Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu | Brandy | Secret Password | 6 | 1:21 |
| Broken Trident of Poseidon | Kimberly | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis I | Katie | Silver Monkey | 6 | 0:51 |
| Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak | Amanda | Dark Forest | 5 | 1:32 |
| Metal Beard of the Egyptian Queen | TJ | Dark Forest | 5 | 1:56 |
| Mummified Hand of the Egyptian King | Maggie | Tomb of the Headless Kings | 3 | 2:20 |
| Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb | Dean | Silver Monkey | 6 | 1:07 |
| Melted Head of Madame Tussaud | Nick | Ancient Warriors | 6 | 0:45 |
| Pearl Necklace of Gwalior | Ryan | Silver Monkey | 6 | 1:27 |
| Bullet-Riddled Handbag of Belle Boyd | Leah | Dark Forest | 7 | 1:00 |
| Lost Whale Bone of Pytheas | Brittany | Silver Monkey | 7 | 1:22 |
| Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth | Eddie | Ancient Warriors | 4 | 1:48 |
| Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza | Lacey | Chamber of the Sacred Markers | 4 | 1:35 |
| Good-Luck Watch of Empress Eugenie | Janeen | Silver Monkey | 5 | 1:30 |
| Ruby Earring of Benzibab | Annie | Tomb of the Headless Kings | 3 | 2:35 |
| Jewel-Encrusted Egg of Catherine the Great | Kris | Tomb of the Headless Kings | 3 | 2:28 |
This could be nothing, but after rewatching the clip a few times, I also notice that the audience (which is present) seems to have a producer generated applause at a strange time, not when he crossed the gate, but after the scene changes.