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Title: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 18, 2012, 06:37:15 PM
I thought it would be a neat idea to create this thread to discuss why certain contestants were deemed "overrated," others "fan favorites," some "forgettable," and the rest "bad contestants." I'd like for people here to think about a few factors, and hopefully we can engage in a thoughtful and civil conversation. Some of the major questions I have are:


1. What qualified the contestants to be categorized as they were?

2. Do some of our views about the contestants come from the way the episode was edited or the way the contestant was portrayed during the rest of the episode? To what extent is this effect seen? Does media have a significant impact on our perceptions and beliefs?

3. Are there instances where different contestants shared many attributes, characteristics, and occurrences during the run, yet the contestants were portrayed in different ways such that viewers categorized the two contestants differently (or such that viewers liked/disliked one person more than the other)?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 18, 2012, 06:49:11 PM
This guy just can't let the elimination game topics go. :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 18, 2012, 07:04:14 PM
Well, I told him that it was a better idea to take the elimination thread discussion and talk about it here. This way we can get as detailed as we want about the discussion without having to get in other people's way. And I think it could be an interesting idea if you just give it a chance. ;)

Anyways, I think one contestant that gets some undeserved hate is Jennifer from "The Melted Head of Madame Tussaud". People always compare her to Dana and Lauren from "William Tell" in the temple. I guess that was because she was kind of loud like those two were plus her temple appearance was short-lived. I disagree though that she is comparable to those two and that she was much better than two of those jokes. I mean she only had a little over 30 seconds to herself, and she still made it far. She was smart enough to cut straight to the King's Storeroom AND she almost assembled the monkey. That is pretty good IMO and she used her available time just fine. Meanwhile, Dana and Lauren made no progress whatsoever. Lauren was just so slow and couldn't even make it to the King's Storeroom with the 1:00+ she and Dana was sucky and even took the wrong door in the Ledges. Jennifer is no where as comparable as Dana and Lauren are.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 18, 2012, 08:13:46 PM
This guy just can't let the elimination game topics go. :roll:

What is your problem with me? I am trying to open up the door for thoughtful, civilly-mannered conversation, and all I ever get from you is rude, condescending remarks. I will not tolerate this disrespect. This thread was made with the intention of having in-depth, analytical discussions about why people hold the opinions they have, and I expect the conversations in this thread to be carried out in a polite, civil, and cooperative manner, regardless of whether people hold the same opinions or not. This thread will not tolerate bashing, hatred, or rude quarreling. If you feel that this thread is not suited for you, then simply ignore it and go on. But I would appreciate it if you didn't go out of your way just to degrade my ideas. Remember what you said earlier: "Opinions are opinions."
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 18, 2012, 08:41:32 PM
In Ty's Season Two "Atocha" run, he dropped his pendant on his way up the stairs to the temple. Maggie lost her pendant in the Pit in the "Mummified Hand" run in Season Three. Maggie has been reprimanded for losing her pendant, whereas Ty's dropping of his pendant is overlooked and called "a memorable beginning to the run."

Why is there this disparity? Does it have to do with the fact that Ty ended up going on to score a solo victory, while Maggie was immediately removed from the temple?

And I can't help but wonder how the two runs would have ended up if the events were reversed: if Maggie had gotten her pendant back, and if Ty was removed by the temple guard. I personally believe that the "Mummified Hand" run would have been a loss, simply by the design of the route the team was forced to take. Maggie would have had to have traversed the whole central shaft before being taken out by the second guard. Then, her partner would have had less time to be in the temple. I don't think that either were bad or slow contestants, but I think that this layout would have been pretty brutal to overcome. I'm not as sure about what would have happened with the "Atocha" run. Although, I'm pretty sure Ty would have been compared to Ryann from the "Walking Stick" run for being taken out of the temple in the entrance room.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 18, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I have a good one:

People give Missy from "The Lucky Pillow of Annie Taylor" crap just because she took a direct path and didn't move that fast. How is not moving fast mean you're automatically a bad player? So maybe she hesitated a little at the beginning. But that doesn't detract from the rest of her performance in the temple. I thought she did great, and her emotion and excitement in the end made it even better. So she wasn't fast, she still knew exactly what to do in every room. Missy gets antagonized for one little mistake, yet Paula from "The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy" gets special tretament just because she had a cakewalk layout. Just because she's "fast" and "had a really smart partner," automatically makes her a wonderful player. Some people say Missy lucked into her layout, I thought Paula was the one that lucked into her layout. At least Missy had objectives like assemble the monkey and break pots in the King's Storeroom. All Paula had to do was press some actuators, and boom that's it. I never understood why Paula is considered a better player than Missy was.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 18, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
@PP4L:

I don't think the whole pendant dropping thing should be brought up in judging Ty and Maggie. Both instances were just honest mistakes on both contestants parts and was out of their control. I know people tend to judge Maggie harshly for dropping her pendant, but I never did because it most likely snapped off her wrist without knowing. I mean when she is in the Tomb of the Headless Kings and encounters the temple guard, she looks really surprised that she didn't have her pendant. The straps on the pendant weren't the most durable and there are contestants that have dropped their pendants before besides Ty and Maggie (I think Kelly from "Montezuma" also lost hers, but she picked it up). It was out of both players control, so I don't think it is fair to judge both of them for that.

And I thought Maggie looked like a decent player, even though she didn't last long in the temple. Had she kept her full pendant though, she probably would've been forced up the central shaft. But we can't really judge her because at the end of the day she only lasted three rooms. The reason people think highly of Ty is because he was solid performer with a good strategy in the temple. He did get lucky with "Jennifer" tossing the pendant back to him, but I think that shouldn't short-change him or Maggie.

@PPF:

I blame outer space/notundercop27 for the whole Missy "taking the direct path" crap. He was the one that kept preaching that contestants that took a direct path were somehow inferior to ones that don't. She only wasted what, 8 seconds by doing that? And I don't see how people can say Missy's layout was lucky. Sure, she only encountered one guard. But she also took a shortcut, which possibly avoided a guard for her. Other than that, she didn't do anything else wrong with her layout and just because she wasn't Gator fast doesn't mean that she is somehow inferior to other temple runners. There is a reason there were only two center of the temple victories on the show, and Missy earned hers.

And I agree, Paula is the most overrated contestant on the show. The only objective she had to complete in the temple was ride the Mine Shaft elevator. Big deal. Even some season one victories had to complete more objectives than she did. Oh yeah, she scraped by every round of the temple in order to make it there in the first place. Definitely one of the most undeserving winners on the show next to Mitchell and Bobby.  :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 19, 2012, 12:01:18 AM
This guy just can't let the elimination game topics go. :roll:

What is your problem with me? I am trying to open up the door for thoughtful, civilly-mannered conversation, and all I ever get from you is rude, condescending remarks. I will not tolerate this disrespect. This thread was made with the intention of having in-depth, analytical discussions about why people hold the opinions they have, and I expect the conversations in this thread to be carried out in a polite, civil, and cooperative manner, regardless of whether people hold the same opinions or not. This thread will not tolerate bashing, hatred, or rude quarreling. If you feel that this thread is not suited for you, then simply ignore it and go on. But I would appreciate it if you didn't go out of your way just to degrade my ideas. Remember what you said earlier: "Opinions are opinions."

After thinking about this whole matter, I think I owe you an apology for what has been going on with our opinions on certain players. I just felt you were a little too strict toward certain players, that's all. However, I can be held accountable for making the same mistake as well. That being said, I'm sorry about this.

Now onto the main point of this topic. In regard to "forgettable" players, I feel that a player is forgettable if they 1: don't last very long in the temple and 2: they didn't do anything remarkable or memorable. An example: Chris from The Walking Stick of Harriet Tubman. I really don't remember him at all. Yes, I know I called his name, but I had to pick someone that I feel is forgettable and he is a forgettable player in my opinion.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 19, 2012, 12:01:55 AM
And speaking of direct path, I tried to not give the contestants a hard for taking one in the following situations:

1.) If the player was a season one contestant. These kids had no idea how the show worked since no episode was airing at the time, so I don't expect them to think that the most direct path usually ended up being a longer route or dead-end for them. The only exception would be if their direct path is way too obvious. (Like Joe from "Elizabeth I's Golden Ship". Come on now, did you really think the Throne Room would open that easily? :roll:)

2.) If the direct path actually works for the contestant. I don't see how this is a bad thing at all, much to the dismay of outer space. Yeah, Olivia-Emma and Robert won with a direct path. Do you really expect me to slam them for that?

3.) If the direct path was the only route that was open and the team was forced on that route. Like the Green Monkeys in "Belle Boyd" and "Imperial Wizard". Or the Orange Iguanas in "Mush Pot Hat".

4.) If the artifact was at the opposite end of the temple. Like if it is in the Mine Shaft and the team enters the Laser Light Room, I don't really consider that a direct path.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 19, 2012, 12:18:35 AM

Now onto the main point of this topic. In regard to "forgettable" players, I feel that a player is forgettable if they 1: don't last very long in the temple and 2: they didn't do anything remarkable or memorable. An example: Chris from The Walking Stick of Harriet Tubman. I really don't remember him at all. Yes, I know I called his name, but I had to pick someone that I feel is forgettable and he is a forgettable player in my opinion.

I agree, I think a player being "forgettable" is a good justification for judging them. I mean if they don't stand out in the first place for something, then there is probably not much to talk about in the first place. Players like Chris from "Harriet Tubman", the "Efoua" kids, the "Stone Marker" kids, etc. are not going to be talked about much because there wasn't anything to talk about in the first place. Even though contestants like John, Tia, Claude, Veronica, and Thomas were god awful in the temple, they are definitely not forgettable because we remember how bad they were.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 19, 2012, 02:11:24 PM
Returning to Missy's run in "Lucky Pillow," do you think that the producers edited the episode with the intention of increasing the emotion and excitement of the episode? Do you think the editing contributed to the heightened sense of emotion for this particular episode?

In contrast, the producers decided to include Dana and Lauren yelling at their partners during their respective runs. Do you think this particular choice of editing impacted the way people remember these contestants? Or do you think that these contestants were portrayed the same way throughout their respective episodes?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 19, 2012, 02:15:39 PM
Missy, Lauren, Dana, and Jennifer from "Melted Head" to me were just over emotional players whose personality just came naturally to them. That's the only way I see it. Though Season 3 seemed to have a lot of enthusiastic players. So maybe they (excluding Missy of course) were picked by the production crew for that reason.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 19, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
It kind of felt by season three that the contestants personalities were more along the line of being "staged". The season three contestants were much more enthusiastic compared to the season one and two contestants. I mean they would always try to make a "#1" gesture or some pose in front of the camera any opportunity they would get. Kate from "Mary Shelley" is the one that comes to mind when it comes to the "staged" contestants. But there were plenty of other season three contestants whose gestures felt authentic like Elisa, Andrea, Lacey, and Asher.

It would be interesting that if the producers intentionally included Lauren and Dana's screaming for their runs purposefully. To answer PP4L's question, including their cheering and screaming sure made it memorable for me. And not for good reasons either in regards to Lauren and Dana. Dana was just going over-the-top with her screaming and Lauren was very annoying too. I didn't mind if a contestants like T.J., Janeen, and Jennifer screaming because their partners were sucky and at least they pulled their own weight. But Lauren and Dana were so awful that I think they deserve the hate they get.

It makes me wonder if Zac from "Bandit Queen" was yelling at Miriam, but it got edited out. It felt that way from reading his interview that he got upset with her. Or Nate when it came to Lissy in "The Royal Torque of Queen Boadicea".
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 19, 2012, 06:59:04 PM
Wait, Randy was sucky? And I don't remember Nate or Janeen's shouting.

To get back to the question itself, yeah it did seem like Season 3 had more "staged" enthusiasm. Kate was "Manuscript" was a perfect example of it, with her poses and constant "We're #1" gestures. I remember Renegade Pancake/TMH saying a while back: they were attention loving TV mongers who just wanted to be on film. And that the likes of Lacey and Kate were brought on to the show thanks to their "stage parents." While I wouldn't call them attention whores, that is pretty funny. :lol:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 19, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
Neither Nate nor Janeen said anything during their runs. However, Jay was urging Janeen to hurry up in the King's Storeroom.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 19, 2012, 10:40:13 PM
I'm pretty sure TRJ was was going with Jay as the "screamer" for both scenarios he mentioned. I take it that it was just a typo on his part.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 19, 2012, 10:58:32 PM
Why do people feel that Mitchell from "Moccasins of Geronimo" is an overrated contestant? I feel that he knew exactly where he was going and had every intention of taking the route he took. He did not hesitate at any point during his run, nor did he ever get delayed in any room (unless you count the 2 seconds it took him to slide the door open in the Pit to get to the Observatory). Not once did he get turned around or try a door that would lead him backwards. He was not phased or staggered in the least when he met the guard in the Observatory. That's a pretty good feat for a Season One run.

Even though all of the rooms he entered were rather simplistic, he still needed to clear seven rooms before reaching the Moccasins, and he got to the Moccasins in 1:16. That is pretty impressive, if you ask me. Mitchell's only "mistake" was his starting to assemble the statue in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, and that was most likely because the door to the Treasure Room from the Shrine of the Silver Monkey only barely slid ajar when the doors unlocked, so he didn't realize all the doors were open. (And you have to admit, he probably would have been pretty efficient at putting the monkey together at the rate he was going, even if he was doing it one-handed.) He still was able to get out of the temple with 1:06 left (a total of 48 seconds to get out of the temple from the opposite corner, and that is including his entire delay in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey). I don't know why people call this run overrated... I mean, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Mitchell was the very best contestant of Season One, but I most definitely enjoy this run and I commend his performance.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 20, 2012, 12:40:14 AM
Yeah, I meant Jay instead of Janeen.  :oops: As for Nate, I was trying to say that I am surprised that he didn't scream at Lissy at all since she was just as bad as Janeen in the temple. And I didn't mean to imply that Randy was sucky. She was fast and knew what she was doing, it was just her exit plan that was kind of bad and was why TJ was shouting at her. ;)

I knew it was a matter of time before Mitchell was going to get mentioned. I honestly never thought that he was that great of a contestant. Every room of the temple he entered was just a "hit the actuator". In addition to the very easy rooms he entered, he also walked through every single one of them all the way to the Pirate's Cove. My favorite part is when people called him a "strategist" just because he used the Treasure Chest. I honestly think that he went down the Treasure Chest because that was the first thing in sight for him in the room. I mean you have a giant Treasure Chest in the middle of the room. Why not open it? He was just lucky that it wasn't locked for him like in other runs where it screws the team over, most notably "Zenobia" and "Silver Saddle Horn".

While winning with over a minute left looks impressive, it was mostly due to a very simple layout for him winning. Look at other season one runs where the teams had to enter the same amount of rooms as Mitchell, and most of those wins went down the wire. He just an average contestant that got stuck with an easy layout that I am sure other contestants could've waltzed through like him too. Oh yeah, he assembled the monkey after he acquired the artifact. No other contestant did that except Kimberly from "Brokent Trident".
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on October 20, 2012, 01:03:29 AM
Kimberly never assembled the Monkey, Mr. Fogg-Up.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 20, 2012, 01:31:36 PM
I meant more along the lines that Kimberly was the only other contestant to complete an objective after grabbing the artifact. In her case, she was placing herself in the suits of armor in the Ancient Warriors. Sorry for the confusion.  :oops:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 20, 2012, 03:13:16 PM
Yeah let's face it, Mitchell was just lucky. All he had to do was press a bunch of actuators, a task that requires no skill and takes almost no time. Even if he knew what he was doing, he was just an average skilled player at best. If he had a similar path in a Season 3 temple, he wouldn't make it out with 1:06 left on the clock. I always felt like some of those Season 1 winners (Mitchell, the Silk Ladder kids), would choke in a later season temple. And Mitchell would be no exception to that rule.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 20, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
Yeah let's face it, Mitchell was just lucky. All he had to do was press a bunch of actuators, a task that requires no skill and takes almost no time. Even if he knew what he was doing, he was just an average skilled player at best. If he had a similar path in a Season 3 temple, he wouldn't make it out with 1:06 left on the clock. I always felt like some of those Season 1 winners (Mitchell, the Silk Ladder kids), would choke in a later season temple. And Mitchell would be no exception to that rule.

But at the same time, the contestants from Season One had less of an idea of what the show was about; by Season Three, the show was much more established. Comparing Season One runs to Season Three runs is kind of a low blow, since the layouts, room difficulties and general paths taken were so drastically different. If you were to compare him with a contestant who needed to contend with the Tomb of the Headless Kings, King's Storeroom, Jesters' Court, and Chamber of the Sacred Markers, clearly the difficulty for the latter was increased.

While it is pretty improbable that clearing seven rooms in a Season Three layout would only take 1:15, it is also impossible to directly compare Mitchell's route to a Season Three layout since the access from the Ancient Warriors to the Jesters' Court was cut off.
However, the objectives the Season Three player would have completed would have been the Ledges, Pit of the Pendulum, King's Storeroom, Room of the Ancient Warriors, Jesters' Court, Dark Forest, and Quicksand Bog. The King's Storeroom would have been more time consuming and the Jesters' Court would have required a bit more effort, but for the most part, the difficulty of the rooms would have been just about equivalent.

On the other hand, in comparing Season One contestants to one another, where the contestant pool had the same knowledge about the show and the layouts and room objectives were generally consistent, Mitchell did pretty well. He didn't get turned around or try to backtrack (like so many Season One runners did), and he didn't delay, hesitate, or get tripped up in any rooms (again, unlike most Season One runners). I'm not saying that Mitchell was the very best, but I think that people are too quick to disregard him, when in reality he cleared seven rooms and did so pretty efficiently. He just got lucky with the fact that the difficulty of his path was low (something he didn't necessarily control, but he seemed to know exactly where he wanted to go).
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 12:53:17 AM
It was nice that he finished with over a minute left and everything, but it still didn't impress me. The kid basically walked through the whole temple all the way to the Pirate's Cove. None of the rooms that he entered were time consuming in anyway. Look at other solo runs like "Sultan Saladin" where Leah rarely walked through the temple, but her win ended with less than 30 seconds on the clock. Even Jennifer from "Buddha" had a pretty long route through the temple, and she barely she finished with 10 seconds left. That's because their paths were filled with objectives. But Jennifer did move a little slower than Mitchell though...

I don't know, I feel that people excessively praise Mitchell, particularly on Youtube. Back during the Nick GaS days, everyone use to think this run was top 5 material. I was never impressed at all and I am sure many other slow season one contestants could've won if they took Mitchell's path.

Speaking of overrated players, I feel that Bobby is overrated. I don't see what is so accomplishing about traveling through four rooms with little to no objectives. :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on October 21, 2012, 02:19:19 AM
I dunno, I've never heard anyone say Bobby was a good player.  I suppose part of this is just the fact that these players made it out with more than a minute, which objectively seems like a great job when there's only three minutes to work through that kind of a labyrinth.

I think what makes it really hard to come down on either side as far as Mitchell's run is concerned is figuring out why he opened the treasure chest.  A lot of players either opened it out of instinct or passed it up for one of the actuators, and it's still hard for me to guess if it was instinct or part of a plan.  I'm thinking that either way, there was an alternate path which involved hitting a Temple Guard in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, then possibly having to climb up from the Pirate's Cove, so what kind of a player he was depends on whether or not he expected something like a Temple Guard there.  And based on the video alone and no comment on the strategy before, it's really hard for me to guess either way.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 12:48:22 PM
So what exactly distinguishes an average player from an overrated player? Does it come down to how much praise the contestant gets on Youtube in comparison to how people on this site feel about that contestant?

I wouldn't consider Mitchell's performance one of the best Season One runs, but I would still call it slightly better than average. Even though he may not have had a difficult series of rooms to traverse and may not have been a very fast contestant, at least he knew what he was doing in every room and never got turned around. Most Season One runs didn't accomplish such a feat. That alone puts him just above the norm, in my opinion.   ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 21, 2012, 03:22:48 PM
YouTube is never to be taken seriously. They're the ones who think Bobby "is the best player in the shows history." In fact, I think there's a video somewhere where Shaka Zulu is considered "the best temple in the shows history." Naturally, Mitchell gets just as much praise on YouTube as well. So basically, the likes of Bobby and Mitchell are overrated because people praise them too much. When really, all they had to was press a bunch of actuators. And I highly doubt Mitchell planned any of this. It was just dumb luck that the treasure chest just happened to open the day he tried it. Knowing what you're doing and not getting turned around is not enough to consider Mitchell above average and better than most Season 1 players.

But then again, someone claimed to be Mitchell on YouTube back when ChargerTheWolf still had his videos up. Who knows, maybe someone can get an interview from him and ask him what his real plan was.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
So basically, the likes of Bobby and Mitchell are overrated because people praise them too much. When really, all they had to was press a bunch of actuators. And I highly doubt Mitchell planned any of this. It was just dumb luck that the treasure chest just happened to open the day he tried it. Knowing what you're doing and not getting turned around is not enough to consider Mitchell above average and better than most Season 1 players.

Then what qualities would you give to a Season One contestant for them to be above the norm?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
To me, I don't see how walking through the whole temple with a really easy layout and temple guard placement is considered significant or noteworthy. Any season one contestant who was semi-competent could've done it given Mitchell's layout. Look how slow Jennifer from "Buddha" moved and she still won.

And for the Treasure Chest thing, I thought it was more luck on Mitchell's part rather than strategy. I mean the big Treasure Chest was the main feature of the room after all. Even dumb contestants like Kristen from "Amelia Earhart" and Gabby opened the Treasure Chest up because it was the first thing you see in the room. Even though it was not Mitchell's fault that it worked for him, but look how many times to screwed other teams over in the temple. Although I do think that there was a temple guard in the Shrine. But I don't think Mitchell avoided intentionally with the Treasure Chest.

A good season one team should be one that attempts to move fast at least. They should also be one that does not backtrack just because one door does not open. And they shouldn't be one that gets excessively confused i nthe temple. I will admit that Mitchell was better than more than half of the season one contestants, but that is not say much. And I don't count John, Tia, Kim, Sabrina, and Lisa since they are in a tier of their own.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 10:37:27 PM
What do you guys think about Tony from "The Stone Head of the Evil King"? Do you think he was truly as bad as his performance was in the temple? Or do you think that he was better than that and didn't show his true potential due to the Medusa's Lair problem?

I am kind of filled with mixed emotions regarding Tony. On one hand, I think that he should've performed better in the temple than he really did. I think the Medusa's Lair objective frustrated him so much that he wasn't taking his time putting the snakes into her head. I have a little sympathy for him because four snakes was a bitch to put in, especially when racing against the clock. But then he goes onto punch the King's Storeroom pots like a moron. I am not sure if he did that out of frustration or if he was really incompetent. What do you guys think of Tony?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 21, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
He was incompetent. Next.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
He was incompetent. Next.

Well, that surely is the most likely option. But it baffles me when a team sweeps the temple games, but then goes onto put a piss poor performance in the temple. Like the "Grandy Nanny", "Stone Head", "Oracle Bowl", and "Frederick Douglass" team.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 21, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Oracle Bowl didn't sweep the temple games. They won the temple games 2-1.

As far as Tony in Medusa's Lair goes, I think it was a little of both frustration and incompetence.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 21, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
Well, here's why I call him incompetent. I don't care how hard an objective is, but it should NOT take you more than a minute to complete just one room. Look at how Lost Love Letter's Whitney did with four snakes. She owned it. To top it all off, Tony goes into the Storeroom and punches those pots poorly. Punches like that would send the key flying out of the temple or into a good hiding spot in the room or temple. It might have been out of frustration, but that's not how the Storeroom should be done. Incompetent player in my mind.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
Yeah, the whole taking a over whole a minute to complete a room should never happen while in the temple. But in Tony's case, I feel that putting four snakes into Medusa's Head was a poor design on the producers part. But then again, Whitney from "Captain John Smith" did not have as much trouble as Tony did like you mentioned. But she still took a lot of time in the room though just because it was a pain to get all four of those snakes in there. This is one of those rare instances where I think the producers really overdid it. Its not as bad as other situations like Katie from "Clovis the First" and Kelly from "Montezuma" taking around a minute or more to complete their rooms. There is no excuse on their parts because those rooms were around for a while and no contestant took as long as they did. But the King's Storeroom pot thing does make him look like an idiot. It definitely was not efficient in anyway.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 10:55:43 PM
Well, here's why I call him incompetent. I don't care how hard an objective is, but it should NOT take you more than a minute to complete just one room. Look at how Lost Love Letter's Whitney did with four snakes. She owned it. To top it all off, Tony goes into the Storeroom and punches those pots poorly. Punches like that would send the key flying out of the temple or into a good hiding spot in the room or temple. It might have been out of frustration, but that's not how the Storeroom should be done. Incompetent player in my mind.

I applaud you for finally commenting in this thread in a polite way, and you back up your statement with observations from the show. And what's more, I agree with your criteria.

While I agree with TRJ that the producers kind of overdid it with four snakes, the snakes were placed in the order that they were supposed to be placed in Medusa's head. Tony mixed them all up in his hands, which made it even more difficult to correctly place them. But even so, taking a minute in a room is pretty inexcusable. And another over-one-minute example: Veronica's climbing in the Pit from "Bifocal Monocle" was countered by every other Season Three episode where the team was forced to climb (even Lauren from "Dried Apple Half" got up the wall more quickly!).

I'd also like to point out Tony's sit-down-and-scootch-along-the-floor feet-first approach for moving between the Pit and the Throne Room, as well as Medusa's Lair and the King's Storeroom. I'm pretty sure that technique was less optimal than the typical crawling maneuver most other contestants used.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 21, 2012, 11:00:22 PM
I applaud you for finally commenting in this thread in a polite way, and you back up your statement with observations from the show. And what's more, I agree with your criteria.

Why did you have to go there? Seriously. You're acting like I'm a bad person when I'm not. Don't ever reply to my comments saying they were polite or whatever, because that's going off topic and is borderline trolling, trying to get me to respond the wrong way. Just stop, I don't like it. This is frustrating to me honestly.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
Okay, let's not try to drag ourselves into this argument again. We were doing so good the past couple of pages without the fighting and this topic was made to avoid this. Maybe if you take this to a PM, it might be easier to resolve. ;)

To get back on topic, I have to say that at times that I feel that Lauren from "William Tell" and Dana were justified for screaming at their partners. Brett was just so slow in the temple and Jason was screwing around the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Although, that still doesn't excuse their poor performance for a short time in the temple. I mean come on now, how does it take a whole minute just to the King's Storeroom with all the rooms cleared? I think TMH was right when he said that Lauren "fails as a human being". Dana messed up also, but she had little time anyways whereas Lauren could've tried to add some progress onto her path.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 11:13:54 PM
I applaud you for finally commenting in this thread in a polite way, and you back up your statement with observations from the show. And what's more, I agree with your criteria.

Why did you have to go there? Seriously. You're acting like I'm a bad person when I'm not. Don't ever reply to my comments saying they were polite or whatever, because that's going off topic and is borderline trolling, trying to get me to respond the wrong way. Just stop, I don't like it. This is frustrating to me honestly.

I was not being sarcastic in my statement; I was being wholeheartedly sincere. I was recognizing the fact that that your comment was the first time in this thread where you elaborated more on your opinion. And I was hoping that in stating my appreciation, that it would provoke you to continue to elaborate in even more discussion in the future.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 11:17:19 PM
And before I leave, I want to add one more. I have to say that I have some "sympathy" towards Lisa from "Alhambra". Yes, she screwed up her temple run and didn't make any progress with a lot of time on the clock. But I think the Tomb of the Ancient Kings mishap with the golden doors kind of confused her and messed her up. I mean she made it to the Tomb of the Ancient Kings with about 2:00 minutes on the clock, and she even tries the keypad to the Shrine. So its not like she didn't know that she had to go up. She probably could've reached the Keys if she didn't get confused in that room. Not that it was excusable for backtracking all the way to the Cave, but at least she tried going forward in the temple.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 11:17:53 PM
Okay, let's not try to drag ourselves into this argument again. We were doing so good the past couple of pages without the fighting and this topic was made to avoid this. Maybe if you take this to a PM, it might be easier to resolve. ;)

To get back on topic, I have to say that at times that I feel that Lauren from "William Tell" and Dana were justified for screaming at their partners. Brett was just so slow in the temple and Jason was screwing around the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Although, that still doesn't excuse their poor performance for a short time in the temple. I mean come on now, how does it take a whole minute just to the King's Storeroom with all the rooms cleared? I think TMH was right when he said that Lauren "fails as a human being". Dana messed up also, but she had little time anyways whereas Lauren could've tried to add some progress onto her path.

I must say, though, that a minute to reach the Tomb of the Headless Kings, and then to have to complete that objective, the Jesters' Court, the Dark Forest, and the Shrine of the Silver Monkey (at least) would have been pretty near impossible. I agree that Lauren should have cleared more than two rooms in one minute, but I doubt that any contestant would have gotten anywhere near the Dried Apple Half in the time she had.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 21, 2012, 11:21:58 PM
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 11:26:17 PM
And before I leave, I want to add one more. I have to say that I have some "sympathy" towards Lisa from "Alhambra". Yes, she screwed up her temple run and didn't make any progress with a lot of time on the clock. But I think the Tomb of the Ancient Kings mishap with the golden doors kind of confused her and messed her up. I mean she made it to the Tomb of the Ancient Kings with about 2:00 minutes on the clock, and she even tries the keypad to the Shrine. So its not like she didn't know that she had to go up. She probably could've reached the Keys if she didn't get confused in that room. Not that it was excusable for backtracking all the way to the Cave, but at least she tried going forward in the temple.

I posted a photo somewhere in one of the threads regarding the Tomb of Ancient Kings in this episode. Four of the five golden doors were open before Lisa even entered the room: all three along the back wall and the one that was used to enter the Tomb of Ancient Kings. She did, indeed, try the key on the magnet to gain access to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, so she did have some idea of what to do. I think she just got very confused with the rest of the doors being ajar. I still believe that it was somewhat foolish of her to try to go all the way back to the gate, but she did have better success at the Wall Climb than Tia ("Golden Cricket Cage of Khan"). So all in all, Lisa had some "redeeming" qualities to make her come across as a better contestant than Tia, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 21, 2012, 11:31:52 PM
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.

I honestly don't know why the producers decided to give such grueling paths for that day. The best explanations I can conjure up are:
1. They didn't want to expend too much money on the bigger prizes, so they installed those long, grueling paths to guarantee that only the very best teams got the grand prizes. (Although, in my opinion, the "Discarded Seal" team truly did show one of the best team efforts in the show's history, and they still came shy of reaching the artifact.)
2. They wanted to force the teams to go through every room, so that viewers could see all of the rooms "in action."
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.

I honestly don't know why the producers decided to give such grueling paths for that day. The best explanations I can conjure up are:
1. They didn't want to expend too much money on the bigger prizes, so they installed those long, grueling paths to guarantee that only the very best teams got the grand prizes. (Although, in my opinion, the "Discarded Seal" team truly did show one of the best team efforts in the show's history, and they still came shy of reaching the artifact.)
2. They wanted to force the teams to go through every room, so that viewers could see all of the rooms "in action."

Interesting theory, but I don't think that would've been a reason because it would seem unfair to expect  12 or 13 year old at the end of the day to run enter every room of the most grueling version of the temple in three minutes. But then again, Travis and Elisa almost managed to do it. And I agree, they were one of the best losing teams on the show and one of the best teams period. Travis and Elisa were basically flawless in the temple like swinging back to the platform, trying all available shortcuts, handling the rooms in good time, and running fast on both of their parts in general. I was especially surprised to see Elisa to haul ass all the way where Travis was left off. I didn't think she had it in her! I think Leah and Matthew from "Belle Boyd" was another team that was almost flawless in the temple, except they took longer paths when they didn't needed to.

And yeah, Lisa was definitely better than Tia and probably Kim from "Lost Hammer" too. But that doesn't say much though I guess. :P
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2012, 03:02:43 PM
And here is another set of players that we never really compared or talked about on this forum - Jeremy and Erika from " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" and Shannon and Adam from "The Collar of Davy Crockett"?

Who do you think was more undeserving in their win? 

I mean the ":roll:" train kids were first in every round of the temple and won the temple run altogether, which was only accomplished one other time in "Billy the Kid". Meanwhile, the "Davy Crockett" kids finished fourth in the moat and won only their last temple game before going to the temple.

And the temple run themselves were a little similar. Except Adam and Shannon got stuck with one extra room on their layout, and they had to encounter a couple of more room objectives like the Treasury of the Golden Orbs and Observatory. Not to mention, the Room of Fallen Columns was more difficult to navigate through compared to the Heart Room.

Both layouts were simple, yet the teams still finished with less than 30 seconds on the clock. Both the girls in the temple were fast for the most part, but Jeremy and Adam were so slow. I say Adam was a little slower than Jeremy though because he made no attempt to speed up at all, even when grabbing the Raccoon Collar. Meanwhile, Jeremy at least sped up after picking up the Silk Ladder at least. But then again, he slowed at the bottom of the steps for that stupid celebration.

Here is my opinion:

If we are talking about the temple run alone, I think " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" was more undeserving because they hard a more simpler layout than the "Davy Crockett" kids and still took a long time to get the Silk Ladder out. But if we are taking the whole episode into perspective, then I would say that the "Davy Crockett" kids were more undeserving because they barely scraped by the whole episode. But really, both wins were unimpressive.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 22, 2012, 03:08:26 PM
Well, I wouldn't have expected her to make it to the Dark Forest either. Completing the Headless Kings objective would've done something at least. But the path was so tough anyways. Same for the other paths that day like "Ivan the Terrible" and "Hans Holbein". I wonder what the producers were thinking? Although Elisa and Travis showed that a good team effort could almost win it all even with a tough layout.

I honestly don't know why the producers decided to give such grueling paths for that day. The best explanations I can conjure up are:
1. They didn't want to expend too much money on the bigger prizes, so they installed those long, grueling paths to guarantee that only the very best teams got the grand prizes. (Although, in my opinion, the "Discarded Seal" team truly did show one of the best team efforts in the show's history, and they still came shy of reaching the artifact.)
2. They wanted to force the teams to go through every room, so that viewers could see all of the rooms "in action."

Interesting theory, but I don't think that would've been a reason because it would seem unfair to expect  12 or 13 year old at the end of the day to run enter every room of the most grueling version of the temple in three minutes. But then again, Travis and Elisa almost managed to do it. And I agree, they were one of the best losing teams on the show and one of the best teams period. Travis and Elisa were basically flawless in the temple like swinging back to the platform, trying all available shortcuts, handling the rooms in good time, and running fast on both of their parts in general. I was especially surprised to see Elisa to haul ass all the way where Travis was left off. I didn't think she had it in her! I think Leah and Matthew from "Belle Boyd" was another team that was almost flawless in the temple, except they took longer paths when they didn't needed to.

And yeah, Lisa was definitely better than Tia and probably Kim from "Lost Hammer" too. But that doesn't say much though I guess. :P

The only things that really went "wrong" during the "Discarded Seal" run was that Travis kept trying to find the key in the Dark Forest, and then Elisa got delayed by the guard in the Ancient Warriors. Neither of those aspects were egregious, either, in my opinion. The Dark Forest could have led to using the Dark Forest/Shrine ladder. And the guard in the Ancient Warriors very easily could have been in one of the other armors as well (it just happened to be bad luck that Elisa went for that armor first).

And to go back to an earlier comment about the genuineness of the Season Three contestants: Do people feel that Elisa was being sincerely emotional/excited like Missy, or more phony and put-on like Kate? Do you feel that this genuineness, or lack thereof, was caused by the editing of the episode? Lastly, does your opinion have to do with the episode as a whole, or just particular parts of the episode?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2012, 03:19:51 PM
Yeah, I think Elisa would've been able to at least reach the Discarded Seal if it wasn't for that temple guard in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Notice that she could've avoided that guard altogether because it was not the one that opened up King's Storeroom. But at the end of the day, it was such a brutal and unfair layout that those two got shafted. But at the same time, I guess that's what makes that run so exciting.  :mrgreen:

As for Elisa, I felt that her enthusiasm was enthusiastic. She reminded me of Andrea from "Chandragupta" where she was loud, but not going over-the-top. Kate and Lacey felt more staged because they were making gestures and poses in front of the camera it seemed like. And just watch Kate when Olmec is talking to them before the beginning of the temple run. It seems like she wasn't trying to be serious. Although her gestures do kind of crack me up, like the one that she makes to Larry at the end of the temple run. But at least Elisa could "contain" herself compared to Kate and Lacey.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 22, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
I don't recall any instance where Travis "kept trying to find the key in the Dark Forest." He only reached through each tree once. I don't blame him for reaching into each tree, especially with a layout like that.

As for players that kept reaching into the trees, Jonathan from the Battle Flag run is guilty of this. Iirc, he reached into each tree three times. That was a big waste of time.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 22, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
And here is another set of players that we never really compared or talked about on this forum - Jeremy and Erika from " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" and Shannon and Adam from "The Collar of Davy Crockett"?

Who do you think was more undeserving in their win? 

I mean the ":roll:" train kids were first in every round of the temple and won the temple run altogether, which was only accomplished one other time in "Billy the Kid". Meanwhile, the "Davy Crockett" kids finished fourth in the moat and won only their last temple game before going to the temple.

And the temple run themselves were a little similar. Except Adam and Shannon got stuck with one extra room on their layout, and they had to encounter a couple of more room objectives like the Treasury of the Golden Orbs and Observatory. Not to mention, the Room of Fallen Columns was more difficult to navigate through compared to the Heart Room.

Both layouts were simple, yet the teams still finished with less than 30 seconds on the clock. Both the girls in the temple were fast for the most part, but Jeremy and Adam were so slow. I say Adam was a little slower than Jeremy though because he made no attempt to speed up at all, even when grabbing the Raccoon Collar. Meanwhile, Jeremy at least sped up after picking up the Silk Ladder at least. But then again, he slowed at the bottom of the steps for that stupid celebration.

Here is my opinion:

If we are talking about the temple run alone, I think " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" was more undeserving because they hard a more simpler layout than the "Davy Crockett" kids and still took a long time to get the Silk Ladder out. But if we are taking the whole episode into perspective, then I would say that the "Davy Crockett" kids were more undeserving because they barely scraped by the whole episode. But really, both wins were unimpressive.

The two episodes are, indeed, very similar. The Silk Ladder kids finished first in the Moat and Steps of Knowledge. The Davy Crockett kids came in a very close second in the Moat and first in the Steps of Knowledge. And even though the Silk Ladder kids won 2 pendants, while the Davy Crockett kids only 1 pendant, all of the games from both episodes were very close (it very easily could have been a 2 pendant win for the Red Jaguars in the Davy Crockett episode).

The Silk Ladder team cleared six rooms before entering the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Erika was able to complete four rooms and enter her fifth in 52 seconds. Jeremy took 50 seconds to reach where Erika was taken out of the temple. Then he cleared two rooms, and then took 29 seconds to escape. They had 0:33 left on the clock.

The Davy Crockett team also cleared six rooms before entering the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Shannon cleared five rooms in 1:10, and then Adam took 1:01 to reach where Shannon was taken out. He cleared one room, and then took 27 seconds to exit the temple. They had 0:05 left on the clock.

What is interesting to note is that both boys took nearly as long as their partners did to reach where their partners were taken out, even though they did not have to complete the objectives. Also, they both were smart to not traverse back down the whole central shaft in their escapes.

Still, I'll have to say that the Silk Ladder team was better. They had a better overall performance throughout their episode as a whole, and they had better statistics for their temple run. Even though the Fallen Columns was slightly more time consuming than the Heart Room and the Treasury of Golden Orbs was slightly more time consuming than the Treasure Room, the Observatory took less time than the Gargoyle Room/Room of the Royal Gongs. Altogether, I don't believe that the final time disparity should have been as large as 28 seconds if these two teams were equally skilled.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2012, 08:14:10 PM
I don't know, I don't think I will hold the detail about the contestant taking a little extra time to find the Dark Forest key against them. I am sure it wasn't as simple as reaching your hand in there to find the key. They probably had to feel around for a little bit in order to find it. I definitely don't remember Travis taking too much time in there. I do recall Jonathan from "William the Conqueror" spending a little too much time in there, but it wasn't tbat detrimental to his run. Its not like they wasted so much time in there like Casey from "Snow Cone" or Jared from "Imperial Wizard".

And yeah, as an episode as a whole, I say the " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" performance was more deserving than the "Davy Crockett" one. Although both temple wins are pathetic, I still prefer "Davy Crockett" over our favorite " :roll:" train temple win. But really, both teams shouldn't have taken that much time in the temple. Especially the "Davy Crockett" team, but I blame that on Adam since as you pointed it out, he took his sweet old time to get where Shannon was left off.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
I made an observation just now that I don't think has been brought up at all on this whole site:  The paths for "Enormous Feather" and "Discarded Seal" were identical, except the "Discarded Seal" team had to additionally complete the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. As slow as Karisa was in the temple, she still managed to reach the artifact in her run. The "Discarded Seal" kids had a virtually flawless performance and have been called one of the best teams to have ever gotten to the temple, yet did not even reach the artifact.

What do you think caused this discrepancy? Did adding on the one extra room devastate the chance for Travis and Elisa to reach the Discarded Seal? Where would David and Karisa have finished if they had to have completed the additional room from the other run?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 23, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
If David and Karisa had Travis and Elisa's layout, Karisa probably wouldn't even reach the Feather. It probably would have been another "Pytheas" layout. David goes first, encounters first guard early, and then the second guard in the Shrine. Karisa goes in, moves oh so slow, eventually gets caught by the third guard in the Room of the Ancient Warriors, and runs out of time there. The only difference in Pytheas is that there was no third guard in the Ancient Warriors, but you get the idea. Although with one pendant, it could have been a triple capture with very little time remaining.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 23, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
The second encountered guard in the Discarded Seal run was in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, 8 rooms into the run and the 9th room (Ancient Warriors) had the final temple guard. In this run, the team was given just one shortcut: Bog-Shrine. They were never given access to the Tomb of the Headless Kings from the Pit, just the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. Travis and Elise were almost virtually perfect in this run, but due to how many rooms they had to enter and the layout of the temple guards, victory was virtually impossible. Getting to the Seal would've been a victory in its own way, but because of the two problems mentioned in the last sentence, they weren't able to reach it. This was not the team's fault, blame the overall layout.

The second encountered guard in the Enormous Feather run was in the Dark Forest. This was the 5th room into the run. We're not entirely sure where the third guard was in that run, but we're thinking it was the Ledges, making it a run that had the potential to end quickly in capture. So only two temple guards were encountered and not three like with the former run. That means less time was spent dealing with temple guards. In this run, the team didn't have to deal with the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, so the shortcut to the Tomb was there for them. They also had access to the Shrine from the Quicksand Bog. This is one less room David and Karissa had to deal with, so not only was getting to the Feather a possibility, but a potential win was there too. David moved pretty quickly and knew what to do in the temple. He got taken out of the temple in the Dark Forest in just one minute. I say that's quick. Karissa on the other hand, she was way too slow and hesitant. Just watch the run again and you'll know what I mean. It's like she didn't even want to try! :roll:

So there you go. There's the discrepancy in both runs. The Discarded Seal team had an almost virtually perfect run, but the layout was way too brutal to even get to the Seal. The Enormous Feather run had a winning layout, but Karissa messed everything up. I hope this helped clear any confusion between the two runs.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 23, 2012, 04:30:50 PM
Yeah, a lot of season three layouts were quite similar in temple layouts like William the Conqueror/Apanuugpak or Sir Gawain/Sojourner Truth for example. In regards to Ivan the Terrible/Enormous Feather, they do indeed share a similar layout. But sometimes you have look past the layout and take into other considerations like temple guard layout and room objectives when comparing runs. Travis and Elisa had to complete the Chamber enroute to the artifact, which was a very time consuming room for season three. Meanwhile, David could simply jump off the Pendulum and head right into the Tomb of the Headless Kings. Also, Travis was taken out in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey while David was taken out in the Quicksand Bog. That was two additional rooms that Elisa had to cover which included a trek down from the Chamber. The "Enormous Feather" team had it more easy for them and they still failed pretty bad, mostly due to Karissa. The "Ivan the Terrible" layout was just plain brutal.

Which is why I don't really compare the "Sir Gawain" and "Sojourner Truth" temple runs too much. In the first one, Tiffani takes the most direct path to the artifact and she still doesn't encounter  a single guard. Eddie and Tess took the exact same path, except they encountered all three guards. Encountering additional temple guards can make or break it for a team. As nice of an effort it was by Tiffani to win in her run, do you think she would've won given the "Sojourner Truth" teams path? Especially with her slow speed?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 05:18:07 PM
Which is why I don't really compare the "Sir Gawain" and "Sojourner Truth" temple runs too much. In the first one, Tiffani takes the most direct path to the artifact and she still doesn't encounter  a single guard. Eddie and Tess took the exact same path, except they encountered all three guards. Encountering additional temple guards can make or break it for a team. As nice of an effort it was by Tiffani to win in her run, do you think she would've won given the "Sojourner Truth" teams path? Especially with her slow speed?

It's really hard to say what would have happened if the "Sir Gawain" kids had the "Sojourner Truth" layout. The main factor in my saying this is the fact that we only saw Tiffani perform in the temple; her partner was not forced to enter in their episode, but would have had to go into the temple in the "Sojourner Truth" episode. He may have been as "great" as Zac Turney or as "bad" as Tia; the fact of the matter is that we don't know. Given this piece of information, it might be easier to say, but since we don't know how he would have performed, it would be nearly impossible to predict this hypothetical scenario with any certainty.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 05:34:43 PM
The second encountered guard in the Discarded Seal run was in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, 8 rooms into the run and the 9th room (Ancient Warriors) had the final temple guard. In this run, the team was given just one shortcut: Bog-Shrine. They were never given access to the Tomb of the Headless Kings from the Pit, just the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. Travis and Elise were almost virtually perfect in this run, but due to how many rooms they had to enter and the layout of the temple guards, victory was virtually impossible. Getting to the Seal would've been a victory in its own way, but because of the two problems mentioned in the last sentence, they weren't able to reach it. This was not the team's fault, blame the overall layout.

The second encountered guard in the Enormous Feather run was in the Dark Forest. This was the 5th room into the run. We're not entirely sure where the third guard was in that run, but we're thinking it was the Ledges, making it a run that had the potential to end quickly in capture. So only two temple guards were encountered and not three like with the former run. That means less time was spent dealing with temple guards. In this run, the team didn't have to deal with the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, so the shortcut to the Tomb was there for them. They also had access to the Shrine from the Quicksand Bog. This is one less room David and Karissa had to deal with, so not only was getting to the Feather a possibility, but a potential win was there too. David moved pretty quickly and knew what to do in the temple. He got taken out of the temple in the Dark Forest in just one minute. I say that's quick. Karissa on the other hand, she was way too slow and hesitant. Just watch the run again and you'll know what I mean. It's like she didn't even want to try! :roll:

So there you go. There's the discrepancy in both runs. The Discarded Seal team had an almost virtually perfect run, but the layout was way too brutal to even get to the Seal. The Enormous Feather run had a winning layout, but Karissa messed everything up. I hope this helped clear any confusion between the two runs.

I just want to clarify: So essentially the addition of the Chamber of the Sacred Markers and the temple guard in the Room of the Ancient Warriors was the major deciding factor between the two runs?

And a question for everyone: Do you think the "Enormous Feather" team would have been as successful/less successful/more successful if they had been in the "Discarded Seal" run (and 2 pendants)?  Here is something to consider in your judgment: David would have made it to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey before getting taken out of the temple, so Karisa would have already had the Quicksand Bog cleared for her, and she only would have had to have completed the Shrine of the Silver Monkey and the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Another thing to consider is that Karisa did try all three armors (which Elisa would have had to have done also to activate the door in the Room of the Ancient Warriors), so that time discrepancy is already accounted for.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 23, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
Of course YOU would question what I said. :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 07:38:02 PM
Of course YOU would question what I said. :roll:

You gave a number of points, and I just want to make sure I understood you correctly. As a visual person, I like to be able to see what people are describing, and since you gave a lot of information, I wanted to make sure I got everything right. I don't want to put words in your mouth, nor do I want to misconstrue what you say and misunderstand you. I wasn't being derogatory or condescending, so there is no need to get defensive or be hostile.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 23, 2012, 08:01:05 PM
Which is why I don't really compare the "Sir Gawain" and "Sojourner Truth" temple runs too much. In the first one, Tiffani takes the most direct path to the artifact and she still doesn't encounter  a single guard. Eddie and Tess took the exact same path, except they encountered all three guards. Encountering additional temple guards can make or break it for a team. As nice of an effort it was by Tiffani to win in her run, do you think she would've won given the "Sojourner Truth" teams path? Especially with her slow speed?

It's really hard to say what would have happened if the "Sir Gawain" kids had the "Sojourner Truth" layout. The main factor in my saying this is the fact that we only saw Tiffani perform in the temple; her partner was not forced to enter in their episode, but would have had to go into the temple in the "Sojourner Truth" episode. He may have been as "great" as Zac Turney or as "bad" as Tia; the fact of the matter is that we don't know. Given this piece of information, it might be easier to say, but since we don't know how he would have performed, it would be nearly impossible to predict this hypothetical scenario with any certainty.

Jahmel did win his individual temple game and he pretty much led his team to the temple, so I would assume that he would be decent at least in the temple. But Tiffani was kind of slower than the average contestant, so it would probably be a closer win than what it originally was if they had the "Sojourner Truth" path.

And I don't think that the "Enormous Feather" team would've even had close to the same success as Travis and Elisa for the "Ivan the Terrible" layout. David was fast in the temple, but I don't think he would've really outdone Travis's performance in the temple. That additional Chamber objective for the "Ivan the Terrible" team is like an additional 20 seconds right there off the run. Plus, Karissa was so painfully slow that I would be astonished if she even completed an upper floor room t her speed. It wasn't just the Quicksand Bog she got lost in.

And I just want to point that even if David and Karisa had one pendant for the "Ivan the Terrible" layout, it didn't mean that the run would end in triple capture. The armor that opened the King's Storeroom door was not the same one with the temple guard in it. So that temple guard was technically avoidable. This also happened to Andrea in her temple run too. ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 23, 2012, 08:10:28 PM
And here is sort of a different question. What are some runs that would have a different outcome if the second player actually went in first?

The first one that comes to mind is "The Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard". In that run, Jared moved at about an average pace, but he also made the blunder of entering the Dark Forest and wasted time there when all he had to do was plow through the wall. And then when Katie enters the temple, she hauls ass all the way to where Jared left off. Except she actually enters the Quicksand Bog from the Shrine, a place where Jared missed. My question is, do you think that this temple run would've been a win if Katie went in first? I mean her speed to where Jared was taken out was incredible. If she went in first, she might've even cleared the rooms faster than he did. And when she is taken out in the Quicksand Bog, then all that Jared would have to do was simply follow her steps, and he should have enough time to reach the Mystical Spellbook and bring it out. It was a tough layout, but this team really should've won.  :?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 23, 2012, 09:23:15 PM
Just an FYI, (since I don't feel like quoting), David was taken out in the Dark Forest, NOT the Quicksand Bog. And David and Karisa had the "Enormous Feather" layout, not the "Discarded Seal" layout. Just saying.

As for the Mystical Spellbook run, Katie definitely should have gone in first. She was way faster than Jared and she would have been impressive in the temple. Also, notice how the Chamber door opened during the run? That had to have been where the other guard was. And if Katie had encountered that guard and got taken out in the Ancient Warriors, Jared would have gone in and.... who knows what would have happened?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 23, 2012, 09:57:57 PM
Just an FYI, (since I don't feel like quoting), David was taken out in the Dark Forest, NOT the Quicksand Bog. And David and Karisa had the "Enormous Feather" layout, not the "Discarded Seal" layout. Just saying.

As for the Mystical Spellbook run, Katie definitely should have gone in first. She was way faster than Jared and she would have been impressive in the temple. Also, notice how the Chamber door opened during the run? That had to have been where the other guard was. And if Katie had encountered that guard and got taken out in the Ancient Warriors, Jared would have gone in and.... who knows what would have happened?

Oops, I was probably the one that said that David was taken out in the Quicksand Bog. I guess Karisa's stupidity there blanked my memory about the run before she entered. :P And we were comparing the "Me Linh" run to the "Ivan the Terrible" run, so I don't think anyone said that Karisa and David had the "Ivan the Terrible" layout.  ;) :P

And I agree, the team wouldn't have won if Katie was taken out early in the Chamber. But assuming she continued on Jared's path, she would've been taken out in the Quicksand Bog with over a minute left on the clock. That should've been enough time for Jared to reach the Mystical Spellbook and bring it out. Or if Jared was taken out in the Chamber first, then Katie may have had enough time to bring the artifact out for the win. At least Jared was competent for the most part though. Its not like he was like Lissy or Janeen who would've had no chance in winning if Nate and Jay went in first for their run.

Here's another run no one really talks about - "The Helmet of Joan of Arc". In this run, the team made it pretty far with a lengthy layout. But what hurt them was that Mandy found the key in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings but did not use it. Instead, she used the slow Well bucket. Plus, she was kind of slow. My thoughts would be that if Mandy went in first and Eddie went in second, then I think this team would've won. Mandy would've been taken out in the Room of Harmonic Convergence and Eddie was fast and hopefully would've taken the Tomb-Shrine shortcut.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 23, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Not to mention, "The Oracle Bowl of Delphi" had nearly the same path and outcome. Fast player goes first, gets taken out early, slow player goes in second, and loses. Had it been reserve order of players, the respective teams would have reached the artifact. Maybe even brought it out too.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Just an FYI, (since I don't feel like quoting), David was taken out in the Dark Forest, NOT the Quicksand Bog. And David and Karisa had the "Enormous Feather" layout, not the "Discarded Seal" layout. Just saying.

I was proposing a hypothetical situation, asking what might have happened if David and Karisa had to take on the "Discarded Seal" path instead of their own. Just saying.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
Here's another run no one really talks about - "The Helmet of Joan of Arc". In this run, the team made it pretty far with a lengthy layout. But what hurt them was that Mandy found the key in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings but did not use it. Instead, she used the slow Well bucket. Plus, she was kind of slow. My thoughts would be that if Mandy went in first and Eddie went in second, then I think this team would've won. Mandy would've been taken out in the Room of Harmonic Convergence and Eddie was fast and hopefully would've taken the Tomb-Shrine shortcut.

Speaking of episodes where the team had to retrieve an artifact from the Center of the Rooms, the only times that the artifact ever was reached (and sometime brought out of the temple) was when the team followed the bottom floor up and around to the room. There wasn't a single team that successfully reached the artifact when they were forced up to the Observatory, then down and around to the bottom floor, and then back up.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 23, 2012, 11:35:34 PM
And here is sort of a different question. What are some runs that would have a different outcome if the second player actually went in first?

I feel like every run would have been different if the players switched positions. The outcome may not have been drastically different, but I think that there would have been something in every run that would have played out differently (even if that meant just a small change in the time a room was completed or how much time was left on the clock). And plus, if the order of the runners had been switched, we would have missed out on a lot of memorable moments. It would have been impossible for Renee to miss the half pendant if she were the frontrunner, Ryann would not have been able to be taken out in the Crypt, and Nick would not have ended up jumping out of the temple (well, hopefully not... if he did jump out from the Heart room, it would have been much more hazardous to his health).
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 24, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
Not to mention, "The Oracle Bowl of Delphi" had nearly the same path and outcome. Fast player goes first, gets taken out early, slow player goes in second, and loses. Had it been reserve order of players, the respective teams would have reached the artifact. Maybe even brought it out too.

Compared to Jackie though, Mandy looks like Jarrid and Jessica. Seriously, Jackie was way more pathetic than Mandy was. She took forever to get out of the Cave of Sighs and she slowly trots along the bottom floor of the temple. Even if Jackie were to go in first and get taken out in the Swamp, I don't know if Shane would even have enough time to reach the Oracle Bowl. But yeah, both teams had a very similar layout with both second runner girls taking the long route without trying the shortcuts. I have to say that it is hard determining who is the worst Purple Parrot player... Jackie or Claude? They were both so awful, I don't know where to begin!  :shock:

And here is sort of a different question. What are some runs that would have a different outcome if the second player actually went in first?

I feel like every run would have been different if the players switched positions. The outcome may not have been drastically different, but I think that there would have been something in every run that would have played out differently (even if that meant just a small change in the time a room was completed or how much time was left on the clock). And plus, if the order of the runners had been switched, we would have missed out on a lot of memorable moments. It would have been impossible for Renee to miss the half pendant if she were the frontrunner, Ryann would not have been able to be taken out in the Crypt, and Nick would not have ended up jumping out of the temple (well, hopefully not... if he did jump out from the Heart room, it would have been much more hazardous to his health).

Yeah, every run could be dramatically different if the other player entered first. But in the cases you listed above, those outcomes could've been easily avoided if the players made wiser choices. Like Ryann not running into the Crypt and instead following Chris's path could've resulted in a win. I mean we don't know her true potential because we only see her for four seconds running up a staircase. Same with Renee, she wasn't that bad aside from missing the obvious half-pendant or plowing through the wall. And Nick didn't really do anything wrong. I think jumping out of the temple was an honest mistake and even if he had a full pendant, I am sure the producers would've just edited it out and gave him a second chance. ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 24, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple.  :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 02:18:36 PM
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple.  :roll:

There was another episode (I believe it was during Season Two) where the contestant also had trouble finding the actuator. I don't recall the name of the episode off the top of my head, but I am certain that it occurred. The swung across the Pit and tried to physically push open the door to the Observatory. The contestant quickly caught his/her mistake and went for the actuator, before Kirk needed to announce "Hit the button!" But it happened nonetheless.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 24, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
Yeah, but they weren't nearly as bad as Kim. I always thought when the producers showed the kids the temple, the Wall Climb doors were opened instead of closed. That's how we see the doors in the background during the temple games. And when Kim finally got to the temple, she was confused when the doors were closed. Even then, that doesn't excuse her incompetence, and she should have known how to use an actuator. I know this was early on in the shows run, but still.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 24, 2012, 02:51:52 PM
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple.  :roll:

There was another episode (I believe it was during Season Two) where the contestant also had trouble finding the actuator. I don't recall the name of the episode off the top of my head, but I am certain that it occurred. The swung across the Pit and tried to physically push open the door to the Observatory. The contestant quickly caught his/her mistake and went for the actuator, before Kirk needed to announce "Hit the button!" But it happened nonetheless.

John Henry's Lost Hammer from season 1. The player was Kim.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 03:57:06 PM
And I have to ask this question... what was Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer" deal in the temple? I mean really, how do you not know what an actuator is? Could the giant button next to the door have not been anymore obvious? Even John from "Cricket Cage" and Lisa didn't have problems with pushing an actuator. She must've been REALLY inattentive when the producers were giving the Silver Snakes a rundown of the temple.  :roll:

There was another episode (I believe it was during Season Two) where the contestant also had trouble finding the actuator. I don't recall the name of the episode off the top of my head, but I am certain that it occurred. They swung across the Pit and tried to physically push open the door to the Observatory. The contestant quickly caught his/her mistake and went for the actuator, before Kirk needed to announce "Hit the button!" But it happened nonetheless.

John Henry's Lost Hammer from season 1. The player was Kim.

I understand that it happened to Kim from "John Henry's Lost Hammer." I've seen that run before a number of times and remember it clearly. But as I've already stated, I recall that there was a second episode (in addition to Kim's episode) where the same thing occurred, and I believe it was from a Season Two layout that featured the contestants swinging across the Pit. The blunder was not as prolonged or egregious as Kim's mishap, though, and Kirk did not make a big deal of it like he did during Kim's run. Although I cannot put a name to the contestant or episode off the top of my head, it definitely occurred.


Yeah, but they weren't nearly as bad as Kim. I always thought when the producers showed the kids the temple, the Wall Climb doors were opened instead of closed. That's how we see the doors in the background during the temple games. And when Kim finally got to the temple, she was confused when the doors were closed. Even then, that doesn't excuse her incompetence, and she should have known how to use an actuator. I know this was early on in the shows run, but still.

That's an interesting thought, and it makes sense. But then why was Lisa ("Keys to the Alhambra") confused when the door to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey was already opened from the Tomb of Ancient Kings? If she had been shown the temple with all of the doors unlocked, it would seem that she would just go through the open door... not push the door flap ajar more, look up, try the key on the already unlocked door, look up again, and then retreat in the other direction.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 24, 2012, 04:24:12 PM
Kelly from "The Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid" tried to pry the door open with her hands at first, but then quickly went for the buttons.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 24, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
Yeah, Kelly from "Billy the Kid" sounds like the one that tried prying the door open before hitting the actuator. And I think Becca from "Genghis Khan" also tried doing the same thing, but I am not sure of this. But none of them compared to Kim. She wasted a good chunk of her temple run screwing around in the Wall Climb. It was so bad that even the audience was shouting at her to "Press the button!". And if that is bad enough, she got confused in the Heart Room also. And notice how that temple guard in the Heart Room abruptly comes out of the temple guard door, snatches Kim's pendant, and leaves right away. Mercy guard, anyone?  :shock:

And as for the Lisa thing, I can't really blame her for getting confused even if the producers showed the contestants how each rooms worked. We know for a fact they did because both Jennifer from "Galileo's Cannonball" and Nick from "Great Seal" mention this in their interviews. And like I mentioned earlier, Lisa did try using the key in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, but the door was already open prior to her entering the room. We don't even hear a sound either when she places the key to the Shrine door. I am sure if the golden door to the Shrine opened after she placed the key on the key panel then she wouldn't have backtracked all the way to the Wall Climb.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 05:13:14 PM
And as for the Lisa thing, I can't really blame her for getting confused even if the producers showed the contestants how each rooms worked. We know for a fact they did because both Jennifer from "Galileo's Cannonball" and Nick from "Great Seal" mention this in their interviews. And like I mentioned earlier, Lisa did try using the key in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, but the door was already open prior to her entering the room. We don't even hear a sound either when she places the key to the Shrine door. I am sure if the golden door to the Shrine opened after she placed the key on the key panel then she wouldn't have backtracked all the way to the Wall Climb.

Right. But what I'm saying is, if they were shown the temple with the doors open, then wouldn't Lisa have thought to just go up the ladder to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, since the door was already opened?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 05:18:15 PM
Kelly from "The Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid" tried to pry the door open with her hands at first, but then quickly went for the buttons.

That sounds like the episode I was trying to remember.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 24, 2012, 08:33:56 PM
And I think Becca from "Genghis Khan" also tried doing the same thing, but I am not sure of this. But none of them compared to Kim. She wasted a good chunk of her temple run screwing around in the Wall Climb. It was so bad that even the audience was shouting at her to "Press the button!". And if that is bad enough, she got confused in the Heart Room also. And notice how that temple guard in the Heart Room abruptly comes out of the temple guard door, snatches Kim's pendant, and leaves right away. Mercy guard, anyone?  :shock:
With Becca, I think she was just trying to shove the door open, since it didn't open up all the way. I believe Mitchell tried to do that very same thing. As for Kim, I always thought it was Billy who was shouting "Hit the button!" It sounded exactly like him. And I definitely agree that the Heart Room temple guard was delayed due to it being a mercy kill.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 24, 2012, 08:44:12 PM
And I think Becca from "Genghis Khan" also tried doing the same thing, but I am not sure of this. But none of them compared to Kim. She wasted a good chunk of her temple run screwing around in the Wall Climb. It was so bad that even the audience was shouting at her to "Press the button!". And if that is bad enough, she got confused in the Heart Room also. And notice how that temple guard in the Heart Room abruptly comes out of the temple guard door, snatches Kim's pendant, and leaves right away. Mercy guard, anyone?  :shock:
With Becca, I think she was just trying to shove the door open, since it didn't open up all the way. I believe Mitchell tried to do that very same thing. As for Kim, I always thought it was Billy who was shouting "Hit the button!" It sounded exactly like him. And I definitely agree that the Heart Room temple guard was delayed due to it being a mercy kill.

Mitchell hit the actuator, but then had trouble getting the unlocked door to move aside.

I believe both Billy and Kirk were yelling at Kim to hit the button. It was probably a mercy guard.

I feel like the guard coming out to get Kelly from "Snakeskin Boots" in the Laser Light Room was another mercy guard.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 24, 2012, 08:47:48 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant. They were just trying to move the door aside. As for Kelly's guard, I don't think the Laser Light Room guard was a mercy kill. I think it was just a delayed guard. Not like the third guard in "Kamehameha," but kind of like the guard was about to miss his cue.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 24, 2012, 11:58:05 PM
I definitely don't see how Kelly's guard was a mercy guard. I mean she was slow, but she was no where near Kim's level of suckiness. Just look at how long it takes for the Heart Room guard to come out in Kim's temple run, and look how quick he leaves too. I like how TMH describes the Heart Room temple guard capture as, "Me thinks it was the producers way to end this pathetic attempt".  :lol:

One of the most unusual temple run performance on the show was Kristen from "The Priceless Portrait of the Polynesian Girl". I am not sure if one should consider a top contestant or bottom contestant of season two. On one hand, she was slow and hesitated too much. Plus, she was sloppy with the monkey in the Shrine and looked lost in the King's Storeroom. On the other hand though, she blazed on the bottom floor and almost brought the Priceless Portrait out. But her temple performance was exciting, so I can overlook those little slip-ups since she was the first to reach a bottom of the central shaft artifact. Although I wonder why she went back for the half-pendant? If you watch the episode, you can tell it is dubbed over during that point in the run. I am sure Kirk originally told her that she missed the half-pendant.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 25, 2012, 01:55:33 PM
Well, Season 2 had a lot of voiceovers, so that kind of thing wasn't that uncommon. But yeah, Kirk probably told Kristen originally that she had indeed passed up the half pendant, hence why Kristen backtracked. It's a good thing she went back for it, otherwise we would have had another "Golden Ship" on our hands. As for how Kristen did as a contestant in general, I'd say she's middle of the pack. She wasn't terrible, but she wasn't amazing either.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 26, 2012, 02:00:51 PM
Since both players had similar temple performances, who do you think was the better player - Nate or Jay?

At one time, I use to think that Nate's performance was a little better than Jay. After all, he had a longer path to traverse compared to Jay. But after watching both runs back-to-back, I have to say that I think Jay was slightly better than Nate. I mean both players did a good job picking up their runners slack, but Jay really was on fire after Janeen was taken out. He had only less than 1:30 seconds to himself from when Janeen was taken out in the Shrine, and he picked up her slack a little better better than Nate. Nate seemed to hesitate in a couple of rooms of the temple, plus he had a little bad luck with some rooms like the King's Storeroom and Room of the Ancient Warriors. But Jay had bad luck in the Jester's Court too when the middle painting should've worked the first time. If it did work, no doubt that this would've been a bottom of the central shaft victory.

Both contestants were great, but I think Jay's performance was slightly better. Jay would've had a better chance of winning than Nate IMO, but that wasn't really either player's fault. They were both great at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 26, 2012, 02:19:02 PM
Yeah, Jay's performance was better, for all the same reasons you stated. Nate was good too, and he was actually further along in scoring a victory than Jay was. Then again, Nate had more time on the clock than Jay did. But, it wasn't like it was either players fault. It was their partners that slowed the run down.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 27, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
If that error didn't occur in the Jester's Court for Jay, then he should've grabbed the Good-Luck Watch with about 25 seconds and that should've been enough time for an "Emiliano Zapata" or "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress" type of win. But yeah, it was truly both partner's fault for them losing. Janeen being the most guilty of the two.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 27, 2012, 12:16:53 PM
I wouldn't blame Jay for the issues in the Jesters' Court. Seemed like a production error to me.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 27, 2012, 12:23:13 PM
Plenty of contestants had trouble triggering the paintings in the Jesters' Court; he wasn't the only one to try the correct painting and then have to return to it and try it again. I think that either the buttons were temperamental, or it was just difficult to physically press in all three buttons at once (as in, the contestants thought they had hit all of the buttons simultaneously, but actually only applied enough pressure/force on two of the buttons to trigger them at the same time).
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 27, 2012, 01:14:45 PM
I wouldn't blame Jay for the issues in the Jesters' Court. Seemed like a production error to me.

Oh, I definitely don't hold that against him. To me, it looked like he aligned his body just fine. I am not sure what happened the first time while he did it. I blame this loss entirely on Janeen.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 28, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
Who do you guys think is better Tiffani or Tarrah?

Both contestants had a lot in common. Both were parts of solo wins, both were slower than usual in the temple, and both had struggles getting their artifacts out of the temple.

To me, it seems like Tiffani is more of a favorite among Legends fans. I like both of them a lot, but I still think Tarrah is the better contestant. Compared to Tiffani, she moved at a slightly faster pace and the only time she had problems was when she was in rooms where her short height gave her problems. Other than that, Tarrah made it to the Observatory with over 30 seconds left. The main reason I am picking her is that she took a nasty fall in the Pit AND still recovered from it and bring it back to the temple gates. Plus, her ending was more of a nail biter than Tiffani's.

Tiffani was solid too though. I mean she made it back to the platform, which rarely happened in season three. But her pace was just so slow and she was lucky to have a no temple guard layout. Especially when she took the most direct path to the artifact. Although I don't mind her slow speed in bringing the Helmet out of the temple. That thing was huge.

And both girls were out of breath at the end of their runs. Tiffani even rips of her helmet (not the Sir Gawain) one when she gets to the temple gates. And Tarrah looks like she wants to fall down when Kirk and Chris are hugging her. I don't blame either one of them too!  :o
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 29, 2012, 12:28:13 AM
I think both girls did really well in the temple. Tarrah had to complete seven objectives before reaching the artifact (not including the brief detour in the wrong direction), while Tiffani completed six. I'd say that Tiffani's route was slightly more difficult as far as room objectives go, but I feel that Tarrah's height increased the difficulty of her run. Both girls got through their rooms pretty efficiently (though not necessarily extremely quickly).

I commend Tarrah's ability to brush off her fall in the Pit and keep going. Likewise, I commend Tiffani for lugging the "big ol' Helmet" out of the temple, especially through the Pit of the Pendulum and the Ledges.

I think that the girls were very equally matched in nearly all of the aspects of the temple, so I'd say that they were equal to each other. I wouldn't necessarily say that one of them was better than the other.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 29, 2012, 02:33:59 PM
They're both pretty equal, but I sort of like Tarrah better. Tiffani was good though, especially with that huge artifact she had to bring out of the temple.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 29, 2012, 10:23:08 PM
We always talked about contestant like Lauren from "William Tell", Dana, and Brian from "Jedediah Smith" doing a poor job when it comes to following up on their partner's paths. But which second runner did you think actually did a good job in following their partner's footsteps?

For this question, I am looking for second runner's whose partner got taken out more than five rooms away from the temple. Yes, Zac and Nate did an awesome job following up on their partner's steps. But who are some players who were taken out far away but followed up on their partner's steps well?

The first one that comes to mind is Elisa from "Ivan the Terrible". She was very fast and followed up on her partner's footsteps quite well. This included running through 8 rooms to even reach where Travis was taken out.

Matthew from "Belle Boyd" also did an awesome job following up on his partner's steps. Too bad he didn't take the Shrine, he might've actually reached the Handbag if he did.  :o
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 29, 2012, 11:09:42 PM
Definitely Elisa from "Ivan the Terrible." Neither her nor Travis made even a single mistake and still didn't reach the artifact on time. I also agree about Matthew from "Belle Boyd" as well. It's too bad neither him or Leah took any shortcuts. They probably would have won at the speed they were going.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 30, 2012, 01:02:48 PM
That is a really good question to bring up, TRJ. I also think the Elisa and Matthew did a very impressive job of following their partners' respective paths. Another contestant who I believe "cleaned up well" Katie from "The Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard." She followed Jared's 7-room path in 44 seconds, which included climbing out of the Pit from the lower crawl tube to the King's Storeroom.

I also would like to give Jennifer ("Melted Head of Madame Tussaud") credit for her portion of the run. Her partner only left her with 42 seconds, but she still made progress in the temple. Jennifer was smart to go straight up to the King's Storeroom from the Pit, and in the final 17 seconds, she was able to assemble the Silver Monkey.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 30, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
Yes, THANK YOU for mentioning Jennifer from "Melted Head," who always gets a lot of undeserved criticism just because she yelled at her partner. People don't want to look passed Jennifer's shouting, and look at her real performance in the temple. She was right to be hard in Nicholas. He was way too slow and hesitant in the temple. Obviously, Jennifer is not gonna reach the artifact and win in 40 seconds. At least she made progress, unlike Dana and Lauren, who couldn't even get out of the Pit in what little time they had remaining. I think if Jennifer had gone in first instead of Nicholas, it probably would have been a solo win. Assuming the third guard was in the Ledges.

I also agree about Katie from "Mystical Spellbook." She did great in what little time she had remaining, especially with the path they had. She really should have gone first, even if they still wouldn't have won.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Yes, THANK YOU for mentioning Jennifer from "Melted Head," who always gets a lot of undeserved criticism just because she yelled at her partner. People don't want to look passed Jennifer's shouting, and look at her real performance in the temple. She was right to be hard in Nicholas. He was way too slow and hesitant in the temple. Obviously, Jennifer is not gonna reach the artifact and win in 40 seconds. At least she made progress, unlike Dana and Lauren, who couldn't even get out of the Pit in what little time they had remaining. I think if Jennifer had gone in first instead of Nicholas, it probably would have been a solo win. Assuming the third guard was in the Ledges.

Nicholas spent 1:10 clearing the Tomb of the Headless Kings and the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. Had he bypassed them and gone straight to the King's Storeroom from the Pit, this run would have been much better off in general. I don't know if having Jennifer go in first would have resulted in this run being a win.

Also, I'm not sure if the last guard was in the Ledges or the Room of the Secret Password. After the time ran out, notice how Jennifer finished putting the head onto the Silver Monkey and then ran into the Room of the Secret Password, neglecting the clock. Usually teams stopped running when time ended (i.e. Elisa did not continue to pull the arms down in the final headdress in the Room of the Ancient Warriors in "Discarded Seal"). This makes me think that the run for "Melted Head" was somehow altered to not show the final guard coming out in the Secret Password and taking Jennifer out of the temple with only a half pendant.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 30, 2012, 04:19:09 PM
I third the mention of Jennifer from "Madame Tussaud". I never knew why people compare her to Dana and Lauren. Sure she was kind of loud, but so was Jay and people don't give him a hard time. 40 seconds was not enough time for any contestant to do anything, but Jennifer at least made progress with it. Plus, she was smart enough to cut straight to the King's Storeroom - something Nicholas didn't do. She almost even assembled the monkey before time was up! She used her time fine enough in my eyes.

Also, I can't believe I forgot about Katie from "Imperial Wizard" too. That was awesome to see her race all the way to where Judge was taken out and she almost entered the Room of the Secret Password. She even entered the Quicksand Bog from the Shrine, which her partner missed. I think they would've reached the artifact at least if Katie went in first.

I am surprised there is no mention of Jennifer from "The Dragon Lady and the Blue Pearl" either. Albert was taken out very far in the temple, and with little over a minute left, Jennifer made a great last minute effort to reach the Blue Pearl. This included running through 8 rooms and riding that slow Well bucket. She also had to complete one more objective and traverse through the Holes of Python. If she didn't go for the dramatic dive, they would've got the artifact at least.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 30, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
Jennifer ("Dragon Lady and the Blue Pearl") definitely followed her partner's path well. She got from the starting gate to the Room of Three Torches in about 25 seconds... so quickly that the Well hadn't even been brought all the way back up yet! That 3-second delay also played a part in this team's not reaching the Blue Pearl.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 30, 2012, 06:36:19 PM
It's Jared TRJ, not Judge.

And yeah, I agree about Dragon Lady's Jennifer. I mean, she only had a minute to pick up from where Albert left off. If she hadn't done that dramatic dive, she could have reached the artifact, like stated above.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 30, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
I kind of blame Kirk for her missing the Blue Pearl, he was the one that kept shouting at Jennifer to dive for it. But really, Albert is the real reason why they lost. If he didn't screw up in the Treasure Room, then they might've actually won. Although the one guard away was kind of unfair too.

I think another contestant that followed up on their partner's path well that no one mentions is Tracy from "The Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa". Chris got taken out six rooms into the temple, and she followed up on his path pretty well and this included a trip through the Holes of Python too. And she still had to assemble the Silver Monkey, in which she did, and managed to grab the Golden Jaguar at least.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on October 30, 2012, 08:17:56 PM
There were a lot of factors that influenced the outcome for the "Dragon Lady and the Blue Pearl" episode. First off, Albert dawdled around in the Treasure Room for a while. Then, the Well was not ready to be taken by the time that Jennifer got to the Room of Three Torches. There was about a 3-second delay. And finally, Kirk told her to "dive for it," when she could have slithered another foot forward in the Holes of Python in the remaining few seconds of the run.

Any of these factors could have resulted in this run being salvaged. I'm surprised that they didn't give the team the second prize due to the Well delay, like they did for the door malfunction in the "War Fan of the 47 Ronin" (even though by then it was the third season and it was under a different director).
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 31, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
It didn't help that both Albert and Jennifer had to ride the Well bucket in "Blue Pearl". That took out a chunk of time in their run. But as disappointing as it was not to see them reach the Blue Pearl, it still made the ending pretty exciting and memorable. I am not sure if I would change the outcome just because it was so awesome.

And speaking of "War Fan", I think Elise deserves a mention of some sorts too. Even when she was screwed out of 30 seconds due to the door malfunction, she still made it to the Room of the Secret Password. If she didn't lose that 30 seconds from the door issue, she would've reached the War Fan at least and might've been a very close win.

And I know this run was not very exciting or memorable, but I think Joshua from "Empress Theodora" deserves a mention too for following up on his partner's path pretty good. Ashley was pretty slow and got taken out pretty far in her run while wasting a lot of time. I thought Joshua followed up pretty nicely and had another close grab like Jennifer did. If he moved faster though, they would've reached it.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 03, 2012, 04:47:16 PM
Who do you think were the worst five Purple Parrot players in the temple? I want to ask that question for each team, so we will start with the Parrots first:

Top 5 worst Purple Parrot players:

1. Jackie ("Oracle Bowl") - She was painfully slow and made really pathetic progress for having two minutes for herself. She should've made it at least to the Treasure Room if she wasn't so slow or clueless.

2. Brian ("Sultan Suleiman") - He was slow and when he entered the Crypt, he only pulled one book and went all the way down to the Ledges. If he pulled all three books, then this run would've not ended in triple capture. Plus, he never pointed out the half-pendant to Gracelyn.

3. Gracelyn ("Sultan Suleiman") - She missed the half-pendant herself that was obvious to begin with. Plus, she was really slow and clueless. She tried pushing actuators in the King's Storeroom before smashing the pots. :roll:

4. Claude ("Lost Lion Tail") - He had no chance of winning because he was extremely slow. He walked all the way along the bottom floor of the temple and got lost in the MINE SHAFT. He even stuck his finger in the temple guards peep hole at the end of the run. :roll:

5. Eusinia ("King Tut's Cobra Staff) - She was just too clueless and got lost in rooms with actual objectives. He scaled the entire central shaft when she didn't have to AND tried backtracking to the Wheel Room. At least she was fast...

Does this list look accurate?  :?:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 03, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Claude at #1 and Aqila replaces Eusinia.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 03, 2012, 06:15:13 PM
Claude at #1 and Aqila replaces Eusinia.
This, and you called Eusinia a "he" in one of your sentences talking about her.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 04, 2012, 01:57:22 AM
Is Claude really worser than Jackie? I am not sure why I placed him lower than Brian and Gracelyn, he definitely deserves to be the top 2 at least. But Jackie was so pathetic though and she pissed away more time and made the same amount of progress that Claude made almost. But really, they were are both pathetic. :roll:

And word on Aqila, I am not sure why I missed her.  :o
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 04, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
I don't think that Gracelyn and Brian were necessarily a bad team; they just didn't have much luck in the temple. There were plenty of times when a contestant tried fewer than the three skeletons before they went down to the Ledges, or tried to go up into the Crypt before trying both doors in the Ledges. It just so happened that Brian got caught in a dead end in the Ledges in that particular run. That very easily could have happened to another contestant in a different run, but they were lucky enough to have a way out of the Ledges.

While Brian did not signal the half pendant to Gracelyn, there were plenty of instances where the frontrunner failed to point out the half pendant's location. And although it was in a rather obvious spot, Gracelyn would have had to have been looking ahead and down while running across the Troubled Bridge in order to have seen it. In all of the episodes featuring the team crossing a rickety bridge, it was more common for the players to look straight down at one's feet or directly ahead in order to maintain balance and speed. In addition, this was the only run to feature the half pendant in that location besides "Babe the Ox" (and in that episode, the team was not forced to traverse the Troubled Bridge and be forced to find the half pendant), so it is hard to say whether another team would have also had trouble locating the half pendant there.

And in regards to Gracelyn backtracking to Medusa's Lair, I believe that the door to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey did not open, and the team was supposed to go down the central shaft, then to the Swamp, and then finally to the Dark Forest.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 04, 2012, 11:23:13 AM
I feel that Aqila has a worse reputation than she deserves. Yes, she passed up the Golden Pepperoni, but that aside, she had a decent run. She found the other half pendant, which is more than can be said about several other runs. Aqila had to clear the Laser Light Room, the Jester's Court, the King's Storeroom, and the Shrine of the Silver Monkey herself just to get to the room with the artifact. None of those are straight-up "gimme" rooms, and she didn't have that much trouble clearing any of them besides the King's Storeroom, but I think she got very disoriented from encountering the temple guard in that room. Even so, once she composed herself, she cleared the King's Storeroom pretty quickly and then assembled the Silver Monkey in a speedy manner. All in all, I believe Aqila wasn't the most atrocious player and that the rap that precedes her is somewhat undeserved. She may have passed up grabbing the artifact, but besides that, she did well in the temple.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 04, 2012, 03:11:17 PM
I gotta agree about Aqila here. Her only problems were running too slow and passing up the pepperoni. She still wasn't a very good player, but she wasn't absolutely terrible like some people make her out to be. And I just laugh at comments on YouTube, where people consider the Golden Pepperoni run "the worst temple run ever." And Aqila is "the worst player in the history of the show." People who make those comments obviously haven't seen Cricket Cage before. :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 04, 2012, 07:18:15 PM
I don't think that Gracelyn and Brian were necessarily a bad team; they just didn't have much luck in the temple. There were plenty of times when a contestant tried fewer than the three skeletons before they went down to the Ledges, or tried to go up into the Crypt before trying both doors in the Ledges. It just so happened that Brian got caught in a dead end in the Ledges in that particular run. That very easily could have happened to another contestant in a different run, but they were lucky enough to have a way out of the Ledges.

While Brian did not signal the half pendant to Gracelyn, there were plenty of instances where the frontrunner failed to point out the half pendant's location. And although it was in a rather obvious spot, Gracelyn would have had to have been looking ahead and down while running across the Troubled Bridge in order to have seen it. In all of the episodes featuring the team crossing a rickety bridge, it was more common for the players to look straight down at one's feet or directly ahead in order to maintain balance and speed. In addition, this was the only run to feature the half pendant in that location besides "Babe the Ox" (and in that episode, the team was not forced to traverse the Troubled Bridge and be forced to find the half pendant), so it is hard to say whether another team would have also had trouble locating the half pendant there.

And in regards to Gracelyn backtracking to Medusa's Lair, I believe that the door to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey did not open, and the team was supposed to go down the central shaft, then to the Swamp, and then finally to the Dark Forest.

They did catch a few unlucky breaks in the temple, but the final outcome of their run was their own fault. Brian should've tried all of the books in the Crypt first before entering the Ledges. He would've avoided that temple guard altogether and this run wouldn't have ended in triple capture. Imagine if TJ from "Egyptian Queen" entered the Ledges after just trying one book in the Crypt? That run wouldnt have never been a win. I do agree that its not really his fault for not waving the half-pendant back to Gracelyn, since other contestants did it too. But still, it was obvious and in plain site. Plus, he hit the actuator to the Observatory which held the half-pendant. I mean why not just signal it back? I mean Andrea from "The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta" had her half-pendant in a pretty obscure place but she still signaled it back.

And Gracelyn was just too slow and clueless. She didn't even seem like she knew what she was doing as evident in the King's Storeroom. And she should've noticed that half-pendant too. But I agree that the team should've gone down into the Laser Light Room from Medusa's Lair - that was probably the path intended for them. The King's Storeroom was probably a deadend.

They did get unlucky with an unusual layout, but they were still lost causes. They wouldn't have even come close even if it didn't end in triple capture.

But I agree with both of you in regards of Aqila. Yeah, she did mess up by passing the Golden Pepperoni. But other than that, she moved at a fair pace in the temple and found the half-pendant. Its not like she was incompetent like other season two girls like Kim from "Charles Lindbergh" or Kerry from the "Spanish King" run. Even fast players like Ashlie from "Dolley Madison" had brain farts too. And i bet the people that said that "Golden Pepperoni" was the worst temple run probably think that "Shaka Zulu" is the best temple win. :roll:

That reminds me of a list on another site where someone said that "Golden Pepperoni" and "Kamehameha" were the top 10 worst temple runs on the show. I will post it if I can find it.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 04, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
Now time for the Red Jaguars!

Top 5 worst Red Jaguars players:

1. Sabrina ("Blackbeard's Treasure Map") - This girl had three minutes to herself and only made it through FIVE rooms. She was slow and looked confused from the start to finish. She may have caught an unlucky break in the Wheel Room, but Katherine from "Belshazzar" caught an even unluckier break and still made it far with time left in her run. Sabrina also got lost in the Heart Room and just gave up from there. :roll:

2. Lisa ("The Keys to the Alhambra") - It was between her and Sabrina for the number one spot, but I gave it to Sabrina. Lisa was still really crappy and incompetent. She was slow and when she couldn't make progress from the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, she backtracks all the way to the Cave of Sighs. She made no progress in her 2:30+ minutes in the temple. The only thing keeping her from the first spot was that she DID try the door to the Tomb-Shrine, but it already opened when she entered the room, probably confusing her. Pitiful.

3. Dana ("Smashed Printing Plate") - She was annoying and when she entered the temple, she did crap. Now, I wouldn't have included her if she at least attempted to try and get to where Jason left off. But she took the wrong door in the Ledges and moved slow. What the hell? Look what Elisa and Katie did in their little time. No excuses for her.

4. Jason ("Smashed Printing Plate") - You wonder why Dana was yelling at him. He was incompetent himself. He backtracked twice between the Room of the Ancient Warriors and Chamber. Plus, he was slow and missed a vital shortcut that would've cut his pathetic attempt even shorter. (Which we really wished happened). :roll:

5. Renee ("Queen Nzinga") - She had two options: Either find the obvious half-pendant or plow through the wall, in which she neither does. Pathetic and to think this team had an easy layout.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 04, 2012, 07:34:48 PM
So if Gracelyn was a poor contestant for passing up the half pendant and Aqila was a poor contestant for passing up the Golden Pepperoni, then would Olivia Emma have been considered a poor contestant if she had run into a temple guard during her run?

Olivia Emma missed her half pendant as well. Luckily, and unlike Gracelyn, she did not encounter a third temple guard. Granted, she did make quick work of the King's Storeroom and the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Then, when she got into the Viper's Nest, she went straight for the elevator. (I personally think that the elevator was down in the Mineshaft because she paused and then looked around the room sort of confused.) Either way, she, like Aqila, did not go straight for the artifact in the upper-left room. Luckily, Olivia Emma could not descend via the elevator, and instead found the Applewood Amulet without time running out.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 04, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
So if Gracelyn was a poor contestant for passing up the half pendant and Aqila was a poor contestant for passing up the Golden Pepperoni, then would Olivia Emma have been considered a poor contestant if she had run into a temple guard during her run?

Olivia Emma missed her half pendant as well. Luckily, and unlike Gracelyn, she did not encounter a third temple guard. Granted, she did make quick work of the King's Storeroom and the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Then, when she got into the Viper's Nest, she went straight for the elevator. (I personally think that the elevator was down in the Mineshaft because she paused and then looked around the room sort of confused.) Either way, she, like Aqila, did not go straight for the artifact in the upper-left room. Luckily, Olivia Emma could not descend via the elevator, and instead found the Applewood Amulet without time running out.

But I wasn't just slamming Gracelyn for just passing the half-pendant, I was also slamming her for being slow and clueless in general. Olivia-Emma completed her rooms enroute to the artifact just fine. Gracelyn got lost in the King's Storeroom and even tried the actuators in the room before she started smashing the pots. Olivia-Emma had a sense of what she was doing to. And she also did a great job getting the artifact out from the other side of the temple with little time on the clock. Look at what Jason from "Icarus" and Kimberly did when they had much more time than Olivia-Emma. If you read some of the older topics, I have slammed Olivia-Emma for missing the half-pendant that could've been detrimental. But I don't think she belongs in the same league with Gracelyn who has more problems than redeeming values.

And I don't think Aqila was a poor contestant for passing up the artifact. I never said that she was. To me, she was just an average contestant that made a poor mistake at the end. That doesn't mean she is flat out bad like some of the other girls on the show. I don't even think she is a bottom 20 girl on the show.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 04, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
I enjoy the "Applewood Amulet" run too, but I'm not really sure how this team had a one-second finish when they only cleared five rooms between the two of them. Where exactly did the time go? Neither Robert nor Olivia Emma were slow and incompetent, but they weren't the quickest contestants either. If they had to clear even one more room, even if that meant Robert entered through the Crypt and was forced down into the Ledges, this would not have been a win.

The "Silk Ladder", "Collar of Davy Crockett", and "Jeweled Scabbard" teams also had to only clear five rooms to win, but all of those teams finished with much more time on the clock. I understand that the first two episodes listed were in Season One, where the rooms were much more simplistic in their design. But the "Jeweled Scabbard" run featured the team traversing the entire central shaft, which featured three of the hardest, most time consuming rooms of the series. Still, Lacey and Asher finished with nearly 30 seconds left on the clock.

I've seen people comment that the "Silk Ladder" and "Davy Crockett" kids were undeserving. And I've seen people say that the "Jeweled Scabbard" kids didn't really pull out a quality win. So what characteristics about the "Applewood Amulet" make it a fan favorite episode? A one-second finish may be a nail-biter of an ending, but clearing five rooms should not have taken 2:30, even if the team had to complete Medusa's Lair, the King's Storeroom, and the Shrine of the Silver Monkey; the "Lost Hornpipe" and the "Mush Pot Hat" teams cleared those rooms and more in the same amount of time (even though the "Mush Pot Hat" didn't win their episode, they made it back to the Ledges, and that was including the elevator ride up from the Mineshaft).
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 04, 2012, 08:10:04 PM
Its true that the "Emiliano Zapata" win does get some more praise than it probably deserves. But I am fine with it though because it was an exciting run with a nail biter ending. I think "excitement factor" is a fine choice when praising a run. There is a reason why "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress" and "The Lucky Pillow of Annie Taylor" are highly praised runs and its because there is more to them than just temple layouts.

What people don't realize was that Robert and Olivia-Emma's path wasn't that simple. Medusa's Lair, King's Storeroom, and Shrine of the Silver Monkey were the most time consuming rooms for the S2L2 layout. And Robert was taken out in the King's Storeroom, so Olivia-Emma had to retrace his steps halfway through the temple. Plus, she dragged the artifact out from the other side of the temple with little time. True, they should've had more time than they ended with, but they still did a fine job taking into account what I said above.

As for the "Silk Ladder" and "Davy Crockett" wins, people call them undeserving because one of the players in each of those runs were mediocre. Adam was such a slow poke and he makes no attempt to speed up at any point in the run, even after he grabs the Raccoon Collar. Jeremy was slow and looked lost in the rooms of the temple also. And comparing this with other season one paths that were lengthier, taking 2:30 is pathetic. Shannon and Erika were good, but Adam and Jeremy were really not that great. There is a reason these two runs place at the bottom of people's list because they weren't that impressive.

As for "Sforza", not everyone considers this an undeserving win. In fact, there is a lot of people that place this run in their top tier of wins. I personally don't mind the win in general, but I don't think Lacey and Asher were that impressive. But still, I can go back and watch this run from time to time. Its no where near the level of disgrace like "Silk Ladder" and "Shaka Zulu". But there are plenty of people that like this win and the Green Monkeys performance. ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 05, 2012, 10:45:34 AM
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, why is "Applewood Amulet" considered a great run, "Sforza" a pretty good run, and other runs where better-than-average teams faced a more intense or longer layout (such as "Belle Boyd") considered an average, mediocre, or good run?

Does it come down to the success of the team, the emotional impact or suspense (thrill) of the run/contestants, and the difficulty of the path/rooms? Are the three considered equally? Is one weighted more heavily than the others? Does it have to do with how the contestants were portrayed or how the episode was editing? Is one of the three sometimes neglected or dismissed entirely, and if so, under what circumstances?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 05, 2012, 11:40:01 AM
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, why is "Applewood Amulet" considered a great run, "Sforza" a pretty good run, and other runs where better-than-average teams faced a more intense or longer layout (such as "Belle Boyd") considered an average, mediocre, or good run?

Does it come down to the success of the team, the emotional impact or suspense (thrill) of the run/contestants, and the difficulty of the path/rooms? Are the three considered equally? Is one weighted more heavily than the others? Does it have to do with how the contestants were portrayed or how the episode was editing? Is one of the three sometimes neglected or dismissed entirely, and if so, under what circumstances?

Well, I think the most important thing for the level of praise between "Emiliano Zapata" and "Belle Boyd" is the outcome of those runs. "Emiliano Zapata" ended in a win while "Belle Boyd" was a loss. That alone has people leaning towards Emiliano Zapata being the better run just because it ends in a win.

Here is some criteria I see when people critique a temple run:
- Quality of the temple run (Did the team put up a decent effort given their layout and circumstances they had to face?)
- Player performance (Were the players performance in the flawed in comparison with another run?)
- Memorableness (Did something eventful happen in this run or something that stands out over the rest?)
- Excitement factor (Would you want to go back and watch this run again? Or would you watch it one time and not watch it again?)
- Other criteria (Sometimes people take into account for other things. Like for example, the temple win for "Sir Gawain" has wore off a little bit for me because back when Nick GaS was our only source for Legends, they played this temple run like 2-3 times a week it seemed like. Would you want to watch a win that many times?)

Here is how I would compare "Emiliano Zapata" with "Belle Boyd":

- Quality of the temple run
I will admit that Leah and Matthew were the better team when it comes to these two runs. They faced an extremely difficult layout and came up close to the Room of the Ancient Warriors. I thought it was amazing how Matthew raced all the way to where Leah was taken out and still made some progress. But Robert and Olivia-Emma also put up a good effort and you have to give Olivia-Emma credit for bringing the artifact out from the other side of the temple with little time on the clock. I will say though that the Belle Boyd team was better.

- Player performance
I will give this to Leah and Matthew also. Olivia-Emma did make the mistake of passing the obvious half-pendant, which could've changed the outcome of the temple run if there was not an extra temple guard along her path. But Leah and Matthew's performance wasn't exactly flawless either. Both of them missed vital shortcuts that could've at least gave them the second prize. The temple ending could've been similar to "Henry Morgan" if they didn't take the longest route possible. Plus, as I mentioned above, Olivia-Emma did a great job with getting the artifact out of the temple with such little time.

- Memorableness
I am giving this one to Emiliano Zapata easily. There is really nothing that memorable about "Belle Boyd" except that the team had to face a tough layout. I don't even remember "Belle Boyd" half the time even when we are talking about good losses on the show. Meanwhile, Emiliano Zapata is memorable for the nail biter temple ending and quite possibly the closest win on the show.

- Excitement factor
This one goes to Emiliano Zapata also. I mean the "Belle Boyd" team put up a good performance and everything, but the Emiliano Zapata win was very exciting because it came down to literally the last second. Runs that come down to the wire are usually more exciting than ones that are won with eased. That is why I don't think runs like "Benzibab" and "Babe the Ox" is that exciting.

- Other criteria
Just for the fact that "Emiliano Zapata" ends in a win is a good enough reason to prefer this run over "Belle Boyd". I am not saying that all wins are better than all losses, but this one is great even though the team was not as good as "Belle Boyd". Just like I will pick "Annie Taylor" over "Belle Boyd" because its not always about temple layouts and player speeds.

In the end, both temple runs are great and I like both of them. But I prefer "Emiliano Zapata" most of the time over "Belle Boyd". Not to say Belle Boyd was a bad temple run. And it does receive its fair share of attention and praise too. I mean when we are talking about some of the best losses on the show, we usually talk about Belle Boyd. When it comes down to it though, we prefer Emiliano Zapata mostly due to the outcome. Besides, I think its more easier and fair to compare "Belle Boyd" to other temple losses than to a temple win.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 05, 2012, 11:47:16 AM
So then how would you compare "Belle Boyd" with "Discarded Seal"? Both were losses that featured two strong, quick, and smart contestants. Both runs also featured long, grueling layouts with the teams making it very close to the artifact.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 05, 2012, 02:00:30 PM
Both temple runs were great efforts by both Green Monkeys teams. They both were strong teams given a near impossible layout and both put up a great effort. For this one though, I have to give the "Ivan the Terrible" team the slight edge here. Their temple performance was slightly better than the "Belle Boyd"  team where Travis made it back to the platform from the rope swing and both players tried all available shortcuts. Whereas the Belle Boyd team took the longest route when they could've entered the Chamber and Shrine respectively. But when we get down to it, both were great efforts but I think "Ivan the Terrible" should get the nod just because it was more heartbreaking and memorable.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 06, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
What exactly makes one win more emotionally exciting than another? Is it the contestants' energy? Does Kirk's commentary and/or enthusiasm have any effect?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 06, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
Well, a win that is exciting is one that is memorable where something stands out. I suppose part of the charm of some wins have to deal with the contestants "energy" or "emotional state" while in the temple. One obvious example is Missy being really nervous and crying at the end of her temple run which was coupled with her hugging her partner and Kirk. Nobody wants to watch a contestant like Mitchell or Tracy from "Cleopatra" who looks like they don't even want to be on the show. This is why a lot of season one wins are not very memorable or exiting because none of the contestants really stand out.

The "emotionally exciting" wins are ones that come down to the wire too. That is why people like "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress", "Emiliano Zapata", and "Freydis" because they keep you at the edge of your seat until the very end of the run. It doesn't have to be down to a last second either, runs like "Pirate Captain" and "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" have a "down to the wire" finish to them also. This is why wins like "Enormous Iron Nose Ring", "Butch Cassidy", "Benzibab", "Geronimo", and "Roland" are not at the top of my list because there is nothing really exciting about finishing with over a minute left (or close to a minute). Its a nice feat and everything to finish with that much time in Olmec's temple, but they are pretty anticlimactic finishes.

And I also want to add in player performance too. An exciting run should have a player that is at least fast and acts competent. As cool as it was for Mitchell to reach the opposite side of the temple and bring the artifact out, I still find it to be boring because he just walks through the whole temple.

When it comes down to it though, I guess its personal preference. I mean there are a lot of people out there that like wins like Enormous Iron Nose Ring and Moccasins even though I personally can't stand them.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 06, 2012, 05:50:01 PM
Well, a win that is exciting is one that is memorable where something stands out. I suppose part of the charm of some wins have to deal with the contestants "energy" or "emotional state" while in the temple. One obvious example is Missy being really nervous and crying at the end of her temple run which was coupled with her hugging her partner and Kirk. Nobody wants to watch a contestant like Mitchell or Tracy from "Cleopatra" who looks like they don't even want to be on the show. This is why a lot of season one wins are not very memorable or exiting because none of the contestants really stand out.

The "emotionally exciting" wins are ones that come down to the wire too. That is why people like "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress", "Emiliano Zapata", and "Freydis" because they keep you at the edge of your seat until the very end of the run. It doesn't have to be down to a last second either, runs like "Pirate Captain" and "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" have a "down to the wire" finish to them also. This is why wins like "Enormous Iron Nose Ring", "Butch Cassidy", "Benzibab", "Geronimo", and "Roland" are not at the top of my list because there is nothing really exciting about finishing with over a minute left (or close to a minute). Its a nice feat and everything to finish with that much time in Olmec's temple, but they are pretty anticlimactic finishes.

And I also want to add in player performance too. An exciting run should have a player that is at least fast and acts competent. As cool as it was for Mitchell to reach the opposite side of the temple and bring the artifact out, I still find it to be boring because he just walks through the whole temple.

When it comes down to it though, I guess its personal preference. I mean there are a lot of people out there that like wins like Enormous Iron Nose Ring and Moccasins even though I personally can't stand them.

So the excitement of the run came down to the contestants' enthusiasm and the run being a close ending, but not about how enthusiastic Kirk was with his commentary? I find that a bit surprising, because I felt that there were some episodes where Kirk sounded more enticed and engaged in the run, and that added some excitement to the runs for me.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 06, 2012, 11:35:47 PM
Well, a win that is exciting is one that is memorable where something stands out. I suppose part of the charm of some wins have to deal with the contestants "energy" or "emotional state" while in the temple. One obvious example is Missy being really nervous and crying at the end of her temple run which was coupled with her hugging her partner and Kirk. Nobody wants to watch a contestant like Mitchell or Tracy from "Cleopatra" who looks like they don't even want to be on the show. This is why a lot of season one wins are not very memorable or exiting because none of the contestants really stand out.

The "emotionally exciting" wins are ones that come down to the wire too. That is why people like "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress", "Emiliano Zapata", and "Freydis" because they keep you at the edge of your seat until the very end of the run. It doesn't have to be down to a last second either, runs like "Pirate Captain" and "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" have a "down to the wire" finish to them also. This is why wins like "Enormous Iron Nose Ring", "Butch Cassidy", "Benzibab", "Geronimo", and "Roland" are not at the top of my list because there is nothing really exciting about finishing with over a minute left (or close to a minute). Its a nice feat and everything to finish with that much time in Olmec's temple, but they are pretty anticlimactic finishes.

And I also want to add in player performance too. An exciting run should have a player that is at least fast and acts competent. As cool as it was for Mitchell to reach the opposite side of the temple and bring the artifact out, I still find it to be boring because he just walks through the whole temple.

When it comes down to it though, I guess its personal preference. I mean there are a lot of people out there that like wins like Enormous Iron Nose Ring and Moccasins even though I personally can't stand them.

So the excitement of the run came down to the contestants' enthusiasm and the run being a close ending, but not about how enthusiastic Kirk was with his commentary? I find that a bit surprising, because I felt that there were some episodes where Kirk sounded more enticed and engaged in the run, and that added some excitement to the runs for me.

Well, I don't really take into consideration Kirk's commentary that much because probably I have watched all the wins so many times that I just tune his talking out. And not to mention, a lot of the wins in season 2 like Annie Taylor, Enormous Iron Nose Ring, Billy the Kid, Ahmed Baba, and Nostradamus had Kirk's temple commentary dubbed over. So it was more annoying than it being memorable. Although there are a couple of episodes that I like Kirk's commentary - "Pirate Captain" and "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" come to mind. But really, I never really care for his commentary unless it was laughable.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 08, 2012, 11:07:17 PM
Spending an excessive amount of time in a room and/or getting stuck in a room lowers a contestants' ability to stand out as a "great" contestant. Below I have listed ten players that I feel spent an exorbitant amount of time completing a room's objective. Do you agree with this list? Are there any people you would add or take off of this list?

Lisa ("Keys to the Alhambra")- Tomb of Ancient Kings
Tia ("Golden Cricket Cage of Khan")- Pit/Heart Room
Tony ("Stone Head of the Evil King")- Medusa's Lair
Brian ("Sacred Ring of Sultan Suleiman")- Ledges
Ashlie ("Bonnet of Dolley Madison")- Dark Forest
Veronica ("Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack")- Pit of the Pendulum
Larry ("Mysterious Manuscript of Mary Shelley")- Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Karisa ("Enormous Feather of the Me Linh")- Quicksand Bog
Katie ("Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis I")- Chamber of the Sacred Markers
Tess ("Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner Truth")- Dark Forest

In your eyes, who do you think redeemed themselves the best, or at least had the most salvageable experience in the temple? Who didn't?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 09, 2012, 12:24:18 AM
I would add Kelly from "Montezuma" to that list because she wasted her last 45+ seconds in that room. And she still didn't have the monkey assembled.

Out of that list, I think Ashlie from "Dolley Madison" had any sort of redeemable value. She moved fast in all the rooms before the Dark Forest and she completed most of her rooms pretty quickly. Plus, she went straight to the Crypt instead of going to the Ledges like some contestants do. Unfortunately, she screwed up in the Dark Forest though when this run really should've been a win. I actually don't find her to be anywhere near bad as the others on that list. Although she was a little clumsy in general in the temple like tripping in every room.

And I kind of have sympathy for Tony from "Evil King". Only because the objective for Medusa's Lair was pretty absurd. Expecting four snakes while racing against the clock was kind of unfair. No wonder he was getting frustrated. I am not excusing his pitiful temple performance though, but I think Medusa's Lair kind of messed him up.

But the rest on the list were just trash though. Except for maybe Tess - she was just too slow.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 09, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
Would Miriam's performance in the Jesters' Court ("Secret Map of the Bandit Queen") qualify her to be added to the list?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 09, 2012, 02:14:11 PM
Yeah, Miriam did waste a lot of time in the Jester's Court. But I don't know if that was more of her backtracking between the Dark Forest and Jester's Court or that she simply took a long time there. I haven't seen that run in a good while.

I also think that Casey from "Mt. Kilimanjaro" should be added to the list. He took a lot of time in the Jester's Court and he must've tried each painting three times!

Nicholas from "Madame Tussaud" took a lot of time in some rooms it seemed too, especially the Tomb of the Headless Kings.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 09, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Nicholas from "Madame Tussaud" took a lot of time in some rooms it seemed too, especially the Tomb of the Headless Kings.

Nicholas spent a lot of time in most of his rooms. He couldn't get all of the vines down in the Tomb of the Headless Kings, kept trying one of the pedestals in the King's Storeroom (instead of moving on to the next keyhole), and dilly-dallied in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. It's really no surprise why Jennifer was screaming her head off during that temple run. So in my mind, he had a hard time all around, not just in one particular room or with one particular objective. That's how I differentiated who I put on my original list.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 22, 2012, 01:45:07 AM
Its been a while since we had a post in this topic, so I am going to bring it back.

Who do you guys think performed worse in the temple - Jackie or Mandy? Both girls had partners who were taken out at the bottom of the central shaft and both girls had their temple runs ending on the top floor. Except in Mandy's case, her run ended in the Shrine.

I have to say Mandy was worse than Jackie. The biggest mistake both players made was that they never took any of the shortcuts to the Shrine. Both girls were completely slow though, but it looked like Jackie was slightly slower. But Mandy did find the Tomb of the Ancient Kings key to the Shrine, but she never used it. Instead, she used the Well bucket that was not only slow but also made her complete the Torch Room objective. Jackie made the same mistake, but the Dungeon ladder was not as slow as the Well bucket.

While Mandy's time did end in the Shrine compared to Jackie in the Pirate's Cove, Jackie got screwed by the Pirate's Cove objective. It took even Kirk a good 15 seconds to figure it out himself. If it wasn't for that, then Jackie's time probably would've ended in the same spot as Mandy.

I have to say that Mandy was slightly worse than Jackie was in the temple.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 22, 2012, 01:47:32 AM
I disagree, I say Jackie was more clueless. She just walked through the temple and had no idea what she was doing. Especially in the Pirate's Cove. Mandy wasn't bad at all, she was just too slow and didn't take shortcuts. I really don't see how she was worse than Jackie honestly.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 22, 2012, 01:56:35 AM
Maybe I haven't watch the "Joan of Arc" run in a while, but Mandy was pretty sluggish herself through the bottom floor of the temple. She took forever to get out of the Bamboo Forest if I recall. She also struggled with the monkey with the little time she did have. Jackie was very slow too. Now that I recall, she did get lost in the Ledges. But in her defense though, the whole Pirate's Cove thing threw me off when I watched it. So I don't blame her that much for getting confused there. Its really hard to choose, but I still give the nod slightly to Mandy.

Although it would've been better if they went first and their partners went second.  ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 22, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Mandy and Jackie had very similar performances. Both entered the temple with 2:00 minutes left and both began in the Gargoyle Room, which only led into the Cave of Sighs. Jackie had a harder time navigating the Cave of Sighs, but both girls covered their partners' tracks slowly. Jackie's partner cleared one room farther than Mandy's partner, but that is negligible since the guard was in the Swamp. Mandy at least tried to head up from the Bamboo Forest, so that was one "saving grace" for the run. Both girls found the key in the Tomb of Ancient Kings, but neither attempted to use it. Jackie didn't originally push on the stone wall hard enough for it to break down, but she finally got it down. Jackie was able to clear the Dungeon more quickly than Mandy could ride the Well, but they couldn't do anything about how fast the elevator operated. In the Pirates' Cove, Mandy immediately knew what to do, while Jackie did not. Jackie spent 45 seconds in the Pirates' Cove, while Mandy spent a few seconds less in the room.

Overall, I'd say that the two were on par with each other. They were equally slow in following their partners' paths, and they were equally slow in completing objectives. Neither showed any extremely remarkable qualities in their runs, so I wouldn't necessarily say that one of the girls was better than the other. The one thing that may have been even moderately more impressive about Mandy's run was that she tried to go up from the Bamboo Forest.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 29, 2012, 12:26:09 AM
I was thinking about this earlier today. Which season two girl was worse in the temple - Kim from "Charles Lindbergh" or Kerry?

I use to think that Kerry was the worst girl in season two, but my opinion has changed to Kim. Between the two, Kerry was definitely slower than Kim. She took forever to get out of the Ledges! Then she painfully walks across the bottom floor as if three minutes is enough time to move at your sweet own pace. And when she assembles the Silver Monkey (don't ask me how she found time to do so), she backtracked to the Viper's Nest. :roll:

But now let's get to Kim. She had about two minutes to complete two rooms and the Dark Forest and what does she do? Well, she moves slow to where Nick was left off. She is not slow as Kerry, but she still wastes time in rooms that are already completed. And when she completes the King's Storeroom, she backtracks the other way! And then she assembles the Silver Monkey in horrible fashion (see sig :roll:) and when the Dark Forest does open, she runs the wrong way! How pitiful, there is no reason why she couldn't have reached the Missing Weather Maps.

Overall, I now think Kim was the worst season 2 girl. She was a lost cause and there could've been a Dark Forest victory that day. There are plenty of tragic losses on the show, but this one just pisses me off. I can't believe I use to find this loss to be exciting. I hate this temple run now and Kim brings shame to the Red Jaguars.

Who do you think was worse?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 29, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Kim by far. She just had no idea what she was doing. At least Kerry had somewhat of an idea. She was just too slow. Plus, she got mostly hit the actuator rooms. Where as Kim entered rooms that actually had objectives, but she blew it.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on December 14, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
I have a new question to contemplate: Which contestant(s) had the most difficulty getting out of the Pit?

The list I came up with consists of Kristen (Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart), Kim (John Henry's Lost Hammer), Tia (Golden Cricket Cage of Khan), and Veronica (Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack). I'll also have to make a note of both Lauren (Dried Apple Half of William Tell) and Dana (Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass). I wouldn't say that they necessarily struggled at getting out of the Pit; they were just very slow at progressing passed it.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on December 14, 2012, 12:42:35 AM
I'd say either Veronica or Kristen. Probably Veronica, because she took literally over a minute getting out of the Pit. Kristen took about 40 seconds getting out, but I don't think she was nearly as bad as Veronica. As far as Kim goes, it wasn't so much difficulty getting out of the Pit, she just didn't know what an actuator was. And Tia was just a lost cause, period. So she doesn't count for me.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on December 14, 2012, 01:32:32 AM
Veronica was definitely the worst out of the whole group. She was the one that took the longest in the Pit out of all those other girls. Taking over a minute was beyond pathetic. Kristen took a long time to climb also, but she still got the job done faster. And she didn't even have a platform to pull herself up onto like Veronica then. That is just beyond pathetic, like the whole "One-Eyed Jack" run is anyways.

Kim and Tia were just lost causes like mentioned above. Kim didn't really struggle climbing the wall like the other girls did. Her problem even goes beyond stupidity  than the other ones above. But she didn't struggle to climb the wall at all in her defense. I am not sure what Tia was trying to accomplish, and neither did she either.

Finally, Dana and Lauren were just incompetent period. Dana screwed up because she took the wrong door in the Ledges and wasted her remaining time in the Pit while Lauren didn't even make it to the King's Storeroom with over a minute left. They were so pathetic. I know the layouts were hard and they didn't have enough time due to their clueless partners, but Katie from "Imperial Wizard" and Elisa also made it far in their layouts with little time. That is why I never compare Jennifer from "Madame Tussaud" with these two losers.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on December 14, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
I think the platform being there was the reason Veronica didn't make it up the wall the first time. The spacing of the holes in the wall in the Pit was not uniform along the whole face of the wall. The foothold below the door to the Center of the Rooms was lower than the one to the Observatory. Many contestants in Seasons 1 and 2 had more difficulty getting into the Center of the Rooms because of the way that foothold was spaced. Adding in the platform made getting up even more difficult because the contestant had to brace themselves against the wall and then maneuver themselves backward, up, and over the platform. Veronica nearly made it up on her first attempt; she just didn't get a good grip on the door to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers to then hoist her legs up and over the platform.

And if you'll notice, there was only one other Season 3 contestant who even attempted to climb up that left wall in the same manner as Veronica's first attempt (and she was successful). Every other person either went around the platform on the left wall, up the back wall, or around the platform on the right wall.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on December 14, 2012, 11:47:08 AM
Honestly, if Lissy (the successful contestant PP4L is referring to) can do it, anyone can. Veronica was just a bad player, there's no denying this. Chamber, followed by Ancient Warriors, then Storeroom = bad.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on December 14, 2012, 12:38:35 PM
Yeah, Veronica was a horrible contestant, and not just for taking over a minute to climb the wall either. Her partner was equally as stupid as she was. Seriously, no other second runners beside Thomas tried pulling the books in the Crypt. And I know it was one of the first season 3 runs on the show. But look at the other runs that day (William the Conqueror/War Fan/Sir Gawain) and none of them are as pitiful as "Bifocal Monocle". In fact, I think Bifocal Monocle is the second worst run on the whole show after Golde Cricket Cage.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on December 21, 2012, 03:04:37 PM
Looking at the design for "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean", do you guys think it was a more probable chance of the Orange Iguanas winning if Mike went straight to the King's Storeroom from the Pit? The King's Storeroom route would've been much shorter since it was one less objective for Mike to complete and he still would've been taken out in the Room of the Secret Password. And when Kelli would enter, the King's Storeroom would've already been cleared for her and she wouldn't have wasted time there. I think this team would've won if they entered the King's Storeroom the start. Although they still would've won if Kelli wasn't so stupid.  :roll:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on December 21, 2012, 10:50:48 PM
Looking at the design for "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean", do you guys think it was a more probable chance of the Orange Iguanas winning if Mike went straight to the King's Storeroom from the Pit? The King's Storeroom route would've been much shorter since it was one less objective for Mike to complete and he still would've been taken out in the Room of the Secret Password. And when Kelli would enter, the King's Storeroom would've already been cleared for her and she wouldn't have wasted time there. I think this team would've won if they entered the King's Storeroom the start. Although they still would've won if Kelli wasn't so stupid.  :roll:

I believe that Mike would have breezed through the King's Storeroom and would have left Kelli with even more time left on the clock to finish the lower floor. Mike entered the Tomb of the Headless Kings at 2:38 and reached the Room of the Ancient Warriors at 1:48, a total of 50 seconds. He could have completed the King's Storeroom much more quickly than those two rooms. Kelli additionally spent 32 seconds traversing through the King's Storeroom, which would have instead gone into completing the bottom floor of the temple. While it is not guaranteed, I believe that the "Thornwood Gavel" team could have achieved a victory if Mike had begun in the King's Storeroom.

Conversely, I'm not sure if the team would have won had Kelli followed Mike's path through the Tomb of the Headless Kings, but I'm pretty certain that she would have at least grabbed the artifact.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on December 26, 2012, 12:00:15 PM
Out of all of the contestants who got caught in a dead-end during their temple runs, who do you think best overcame this obstacle?

I would have to say that Vicky (Silver Saddle Horn of Hannibal) did a good job of staying oriented in the temple and trying to move forward. Her dead-end was a whopping three rooms long, as opposed to most runs with the dead-end being only one room. Even so, she kept a pretty good pace and even took a trek through the Holes of Python. By the time she got taken out of the temple, she cleared an impressive seven rooms and still left her partner with almost a minute on the clock.

Eusinia (King Tut's Cobra Staff) briefly entered the "dead-end" Throne Room before returning back to the Heart Room and going across the top floor of the temple. I think that besides this minor wrong turn, the rest of her temple run performance was strong. She was quick and completed all of her objectives rather swiftly. Eusinia got taken out of the temple in her seventh room, but still left 1:30 on the clock, which was enough time for David to reach the artifact.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on December 26, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
I'd definitely say Eusinia from "King Tut's Cobra Staff." Even though she was so easily confused, she still left David plenty of time to at least reach the artifact. And yeah, the rest of her temple performance was pretty strong. She moved faster than David even.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on December 26, 2012, 07:42:54 PM
Given the circumstances that Katherine had to face in "The Golden Cup of Belshazzar", I have to say that Katherine did a good job retracing her steps from the Room of Harmonic Convergence. She moved fast through her whole tenure in the temple and she just had really bad luck with that layout. It was so brutal but she still made it to the Treasure Room with a little over a minute left.

I am not sure if I consider the Throne Room a deadend room for Eusinia either. Since the Throne Room opened, it looked like an alternate path that she could take from the Cave. Even though she was not very bright, she did move very fast and got taken out in the Shrine with more than enough time to bring the artifact out. David was the opposite of Eusinia - he  was slow but also smarter. Its funny how that worked out. I don't remember this happening in other runs where the temple runners were the opposite of each other.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on December 26, 2012, 10:20:35 PM
I am not sure if I consider the Throne Room a deadend room for Eusinia either. Since the Throne Room opened, it looked like an alternate path that she could take from the Cave.

The door heading back to the Wheel Room opened, which suggests that they could have begun in the Cave of Sighs and gone along the bottom. But since the rock slab was still down and she could not progress that way (backwards), I'm calling it a dead-end.  ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on July 24, 2013, 11:50:50 PM
I would like to bump this thread so that we can discuss some of our opinions regarding the "3 Strikes Contestants by Season" Temple Games threads. Feel free to refer back to prior conversation, and by all means add more! I loved rereading through this thread just now because a lot of the discussion here has been reflected (but also a bit was contradictory) in our voting patterns in the Temple Games thread.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 25, 2013, 01:33:36 AM
How about we talk about the Robert the Bruce team? Some people feel that Christine and Jeremy were a lackluster and below average team in the temple, while others feel that the team did pretty well with their layout given.

In my opinion, Christine and Jeremy were a pretty disappointing team. Christine moved at a slow pace and she didn't make it that far while traveling through 4 rooms. Jeremy was kind of slow also. He also should've noticed that half-pendant in the Pit too, but made no attempt to look for it.  :? Plus, he kind of struggled in the Shrine and Ancient Warriors also. I don't think they were a terrible team, but they were kind of lackluster in my eyes. Even if they had a "Pytheas" type layout, they probably wouldn't have won.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on July 25, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Christine entered 5 rooms before being removed from the temple. She could have saved time by avoiding the Ledges, but c'est la vie. She didn't struggle with any objectives; the only reason that the King's Storeroom took a bit longer was because the key was in the third pot and the last pedestal activated the door.

Jeremy should have gone directly into the Crypt, but besides that followed up on Christine's path decently. I don't think he struggled too badly with his objectives, even though he was not the speediest contestant. I can forgive him passing up the half pendant because it was a bit off to the side of the door frame. Unlike most other episodes, all three guards were unavoidable, so it was imperative for Jeremy to get the half pendant in order to have a chance at victory.

Overall, I find this run to be interesting in that the path forced the team up into the Crypt and all the way around the horn before returning on the bottom floor. The forced temple guard placement was also unusual. Even though the team lost, I like this episode for these unique features.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 26, 2013, 12:36:09 PM
I thought it was very unfair that the team was forced to encounter all 3 guards with that brutal layout. But I guess it was bound to happen since they were forced to enter every temple room already. They did the same thing in "Lost Taj Mahal Turban" where that Green Monkeys team was forced into all 3 guards too. Personally, I felt that one guard should at least be avoidable in 1.5 pendant runs.

I don't really have a problem with the Robert the Bruce team either way. They were forgettable and nothing special, but they weren't as terrible as people make them out to be. Especially when people accuse Jeremy of being a cheater. It was only an honest mistake and he got caught either way and it didn't benefit him in the end. It did cost him a half-pendant though since he was leading his temple game before being forced to go back.

They probably would've finished in the Jester's Court if they used up all their time. If they were given access to the Shrine-Dark Forest shortcut, they might've reached the Spider Web.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on August 15, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
What are everyone's thoughts on Jay and Nate? Both contestants were secondrunners of Tomb of the Headless Kings runs, and both were able to retrieve their respective artifacts, but neither succeeded in bringing them out of the temple.

Jay outlasted Nate in the "Best Male Players" list and has gotten generally better feedback in all of the "Rate the..." threads. However, Jay only completed the Shrine, Dark Forest, and Jesters' Court. His run ended with him in the Tomb of the Headless Kings. Nate, on the other hand, had to complete the same rooms as well as the King's Storeroom and Ancient Warriors. Additionally, Nate was able to make it to the Pit. I understand that Janeen left Jay with less time than Lissy did for Nate, but Nate completed more tasks and got closer to a victory. With that being said, why does it seem that Jay is the more favored of the two contestants?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 15, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
I honestly think that both Nate and Jay rank on the same level, if not they are interchangeable when it comes to ranking them. You are right though about Jay ranking much higher than Nate in a couple of ranking threads. I actually watched the Queen Boadicea run yesterday and forgot how tough Nate got it. By the time Lissy was taken out, Nate had less than two minutes and only had three rooms completed for him. Nate also had bad luck in some rooms like the King's Storeroom where it was the third pot that had the key and the third hole that unlocked the door to the Ancient Warriors. An by the time Nate finish assembling the Silver Monkey, he had less than a minute left and he still reached the Good-Luck Watch with 15 seconds left.

Jay did very well though also. With 1:30 left, he made it all the way to the Jester's Court in under a minute and got sidetracked by a production error in that room. I think he aligned himself just fine on the middle painting first. If it wasn't for this production error, then Jay would've grabbed the Good-Luck Watch and would've won. Both Nate and Jay were awesome, but I thought Jay was the better contestant a little more. He probably would've done just as good as Nnate if he had the Boadicea layout.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 15, 2013, 10:10:58 PM
Also, the Queen Boadicea run usually gets higher rankings than the Empress Eugenie run also. I am not sure if that is because of how slow Janeen was in the Eugenie run, but I have definitely seen Boadicea get more praise. Even when I held the "Rate the Bottom of the Central" shaft run, both Red Sash and Boadicea ranked higher than Eugenie. ;) It is funny because both Boadicea and Eugenie are very similar in many ways. And also, I noticed that the Secret Password door was locked when Nate completed the Silver Monkey. So it just didn't happen in Empress Eugenie. ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on August 15, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
I think that the disparity between Jay and Nate is unusual since the two contestants and their runs are so similar.


Next, I'd like to turn out attention to Icarus' Jason. He came just shy of achieving a solo victory, but unnecessarily entered the Observatory and could have exited the temple in a much cleaner fashion. In recent discussions, Jason has received a lot of criticism and even received votes in the "Worst Male Green Monkey Males" thread. Isn't that a bit excessive?

He completed the necessary rooms swiftly and was able to find the key in the Dark Forest to gain direct access to the Shrine. Jason was not the only contestant to backtrack in the temple, but he realized his mistake quickly and headed back to the King's Storeroom before he began to assemble the Stone Column. As far as his exit strategy goes, many other contestants took the same route out (most with equal disappointment). But since he was not alone in descending through the central shaft upon exiting the temple, can we assign more blame on him than other contestants who did the same thing?

And in a similar light, how would we think of Jason and his run if he had scored a one-second victory like Olivia-Emma (Applewood Amulet) or David (Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress)? Would it be a great, nail-biter of a run? Or would the successful one-second nail-biter runs be less exciting since there wouldn't be a "so-close-yet-so-far-away" run to be comparably more disappointed about? Would we still think that Jason could have performed better and won with more time on the clock? Or would we say that he did well and nearly blew it but didn't?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 15, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
If Icarus did end up in a one second win, I think this run would get the "Butch Cassidy" treatment where it will get criticism because the win is not as a great as people make it out to be. While Olivia-Emma and David weren't perfect, they did many things right in the temple too that Jason failed to do. Both of those players had solid temple exits too considering the little time they had. Jason had over 50 seconds and still failed to bring the Broken Wing out. This win in general couldn't hold a candle to Emiliano Zapata, Lawernce of Arabia's Headdress, or even Galileo' Cannonball. There were just so many bad things about the Icarus win that it would probably be maligned like Butch Cassidy and Geronimo.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 17, 2013, 02:15:01 AM
I was thinking about this the other day, but does anyone think that Kristin from Catherine the Great is overrated? She ranks high in a lot of ranking threads and games. Her layout was not very hard at all either. In fact, it was just one extra room than the "Roland" win. Plus, the other wins that day (Sforza and Benzibab) get quite a lot of criticism even though the Catherine the Great layout was almost as easy. Do you think the reason Kristin gets a lot of praise was because it was the last run ever filmed? I don't think she is overrated, but I want to see how others feel about her.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on August 17, 2013, 10:56:39 AM
I agree with your points about Kristin, and while I think she did a good job in the temple, I feel that she sometimes gets too much praise for her performance. She did have a relatively short and easy path for a Season 3 run, and she had a bit of trouble in the Shrine. However, her head-first dive in the Pit of the Pendulum and her consistent speed, in combination with the fact that it was the final episode of the series, may influence our opinion of this run.

Still, if we are to compare Catherine the Great to other similar Season 3 runs, there seems to be an unfair disparity in favor of the Catherine the Great run. Ivory Hunting Horn had an identical path, with the exception of the Shrine, but it is often stated that that win was "too easy." The Shrine was a room that could eat up a lot of time, but it was only one extra room and Yakerra would have had a minute to complete it if she had to reach the Ancient Warriors. Would Yakerra be a "superstar" contestant if she was forced to complete the Shrine to reach the Ivory Hunting Horn? And unlike Yakerra, Kristin didn't even complete all of the rooms in her path since Kris lasted until the Tomb of the Headless Kings.

Benzibab's layout has received similar criticism as Ivory Hunting Horn, but Annie and Kevin entered the same number of rooms as Kris and Kristin and had a faster completion of the temple. While it is clear that the Shrine was a more time consuming room than the Quicksand Bog, that was the only major difference between the two runs. I mean, Annie and Kris were even removed at the same point in the temple in the same amount of time. And the third guard was not encountered in either run.

Lastly, Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza has been called a good win, but a bit easy. Yes, this team only had to scale the central shaft en route to the Ancient Warriors, but even though that path was one room shorter than the Jewel-Encrusted Egg route, I would argue that it was equally or more difficult. The Jesters' Court had its fair share of dysfunction and the Shrine could trip up contestants, but neither room took a considerable amount of time. And the Dark Forest was a quick room to complete. The Chamber of the Sacred Markers and King's Storeroom, in my opinion, were a harder combination of rooms to have to complete back-to-back. In addition, the Jeweled Scabbard team found their half pendant (even though it was not necessary). Asher reached the Jeweled Scabbard with 48 seconds left and reached the gate with 28 seconds left on the clock. Kristin reached the Jewel-Encrusted Egg with 45 seconds left and reached the gate with 24 seconds left on the clock. In other words, Kristin was equally fast as (or equally slow as) Asher, who has received criticism for not being "quick enough" and should have had more time left on the clock.

Okay, so enough of my rant. I think that Kristin (and Kris) was a good contestant, but when we put it into perspective, she was on an equal playing field as the Benzibab, Sforza, and Roland teams.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 17, 2013, 12:27:56 PM
Yeah, I think the reason that Kristin gets a lot of praise is because of her having the last temple run ever on the show. So a lot of people put this win in high regards because of it being the last win. Also, this is like the only Red Jaguars win that was respectable to most people. So Kris and Kristin do get a little more favoritism because of this, a long with being the last temple win on the show. But you're right, all of the players on that production day performed about the same. Even though Benzibab and Sforza do get some flack for being easy layouts, I still like both of those wins. Although I like Sforza a little better than Benzibab. Even if Lacey and Asher's path was simple, they still had to face some tough rooms. And both players did a good job in handling them. The Benzibab kids did a good job also, and Annie and Kevin were really fast contestants. I still place Catherine the Great in my top 5 wins because of how memorable it was and the bias I have towards my favorite team. But I agree with you about your analysis of Kristin and the other players that day. It was a good production day overall.  :mrred:
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 26, 2014, 05:01:10 PM
Often times, temple run contestants are judged based on speed. It's often said "It's not how you start; it's how you finish." Nonetheless, I think it would be neat to do a comparison to see how "fast" our teams were "out of the gate". Here, I want to alert you to an interesting statistic: how long it took for the front runner to complete their first room passed the Pit of the Pendulum. I'm only covering Season 3 because the rooms in the central shaft never changed throughout the season to alter room difficulty. And I will only be including runs where the front runner was able to complete the objective of that first inner-temple room, not episodes in which the contestant was removed upon entering the room. The number in parentheses under "First Inner-Temple Room" indicates whether that was the contestant's third or fourth room entered, depending on how many entrance rooms were entered.

EpisodeContestantFirst Inner-Temple RoomTime Left on Clock
Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed JackVeronicaChamber (3)1:23
Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the ConquerorOliviaHeadless Kings (3)N/A
War Fan of the Forty-Seven RoninJeremyHeadless Kings (3)1:58
Much-Heralded Helmet of Sir GawainTiffaniChamber (3)2:02
Lion-Headed Bracelet of ChandraguptaAndreaKing's Storeroom (3)2:03
Lion-Slashed Jacket of SacajaweaLaurenHeadless Kings (3)2:02
Secret Map of the Bandit QueenMiriamHeadless Kings (3)2:13
Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy BeanMikeHeadless Kings (3)2:22
Snow Cone of Mount KilimanjaroCaseyHeadless Kings (3)1:55
Upside-Down Compass of Henry HudsonSherraHeadless Kings (4)1:52
Bent Shaving Pan of Jedidiah SmithIrishHeadless Kings (3)2:02
Marble Armrest of XerxesNoelleHeadless Kings (4)1:44
Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick DouglassJasonChamber (3)2:02
Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial WizardJaredKing's Storeroom (4)1:48
Useless Map of the Chibcha ChieftainHallieHeadless Kings (3)N/A
Golden Spider Web of Robert the BruceChristineKing's Storeroom (4)1:58
Discarded Seal of Ivan the TerribleTravisChamber (3)2:17
Mysterious Manuscript of Mary ShelleyKateChamber (3)2:00
Dried Apple Half of William TellBrettKing's Storeroom (4)1:39
Missing Portrait of Hans HolbeinRachelKing's Storeroom (4)1:40
Ivory Hunting Horn of RolandYakerraHeadless Kings (3)2:17
Royal Torque of Queen BoadiceaLissyChamber (3)1:56
Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate CaptainJessicaHeadless Kings (3)2:24
Enormous Feather of the Me LinhDavidHeadless Kings (3)2:15
Red Sash of Tokugawa IeyasuBrandyKing's Storeroom (3)2:13
Broken Trident of PoseidonKimberlyHeadless Kings (3)2:19
Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis IKatieKing's Storeroom (3)2:18
Mussel-Shell Armor of ApanuugpakAmandaHeadless Kings (3)2:07
Metal Beard of the Egyptian QueenTJHeadless Kings (3)2:21
Mummified Hand of the Egyptian KingMaggieHeadless Kings (3)N/A
Lost Taj Mahal Turban of AurangzebDeanChamber (3)1:56
Melted Head of Madame TussaudNickHeadless Kings (3)2:05
Pearl Necklace of GwaliorRyanKing's Storeroom (3)2:17
Bullet-Riddled Handbag of Belle BoydLeahKing's Storeroom (3)2:14
Lost Whale Bone of PytheasBrittanyHeadless Kings (3)2:15
Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner TruthEddieChamber (3)2:00
Jeweled Scabbard of SforzaLaceyHeadless Kings (3)2:07
Good-Luck Watch of Empress EugenieJaneenKing's Storeroom (3)1:46
Ruby Earring of BenzibabAnnieHeadless Kings (3)N/A
Jewel-Encrusted Egg of Catherine the GreatKrisHeadless Kings (3)N/A
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 26, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Interesting stuff there. Based on that list, Leah, Mike, and Jessica were the fastest, and Janeen, Noelle, and Veronica were the slowest. One comparison I always wanted to do was how long a player truly lasted in the temple. I believe TMH did that when he posted his stats, and I think it would be interesting thing to compare.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 26, 2014, 08:27:13 PM
Interesting stuff there. Based on that list, Leah, Mike, and Jessica were the fastest, and Janeen, Noelle, and Veronica were the slowest. One comparison I always wanted to do was how long a player truly lasted in the temple. I believe TMH did that when he posted his stats, and I think it would be interesting thing to compare.

TJ should be a part of that top 3 in place of Leah, at 2:21.  ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 26, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
One thing I want to point out is that a majority of the contestants (focusing on those who only entered one entrance room) finished their third room with approximately 2:00 left on the clock. For this reason, I think it is unfair to say that contestants who fall in this time zone were "too slow" or worse than "the average Season 3 contestant" and therefore "ruined/blew the run." In particular, I think of Lissy from Royal Torque of Queen Boadicea. She completed the Chamber of the Sacred Markers with 1:56 on the clock, which was the average time. It seems that whenever her episode is mentioned, she "takes the blame" for this run not being a victorious run. In reality, she was right on target in terms of pace. Once she was removed after her third room, Nate did a good job completing the remaining objectives. However, it was the longer-than-average path to the Tomb of the Headless Kings that ended up being their downfall; not their pace or ability to complete rooms. (Just to clarify: this was the only Tomb of the Headless Kings run whose path required the team to complete both of the other central shaft rooms, making it the longest forced path en route to the Tomb of the Headless Kings in Season 3.)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 26, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
Lissy actually did a pretty good job in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. I mean did she complete the room in like 15 seconds or something like that? That was pretty good considering how it took some contestants up to 30 seconds. However, I felt that she took too long before entering the Chamber of the Sacred Markers It took her more than 20 seconds to get out of the Crypt (I guess the temple guard sort of phased her) and then took her another 25 second to get out of the Pit. Rewatching the Queen Boadicea run again, I think I have been a little harsh towards Lissy. But I still think if she didn't stall too much before the Chamber, she would've left Nate enough time to bring the Royal Torque out of the temple. At least Lissy was not as bad as Janeen. That girl was too afraid to even try some of the objectives. If Nate and Lissy had the Good-Luck Watch layout, they would've won that one. Lissy was definitely stronger than Janeen.

Although I have to say Red Sash was slightly tougher than Queen Boadicea. Mostly because of the quirk with the Secret Password door being open from the Shrine. But this layout was still pretty winnable also, and Brandy and Quentin's hesitations cost them.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 26, 2014, 10:34:47 PM
Honestly, I always found Royal Torque overrated. I mean, everytime I go into a ranking thread and this episode is up for scoring, everyone gives it perfect 10's and puts it on the same level as Apanuugpak and Lost Hornpipe. To be honest, I wouldn't even give that run higher than a 6. I just find the temple run boring. Besides Nate's performance in the temple, nothing sticks out in the least bit. Yes Lissy was a stronger player than Janeen, but it doesn't make the temple run "amazing" or "excellent" that people make it out to be. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I really dislike this temple run. I feel like Lissy deserves the criticism she gets, even if she didn't last long in the temple. I know this has nothing to do with personal opinions, but I felt like I should share it anyways. I even prefer Good Luck Watch to Royal Torque, even if this layout was far more winnable.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 26, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
I like Queen Boadicea since it was the Red Jaguars best temple loss next to Two-Cornered Hat. And the Red Jaguars did not have very many successful runs. :P But yeah, this temple run is kind of uneventful aside from Nate almost bringing the artifact out of the temple. I have to say that Priceless Portrait is the best bottom of the central shaft run. That temple run was very exciting, especially when Kristen raced along the bottom floor of the temple. That would've been a top 5 episode easily for me if Jim and Kristen won.

And since we are comparing temple runs, how do you guys think Thomas and Veronica would fare if they had another Shrine run from Season 3? Even though they sucked ass in Bifocal Monocle, their temple run was also kind of cruel was the dead end path. What if the Orange Iguanas had the Bandit Queen layout? Veronica wouldn't have to worry about climbing walls in that run at all. Would they have more success than in Bifocal Monocle?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 26, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
Yeah, Priceless Portrait was very exciting. Kristen was even closer than Nate to escaping the temple. I find both Priceless Portrait and Good Luck Watch much more eventful and exciting than Royal Torque. I really don't consider Royal Torque "the best Red Jaguar loss ever." Far from it, that title goes to Napoleon. Royal Torque to me is just plain boring.

And I doubt Veronica and Thomas would've won even if they had a Roland layout. Wall climbing problems aside, they were just too slow.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 26, 2014, 11:26:38 PM
Yeah, Veronica and Thomas wouldn't have even reached the artifact in Roland.  :shock: Some temple teams would've sucked ass no matter what layout you gave them. It would be another Snow Cone type run where Veronica would screw around the bottom floor of the temple and she might be able to reach the Hunting Horn at best. It's just like giving Lauren and Brett the Sforza layout where they would still lose despite it being really simple.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on March 27, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
Another contestant I'd like to bring to the front of our discussion is Mike from Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean. As PPF pointed out here:

Interesting stuff there. Based on that list, Leah, Mike, and Jessica were the fastest.

Mike was one of the fastest contestants to enter the temple. He completed his third room with 2:22 left on the clock, making him the fastest male front runner of Season 3. He completed six rooms and entered his seventh before getting removed from the temple with 1:22 left on the clock. In other words, he got though half of the rooms' objectives in half of the allotted time- that's pretty quick, in my book. Mike had one of the fastest Shrine completions and had an overall strong performance. Although he wasn't "sprinting" through the temple, he made great time and was efficient in all of his rooms. In fact, I'd say his overall performance was pretty flawless, even though some may argue that his choice to go into the Tomb of the Headless Kings instead of the King's Storeroom cost the team more time. Yet, whenever this episode is mentioned, Mike is deemed an "average" and "boring" contestant. Is this a fair assessment of his performance?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on March 27, 2014, 03:30:18 PM
I can’t believe anyone would say anything bad about Mike. I am not a fan of Thornwood Gavel, but this has nothing to do with Mike. He was a solid front runner in the temple and made great time. Not to mention, he had the fastest Silver Monkey assembly on the show. It was Kelli that completely ruined this run. With 1:22 to herself and path cleared all the way to the Room of the Secret Password, she had more than enough time to grab the Thornwood Gavel. Instead, she blows this run by running into incomplete rooms and moving like a slug. I never had a problem with Mike at all, I totally blame this loss on Kelli. How anyone could call him average are probably the fans think that think only Gator and Zac matter. I remember outer space use to criticize him for the direct path, but he made it far in the temple and left Kelli plenty of time. Even if he started at the top, this team still would’ve lost thanks to her. Also, I am pretty sure Kirk criticizes Mike in the temple run too for being too hesitant? Kirk is full of crap sometimes.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 27, 2014, 03:38:59 PM
Yeah, Mike was a great player. He even assembled the monkey in THE fastest time. Didn't he do it in 9 seconds? Kelli was completely to blame for why the team lost. She had a whole 1:22 to herself, but was a poor planner. She should've just followed Mike's path, and leave all the other uncleared rooms alone. I don't blame Mike one bit for entering the Tomb instead of the King's Storeroom. It may not be the best route to take, but it's either that, or waste too much time climbing the Pit walls. Contestants like Sherra and Halie did the same thing. Mike was a solid player, it was Kelli who ruined the whole temple run. Also, didn't Kirk accuse David from Enormous Feather for "being too hesitant?" David was Speedy Gonzales compared to Karisa.
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on April 25, 2015, 03:16:17 PM
One comparison I always wanted to do was how long a player truly lasted in the temple.

A bit after the fact, but here is that comparison for the Season 3 frontrunners.

EpisodeContestantRemoval RoomRooms EnteredTime Left on Clock
Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed JackVeronicaKing’s Storeroom50:42
Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the ConquerorOliviaTomb of the Headless Kings 32:17
War Fan of the Forty-Seven RoninJeremySecret Password 71:07
Much-Heralded Helmet of Sir GawainTiffaniN/AN/AN/A
Lion-Headed Bracelet of ChandraguptaAndreaN/AN/AN/A
Lion-Slashed Jacket of SacajaweaLaurenKing’s Storeroom 51:17
Secret Map of the Bandit QueenMiriamDark Forest 51:17
Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy BeanMikeSecret Password 71:22
Snow Cone of Mount KilimanjaroCaseyDark Forest 50:59
Upside-Down Compass of Henry HudsonSherraKing’s Storeroom 61:05
Bent Shaving Pan of Jedidiah SmithIrishAncient Warriors 70:30
Marble Armrest of XerxesNoelleQuicksand Bog 71:03
Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick DouglassJasonDark Forest 80:30
Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial WizardJaredQuicksand Bog 80:46
Useless Map of the Chibcha ChieftainHallieTomb of the Headless Kings 32:30
Golden Spider Web of Robert the BruceChristineAncient Warriors 51:49
Discarded Seal of Ivan the TerribleTravisSilver Monkey 81:14
Mysterious Manuscript of Mary ShelleyKateSilver Monkey61:13
Dried Apple Half of William TellBrettTomb of the Headless Kings 60:56
Missing Portrait of Hans HolbeinRachelAncient Warriors 51:24
Ivory Hunting Horn of RolandYakerraN/AN/AN/A
Royal Torque of Queen BoadiceaLissyChamber of the Sacred Markers31:56
Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate CaptainJessicaAncient Warriors 61:32
Enormous Feather of the Me LinhDavidDark Forest 51:57
Red Sash of Tokugawa IeyasuBrandySecret Password 61:21
Broken Trident of PoseidonKimberlyN/A N/AN/A
Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis IKatieSilver Monkey 60:51
Mussel-Shell Armor of ApanuugpakAmandaDark Forest 51:32
Metal Beard of the Egyptian QueenTJDark Forest 51:56
Mummified Hand of the Egyptian KingMaggieTomb of the Headless Kings 32:20
Lost Taj Mahal Turban of AurangzebDeanSilver Monkey 61:07
Melted Head of Madame TussaudNickAncient Warriors 60:45
Pearl Necklace of GwaliorRyanSilver Monkey 61:27
Bullet-Riddled Handbag of Belle BoydLeahDark Forest 71:00
Lost Whale Bone of PytheasBrittanySilver Monkey 71:22
Dried Ear of Corn of Sojourner TruthEddieAncient Warriors 41:48
Jeweled Scabbard of SforzaLaceyChamber of the Sacred Markers41:35
Good-Luck Watch of Empress EugenieJaneenSilver Monkey 51:30
Ruby Earring of BenzibabAnnieTomb of the Headless Kings 32:35
Jewel-Encrusted Egg of Catherine the GreatKrisTomb of the Headless Kings 32:28
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 14, 2015, 08:12:27 PM
I am impressed in how much time Brittany from Pytheas was removed from the temple with. As much criticism as she gets for moving slow, she actually left Damien with enough time in the temple.  Hell, she even made better time than Irish from Bent Shaving Pan who gets a lot of sympathy for her one room away guard. Also, I always forget how Annie was removed the quickest from the temple.  :o
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: NikoMetsPlus on July 27, 2016, 01:57:27 PM
I was watching "The Lucky Medallion of Atocha", and I noticed something that I've never noticed before. As Ty is crossing the gate with the Medallion, you can see that he starts to trip down the steps. Then, when he is about two steps from the bottom (and looks like he's about to fall), the angle switches to him at the bottom, where he seems like he has been out of breath for a while, and stopped running a while ago, and Ty's excitement seems to have decreased.

Watch for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRRZouCMav4

This could be nothing, but after rewatching the clip a few times, I also notice that the audience (which is present) seems to have a producer generated applause at a strange time, not when he crossed the gate, but after the scene changes.

My hypothesis is that Ty feel, he got up gave a hug, and they edited out the fall. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 27, 2016, 10:27:17 PM
I never noticed that before about the ending to the Atocha run.  :lol: When Ty runs past Olmec, you can see him stumbling a little bit and then it's like he teleports to the bottom where Kirk and Jennifer are. It's possible that he tripped during the ending and they wanted to refilm it to make it look better? Interesting find though and I like how to this day we can still find quirks about the various temple runs.  :mrorange: Also, the Emiliano Zapata run had a weird edit when Olivia-Emma was in the Observatory. Which was taped right after Atocha. ;)

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This could be nothing, but after rewatching the clip a few times, I also notice that the audience (which is present) seems to have a producer generated applause at a strange time, not when he crossed the gate, but after the scene changes.

This is actually true, there was a stage hand off screen that was coordinating the audience to make gestures and sounds at certain times. A while ago, there was this neat video called the "Legends Wrap Video" for Season 1 of the show where it showed footage of behind the scenes of the S1 Legends episodes. There were some scenes where the stage hands coordinated the audience to do different interactions. ;)
Title: Re: Analysis and Comparison of Temple Run Contestants
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on July 29, 2016, 09:25:52 AM
How could I have missed that this whole time. The celebration does look less enthusiastic, and this is because it's a different take. This is like the Freydis ending where they had to re-shoot the ending due to Tarrah puking. The producers try to make everything exciting without changing the result. I think it was in Zac's interview that they had to re-shoot the ending of a Temple Game.