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Title: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on October 14, 2012, 10:29:53 AM
Is it possible if we started another tournament, this time with all 120 episodes in it?
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 14, 2012, 03:01:10 PM
I'd be personally against it. It would take too long.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 11, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
I'd still be pretty against it, unless we figured it out a way to break the episode amounts down in brackets. Or however else we'd figure it out. And, as long as it wasn't an outright game in the temple games section.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 11, 2012, 05:29:03 PM
It would be where TRJ did his Tourney, and they will be in brackets that I'm planning just in case
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 11, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Something's totally wrong with those rankings GM1. Cricket Cage ahead of Alhambra? :?
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 11, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
Something's totally wrong with those rankings GM1. Cricket Cage ahead of Alhambra? :?

I hate both episodes, The Red Jaguars only went because of the failed tiebreaker by the Silver Snakes, so with that reason, Khan is surprisingly ahead of Alhambra, even though both will be kicked out by Atocha and Billy the Kid if we did the Tourney
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 11, 2012, 09:30:34 PM
You could always double up the matchups. Believe me, I have hosted plenty of tournaments that had way more seeds than 32 like we used for the "Best Legends Win Tournament". If you did it that way, it would take almost the same amount of time as the Legends Win tournament. I personally don't think of it as a bad idea and it would be nice to look at a whole episode than just a temple run.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 11, 2012, 09:33:39 PM
I could even host it or set it up if you like. I have done plenty of tournaments on other forums and I could make an 120 seed tournament last about a month like the previous one I made. There is really not much to it. ;)
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 11, 2012, 09:35:36 PM
Since brackets are usually set up in intervals of 2^x, the closest interval would be 128. Since there were 120 episodes, four match ups could go unopposed in the second tier and move directly into the third round.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 11, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
There are 120 episodes, and you can split them up into two brackets:

Bracket 1:
20 Season 1 episodes
20 Season 2 episodes
20 Season 3 episodes

Bracket 2:
20 Season 1 episodes
20 Season 2 episodes
20 Season 3 episodes

Too bad we are 8 episodes short of a perfect bracket. But there are ways around that. ;)
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 11, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
Since brackets are usually set up in intervals of 2^x, the closest interval would be 128. Since there were 120 episodes, four match ups could go unopposed in the second tier and move directly into the third round.

We could give the 8 episodes from the Quarter Finals in my Best Legends Win tournament a bye. That would be Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress, Egyptian Queen, Pirate Captain, Apanuugpak, Emiliano Zapata, Bandit Queen, Freydis, and Atocha would just move onto immediately the next round. Just an idea.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 11, 2012, 10:15:27 PM
Here are my plans, we would use the 128-seed bracket, give the eight episodes that I seeded earlier a first round bye, then matchup just like the best win Tourney
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 11, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Since brackets are usually set up in intervals of 2^x, the closest interval would be 128. Since there were 120 episodes, four match ups could go unopposed in the second tier and move directly into the third round.

We could give the 8 episodes from the Quarter Finals in my Best Legends Win tournament a bye. That would be Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress, Egyptian Queen, Pirate Captain, Apanuugpak, Emiliano Zapata, Bandit Queen, Freydis, and Atocha would just move onto immediately the next round. Just an idea.

I'd say most of those, not Egyptian Queen, Emiliano Zapata, and Atocha, I was thinking Annie Taylor, Catherine the Great, and John Sutter instead of those episodes
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 11, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
I'd have to agree with TRJ's list of eight episodes to earn the bye over GM1's list. TRJ's list was garnered from everybody's input in a previous bracket, not just a thrown-together list made by one person.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 11, 2012, 11:17:42 PM
There are 120 episodes, and you can split them up into two brackets:

Bracket 1:
20 Season 1 episodes
20 Season 2 episodes
20 Season 3 episodes

Bracket 2:
20 Season 1 episodes
20 Season 2 episodes
20 Season 3 episodes

Too bad we are 8 episodes short of a perfect bracket. But there are ways around that. ;)
This is what I like the best. Episodes are split up in groups of 20 in two different brackets. Not sure if anyone is still up for this idea or this is what you are talking about right now, but I like this set up the best.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 11, 2012, 11:27:29 PM
Didn't realize there was a poll until now. :P

I said no. It would take too long, not enough people would play, and we already know which runs suck and which ones don't. Sorry.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 11, 2012, 11:32:13 PM
I originally voted no, for the same reasons you did. Even though the turnout for the "Top 32 wins" bracket was pretty good. I voted "Unsure," as it could work out, but as long as enough people stop by and vote.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 11, 2012, 11:38:44 PM
Didn't realize there was a poll until now. :P

I said no. It would take too long, not enough people would play, and we already know which runs suck and which ones don't. Sorry.

Actually, it would take the same amount of time as it did for the "Best Legends Win" tournament if we used the format I proposed. It might take longer by 4-5 days at most than the previous tournament. But it definitely would take a little over a month to complete, which isn't very long at all. The only difference is that there will be more matchups in one day. But then again, they are all polls in the first place so it will only take less than 30 seconds to vote. Unless you want to provide feedback, which is always optional even in the original tournament. ;)

And I was thinking that GM1 was doing it on more of the basis for the entire episode rather than temple runs. If we were doing temple runs anyways, I am sure the same four runs from the last tournament would make it to the Semi-finals. There are actually some episodes with bad temple run but with redeeming points in other areas of it. I don't think it is a bad idea to give it a try. ;)

Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 12, 2012, 12:01:58 AM
I messed around with the bracket a little bit, and here is what I came up for the first bracket:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=436735 (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=436735)

These are just 60 episodes that were picked by a list randomizer and then mainly matched up for the tournament. This is just a sample though and obviously the matchups will be mixed up for the official tournament. Since Pirate Captain, Annie Taylor, Egyptian Queen, and Milk Bucket were in the final 8 for the Best Legends Win tournament, they get a first round bye.

The other 60 episodes would be simply placed into the other bracket and randomly matched up.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 12, 2012, 06:37:23 AM
Actually, the seeds were determined by actually the Results of the old Hurt and Heal Legends episodes to make it a fair tourney so this would be like a Legends Style March Madness or something like that. Even though it won't be in March. The Hurt and Heal was probably the best source for the seeding.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 12, 2012, 07:06:45 AM
Didn't realize there was a poll until now. :P

I said no. It would take too long, not enough people would play, and we already know which runs suck and which ones don't. Sorry.
I originally voted no, for the same reasons you did. Even though the turnout for the "Top 32 wins" bracket was pretty good. I voted "Unsure," as it could work out, but as long as enough people stop by and vote.

I was thinking 8 matchups during the 120 round, 64 round, and 32 round; 4 for Sweet Sixteen; 2 for Elite Eight. And one for the Final four and Championship per day
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 12, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
Actually, the seeds were determined by actually the Results of the old Hurt and Heal Legends episodes to make it a fair tourney so this would be like a Legends Style March Madness or something like that. Even though it won't be in March. The Hurt and Heal was probably the best source for the seeding.

You have the right idea by using a list that was created by multiple users votes, but the final list itself is kind of flawed. If you place all the good episodes against each other and all the bad episodes against each other, then the good episodes will end up getting shafted while the bad ones get to advance on. The randomized method ensures that not all of the bad episodes are paired with bad episodes. Sure, you do get lopsided matchups sometimes. But it ensures only the best of the best will win.

Didn't realize there was a poll until now. :P

I said no. It would take too long, not enough people would play, and we already know which runs suck and which ones don't. Sorry.
I originally voted no, for the same reasons you did. Even though the turnout for the "Top 32 wins" bracket was pretty good. I voted "Unsure," as it could work out, but as long as enough people stop by and vote.

I was thinking 8 matchups during the 120 round, 64 round, and 32 round; 4 for Sweet Sixteen; 2 for Elite Eight. And one for the Final four and Championship per day

If you split them into 2 brackets and double up the matchups, then it will take 16 days to complete each bracket. Then the winners of the two different brackets will face off in the finals to determine the best episode. I think that method is better and it will take just as long as the Best Legends Win tournament.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 12, 2012, 11:56:24 AM
If someone makes a tournament, I'll do it. If not, so be it. It wouldn't be the end of the world to me if the tournament didn't happen, but I'll participate if it gets put together.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 12, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
If someone makes a tournament, I'll do it. If not, so be it. It wouldn't be the end of the world to me if the tournament didn't happen, but I'll participate if it gets put together.

I'd be all for it too and vote in it. I think doing it on Legends episodes would be a great idea because we hardly ever talk about Legends episodes as a whole.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 12, 2012, 12:40:56 PM
If we did one, this would be the seeds (1-8 get a 1st Round Bye)

1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. Apanuugpak
3. Pirate Captain
4. Annie Taylor
5. Catherine the Great
6. John Sutter
7. Bandit Queen
8. Freydis
9. Atocha
10. Billy the Kid
11. Buddha
12. Nostradamus
13. Galileo
14. Chandragupta
15. Emiliano Zapata
16. Sforza
17. Egyptian Queen
18. BENZIBAB!!!!!!!
19. Roland
20. Sultan Saladin
21. Ivan the Terrible
22. Sir Gawain
23. Henry Morgan
24. The Trojan Horseshoe
25. Polynesian Girl
26. Queen Boadicea
27. Empress Eugenie
28. Ahmed Baba
29. Dragon Lady
30. Davy Crockett
31. Cleopatra
32. Babe
33. Genghis Khan
34. Napoleon
35. Dr. Livingston
36. Annie Oakley
37. Johnny Appleseed
38. William the Conqueror
39. Aurangzeb
40. Empress Theodora
41. Queen Nzinga
42. Sir Edmund Hillary
43. Egyptian King
44. Chibcha Chieftan
45. Montezuma
46. Charles Lindbergh
47. Belle Boyd
48. Leonardo da Vinci
49. Blackfeet Chief
50. Ponce de Leon
51. The Man in the Iron Mask
52. Alexander
53. Icarus
54. Joan of Arc
55. Henry VIII
56. Scheherazade
57. Jedidiah Smith
58. Gwalior
59. Geronimo
60. Belshazzar
61. Kamehameha
62. David
63. Judge Roy Bean
64. Tokugawa Ieyasu
65.  :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
66. Dolley Madison
67. Sultan Suleiman
68. Atahualpa
69. Henry Hudson
70. Magellan
71. Leif Erickson
72. Wild Bill Hickok
73. Hannibal
74. Benjamin Franklin
75. Imperial Wizard
76. Pecos Bill
77. Butch Cassidy
78. Mulan
79. Catherine De' Medici
80. Mata Hari
81. 47 Ronin
82. Poseidon
83. Shaka Zulu
84. Sacagawea
85. Captain John Smith
86. Atilla the Hun
87. Zenobia
88. Anne Bonny
89. Madame Tussaud
90. Clovis the First
91. Evil King
92. Harriet Tubman
93. King Tut
94. Amelia Earhart
95. Efoua
96. Shiva
97. Sojourner Truth
98. Ali Baba
99. Xerxes
100. Hans Holbein
101. Mary Shelly
102. Pytheas
103. Frederick Douglass
104. Delphi
105. Cosa Rara
106. Jean Lafitte
107. Robert the Bruce
108. Nathan Hale
109. Elizabeth I
110. Me Linh
111. Little John
112. Blackbeard
113. Grandy Nanny
114. Spanish King
115. William Tell
116. John Henry
117. Mt. Kilimanjaro
118. One-Eyed Jack
119. Khan
120. Alhambra

This choice is up to you if we should do this.

Actually, the seeds were determined by actually the Results of the old Hurt and Heal Legends episodes to make it a fair tourney so this would be like a Legends Style March Madness or something like that. Even though it won't be in March. The Hurt and Heal was probably the best source for the seeding.

You have the right idea by using a list that was created by multiple users votes, but the final list itself is kind of flawed. If you place all the good episodes against each other and all the bad episodes against each other, then the good episodes will end up getting shafted while the bad ones get to advance on. The randomized method ensures that not all of the bad episodes are paired with bad episodes. Sure, you do get lopsided matchups sometimes. But it ensures only the best of the best will win.

Didn't realize there was a poll until now. :P

I said no. It would take too long, not enough people would play, and we already know which runs suck and which ones don't. Sorry.
I originally voted no, for the same reasons you did. Even though the turnout for the "Top 32 wins" bracket was pretty good. I voted "Unsure," as it could work out, but as long as enough people stop by and vote.

I was thinking 8 matchups during the 120 round, 64 round, and 32 round; 4 for Sweet Sixteen; 2 for Elite Eight. And one for the Final four and Championship per day

If you split them into 2 brackets and double up the matchups, then it will take 16 days to complete each bracket. Then the winners of the two different brackets will face off in the finals to determine the best episode. I think that method is better and it will take just as long as the Best Legends Win tournament.

First of all I don't know where you got the bad episodes vs bad episodes it's gonna be good episodes vs bad episodes or average vs average in the first round according to my seeding. I was thinking like a March Madness way of a brackets but TRJ's idea for a bracket is really good, I could see the ideas merging together
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 12, 2012, 06:01:37 PM
This would be the bracket if we did the tournament (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?edit=1&tid=436772&tclass=)

That link doesn't bring up a bracket... it brings up the "Bracket Maker" home page/log in screen.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 12, 2012, 06:14:56 PM
I'll get that problem fixed Here (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=436772)  Just click on Championship Bracket when you get there
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 12, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
This would be the bracket if we did the tournament (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?edit=1&tid=436772&tclass=)

That link doesn't bring up a bracket... it brings up the "Bracket Maker" home page/log in screen.

This is how the first bracket would look like (fixed the link).

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=436735 (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=436735)

But GM1 has his own bracket now, but that was just a sample of my idea.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 12, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
I still think that a random generator would be more conducive than using a predetermined seeding, since the seeding already ranks the episodes. There wouldn't be any surprising match ups, and the final standings of the episodes are already defined, based on the way that bracket is structured. By formatting the bracket to have the #1 go against the #120 in the first round, it is obvious that the #1 team is going to win. If you continue that pattern throughout the bracket, the top half will move on each round, until the final match up is #1 versus #2. That isn't so exciting or enticing. At least with a random generator, there is a chance for some match ups to be more exciting and for the later match ups to be not as obvious.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 13, 2012, 06:29:09 PM
So you're saying that with my bracket, that the finals no matter what will always be Lawrence of Arabia vs Apanuugpak
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 13, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
So you're saying that with my bracket, that the finals no matter what will always be Lawrence of Arabia vs Apanuugpak

It may not necessarily be Lawrence of Arabia vs Apanuugpak, but it would be two of the top-seeded episodes. There wouldn't be any competitive eliminations up until the finals (or final few match ups). With a random generator, there might be a number of competitive eliminations throughout the duration of the competition. There would be much more variety in the match ups, and while there may be a few obvious competitions, the random nature of the match ups would provide a better playing field for eliminations.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 13, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
My bracket just helps get the bad episodes out of the way do they can be eliminated first. A random generator is possible too

BTW. There are like a zillion ways of the seeding of this tourney.

Anyway. I'll give till Saturday Night to let everyone choose here either yes or no. Remember, The Choices are Yours and Yours Alone.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 13, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
My bracket just helps get the bad episodes out of the way do they can be eliminated first. A random generator is possible too.

Regardless of when they get eliminated, "bad episodes" (however you constitute that) will be eliminated. If they deserve to move on more than their counterpart, then they will. That is the point of setting up this competition. Even if two "bad" episodes are matched up in a round, the better of the two won't make it too much further in the competition because there will be, at one point or another, an episode that is comparably "better" than it. But if you set up the bracket in a way that forces certain episodes to be eliminated before others, then you might as well just not have the competition in the first place, since you've already predetermined the outcome of the competition.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 13, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
 :oops: I take that back, random will do just as long as the eight episodes I mentioned earlier have byes (Lawrence of Arabia, Apanuugpak, Pirate Captain, Annie Taylor, Catherine the Great, John Sutter, Bandit Queen, and Freydis), then Shuffle the others
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 14, 2012, 06:25:27 PM
Do I make sense in saying that using the pre-seeded structure ultimately will greatly impact the outcome of the competition in that, in a way, a pre-seeded list nearly always automatically eliminates the lower-seeded contender?

And also, in the poll, do you mean to say "Yes, with modifications" instead of "Yes, with modifactions"?
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 17, 2012, 12:58:56 PM
Forgot to set a poll closing time at 9pm central for tonight.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 17, 2012, 10:21:52 PM
Odds in favor of having a tourney!
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 18, 2012, 01:26:17 AM
I am sure it will be fun even if it might turning out to be longer than usual. At least it gives us something to talk about.  :mrred:
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 18, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
 We're having a tournament!!!!! :D 8) Just give some ideas about how this tournament should work.
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on November 18, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
I think the most active and engaging format would be to use the brackets, but not seeded (for reasons stated previously).
Title: Re: Episode Tournament
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 19, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
There will be 3 Randomized brackets That I'll work on later this week, If you are wondering, according to my original plan is having this be the first round (Byes, Lawrence of Arabia, Apanuugpac, Pirate Captain, Annie Taylor, Catherine the Great, John Sutter, Bandit Queen, and Freydis)

Tokugawa Ieyasu vs  :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Babe vs Sojourner Truth
Genghis Khan vs Shiva
Sforza vs Grandy Nanny
Blackfeet Chief vs Mata Hari
Egyptian Queen vs Blackbeard
Leonardo da Vinci vs 47 Ronin
Jedidiah Smith vs Wild Bill Hickok
Polynesian Girl vs Delphi
Empress Theodora vs Madame Tussaud
Atocha vs Alhambra
Schereherazade vs Hannibal
The Trojan Horseshoe vs Cosa Rara
Queen Nzinga vs Anne Bonny
Kamehameha vs Atahualpa
Dragon Lady vs Hans Holbein
Annie Oakley vs King Tut
Galileo vs John Henry
Alexander vs Butch Cassidy
Sultan Saladin vs Elizabeth I
Montezuma vs Sacagawea
Belshazzar vs Henry Hudson
Ahmed Baba vs Mary Shelly
Johnny Appleseed vs Harriet Tubman
Nostradamus vs Mt. Kilimanjaro
Icarus vs Pecos Bill
Ivan the Terrible vs Nathan Hale
Chibcha Chieftan vs Captain John Smith
Judge Roy Bean vs Dolley Madison
Cleopatra vs Ali Baba
Napoleon vs Efoua
Emiliano Zapata vs Spanish King
Ponce de' Leon vs Catherine de' Medici
BENZIBAB!!!! vs Little John
Belle Boyd vs Poseidon
Gwalior vs Leif Erickson
Queen Boadicea vs Frederick Douglass
Aurangzeb vs Clovis the First
Billy the Kid vs Khan
Henry VIII vs Jean Lafitte
Sir Edmund Hillary vs Zenobia
David vs Sultan Suleiman
Davy Crockett vs Xerxes
Dr. Livingston vs Amelia Earhart
Chandragupta vs William Tell
Man in the Iron Mask vs Mulan
Roland vs Me Linh
Charles Lindbergh vs Shaka Zulu
Geronimo vs Magellan
Empress Eugenie vs Pytheas
William the Conqueror vs Evil King
Buddha vs One Eyed Jack
Joan de Arc vs Imperial Wizard
Sir Gawain vs Robert the Bruce
Egyptian King vs Atilla the Hun

Again this is a rough draft, there will be three others that I will be working on for the brackets. Later this week, you will vote on which one will work for the Tourney!