So is it possible that Jonathan may have messed up the Tomb of the Headless Kings door in the "William the Conqueror" run? I mean the "War Fan" run was taped right after his run. I mean the door opened just fine when Jeremy entered the room. But when he started to pull the vines, it kind of looks like he bumped the door close. I think it was honest mistake though despite what Kirk said in the run (which sounds dubbed over anyways.) And I noticed that the Chamber door in the Pit is initially locked when Jeremy knocks the pillar down. Yet, when Elise enters the Pit, that door is open. I guessed it open when Jeremy completed the Chamber's objective?
And as far as the "awkward guard" from the Very Tall Turban episode, it may have been that Shane got his foot caught in the netting in the Swamp, and the guard switched into "spotter/rigger" mode to see if he was okay.
While we're on the topic of odd locations for artifacts, I had a question about the Sacred Ring of Sultan Suleiman... The Ring was placed on the finger of one of the trees. If the contestant reached the Ring, would they have had to pry it off of the finger or slide it off of the finger, and then continue their escape from the temple?
And were there any other episodes where the artifact was positioned in a similar manner (integrated into/onto a prop)? The only time I can think of that even comes close to that is the Two-Cornered Hat of Napoleon being perched on the of the clay pots in the King's Storeroom.
PP319, the "Stolen Arm" indeed switched positions in that episode. It was first perched on the ledge in front of the Bamboo Forest, but during the temple rundown you can see it in the mass of bamboo sticks, as evident in PP4L's picture. I am not sure why it switched positions, but it also happened in "The Codebook of Mata Hari":
The image on the left is from when Olmec reveals the location for the Codebook after telling his legend. The image on the right is the Codebook's position during the temple rundown. The Codebook is placed on top of a pile of rocks for the temple run, I guess to make it easier for the contestants to grab.
At first, I thought that was some Green Monkey player. :shock: I guess its suppose to be a crew member though. I am not sure what they are doing in the Pit though. I guess they are going to get prepared for the next temple run? Either that, or they were gathering their equipment since wasn't the "Golden Pepperoni" episode the last one for the day anyways?
Yeah, people have theorized that it was either Christina or Tarrah that puked in the Pit according to Kirk's interview. People even claim that the "Nathan Hale" run was postponed because of that particular reason. However, I don't think it was her that puked in the Pit. As PP4L mentioned, the team didn't even enter the lower part of the Pit at all during the run. As for the reason why the temple run was postponed is a mystery, but "Belshazzar" was also postponed to and both episodes were on the first production day of their respective seasons, so it shouldn't be too hard to see why her run was postponed.Others have theorized the different colored pots in the King's Storeroom between "Silver Horseshoe" and "Ali Baba's" temple runs. And there was some sort of production error behind that. But, that's another story....
I do agree that it could've been Tarrah though. I mean we get that weird shot of her in the Pit when she is about to enter the Tomb of the Headless Kings and she turns towards the camera for a moment. And then in the next shot, she is in the crawl space entering the room. I remember someone said that Tarrah jumped over the Pit was due to her not wanting to jump into her barf. But I think that is thinking way too much about it.Yeah, that's possible, and that's what everyone else theorized. But I agree, jumping just to avoid the spot she puked in is thinking way too much into it. I know some people are emetphobic (sp?), but that doesn't mean that alone was the reason Tarrah jumped across the Pit.
Okay, that makes sense. But I don't see how that in any way would correlate to Christina possibly being the person who got ill...I really don't see Christina as a likely candidate either. Mainly because Kirk Fogg stated in the interview where we found out that a female contestant once got ill in the Pit was allowed to stop and take a rest, but then had to immediately carry on. The interviewers expressed shock that the girl had to keep going, if anyone remembers.
I think they have different Pots from every episode in The King's Storeroom
Where did the key theory come from for the "Nathan Hale" run? I never heard it before. Does it have something to do with there being two keys in the "Grandy Nanny" temple run?
So let me make sure I understand:
As you can see in this photo (courtesy video posted by OlmecFan25 on youtube.com), the pots in Episode 41 are different from those in Episodes 43 and 44, but the ones in Episodes 43 and 44 are the same. The pots were not smashed in either Episode 41 or 43. Also note that in the photo in the lower right, two keys are present during the Temple Run.
Using these facts, it makes the most sense that no keys were present in the pots from Episode 41 (and the first run of Episode 42), and the key that was meant to be placed inside, instead accidentally ended up being placed in with the second key for the next set of pots (seen in Episodes 43 and 44). The lack of having a key did not affect Episode 41's run, since they did not have to complete the King's Storeroom objective.
Since the Secret Battle Plan (Episode 42) was originally in the Throne Room, the team would have been forced to go from the Pit to either the Observatory or Heart Room, into the King's Storeroom, around the horn, and down to the Swamp; there was no way that the production team would have just had them go down the central shaft to reach the artifact. Therefore, the team was forced to smash the pots in the King's Storeroom in order to advance, but the key was not there. Since it was the first production day with the new director, they were probably short on time and did not have time to retape the run, but instead postponed it to a later date. Therefore, the layout changed between the rest of the episode and the featured run for Episode 42. Since the Throne Room no longer existed in the new layout, the room in which the artifact was located needed to be changed, and the shot of the artifact during the Steps of Knowledge needed to be edited.
Then, since the pots were smashed during the original Episode 42 run, they were replaced for Episode 43. They were not smashed in Episode 43, so they were left for the Episode 44 run, where two keys are found to have been residing inside the same pot... the culprit!
Corollary: The reason that Episode 42 was delayed was that there was a production error involving the key in the King's Storeroom, not that Christina was ill.
Does this agree with what everybody else is thinking, or am I still not understanding the whole idea correctly?
Yeah, that's exactly what the theory is (at least to me).
Yeah, I noticed that detail before in the "Henry Hudson" run too. Its very obvious that the door to the Chamber-Pit did not open until sometime after Sherra completed the Chamber objective. I am not sure why this happened though. Perhaps it was a delayed door or it was programmed to open incorrectly? I don't recall any other runs that did this where a door opened later once a team completed an objective. I remember people like outer space use to give Sherra a hard time for taking the direct path, but this is evidence that she had no choice but to go down into the Tomb of the Headless Kings.
As for the King's Storeroom, I am not sure why the door opened. Maybe it was just suppose to be a useless detour where if the team was inattentive, they would enter that room. Didn't that happen in "The War Fan of the 47 Ronin" too where the King's Storeroom opened for Jeremy along with the Ancient Warrior door? I don't remember. But the door to the King's Storeroom didn't open from the Pit though in the "Henry Hudson" run. So I am not sure again what happened there. It kind of reminds me of "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean" where Michael avoided the King's Storeroom altogether while Kelli goes up there for no reason. Except in that run, the King's Storeroom door opened from the Pit.
As for Shaka Zulu, the Holes of Python had to be a production error. I don't think the producers would give Bobby a layout THAT easy. The treasure chest being opened indicates he definitely would have entered that room instead.
I honestly never understood how people like outer space considered that to be a direct path. If the contestant was forced into the direct path route, than I don't consider it a direct path. Which is why I never agreed that Sherra, Leah from "Belle Boyd", and Ryan from "Gwalior" took a direct path.
I mean the direct path was the only choice for runs like "The Keys to the Alhambra", "The Mush Pot Hat of Johnny Appleseed", and "The Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard". Its not like those teams had other choices. Although it is possible that the "Alhambra" team might've had an alternate route on the top floor. But the Heart Room-Golden Idols door was locked for Lisa... :oYou mean "The Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb?" Although I suppose that could apply to the "Imperial Wizard" episode as well.
One thing that I find interesting about the "Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass" episode is that Kirk swears that the teams are searching for a "Smashing Printing Press." Also, when Olmec reveals its location, he calls the room "The Tomb of Ancient Kings" instead of the "Tomb of the Headless Kings." Kind of a throwback from Season One, eh?
There was also an actuator next to the door leading to the Quicksand Bog from the Room of the Secret Password. However, I am pretty sure the actuator was inactive so I don't know why it was there in the first place.
It's hard to get a photo of it, but there was also the fact that in the boys' individual game of "Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass," Jason continued throwing newspapers when his opponent fell off his bronco. It was never explicitly stated that he wasn't supposed to stop while the other contestant got back up, but it seemed unusual that they allowed him to continue. Either way, Jason got a much higher score, so it probably wouldn't have mattered regardless of whether he was forced to stop throwing newspapers. But I thought I'd mention it anyway.
Yeah, that's another example of potential cheating I was gonna bring up. I do think Jason actually did cheat in that game. Even though the rules of the game never said you had to wait for your opponent.
Yeah, that's probably it. Although, I'm pretty sure those same Red and Purple things were also seen during the temple games for "Galileo's Cannonball" as well. Why, I don't know. Also, notice how Katherine and the Purple Parrot girl were wearing just water shorts during the temple games? Must have been just part of that "first episode" quirk.
In "Gordian Knot," for the rock climbing game, the players had to wear yellow sweatpants instead of their shorts. And they wore the sweatpants for the whole round too. Methinks this was done to reduce the scratches contestants got from that game.Yeah, that's probably it. Although, I'm pretty sure those same Red and Purple things were also seen during the temple games for "Galileo's Cannonball" as well. Why, I don't know. Also, notice how Katherine and the Purple Parrot girl were wearing just water shorts during the temple games? Must have been just part of that "first episode" quirk.
Didn't that happen in a Season 1 episode later in the season? Maybe it was in "Gordian Knot"?
Good find, I love when we see views of the temple that we normally don't. In this case, the camera even goes slightly off the temple's set. I always wondered how it was like to watch a temple run from the audience's view? It definitely wouldn't be the same that we are use to. Would be nice though to see how it looked from that angle. :o
First one has the red circle I drew. That's clearly a cameraman. The second picture looks like his camera had a cord plugged into it. I always found these two pictures to be odd. They're just unusual. Imagine if Jarrid had tripped over that cord. There would be lawsuits if that cord somehow cost him the win or gave him an injury. :P
Plus, sometimes you'd see camera people in the temple. Some used to confuse the camera/stage hands as temple guards walking around.
It was pretty obvious that the Cave of Sighs temple guard was put there as a "direct path trick." However, I think the team would have had a better chance at winning had Eusinia been taken out sooner. Just as long as David grabbed the half pendant and used it in the Shrine. Even though the Cave would have been a useless detour, a win could have still been plausible.
Someone needs to get a shot of the Cave of Sighs in the " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:" run though. I am really interested if there was actually a guard in there that Jeremy and Erika might've avoided.
Thank you for the pictures, that cleared up the Cave of Sighs guard for me. ;)
As for the Observatory, its hard to tell if the temple guard was in there after rewatching the run. To me though, the Observatory seems like the only logical place for that last temple guard. Unless there was another alternate route in the Treasure Room to the Holes of Python. But that doesn't make sense though because the Shrine door was unlocked anyways. Its a really weird layout and I wish the producers would've revealed the temple guard locations at the end of every temple run. That would've been pretty neat.
I have to completely disagree about the Purple Parrots going to the temple in "Elizabeth the First's Golden Ship." If you look at the above photo, the Red Jaguars had A LOT more pieces on the board than the Purple Parrots. Had that "proper position only" not been enforced, the Red Jaguars still would have gone to the temple 1.5-1. The final score would've been 4-1, not the 1-0 that was counted.
And speaking of S1 temple games, I am going to post a series of pictures a little later on why I believe that the Silver Snakes should've NOT gone to the temple due to their temple game victories being questionable. :roll:
Yeah, didn't Kirk declare Rinette "further along" in the wall climbing game than the male Blue Barracuda? Not to mention, in the third temple game, the score was 1-1 tie, and the Silver Snakes were yet again.... "further along," thus gaining them access to the temple. The temple game score should've been Blue Barracudas beating the Silver Snakes 2-1 in the temple games. Though with how pathetic the Blue Barracudas were in the third game, I doubt they would've done a better job in the temple. :roll:
I wonder if it was like that in "The Jewel Encrusted Egg of Catherine the Great" (same artifact location and same filming day) as well.
I am sure there were a few other episodes where the Silver Monkey wasn't fully assembled either. Although I wonder if the other episodes that day (Tokugawa, Bandit Queen, and Chandragupta) had the Monkey assembled?Tokugawa wasn't on Bandit Queen's filming day. It was Chandragupta/Lion Slashed Jacket/Bandit Queen/Thornwood Gavel.
That "object" right next to the name "Walters" in the photo does not look like the Bent Shaving Pan at all. That looks WAY too big to be a Shaving Pan, and it's not one of those "awkward edits" you often see in the closing credits. I remember Olmec used to point that out all the time in the Daily Episode Log. And like you said, Bent Shaving Pan came way before Apanuugpak.
One other thing I find interesting in that photo, is that tan piece of paper right next to the "Debra Rush" name. What is that supposed to be? I know it's not the Mussel Shell Armor, since all the doors are opened in that photo.
Since we were talking about the Judge Roy Bean episode earlier, is there a reason why the dot on the map for that temple run doesn't blink? It also happened in Bandit Queen, where the dot wasn't blinking in that run either.
But the first two episodes that day (Chandragupta and Lion-Slashed Jacket) had the dot blinking on the map. But both the Bandit Queen and Roy Bean run did not have the dot blinking at all. Kind of odd that this trait is only shared for two episodes on that production day. :idea:
Since we were talking about the Judge Roy Bean episode earlier, is there a reason why the dot on the map for that temple run doesn't blink? It also happened in Bandit Queen, where the dot wasn't blinking in that run either.
But the first two episodes that day (Chandragupta and Lion-Slashed Jacket) had the dot blinking on the map. But both the Bandit Queen and Roy Bean run did not have the dot blinking at all. Kind of odd that this trait is only shared for two episodes on that production day. :idea:
The dot only blinked during the Chandragupta run. It was stationary for Lion-Slashed Jacket, Secret Map, and Judge Roy Bean. It probably just had to do with editing.
Most of the episodes that were taped/edited toward the beginning of each season had slightly different camera angles, lighting cues, and editing quirks. It's probably because the producers wanted to try out a few different styles to see what would look best. But they didn't go back and "fix" the other ones with the other style because they were already done, and to change them would just use up time.
And also worth mentioning: A similar thing happened with the temple map during the Bifocal Monocle day: Bifocal Monocle, William the Conqueror, and War Fan all had bright pink dots like the ones seen later in Season 3; the dot in Much-Heralded Helmet is dark pink.
Wasn't the Thronwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean shown during the rundown as well? Can anyone get any photographic proof of that?
Wasn't that room also dark in Gwalior too? Also from that same day. The temple in S3 had the tendency to be dark in certain rooms of the temple. Like mentioned earlier where in "Enormous Feather" where the Jester's Court was completely dark for David and the lights never dimmed either. Or in Sir Gawain where it seemed like half of Tiffani's rooms were pitch black also. Especially the Ledges. :oRoyal Torque & Nate ;)
Wasn't that room also dark in Gwalior too? Also from that same day. The temple in S3 had the tendency to be dark in certain rooms of the temple. Like mentioned earlier where in "Enormous Feather" where the Jester's Court was completely dark for David and the lights never dimmed either. Or in Sir Gawain where it seemed like half of Tiffani's rooms were pitch black also. Especially the Ledges. :oRoyal Torque & Nate ;)
But the Jester's Court did have problems that day.
Here's an interesting photo I found watching "Elizabeth the First's Golden Ship" yesterday.
Look carefully at the Wall Climb. Notice how the Throne Room door is opened, despite the fact it was so very obviously locked during the temple run. How did that happen? Obviously, the door would be locked for the temple run, since the production crew would never make a layout THAT easy. But why is is suddenly opened for no apparent reason? I read somewhere here a while ago where some doors are apparently opened for contestants. So they can exit the temple quicker despite losing. And this same thing apparently happened in "The Golden Cricket Cage of Khan." Where the Golden Idols door leading to the Heart Room was opened, but not the Heart Room door itself. Though with how retarded John and Tia were, even if that was some supposed production error, they still would've been the same lost causes they were to begin with. :roll:
Furthermore, this same photo in on Ed's site, found below:
Now, I used to think that photo/scene was from "The Keys to Alhambra," with both the Throne Room and Heart Room doors being opened. But I compared the above photos to the "Copyright 1993" bit in Alhambra, and it didn't match. It just showed Lisa walking back to Steve and Kirk, and before we even see a further shot of those three standing around, the scene fades. Plus, both photos above are an exact match. Thoughts on this?