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Title: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 30, 2011, 01:24:20 AM
With the recent discussion about production errors in the spam thread, I thought it would be interesting to create a thread that lists production errors found throughout the Legends series.

Feel free to list any episode that you believe had a production error in for one reason or another. It could be a huge production error that harmed a team, or a minor one that had no real bearing on the run. As a side note, we are discussing potential production errors on the show rather than just presuming one occurred. At the end of the discussions, I hope to make a list of all the production errors on the show.

I will start off with one:

The Mask of Shaka Zulu

This episode is probably most famous for a production error occurring because of the path the Red Jaguars took to travel through the temple. Bobby only had to complete four rooms in order to grab the artifact, and the direct path only had one guard for him, which was quite rare for season one. Its possible that the crew just gave the team an easy layout, but after watching the episode numerous times here is some evidence I collected why a production error occured.

-- The path that Bobby took was too linear and the only guard he encountered was in the entrance room of the temple. Usually when a team took the direct path, they would encounter both the entrance room guard and another guard on the bottom of the path.
-- When Bobby hit the actuator to the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, the door did not initially open. After pressing it a few times, the door finally opens for one reason or another.
-- During the temple rundown, you can see the treasure chest open in the Treasure Room. This suggests that the Holes of Python should've been a deadend and the team would've probably been forced up from the room.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on August 30, 2011, 01:51:23 AM
The War Fan of the 47 Ronin was a pretty obvious one. What with the door in the Tomb closing when it wasn't suppose to. Poor team got screwed over. No wonder the producers gave the team the second prize.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Headless King on August 30, 2011, 05:23:37 AM
The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta - The stone slab wall from the King's Storeroom to the Room of the Ancient Warriors had to be pushed down manually

The Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain - Pit/Storeroom door should have opened but didn't
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 30, 2011, 01:37:37 PM
The Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra

When Tracy enters the observatory, she forces the bar blocking the Treasury of the Golden Orbs up and tries to enter the room from the Observatory. However, the main door blocking the Treasury is locked. When she grabs the artifact though, the door to the Observatory still remains closed despite the fact all the doors should've been unlocked.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on August 30, 2011, 05:39:07 PM
Judging by the lighting effects in "The Much-Heralded Helmet of Sir Gawain," I think the door leading up from the Chamber probably should have opened.  That's not to say that Tiffani should've encountered a Temple Guard— there wasn't always one back there when the door opened, although there usually was— but it could've been an alternate path to entice players.  Of course, it also could've been a mistake as far as effects go since it was an early episode in the season...
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Silver Monkey on August 30, 2011, 06:01:44 PM
I think it was supposed to open as even after Tiffani grabs the helmet, it's closed.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Headless King on August 30, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
I think it was supposed to open as even after Tiffani grabs the helmet, it's closed.
That actually happened a lot with earlier Season 3 episodes.  The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror, The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta.  It wasn't until the second half of the season that they made the cover go up after the artifact was grabbed.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 30, 2011, 07:15:49 PM
The Golden Cup of Belshazzar

When the frontrunner enters the Room of Harmonic Convergence, she encounters a "dead-end" that eats up a lot of time during the run. However, I don't believe that this was just a dead-end though. When she steps on one combo of steps, you can clearly hear the chime as if the door was suppose to open. However, no door opens and she retreats from the room and takes a different path thinking it was a deadend. I don't think the room was a deadend because I don't think the producers would be this cruel to the contestants. I think this was actually a production error and one door should've opened.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on September 02, 2011, 05:41:47 AM
The Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra

When Tracy enters the observatory, she forces the bar blocking the Treasury of the Golden Orbs up and tries to enter the room from the Observatory. However, the main door blocking the Treasury is locked. When she grabs the artifact though, the door to the Observatory still remains closed despite the fact all the doors should've been unlocked.
This is not a production error, TRJ!

When Tracy forced open the bar in the Observatory, she broke the mechanism that would have opened both the bar and the door in the Treasury. This is why the door in the Treasury never opened, because the mechanism that would have opened it had been broken.

Just watch the episode! The bar goes down past where it was when Robert was in the Observatory and down even further when she forces it open the 2nd time.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 02, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
The Helmet of Genghis Khan:

When Becca hit the Observatory actuator from the pit, the door opening sound is heard, but the door doesn't completely open. Becca had to force the door open to enter the Observatory. I guess she noticed that the door was cracked open a little bit? This is another run where a team had to overcome a production error, even if it was a small one.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 02, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
The Helmet of Genghis Khan:

When Becca hit the Observatory actuator from the pit, the door opening sound is heard, but the door doesn't completely open. Becca had to force the door open to enter the Observatory. I guess she noticed that the door was cracked open a little bit? This is another run where a team had to overcome a production error, even if it was a small one.

Does that count as a production error? I always thought that door gave other contestants problem when they tried opening it. I mean, didn't Mitchell in "The Moccasins of Geronimo" have to force it open? Either way, good catch on that one. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 03, 2011, 11:03:55 PM
I forgot the same thing happened to Mitchell. I guess it counts as a production error since the door was jammed when it was supposed to completely open.

I'm not sure if there was an error in this run, but in The Golden Stallion of Ali Baba, did the Swamp door open when the second runner turned around on the throne (and turned around in the most unusual way possible :lol: )? At first, it looked like she wanted to go that way, but she went up the central shaft instead and this cost the team a chance at victory. This leads me to think the door wasn't open at first. I mean, throughout her central shaft trek, you keep hearing door sound effects (and not just for other doors). Anyone else think this was possibly a run with an error?
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on September 04, 2011, 04:28:04 AM

I'm not sure if there was an error in this run, but in The Golden Stallion of Ali Baba, did the Swamp door open when the second runner turned around on the throne (and turned around in the most unusual way possible :lol: )? At first, it looked like she wanted to go that way, but she went up the central shaft instead and this cost the team a chance at victory. This leads me to think the door wasn't open at first. I mean, throughout her central shaft trek, you keep hearing door sound effects (and not just for other doors). Anyone else think this was possibly a run with an error?
I do PP319!

I think that the Temple guard coming out of the double-doors in the back of the room broke the mechanism that would have opened up the Swamp door by stepping on the platform as it was still rotating. But the contestant was still able to activate the Swamp door by stepping on the actuator box on the back side of the rotating wall that was there for when sitting on the throne was not practical.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 05, 2011, 06:53:39 PM
Here's another one:

The Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro

When Heather applied the Dark Forest key to the magnet hole leading to the Shrine, the golden door opened. However, the blue cabinet door in the Shrine didn't open. That leads me to think this was a production error. What do you think?
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on September 15, 2011, 05:03:18 AM
Here's another one:

The Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro

When Heather applied the Dark Forest key to the magnet hole leading to the Shrine, the golden door opened. However, the blue cabinet door in the Shrine didn't open. That leads me to think this was a production error. What do you think?
"Inside the Temple there are many locked doors and dead-ends..."
---Kirk Fogg.

This statement makes the situation unclear to decide. The closed door could have been an instance of that rule, or just gotten stuck shut. We'll never know because the Heather never reached the artifact, which would have revealed the truth.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 15, 2011, 06:36:43 AM
Here's another one:

The Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro

When Heather applied the Dark Forest key to the magnet hole leading to the Shrine, the golden door opened. However, the blue cabinet door in the Shrine didn't open. That leads me to think this was a production error. What do you think?
"Inside the Temple there are many locked doors and dead-ends..."
---Kirk Fogg.

This statement makes the situation unclear to decide. The closed door could have been an instance of that rule, or just gotten stuck shut. We'll never know because the Heather never reached the artifact, which would have revealed the truth.

When Heather uses the key on the key panel, you can hear the "door opening" chime. The golden doors from the Dark Forest opened, but the cabinets in the Shrine remained shut. If this was suppose to be a deadend, then I doubt the golden doors would've opened unless she forced it open.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 16, 2011, 02:45:24 PM
The Good-Luck Watch of Empress Eugenie

In the Jesters' Court, Jay tried the middle painting first, but it didn't work. About fifteen seconds later, he went to the middle painting again and it worked. In both tries, he used the same method to hit the buttons. This leads me to think that a production error in this room cost this team the win.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on September 17, 2011, 05:34:31 AM
Here's another one:

The Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro

When Heather applied the Dark Forest key to the magnet hole leading to the Shrine, the golden door opened. However, the blue cabinet door in the Shrine didn't open. That leads me to think this was a production error. What do you think?
"Inside the Temple there are many locked doors and dead-ends..."
---Kirk Fogg.

This statement makes the situation unclear to decide. The closed door could have been an instance of that rule, or just gotten stuck shut. We'll never know because the Heather never reached the artifact, which would have revealed the truth.

When Heather uses the key on the key panel, you can hear the "door opening" chime. The golden doors from the Dark Forest opened, but the cabinets in the Shrine remained shut. If this was suppose to be a deadend, then I doubt the golden doors would've opened unless she forced it open.
Well, I guess you've got me there. The chime did play and the lower door did open. My next guess is that the latch that would've released the door did not do so like it was supposed to.

The Good-Luck Watch of Empress Eugenie

In the Jesters' Court, Jay tried the middle painting first, but it didn't work. About fifteen seconds later, he went to the middle painting again and it worked. In both tries, he used the same method to hit the buttons. This leads me to think that a production error in this room cost this team the win.
If you ask me, the method he used on the painting was fundamentally flawed. He should have tried the middle painting while facing the wall, so that he could put some more muscle behind pushing the hand actuators.

My guess is that he just didn't depress one of the hand actuators enough on the first try, and that whoever yelled at him during the run told him to try the middle one again.

Now, I'm curious, would the Quentin incident (Quentin getting sent in early) from "The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu" count as a production error? :?
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 17, 2011, 06:39:00 AM
Now, I'm curious, would the Quentin incident (Quentin getting sent in early) from "The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu" count as a production error? :?

I don't think it would, but that would depend on how the second runner is cued to go into the Temple.  If it's just Kirk telling them to go, then I'd consider it a small mistake on Quentin's part before he was stopped.  I'm not sure if somebody else (a producer offscreen or something) is also supposed to signal for them to go, but I doubt it, so that was probably his own error.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on September 17, 2011, 06:42:50 AM
Here's another one:

The Snow Cone of Mount Kilimanjaro

When Heather applied the Dark Forest key to the magnet hole leading to the Shrine, the golden door opened. However, the blue cabinet door in the Shrine didn't open. That leads me to think this was a production error. What do you think?
"Inside the Temple there are many locked doors and dead-ends..."
---Kirk Fogg.

This statement makes the situation unclear to decide. The closed door could have been an instance of that rule, or just gotten stuck shut. We'll never know because the Heather never reached the artifact, which would have revealed the truth.

When Heather uses the key on the key panel, you can hear the "door opening" chime. The golden doors from the Dark Forest opened, but the cabinets in the Shrine remained shut. If this was suppose to be a deadend, then I doubt the golden doors would've opened unless she forced it open.
She used her hands to open the door. Besides, the chime is the wrong chime.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 17, 2011, 06:53:21 AM
Yeah, as I mentioned elsewhere, Heather did NOT open the door using the key.  I know it looks like she touched the key to the panel for the door, but she would've had to use her left hand to do that considering where she was standing and where the panel was.  But she reached into the holes of both trees with her right hand, and never switched anything (key or otherwise) from one hand to the other.  There was no key and she actually opened the door with her bare hands.  Instead of the door in the Shrine being supposed to open, it wasn't supposed to be openable, same with the door in the Dark Forest.

Yes, that episode would probably still count as featuring a production error.  But it's not that the Shrine door should have opened, but that the Dark Forest door should NOT have been possible to open.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 17, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
Yeah, as I mentioned elsewhere, Heather did NOT open the door using the key.  I know it looks like she touched the key to the panel for the door, but she would've had to use her left hand to do that considering where she was standing and where the panel was.  But she reached into the holes of both trees with her right hand, and never switched anything (key or otherwise) from one hand to the other.  There was no key and she actually opened the door with her bare hands.  Instead of the door in the Shrine being supposed to open, it wasn't supposed to be openable, same with the door in the Dark Forest.

Yes, that episode would probably still count as featuring a production error.  But it's not that the Shrine door should have opened, but that the Dark Forest door should NOT have been possible to open.
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Well, its not like those doors weren't easy to open. I mean when Lisa entered the Tomb of the Ancient Kings in "The Keys to the Alhambra", the golden door to the Shrine was already open despite the fact that neither her or Steve even touched them.

And in "The Bonnet of Dolley Madison", Ashlie was able to force one of the doors open also.

But I do agree with the Snow Cone being a production error. I remember someone suggesting that the door was broken in that room, which made it being forced open easier.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Silver Monkey on September 17, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Now, I'm curious, would the Quentin incident (Quentin getting sent in early) from "The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu" count as a production error? :?

I don't think it would, but that would depend on how the second runner is cued to go into the Temple.  If it's just Kirk telling them to go, then I'd consider it a small mistake on Quentin's part before he was stopped.  I'm not sure if somebody else (a producer offscreen or something) is also supposed to signal for them to go, but I doubt it, so that was probably his own error.

I would imagine that an offscreen producer is supposed to signal the second runner to go, if just going off of the Mummified Hand run.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 17, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
Now, I'm curious, would the Quentin incident (Quentin getting sent in early) from "The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu" count as a production error? :?

I don't think it would, but that would depend on how the second runner is cued to go into the Temple.  If it's just Kirk telling them to go, then I'd consider it a small mistake on Quentin's part before he was stopped.  I'm not sure if somebody else (a producer offscreen or something) is also supposed to signal for them to go, but I doubt it, so that was probably his own error.

I would imagine that an offscreen producer is supposed to signal the second runner to go, if just going off of the Mummified Hand run.
According to an interview I read/saw once, Matt from Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy went into the temple and had to be stopped. Apparently he thought if Paula was caught at least once and NOT twice, he could just go in. So he pretty much had the same problem as Quieten. And they had to refilm Paula going into the Dark Forest because of it.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 20, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu

When Brandy entered the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, the door leading to the Room of the Secret Password was already open, but Brandy ignored it and completed the monkey anyway. I wonder why the door was open. Could this be a production error? And why did she complete the monkey anyway? Just go through the shrine and into the other room.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Silver Monkey on September 20, 2011, 02:00:06 PM
The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu

When Brandy entered the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, the door leading to the Room of the Secret Password was already open, but Brandy ignored it and completed the monkey anyway. I wonder why the door was open. Could this be a production error? And why did she complete the monkey anyway? Just go through the shrine and into the other room.

When she completed the Monkey, the door to the Quicksand Bog opened. And yes, I think it's a production error.

The Secret Password-Pharaoh's Secret Passage door being open without needing to complete an objective in the Smashed Printing Plate run would count, also.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2011, 02:33:12 PM
The Red Sash of Tokugawa Ieyasu

When Brandy entered the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, the door leading to the Room of the Secret Password was already open, but Brandy ignored it and completed the monkey anyway. I wonder why the door was open. Could this be a production error? And why did she complete the monkey anyway? Just go through the shrine and into the other room.

When she completed the Monkey, the door to the Quicksand Bog opened. And yes, I think it's a production error.

The Secret Password-Pharaoh's Secret Passage door being open without needing to complete an objective in the Smashed Printing Plate run would count, also.

I kind of disagree, I think the producers did that intentionally sometimes in order to lower the difficulty in the layout, if that makes sense at all.

For example, Brandy was not required to assemble the monkey at all and could've ran into the Room of the Secret Password, bypassing the Shrine altogether. However, if she decided to assemble the monkey, then the Quicksand Bog door would've opened, allowing her to avoid the Room of the Secret Password. Notice that both the Secret Password and Quicksand Bog had a temple guards, meaning that had she took the Secret Password path, she would've met both temple guards.

And its not the only run with a completed objective either. The Stolen Arm of Shiva, The Mask of Shaka Zulu, Henry VIII's Great Seal, The Walking Stick of Harriet Tubman, The Smashed Printing Plate of Frederick Douglass, and The War Fan of the 47 Ronin all had some sort of completed or half completed objective during the run.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 20, 2011, 03:44:32 PM
I don't think the Shrine-Bog door opened in the Red Sash run. If you look closely at that area when Quentin passes by, I think you can see the door still locked.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
I don't think the Shrine-Bog door opened in the Red Sash run. If you look closely at that area when Quentin passes by, I think you can see the door still locked.

You can see the door open a little bit while Quentin is captured by the temple guard in the Quicksand Bog. I am not sure why Brandy did not use that door in the first place, but she would've bypassed both the Secret Password objective and temple guard. And if the Quicksand Bog door never opened, then that means all three temple guards were unavoidable too (not that it mattered since the team had two pendants, but if they had less than two then choosing the Quicksand Bog would've been the smart decision.)
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 11, 2011, 05:42:05 PM
How about another production error?

In the season 1 Observatory, the bar that blocked the path for the Treasure/Idols/Orbs room sometimes took forever to raise up once the sundial/light wheel was spun. I think the most notable run where this happened was Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat. If that bar hadn't took forever to raise up, this would've been a solo win. Colleen didn't know what to do because of this and went into the Heart Room, which had a crucial temple guard in it. She then encountered another temple guard in the Treasure Room. We all know what happened after that when Chris went in.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 11, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
Oh, and speaking of the Lost Lariat run, does Kirk's "Bust through that wall!" count as a production error? Chris was climbing the Well Room ladder until Kirk told him to break through the wall. This was a bad idea on Kirk's part and it cost the team the win.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 11, 2011, 06:13:54 PM
I would count that as a Fogg-up, not a production error.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 11, 2011, 06:15:04 PM
Oh yeah, a Fogg-Up. Forgot that was different than a production error. :lol:
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 11, 2011, 06:41:46 PM
Yeah, I don't think the producers should be responsible for Chris's stupidity.

While we are on the topics of production errors, I honestly think the Room of Harmonic Convergence in "The Golden Cup of Belshazzar" was a production error rather than a dead end. IIRC, you can hear a faint "door chime" at one point in the run. And that would be too brutal if it was an actual deadend.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 11, 2011, 06:44:45 PM
The Harmonic Conv. was a dead-end in The Lost Logbooks of Magellan, but I agree that in the Belshazzar run, that room had a production error. You're right when you say that a door chime was heard.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 11, 2011, 06:48:13 PM
The Harmonic Conv. was a dead-end in The Lost Logbooks of Magellan, but I agree that in the Belshazzar run, that room had a production error. You're right when you say that a door chime was heard.

Even if you couldn't hear the door chime, that would've been a too much time consuming dead end, especially along with the Wheel Room. Too bad, they looked like a good team also.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 11, 2011, 08:30:53 PM
I re-watched the Snow Cone run (yeah I know, I'm pathetic like that :roll: ) and I'm pretty sure Heather only used her hands to open the right part of the door. The left part opened thanks to the key.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 11, 2011, 09:06:01 PM
I re-watched the Snow Cone run (yeah I know, I'm pathetic like that :roll: ) and I'm pretty sure Heather only used her hands to open the right part of the door. The left part opened thanks to the key.

I don't know, I think part of it was her fault and the other part was a production error. Even if the door didn't open, she didn't have to waste her remaining time there.  :roll:
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 27, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
In the temple run for The Mush Pot Hat of Johnny Appleseed, a big black kick ball somehow found it's way into the Pit. :lol:
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 27, 2011, 09:32:24 PM
Oh yeah, I saw that. :lol: I don't think that counts as a production error though.
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 27, 2011, 09:35:41 PM
Well, I said that because maybe the production crew got lazy and forgot about the ball in the pit. :lol:

How did that ball get there anyway?
Title: Re: Episodes with production errors
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 27, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
It was probably left over from one of the "knock over soldiers" temple games. And yes, they probably were too lazy to take it out of the pit. ;)