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Title: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 29, 2011, 06:54:42 PM
I'm trying to compile a comprehensive list of where all the temple guards were, including the ones that were not encountered as best as I can.  For most temple runs, it is fairly easy to figure out where the other temple guards were, or at least narrow them down to a few possibilities.

What I hope to accomplish from this thread is to get some input from other people to help narrow down the possibilities for where the temple guards were.

The way I'll do this is to do them 5 at a time.  First, I'll share what I think of them and then I'll open the floor for discussion.  After there is a consensus, we'll go on to the next 5.  PLEASE GO BACK AND WATCH THE TEMPLE RUNS BEFORE COMMENTING ON THEM.

To start with:

BLACKBEARD'S TREASURE MAP:
Wow, not much we can do about this one.  Sabrina didn't make it very far at all.  The only one she encountered was in the CAVE OF SIGHS. In the temple description, there seems to be a large pile-up of packing peanuts in the swamp (to me, they look like packing peanuts, but I'm not sure what they are), which would indicate there was probably a temple guard in THE SWAMP.  Neither of the doors to the left in the Observatory or the Heart Room opened, so we can only assume the path would have taken her along the bottom, and if so, the other temple guard was probably in the ROOM OF HARMONIC CONVERGENCE or the TOMB OF THE ANCIENT KINGS.

THE GOLDEN CUP OF BELSHAZZAR:
The players encountered temple guards in the CAVE OF SIGHS and in the TREASURE ROOM.  The problem with this run is that, probably due to a production error, every route was a dead end, so it is anybody's guess where the other one was.  For the same reason as in Blackbeard's Treasure Map, my guess is that it was in the SWAMP.

GALILEO'S CANNONBALL:
The players encountered temple guards in the THRONE ROOM and in the SHRINE OF THE SLIVER MONKEY.  The only other rooms that even available to them were the ROOM OF THE THREE GARGOYLES and the OBSERVATORY, so it was probably in one of those.  The only potential conflict with this is that Jon takes something out of the treasure chest in the Shrine that many people believe to be the half-pendant.  There are two possibilities.  One: The other temple guard was in the Observatory or Gargoyle Room and the production crew actually expected the team to find the half-pendant at almost the exact same time the temple guard emerged from the Shrine if they needed the half-pendant.  Two: That wasn't the half-pendant he took out.

WILD BILL HICKOK AND THE DEAD MAN'S HAND:
All three guards were encountered in the CAVE OF SIGHS, the HEART ROOM, and the SWAMP.  Nothing to discuss here.

JOHN HENRY'S LOST HAMMER:
Temple guards were encountered in the HEART ROOM and the THRONE ROOM. At this point, I have no indication where the other one might have been except that there are only four rooms the team did not enter: THE TORCH ROOM, THE SHRINE OF THE SILVER MONKEY, THE OBSERVATORY, AND THE CAVE OF SIZE.

Okay, so if you have any information to contribute please do so, and hopefully we can figure this out.

Note: It's difficult in the first season but it gets much easier in later layouts.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 30, 2011, 12:37:02 AM
I would like to help with your list. :)

 I need to go back and watch some of these episodes again, because I am actually trying to finish up my site this summer. Going through the next series of season one episodes, this is what I could come up:

THE GOLDEN CRICKET CAGE OF KHAN:
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- ?

ELIZABETH I'S GOLDEN SHIP:
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Golden Idols (encountered)

JOHN SUTTER AND THE MAP TO THE LOST GOLD MINE
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Golden Idols (encountered)

THE STAR OF SULTAN SALADIN
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- The Cave of Sighs (you can see him when Leah exits the temple)
-- The Heart Room? (The Heart Room would've probably been a deadend for Leah, so I assume a guard was in there)

THE KEYS TO THE ALHAMBRA
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- ? (I assume it would be a room on the top level of the temple, maybe the Shrine?)

THE HELMET OF GENGHIS KHAN
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- ? (Perhaps the Throne Room? There is usually a temple guard there when the contestants take the bottom route)

THE TROJAN HORSESHOE
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Spider's Lair (As the Green Monkey boy exits the temple, you can see the headdress of the temple guard. I guess this room could've only be accessed by pressing down an idol)

THE PENDANT OF KAMEHAMEHA
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Dungeon (encountered)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 30, 2011, 01:44:12 AM
Yeah, that's pretty much what I have for those episodes right now.  Like I said, it's hard in the first season because often we don't even know which doors would have been locked or unlocked.

Some notes I have about those:
THE GOLDEN CRICKET CAGE OF KHAN: Really, they did not make it far enough to really even be able to guess.

STAR OF SULTAN SALADIN:  The only other room the third one could have been was The Pirate's Cove, but the Heart Room does seem a little more likely (considering how often one is in there).  Either way, it would have been either a dead end or a useless detour.

KEYS TO THE ALHAMBRA: Same as Golden Cricket Cage of Khan.  The second runner was absolutely stupid and made no progress, which makes it extremely hard to guess where the third one was.  Something we have to consider, though, is that since they only won 1 pendant, one of the guards had to be avoidable.  :?:

THE HELMET OF GENGHIS KHAN:  This one is hard simply because we don't know which doors were unlocked.  The only thing I can say that might indicate something is that going back and watching it, I saw that in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, the door to the Dungeon opens, indicating that it could have been in there.

THE TROJAN HORSESHOE: I also noticed the headpiece, which is conclusive evidence that the temple guard was there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on May 30, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
Let me help with the list.

THE LOST LOGBOOKS OF MAGELLAN:
- The Room of Harmonic Convergence
- The Heart Room
- The Pirate's Cove

THE MOCASSINS OF GEROMINO:
- The Observatory
- ? (It's possible that one guard could be in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. It would add a bit of difficulty considering the number of rooms)
- ? (Not so sure. We have to consider that there was a half pendant in the Temple, so the other guard could be in the Room of the Three Gargoyles or the Heart Room (Probably because some people fail to notice the Observatory/Treasure Room passage and would be tricked to go down)

HENRY VIII'S GREAT SEAL:
- The Cave of Sighs
- The Heart Room
- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART:
- The Room of the Three Gargoyles
- The Swamp
- ? (Possibly the Heart Room because it is unlikely that both entrance rooms would have guards)

PONCE DE' LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH:
- The Observatory
- The Room of Harmonic Convergence
- The Cave of Sighs (only room not entered)

THE TREASURE MAP OF JEAN LAFITTE:
- The Heart Room
- The Room of Harmonic Convergence
- ? (Could be anywhere in the Temple)

THE ORACLE BOWL OF DELPHI:
- The Room of the Three Gargoyles
- The Swamp
- ? (Possibly the Heart Room for a double whammy of a temple guard and a dead end)

THE PAINTBRUSH OF LEONARDO DA VINCI:
- The Swamp
- The Observatory
- ? (Not so sure)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 30, 2011, 02:38:35 PM
Just a few comments I would like to add:

For "the Golden Cup of Belshazzar", I believe the team was suppose to go down the Treasure Chest. When the girl opens the treasure chest, you can hear a sound similar to Mitchell using the chest in "the Moccasins of Geronimo". So the third guard must've been in the Swamp or the Tomb of the Ancient Kings.

For "Galileo's Cannonball", I assume that the third temple guard would've been in the Room of the Three Gargoyles. I also don't think that Jammin John found the half pendant in the Shrine like some websites (Room of the Mandarin Hand) suggest. It would not make any sense to have it in the same room as the last temple guard.

The last temple guard in "the Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart" had to be in the Heart Room. The producers never would have a temple guard in both entrance rooms, especially this early in the season.

I also think the last temple guard in "the Oracle Bowl of Delphi" would've been in the Shrine or Treasure Room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on May 30, 2011, 02:47:15 PM
RJF, I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but it's the Lucky "Pig", not "Pillow". ;)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 30, 2011, 02:52:41 PM
Anyways, I will post the temple guard placements for S1L6 temple runs:

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA:
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Well/The Room of Three Torches? (It has to be either one of these rooms. I would go with the Torch Room though because there were never any temple guards in the Well room space.

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Three Gargoyles? (would've been a trap guard if the team decided to take the direct path)
-- The Heart Room? (a deadend room like in most of the top floor artifact placements)

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Observatory (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings? (the boy did find the half pendant in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, which means the last temple guard had to be in Room of Three Torches/Well/Tomb of the Ancient Kings. I will go with the Ancient Kings though since the producers in season one loved the one room away temple guard placement)

THE STONE MARKER OF LEIF ERIKSON
-- The Bamboo Forest (encountered)
-- The Observatory (encountered)
-- ? (I have no idea on this one. Similar to the Paint Brush of Leonardo Da Vinci run, it could've been in any of the unentered rooms.)

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC
-- The Room of the Three Gargoyles (encountered)
-- The Room of the Harmonic Convergence (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room? (the only two rooms the team did not enter were this room and the Observatory. I would give it to the Treasure Room though because I doubt the producers would've required the team to travel up to the Observatory)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 30, 2011, 03:00:19 PM
I have found it helpful that you guys have analyzed the temple runs and layouts to narrow it down, but I mostly ask that you kinda slow down so that we're not covering so many episodes at once.

Anyway, these are my notes on those episodes RJF covered:

MOCASSINS OF GERONIMO: I'm pretty sure the Shrine would have been one of them because that allows for the possibility of the frontrunner getting captured late into the run, making the retrieval more difficult.  I'm not sure where out of the other rooms the other one would be.

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART:  I do agree, it was more than likely in the Heart Room because it would make close to no sense to put guards in both entrance rooms.  However, we can't be absolutely sure.  I'm going to look back at the episode and see if I can sneak a peek into the Cave of Sighs to get proof or disproof that the guard was there.

PONCE DE' LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH: Yeah, there is no doubt it had to be in the Cave of Sighs.

THE TREASURE MAP OF JEAN LAFITTE:  It really could be in any of the three rooms.  However, comparing this temple layout to that of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA'S HEADDRESS, I'm fairly sure the path downward from the Shrine to the Tomb would have opened, so I'm thinking the other was in the Tomb, because that makes it a capture situation, but the capture is still avoidable.

ORACLE BOWL OF DELPHI:  Considering they had two pendants, it seems perfectly plausible for them to have put the other guard in either the Shrine or the Treasure Room.  I really think that since loss by triple capture wasn't even possible, they wouldn't have put the last temple guard in a dead-end or a useless detour, so I'm not going to consider the Heart Room.

THE PAINTBRUSH OF LEONARDO DA VINCI: I think the other guard would have been in the Treasure Room or the Shrine.  Based on the opened doors and where the other temple guards were, I'm very sure the door from the Shrine to the Tomb would have opened, so putting the guard in the Pirate's Cove or the Dungeon would have been pointless.

Also, TRJ, I noticed that sound too in "the Golden Cup of Belshazzar", but the second runner seems to be confused and unable to go down.  I do think that was the intended path, but either the second runner was WAY too hesitant or a production error didn't open the door.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 30, 2011, 03:15:49 PM
I am going back and watching some of these runs already listed right now.

There is definitely no guard in the Cave of Sighs in "the Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart". You can tell the room is empty when Kirk is talking to the contestants.

For "the Moccasins of Geronimo", one of the guards must've been in the Room of the Three Gargoyles. You can see the temple guard door slightly cracked open during the temple rundown (pic coming soon).


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EDIT: This is the picture I took from "The Moccasins of Geronimo" temple rundown. You can tell the door is partially cracked open, suggesting there might be a temple guard in it.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 30, 2011, 03:37:03 PM
Ugh, too fast guys.

My notes for S1L6:

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA:  I disagree with you TRJ, I think it would be in the Well, because the Tomb of the Ancient Kings was the 7th room on the shortest path they could have taken, so I'm absolutely sure the diagonal passage would have worked, making the Room of the Three Torches completely pointless.  (I'm actually convinced the vertical passage from the Tomb would have worked anyway, so either way, it was probably only going to be encountered if the contestant was being stupid.)

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA: I also disagree with you here.  I think they were in the Well and the Gargoyle Room.  I mean, they already put a temple guard one room away, it seems stupid to do that twice.

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA: I think you might be right on the button, but I'm also going to consider the Well.

THE STONE MARKER OF LIEF ERIKSON: Yeah, I'd say the same as Paintbrush, but I'd switch whichever it is. (what I mean is if it was the Shrine in Paintbrush, it's Treasure Room in this one)  That's just because if they were exactly identical, it would be suspicious on the part of the production crew.

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC: Same thoughts here.  What's also convincing is that they won two pendants, so they probably wouldn't bother putting the last temple guard in a useless detour.


Thank your TRJ for that picture.  I noticed that sort of thing in other episodes, but was too lazy to go back and watch meticulously for that.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on May 31, 2011, 02:32:07 AM
THE MEDAL OF SIR EDMUND HILARY:
- The Room of the Three Gargoyles
- The Heart Room
- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey

THE MASK OF SHAKA ZULU:
- The Cave of Sighs
- ? (Could be the Observatory assuming the player has to climb up the central shaft because of not going through the Room of the Three Gargoyles and the Troubled Bridge)
- ? (Could be the Room of the Three Torches or the Well since the half pendant was sometimes in the empty base of the Shrine and it would be way too easy to let the door from the Shrine to the Tomb open like that)

THE GOLDEN JAGUAR OF ATAHUALPA:
- The Heart Room
- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey
- ? (The Room of the Three Gargoyles seems obvious since the direct path would never work)

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL:
- The Treasure Room
- The Holes of Python
- ? (Could be the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or the Well. Considering there's a half pendant somewhere, this entire run is hard to determine)

ALEXANDER AND THE GORDIAN KNOT:
- The Throne Room
- Tomb of the Ancient Kings
- ? (The Treasure Room since the half pendant was found in the Shrine)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 31, 2011, 03:27:39 AM
Ugh.  I was about to hit the sack, but now I'm compelled to look back at my notes for S1L7:

THE MASK OF SHAKA ZULU: Really, we don't have enough information to make a good guess.  Just based on the idea that a temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs and that they had 1 1/2 pendants, I'm thinking that the other two guards would normally have been unavoidable (Lolz, malfunctioning door).  Assuming the Gargoyle Room and Troubled Bridge would lead them to the Observatory, I'm going to narrow it down to the Observatory, Treasure Room, Shrine, Room of the Three Torches, and the Well.

THE GOLDEN JAGUAR OF ATAHUALPA: The way I see it, putting it in the Room of the Three Torches is preposterous because the long-ass elevator ride should be punishment enough.  i think that going into the Gargoyle Room would have led them to the Observatory and down the central shaft.  I'd probably have more proof of this if the front runner had tried the door leading up from the Heart Room.  I think the guard was in the Observatory because I'm pretty sure I saw something moving around in the back area during the temple description.  (I'm pretty sure it was a guard, but it might have just been bad video quality)

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL: Based on the fact that there was a very short route through the bottom, I'm thinking they would have been forced into at least the Well, maybe even the Room of the Three Torches, so maybe either one of those or the Tomb of the Ancient Kings. They had 1 1/2 pendants, so if somebody can spot the other half-pendant, that might narrow it down.

ALEXANDER AND THE GORDIAN KNOT: I'm thinking so too.  I was also considering the Heart Room, but that seems pointless since the other guards were unavoidable and the half-pendant was near-impossible to miss.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 31, 2011, 03:30:52 AM
I want to quickly thank you guys for your discussion before moving on because I'm already starting to see the possibilities narrow down, and even on some of them, I've come up with a definite answer.

I'm too tired to start talking about S1L8, so, until tomorrow.  (Wait, it IS tomorrow.)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 31, 2011, 06:43:34 AM
Some notes regarding the S1L7 episodes:

For "the Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa", I assume the last temple guard would've been in the Room of the Three Gargoyles. Usually with one pendant runs, there is a guard in one of the entrance rooms of the temple. So the producers might've made the Gargoyles room a direct path trap and forced the team down into the Cave of Sighs. Although the Observatory could also be possible.

"The Mask of Shaka Zulu" is another weird episode though due to the extremely simplistic layout. But I would like to add a little note that I found a while back. During the temple rundown, you can see the Treasure Chest in the Treasure Room is already opened, suggesting maybe that the Treacherous Holes should've been a dead end, and the team would've been forced up into the Treasure Room. I would assume a guard would be there. But since this run is so messed up, I don't have a slight clue.

There is no doubt that the last guard in "the Gordian Knot" is in the Treasure Room due to the half pendant location. And its also not the only run either where all three temple guards are unavoidable.

"The Silver Saddle Horn of Hannibal" beats me though where the last guard could've been. I haven't watched that episodes in ages, so I need to go back and watch it.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 31, 2011, 07:05:34 AM
Also, I think I can knock out S1L8 right now since its not too complicated:

KING TUT'S COBRA STAFF:
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey  (encountered)
-- The Cave of Sighs (the team entered every room of the temple already except this one, so the last one had to be here.)

DRAGON LADY AND THE BLUE PEARL:
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- ? (It has to be either the Cave of Sighs, Throne Room, or Heart Room. We do know the Heart Room door was unlocked because Albert press the actuator for it in the Treasure Room, and the door opened. I am going to guess though that the temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs or Throne Room, making a direct path guard).

THE CODEBOOK OF MATA HARI
-- The Treacherous Holes of Python (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Room of Three Gargoyles? (it would've been a deadend room similar to the Helmet of Joan of Arc, and would force the team down into the Cave of Sighs. The only other possible choice is the Room of Three Torches. It couldn't be the Observatory because the boy did find the half-pendant in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, and the next guard was in the Treasure Room.)

PECOS BILL'S LOST LARIAT
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- ? (it had to be a room on the bottom floor. I am going to guess the Throne Room for this run though.)

ROBIN HOOD AND MARIAN'S LADDER
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Observatory? (this one has always blown my mind. This has to be the location of the last temple guard because no other rooms of the temple could be entered. The door leading to the Treacherous Holes of Python was locked during the run. Although that doesn't mean the Treasure Chest didn't open up and lead to the room. Its a pathetic run and win anyways, so who knows?)

Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 31, 2011, 07:17:28 AM
Hell, I am going to do S1L9 also since 3/4 of the episodes temple guard encountered are known.

LAWRENCE OF ARABIA'S HEADDRESS
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Room of Fallen Columns (encountered)
-- The Treasury of the Golden Orbs (encountered)

THE COLLAR OF DAVY CROCKETT
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Observatory (encountered)
-- The Room of the Royal Gongs (it was the only room of the temple that was not locked and unentered. It also makes sense since the team did have one pendant, so that the last guard would be in a dead end entrance room).

THE SNAKE BRACELET OF CLEOPATRA
-- The Room of Fallen Columns (encountered)
-- The Treasury of the Golden Orbs (encountered)
-- The Cave of Sighs? (We do not know if the bottom floor of the temple would've been accessible during this run. Since the team did have one pendant though, it would make sense to put the other temple guard in an entrance room similar to Davy Crockett.)

THE TREASURE OF ANNE BONNY
-- The Room of the Royal Gongs (encountered)
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Room of Fallen Columns (encountered)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 31, 2011, 07:28:34 AM
Please, nobody go any further just yet.  I'm still compiling my information for Season 2.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on May 31, 2011, 07:46:19 AM
Notes on S1L8:

For 'King Tut's Cobra Staff', the credits already showed the guard in the Cave of Sighs.

For 'Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat', if the guard were in the Throne Room, the run would end very quickly if the only door open was to the Heart Room, unless the door to the Holes of Python was open and the door from there to the Treasure Room was unlocked.

Notes on S1L9:

Considering that the team in 'The Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra' had one and a half pendants and since the last guard should be the one in the Treasury of Golden Orbs, it's still a bit hard to consider where the other guard may be.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on May 31, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
Well, I won't continue onto the second season then if you are still working on it. Although it should not be anywhere as hard as the first season as the temple guard placement is a little more predictable, and a lot of the runs had all three temple guard encounters. Plus the half-pendant runs are also more easy to predict where the other guards would be.

I forgot that "the Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra" was a 1.5 temple run. But the tricky part of the season one runs is that almost all of the season one runs with half-pendants had much more complex temple guard placements compared to the later seasons. Also, you have to remember that the half-pendants were never really found in the first season.

I guess though for "Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat", the last guard being in the Throne Room makes little sense, which would mean the other two temple guards would appear in consecutive rooms. We also do not know where the half-pendant is also. But I guess maybe the Cave of Sighs make more sense.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on May 31, 2011, 11:54:34 PM
Alright, I'm ready to move on.

Here's Season 2 Layout 1: (I'm including The Secret Battle Plan of Nathan Hale here)

THE SILVER HORSESHOE OF BUTCH CASSIDY:
-Encountered Guards: Dark Forest
-Unencountered guards: If you notice that while she is returning with the Horseshoe, the doors in the King's Storeroom that the temple guards use is opened.  I'm thinking this is evidence that a temple guard was there, although I have no clue why the door would be open.  Now, since they had a single pendant, at least one guard was avoidable (we can see that two of them were), but it should still be possible to encounter all of them, so in attempt to work out a path that would satisfy this, I can only figure that the other temple guard should be in either the Crypt or the Observatory. (the Shrine is also possible, but seems unlikely)

THE SECRET BATTLE PLAN OF NATHAN HALE:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Observatory, King's Storeroom

THE GOLDEN STALLION OF ALI BABA:
-Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Heart Room, Dark Forest

THE SILVER CANNONBALL OF GRANDY NANNY:
-Encountered Guards: Ledges, King's Storeroom, Shrine of the Silver Monkey


Wow, I just realized there isn't a single unencountered guard from episode 42 on until episode 47 (The Diary of Doctor Livingstone

Also, I want to remind you guys to be careful of covering too many episodes too fast.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 01, 2011, 12:24:15 AM
In The Snake Bracelet of Cleopatra, the temple guard was DEFINITELY in the Cave of Sighs, and I have not one, but TWO pictures to prove it.

Here's one where we catch a glimpse of him as she is returning with the Bracelet




Not convinced?  Here's one during the credits roll.




Who's awesome?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on June 01, 2011, 01:48:53 AM
I was trying to see if there was a guard there, but the quality was too horrible.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Asian Legends Fan on June 01, 2011, 01:52:38 AM
Higher quality screencap:




You can see his headdress and a pendant hanging off him in the corner.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 01, 2011, 02:02:13 AM
Good find on the Snake Bracelet episode! That was my original guess for the hiding place of the last guard as I imagined that the producers most likely locked the bottom floor of the temple. Too bad we can never see where the half-pendant is located at.

I went back and rewatched "Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat" to look for a temple guard in the Cave of Sighs, but I did not see any at all. You can tell during the credits that there is no guard sitting there. But an interesting note though is that the temple guard door is slightly cracked open during the temple rundown. But the Shrine-Tomb door does not unlock anyways when Chris puts the monkey together.

I also noticed the opened temple guard door in "the Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy" a while back. I think this is good evidence that a temple guard is suppose to be in there. Not saying that there is one for sure, but it is strange that the door is propped open like that.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 01, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
yeah, there wasn't a lot to discuss with S2L1, so on we go.

Here's the first half of S2L2:

THE WALKING STICK OF HARRIET TUBMAN:
-Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey, Crypt

THE LOST LOVE LETTER OF CAPTAIN JOHN SMITH:
-Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Medusa's Lair, Shrine of the Silver Monkey

THE DIARY OF DOCTOR LIVINGSTONE:
-Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Dark Forest
-Unencountered Guards:  I have picture evidence that the other guard was in the Ledges. This picture was from Olmec's rundown.

I apologize for the low quality, but you can definitely see the figure down in the area where they hide.




THE BONE NECKLACE OF THE BLACKFEET CHIEF:
-Encountered Guards: Swamp, Dark Forest
-Unencountered Guards: The temple guard could have been in the Crypt or in Medusa's Lair.  All other rooms seem very unlikely as possibilities.  The only reason I'm considering Medusa's Lair is that in the Throne Room, the passage up opens. (It's hard to see, but I'm really thinking that it did.)

THE MUSH POT HAT OF JOHNNY APPLESEED:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, King's Storeroom
-Unencountered Guards: The only room that seems remotely likely is Medusa's Lair.  They wouldn't put the temple guard in the Ledges, otherwise one would be in both entrance rooms, and the Throne Room, Swamp, and Dark Forest seem too far out of the way of the path they did take.  Also, from the Observatory, the door down to Medusa's Lair opened, so I'm guessing the door from the pit to Medusa's Lair would have opened, but the door from Medusa's Lair to the King's Storeroom would have been locked.

THE CRACKED CROWN OF THE SPANISH KING:
-Encountered Guards: Ledges, Throne Room, Dark Forest
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on June 01, 2011, 08:25:27 PM
Well, keep in mind the players in "The Bone Necklace of the Blackfeet Chief" went directly up from the Dark Forest.  I realize there were barely ever any guards encountered in the leftmost rooms, but it could have been there that time, only unencountered. ;)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on June 02, 2011, 08:30:17 AM
THE IMPERIAL PURPLE ROBE OF EMPRESS THEODORA:
- The Dark Forest
- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey
- ? (The Ledges seems plausible, but I'm not sure what other doors would open considering the path they took)

THE STONE HEAD OF THE EVIL KING:
- The Throne Room
- Medusa's Lair
- The King's Storeroom

THE LUCKY MEDALLION OF ATOCHA:
- The Ledges
- ?
- ? (The Swamp and the Throne Room are my only options. Looking at the Temple Run, the Forest/Shrine passage didn't open. They wouldn't put a guard in a locked room)

THE APPLEWOOD AMULET OF EMILIANO ZAPATA:
- Medusa's Lair
- The King's Storeroom
- ? (The Crypt is the only one I can think of. The half pendant was on the actuator to Medusa's Lair which would have meant that door would be the only one that could open)

THE ELECTRIFIED KEY OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN:
- Medusa's Lair
- The King's Storeroom
- ? (The Crypt because the door from the Shrine to the Viper's Nest didn't open and the playes were in every other room already)

THE LUCKY PILLOW OF ANNIE TAYLOR:
- The Throne Room
- ? (The Mine Shaft is a possible option. In those episodes where the artifact was on the top floor, the player may need to climb up from either the Golden Doors area or the bottom left corner. If they can climb up to the Shrine from the Dark Forest and there's no guard there, the Mine Shaft would seem like the best choice)
- ? (The Crypt since usually one pendant runs have a guard in an entrance room, or the Observatory if they wanted to make the players fall for the trap of the Observatory door opening.)

I'm not 100% positive on these, though.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 02, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
Pretty good predictions for the next set of S2L2 runs.

For "the Imperial Purple Robe of Empress Theodora", I do think the last guard was in the Ledges. I know the door leading to the King's Storeroom did not open when he completed the monkey. The only other place for the guard would be in one of the central column rooms.

Also, I think you nailed "the Lucky Medallion of Atocha" locations. Ty entered all the rooms on the top floor, and since the Dark Forest was indeed locked, the other two had to be in the Throne Room and Swamp. Makes sense because those were direct path rooms in this run.

For "the Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata", that is where I believe the last guard was also. Since the producers loved banking on half-pendant teams in season two, the guard definitely had to be in the Crypt.

No complaints either for "the Electrified-Key of Benjamin Franklin" either. And to think Michelle almost ran into that room also.

For "the Lucky Pillow of Annie Taylor", one of the guards had to be in the Crypt. I believe the other one would be in the Mine Shaft, but the Viper's Nest is possible too I guess.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 02, 2011, 10:17:40 PM
My notes for these episodes:  (I really think you were right on with most of these)

THE IMPERIAL PURPLE ROBE OF EMPRESS THEODORA:
Yes, I think it could really only be the Ledges, because as I've said before on some runs, it should be possible to run into all three, and such a path through any of the other rooms seems much too cruel for the players.

THE LUCKY MEDALLION OF ATOCHA:
I disagree with you here.  Obviously, it had to be on the bottom path, but I think it was the Throne Room and the Dark Forest.  As Ty is returning, he runs through the Swamp and the material jiggles around a lot with no indication of a body laying around.  And really, since the artifact was in the corner room, a direct path doesn't seem all that implausible, especially since it does happen in the Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata.  Speaking of which...

THE APPLEWOOD AMULET OF EMILIANO ZAPATA:
Yeah, only the Crypt seems like it, considering that pretty much no doors other than the path they took opened.

THE ELECTRIFIED KEY OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN:
Yeah, definitely had to be the Crypt.

THE LUCKY PILLOW OF ANNIE TAYLOR:
I do think one was in the Crypt, but not the Observatory.  I really don't think they'd be cruel enough to try and do something like that so close to the artifact.  I'm thinking the other one was in the Mine Shaft, because I'm pretty sure in the Shrine, both the Mine Shaft and Viper's Nest doors open, so I doubt they'd bank on them entering TWO completely unnecessary rooms.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 02, 2011, 11:19:51 PM
I am going through most of the S2L3 runs now since that is one of my favorite layouts on the show. Also, most of the runs contain all three temple guard encounters.

THE MISSING EYE OF DAVID:
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)

THE ENOURMOUS IRON NOSE RING OF BABE:
-- The Dark Forest (you can see one of the limbs of the trees move when Joel breaks through the wall.)
-- The Crypt? (see note below)
-- Medusa's Lair? (see note below)

The team did have 1.5 pendants entering the temple. During the temple rundown, you can tell the half-pendant is located on the Observatory actuator. I am guessing since it was a direct path, one of the guards would be in the Crypt, and the other one might've been in Medusa's Lair.

THE VERY TALL TURBAN OF AHMED BABA:
-- The Swamp (encountered)
-- The Crypt (direct path guard, only one of two rooms not entered by Shane)
-- Medusa's Lair (trap room, only one of two rooms not entered by Shane)

THE IVORY ELEPHANT OF SCHEHERAZADE
-- The Ledges (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)

THE SACRED RING OF SULTAN SULEIMAN:
-- The Ledges (encountered)
-- The Obbservatory (encountered)
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)

THE PLUMED HEADDRESS OF COSA RARA:
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Lightning Ball Room? (hear me out on this one. In this run, the team finds the half-pendant on the Laser Light Room actuator. At first when I watched this run, I assumed the final temple guard would be in the Crypt. But when the boy completes the Observatory objective, you can see the door leading to the trouble bridge opening, meaning the team could've avoided the Laser Light Room temple guard altogether. That means the last guard would have to be in the Lightning Ball Room because it would be unavoidable if they took the bottom route.)

THE JEWELED NECKLACE OF MONTEZUMA:
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)

THE LOST LION TAIL OF LITTLE JOHN:
-- The Ledges (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)

Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 03, 2011, 01:59:18 AM
My notes for those:

THE ENORMOUS IRON NOSE RING OF BABE THE OX:
I had the same thoughts as you, but I'm also considering the Observatory for what should be obvious reasons.  Although this episode does point out something potentially important.  Just because the player isn't caught in the Dark Forest doesn't mean there wasn't one in there.  Although unless finding the key is the only option, they usually put the guard in the tree by the breakable stone door so that it can catch them.

THE VERY TALL TURBAN OF AHMED BABA:
No doubt about it.

THE PLUMED HEADDRESS OF COSARARA:
I'm not so sure about that.  When the second player is coming through the Rock Quarry, we can see that the Troubled Bridge-Observatory door is still shut, and considering the path, I'm sure the diagonal Shrine-Mine Shaft passage would have opened, so I'm thinking it was in the Crypt.  The Lightning Ball Room is still a possibility, but a slim one.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on June 03, 2011, 02:25:00 AM
For 'The Very Tall Turban of Ahmed Baba', Shane did skip the trees entirely. You can't rule out that possibilty.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 03, 2011, 04:35:47 AM
Well, what I'm saying is that if they had the option to not even bother, they'd put the temple guard in the left side tree, that way it still might be able to catch them.  There have been many examples of this.

EDIT: Also, if they do make the key available, they'll put the temple guard in the same tree as the key.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on June 03, 2011, 12:10:58 PM
Actually, I think the trees weren't supposed to catch any players unless they reached into them.  It didn't happen that way in several of the early Season 2 episodes, mind you, but later on, they would only catch players who actually tried searching for the key.  For example, Paula should not have met any Temple Guards, technically speaking— she didn't even reach into the trees, but one of them caught her as she was passing through the room anyway. ;) I don't think there was a Temple Spirit in either of the trees in the Ahmed Baba episode, personally, but it's still possible.

Otherwise, with the Cosa Rara episode, I'm on THK's side with this one, but that might only be because it looks like the Pirate Captain configuration (except for the correct entrance room and the half-Pendant placement).  I didn't really see the Troubled Bridge-Observatory door open myself, either.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 03, 2011, 12:57:34 PM
I agree with you now about the Cosa Rara guard being the Crypt. I was thinking that the Observatory door was open from the bridge because the giant stone door was down. But I forgot that the giant stone door leading to the Pit was installed in season three and not in season two. So the only sensual place then would be in the Crypt, which means the team would've probably been forced down from there if they chose to go that in that room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 03, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
Okay, I am going to finish up the S2L3 episodes and do S2L4 episodes also since there is only 4 of them. Also, half of the runs involved all 3 encounters, and the other ones mostly had predictable guards, so no need for much reasearch on these ones.

THE SHRIVELED HAND OF EFOUA
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Ledges? (it had to be a bottom room of the temple. Unless the Laser Light Room door opened from the Rock Quarry, I think the last guard would've been in the Ledges.)

THE MASK OF THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)
-- The Crypt? (it would be similar to the other runs where the artifact would be in the Observatory, and it would be a trap guard if the team was dumb enough to take the direct path)

THE CROWN OF QUEEN NZINGA
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)

THE TWO-CORNERED HAT OF NAPOLEON
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)

THE SILK SASH OF MULAN
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Observatory (encountered)
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)

THE GOLDEN GOBLET OF ATTILA THE HUN
-- Meusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Ledges
-- The Room of the Secret Password

Okay this one is kind of tricky. Rachelle entered almost every room of the temple except the Ledges, Dark Forest, and Room of the Secret Password. She also found the half-pendant on the Medusa's Lair actuator. My guess for the other two temple guards would be in the Ledges and the Room of the Secret Password since it would make little sense for the guard to be in Dark Forest because the room is locked from the Jester's COurt

THE LEOPARD SKIN CLOAK OF ANNIE OAKLEY
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Ledges (the only other room the team did not enter was the Observatory, but I doubt the producers would put another guard one room away from the temple, or even make the contestants go into the room.)


THE SNAKESKIN BOOTS OF BILLY THE KID
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Secret Password? (it can't be Medusa's Lair or the Observatory because both doors were locked when Kelly tried them. The King's Storeroom did not open from the Jester's Court either.)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 04, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
My notes for these:

THE SHRIVELED HAND OF EFOUA:
Like I've said before for many episodes, it should be possible to run into all three guards, especially considering the team in this episode had two pendants.  The only two options are that the guard was in the Ledges which would force them up into the Crypt or it was in the Dark Forest, although that makes it inevitable they would hit all three guards.  (That is still a possibility since they had two pendants.)

THE  MASK OF THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK:
It could only have been in the Crypt or the Lightning Ball Room.  (They entered the King's Storeroom at the last seconds so the temple guard still would have appeared)  To me, the Lightning Ball Room sounds stupid as an option since the Mine Shaft-Shrine passage opened.

THE GOLDEN GOBLET OF ATTILA THE HUN:
One pretty much had to be in the Ledges for triple capture to be possible.  For the other one, I'm leaning towards the Room of the Secret Password, although I think the Shrine-Mine Shaft door would have opened anyway.

THE LEOPARD-SKIN CLOAK OF ANNIE OAKLEY:
I'm really convinced it was in the Ledges for two reasons.  One, they already went through enough rooms that the Storeroom-Medusa's Lair door should have opened.  Two, if they hit a temple guard in the Ledges, the first player would have been removed in the Laser Light Room, as opposed to one room away, making that simple choice of which room to enter from ultimately decide how difficult the run would be.

THE SNAKESKIN BOOTS OF BILLY THE KID:
The Room of the Secret Password seems like the only possibility, although it seems stupid to me since there should be no incentive to enter that room.  The only other option I can think of is if the door up from the Laser Light Room did open, and to me, that really doesn't seem all that unlikely.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on June 04, 2011, 01:16:31 AM
For 'The Golden Goblet of Atilla the Hun', you can hear the sound of the Dark Forest Door opening in the Jester's Court.

Likewise, you can hear the sound of the King's Storeroom door opening in the Jester's Court for the 'Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid'.

It's possible that a guard was in each of the rooms I mentioned for each run.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 04, 2011, 03:16:25 AM
For 'The Golden Goblet of Atilla the Hun', you can hear the sound of the Dark Forest Door opening in the Jester's Court.

Likewise, you can hear the sound of the King's Storeroom door opening in the Jester's Court for the 'Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid'.

It's possible that a guard was in each of the rooms I mentioned for each run.

I always thought the sound was the same no matter what door opened.  I thought it was just a matter of seeing which door opened.  Obviously that's difficult since the lights go out, but you would be able to see incoming light at the top of the room or you would be able to make out the color difference for the side doors.

By the way, I should have clarified this, but what I was thinking for the Snakeskin Boots was that the door up from the Laser Light Room could have opened up an alternate path through the central column and through the King's Storeroom instead of through the bottom floor.  The problem is it's really hard to see whether that door leading up did or didn't open.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 04, 2011, 03:21:08 AM
Actually, I think the trees weren't supposed to catch any players unless they reached into them.  It didn't happen that way in several of the early Season 2 episodes, mind you, but later on, they would only catch players who actually tried searching for the key.  For example, Paula should not have met any Temple Guards, technically speaking— she didn't even reach into the trees, but one of them caught her as she was passing through the room anyway. ;) I don't think there was a Temple Spirit in either of the trees in the Ahmed Baba episode, personally, but it's still possible.


Well, that did also happen to some contestants in Season 3.  In the Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, Miriam was captured in the Dark Forest, but never tried to reach in.  That's the only instance I can name off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure that happened to a few more people.

EDIT: Although I think sometimes they did wait until the player reached in, but I always thought that was just a matter of actually being able to grab them.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 04, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
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THE SHRIVELED HAND OF EFOUA:
Like I've said before for many episodes, it should be possible to run into all three guards, especially considering the team in this episode had two pendants.  The only two options are that the guard was in the Ledges which would force them up into the Crypt or it was in the Dark Forest, although that makes it inevitable they would hit all three guards.  (That is still a possibility since they had two pendants.)

You know, I kind of agree with you there. It is possible that the last guard could be in the Dark Forest since the second kid was too stupid to plow through the wall. Also, it wouldn't be the first run where a team was forced to encounter all three temple guards. "Alexander and the Gordian Knot" and "The Discarded-Seal of Ivan the Terrible" all had unavoidable temple guards. It just depends on how much the producers are banking on the team.

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THE  MASK OF THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK:
It could only have been in the Crypt or the Lightning Ball Room.  (They entered the King's Storeroom at the last seconds so the temple guard still would have appeared)  To me, the Lightning Ball Room sounds stupid as an option since the Mine Shaft-Shrine passage opened.

It is possible that the Lightning Ball Room did have a temple guard, perhaps if the producers were thinking that the kids would take the elevator rather than trying the Mine-Shrine passage. But I still have to go with the Crypt because of the whole direct path thing.

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THE GOLDEN GOBLET OF ATTILA THE HUN:
One pretty much had to be in the Ledges for triple capture to be possible.  For the other one, I'm leaning towards the Room of the Secret Password, although I think the Shrine-Mine Shaft door would have opened anyway.

Its possible that the Secret Password would only open up though, similar to "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan". Its not too far of a reach even though the layout looks long. Rachelle did add two extra rooms to her layout also.

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THE LEOPARD-SKIN CLOAK OF ANNIE OAKLEY:
I'm really convinced it was in the Ledges for two reasons.  One, they already went through enough rooms that the Storeroom-Medusa's Lair door should have opened.  Two, if they hit a temple guard in the Ledges, the first player would have been removed in the Laser Light Room, as opposed to one room away, making that simple choice of which room to enter from ultimately decide how difficult the run would be.

Yeah, it had to be in the Ledges. I don't think the producers would ever use the Observatory as a temple guard placement in  center of the temple runs. It would also make the one room away run more simple as you said.

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THE SNAKESKIN BOOTS OF BILLY THE KID:
The Room of the Secret Password seems like the only possibility, although it seems stupid to me since there should be no incentive to enter that room.  The only other option I can think of is if the door up from the Laser Light Room did open, and to me, that really doesn't seem all that unlikely.

I agree that it does seem kind of weird, but it could also be similar to "the Diary of Dr. Livingstone" where they might expect the team to jump right into the elevator rather than trying the Shrine door, which does happen in a few runs (Annie Oakley, Ahmed Baba, the Two-Cornered Hat of Napoleon)

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For 'The Golden Goblet of Atilla the Hun', you can hear the sound of the Dark Forest Door opening in the Jester's Court.

Likewise, you can hear the sound of the King's Storeroom door opening in the Jester's Court for the 'Snakeskin Boots of Billy the Kid'.

It's possible that a guard was in each of the rooms I mentioned for each run.

Not sure if the door to the Dark Forest opened in Attila the Hun, but if it did, I would assume the Mine Shaft wall would be locked similar to Keys to the Alhambra and the Imperial Purple Robe.

The King's Storeroom door definitely did not open in Billy the Kid though. You would be able to tell because of the light from the room above.

Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 04, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
I might as well knock out the rest of season 2:

THE GOLDEN PEPPERONI OF CATHARINE DE' MEDICI
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)

THE GOLDEN EARRING OF HENRY MORGAN
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Mine Shaft (encountered)
-- The Ledges? (since they had one pendant, one of the guards had to be avoidable. Usually one pendant runs involves a guard being in one of the entrance rooms of the temple. I also don't think they would have guards back to back in the Mine Shaft and Secret Password.)

THE MILK BUCKET OF FREYDIS
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Crypt? (direct path guard)
-- The Mine Shaft? (I am not sure if the Room of the Mandarin Hand door opened, but she never plowed through the wall.)

Interesting enough, this run shares the exact same layout as "the Belly Button of Buddha". I am not sure if the Room of the Mandarin Hand opened when she completed the Laser Light room objective, but its also possible that the guard was in there too.

THE MISSIGN WEATHER MAPS OF CHARLES LINDBERGH
-- The Ledges (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)

THE LEVITATING DOG LEASH OF NOSTRADAMUS
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Room of the Mandarin Hand (encountered)
-- The Ledges?

It had to be the Ledges in this run. The door to the Observatory was locked when Elizabeth tried it from the Pit. Also, the room leading to the Jester's Court from the Laser Light room was also locked. And since Jason found the half-pendant on the Laser Light Room actuator, that means one of the temple guards had to be before the Laser Light Room.

THE BROKEN WING OF ICARUS
-- The Room of the Mandarin Hand (encountered)
-- ?
-- ?

This one is kind of tricky to be honest. He did not bother entering any of the left rooms of the temple at all. I would imagine one guard might have been there. Perhaps the other one was in the Ledges?

THE BONNET OF DOLLEY MADISON
-- The Ledges (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom
-- ?

For the last one, it had to be either in the Secret Password, Room of the Mandarin Hand or Laster Light room. You can see that the Room of the Mandarin Hand was open when Matt completed the Observatory objective. It looks like the Room of the Secret Password was locked after Ashlie completed the monkey.

THE PRICELESS PORTRAIT OF THE POLYNESIAN GIRL
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Room of the Mandarin Hand (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)


Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on June 04, 2011, 03:53:58 PM
THE GOLDEN EARRING OF HENRY MORGAN
-- The Laser Light Room (encountered)
-- The Mine Shaft (encountered)
-- The Ledges? (since they had one pendant, one of the guards had to be avoidable. Usually one pendant runs involves a guard being in one of the entrance rooms of the temple. I also don't think they would have guards back to back in the Mine Shaft and Secret Password.)

It's very possible that the extra guard was in the Room of the Secret Password, as a way to add insult to injury for the team if they had taken the longest route possible.  Remember that Ashley found the key in the Dark Forest, but did not use it to go up; had she done so, it would have been a solo win for the team.  Loading both of the back rooms with Temple Guards has happened before, and it's a good way to complicate things if teams forget the shortcuts.

THE BROKEN WING OF ICARUS
-- The Room of the Mandarin Hand (encountered)
-- ?
-- ?

This one is kind of tricky to be honest. He did not bother entering any of the left rooms of the temple at all. I would imagine one guard might have been there. Perhaps the other one was in the Ledges?

Another possibility could have been the Laser Light Room, although it wasn't very clear if the door had opened.  Combined with the Ledges, that could have been a sort of reverse-psychology trap for teams trying to start low, but who knows? :lol:
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 04, 2011, 07:15:43 PM
Once again, please refrain from continuing until I have completed my notes for Season 3.  It shouldn't take long though, because Season 3 is a lot easier.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 04, 2011, 11:38:12 PM
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THE GOLDEN GOBLET OF ATTILA THE HUN:
One pretty much had to be in the Ledges for triple capture to be possible.  For the other one, I'm leaning towards the Room of the Secret Password, although I think the Shrine-Mine Shaft door would have opened anyway.

Its possible that the Secret Password would only open up though, similar to "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan". Its not too far of a reach even though the layout looks long. Rachelle did add two extra rooms to her layout also.

Actually, I looked back at the episode and she only entered one unnecessary room, which was the Observatory.  She could have cut straight to Medusa's Lair from the Pit, but after Medusa's Lair, she was forced down the path she took and could not have taken any other shortcuts.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 08, 2011, 01:40:14 AM
Okay.  After collecting my information and then some extra time when the site was down, I'm ready to continue with Season 3.  A few notes before I begin though.


Season 3 improved on many things from the first two seasons for the temple runs.  One of them is that unlocked doors only opened through the forward path.  What I mean by this is that let's say that from the Pit of the Pendulum, the doors to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers and to the Tomb of the Headless Kings opens, but the Chamber would only force you down into the Tomb.  Completing the Tomb's objective won't open the upward path, just the door to the Jester's Court.

Another thing, and this is one of the main reasons why I love Season 3 the most, is that almost no rooms had a simple 'press the button' objective, even the Pit room!   This makes locating the temple guards much easier because in almost every room, ALL unlocked doors WILL open. (except for instances of the previous note, but it still helps A LOT)

Another thing with Season 3 is that it featured much fewer full on dead-ends.  In fact, as far as I know, the costly detour in The Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack (the very first episode of Season 3) was the only dead-end they used in Season 3.  They did still use detour rooms to waste time for players who entered the wrong rooms, but other than the first episode, they never had a path lead the players to a full on dead-end.

Some notes about temple guard locations:
First of all, as any Legends fan knows, no temple guards are ever hidden in the Jester's Court, so that makes locating the temple guards easier.

This note is specifically about the Ledges.  In Seasons 1 and 2, if a temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs/Ledges, they would be at the bottom level, out of sight of the players.  However, in Season 3, if a temple guard was in the Ledges, they would be at the top level, out of sight, and early in the season, the lights in the room would be dimmed to make sure the players were unable to see the guard.  This idea of dimming the lights actually makes it kind of obvious when they were hiding a guard in the Ledges.

One last note about Season 3 involves the half-pendant locations.  It seems that in Season 1, they hid the pendants way too harshly and they were almost never found.  In Season 2, they weren't "hidden" very well and were almost inevitably found.  Season 3 had a good compromise between the two.  The pendants were still hidden in plain sight, but often in places where the players may not have noticed their presence.


Enough ramblings.  Let's continue.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 08, 2011, 01:55:40 AM
PLEASE READ THIS FIRST:  Since we can't divide Season 3 into layouts (because Season 3 was a layout itself),  let's do this in an organized fashion, 5 AT A TIME.

THE BIFOCAL MONOCLE OF ONE-EYED JACK:
-Encountered Guards: Room of the Ancient Warriors, King's Storeroom.
-Unencountered Guards:  One thing many people don't notice about this episode is that at the last seconds, the second runner picks up the half-pendant from the base of the right-hand skeleton.  With this, we can confirm that the last guard had to be beyond this point.  I'm going to narrow the possibilities to the Dark Forest and the Quicksand Bog.

THE COMET-EMBROIDERED FLAG OF WILLIAM THE CONQUERER:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Tomb of the Headless Kings, Room of the Ancient Warriors.

THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

THE MUCH-HERALDED HELMET OF SIR GAWAIN:
-Encountered Guards: NONE!
-Unencountered Guards: The only other rooms they were given access to were the Ledges, The Room of the Secret Password, and the Quicksand Bog.

THE LION-HEADED BRACELET OF CHANDRAGUPTA:
-Encountered Guards: Room of the Ancient Warriors
-Unencountered Guards: The only other rooms they were given access to were the Crypt and the Dark Forest.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on June 08, 2011, 02:04:15 AM
As far as Gawain is concerned, I think there was a guard in the Chamber, but since the cover didn't go up when Tiffani completed, despite the flash of light that normally accompanies it, the guard couldn't capture it. This is further evidenced in that the cover doesn't go up when Tiffani grabs the helmet (it should've, as it did when Gator grabbed the Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak).
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2011, 02:12:50 AM
Its possible that one of the guards in the War Fan run was in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Sometimes the producers hid the temple guards in suits of armor that did not unlock the doors (i.e. "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror" and "the Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible".)

Also, I know this has been discussed before for the Sir Gawain run, but its possible one of the guards was actually in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. The door never opens at all during the run, even when Tiffani grabs the artifact. Also, I am pretty sure the third half-pendant is located in that same room.

Finally, Andrea finds the half-pendant in the Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta run. I haven't seen that episode in a while, but I think your temple guard placement is good.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2011, 02:28:08 AM
I will do the next five episodes since they are easy for the most part:

THE LION-SLASHED JACKET OF SACAGAWEA
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Ledges? (this one is kind of tricky since Mike never completed the monkey in time, so we don't know if they would be directly granted access into the Secret Password. The half-pendant is visible in the Chamber though I am pretty sure, so perhaps the temple guard was in the Ledges)

THE SECRET MAP OF THE BANDIT QUEEN
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers? (It has to be either this room or the Ledges. The Chamber did open when Miriam knocked down the column, making it possibly a useless detour if the team wanted to try the direct path)

THE THORNWOOD GAVEL OF JUDGE ROY BEAN
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Room of the Secret Password (encountered)
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)

THE SNOW CONE OF MOUNT KILIMANJARO
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest
-- The Quicksand Bog (you can see the pile of boxes during certain points in the run. Don't ask me where the half-pendant is though)

THE UPSIDE DOWN COMPASS OF HENRY HUDSON
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 08, 2011, 02:43:41 AM
As far as Gawain is concerned, I think there was a guard in the Chamber, but since the cover didn't go up when Tiffani completed, despite the flash of light that normally accompanies it, the guard couldn't capture it. This is further evidenced in that the cover doesn't go up when Tiffani grabs the helmet (it should've, as it did when Gator grabbed the Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak).

Well, the thing is that actually in a lot of the temple runs, particularly the earlier ones in Season 3, the cover never goes up.  For example, The Comet-Embroidered Flag of William the Conquerer and The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen.

Keep in mind that this episode was done on the first day, so some things may seem odd.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 08, 2011, 03:00:09 AM
Its possible that one of the guards in the War Fan run was in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Sometimes the producers hid the temple guards in suits of armor that did not unlock the doors (i.e. "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror" and "the Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible".)

Thanks for pointing that out.  When I was looking back, I kept watch to see if they checked all three suits, but I forgot about that for this one.

First of all, in the "Battle Flag" run, it WAS in the correct armor.

Also, I've noticed that when they do put the guard in a different armor, they usually put it in one of the suits they expect the players to check first.  For example, in the "Discarded Seal," they came in from the Shrine.  The right-side armor was the correct armor, but they put the guard in the left-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.  Also, in The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta, Andrea enters from the King's Storeroom.  The correct armor was the middle armor, but they put the guard in the right-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.

It is still a possibility, since they had one pendant and a guard had to be avoidable.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 08, 2011, 03:25:58 AM
For THE LION-SLASHED JACKET OF SACAGAWEA, I'm a little confused.  There seems to be enough lighting and a good enough camera angle to show that there wasn't a guard in the Ledges, but if that's the case, the only other room it could be is the Dark Forest, because we do get to see that there wasn't a pileup of foam bricks in the Quicksand Bog to hide a temple guard.  I'm going to keep both as possibilities.

For THE SECRET MAP OF THE BANDIT QUEEN, I'm fairly sure it was in the Chamber because of the lighting in the Ledges and because I think we're able to get a good enough view to see there wasn't one in the Ledges.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 08, 2011, 09:59:31 AM
Yeah, the middle suit in the "Battle Flag" episode DID open the door to The Chamber of the Sacred Markers. The boy just didn't look to see if it was open and it cost him a chance at victory. Watch it and look at the door on the bottom, right as he gets caught. Skip to 6:02 for this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3MkXwDSTU&feature=related

Clearly you can see the door leading to The Chamber open.

As for the "War Fan" episode, you can't forget the possibility of the final temple guard being in The Dark Forest. When Jeremy completes the monkey in The Shrine, the door leading down to The Dark Forest opens. I know it might seem odd to put a guard in one of the trees in a room next to the Quicksand Bog (where the War Fan was), but it's possible. If he did go down there, the tree to the left (closest to Quicksand Bog) might have tried to nab him as he tried to bust through the wall. Who knows, maybe the wall wouldn't budge, making this a trap room. However, we'll never know as Jeremy never went down there. As for the final temple guard possibly being in The Ledges, I just don't find that possible. Putting two guards in the first two rooms would be an absolute cruel thing to do.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2011, 10:19:52 AM
Its possible that one of the guards in the War Fan run was in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Sometimes the producers hid the temple guards in suits of armor that did not unlock the doors (i.e. "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror" and "the Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible".)

Thanks for pointing that out.  When I was looking back, I kept watch to see if they checked all three suits, but I forgot about that for this one.

First of all, in the "Battle Flag" run, it WAS in the correct armor.

Also, I've noticed that when they do put the guard in a different armor, they usually put it in one of the suits they expect the players to check first.  For example, in the "Discarded Seal," they came in from the Shrine.  The right-side armor was the correct armor, but they put the guard in the left-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.  Also, in The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta, Andrea enters from the King's Storeroom.  The correct armor was the middle armor, but they put the guard in the right-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.

It is still a possibility, since they had one pendant and a guard had to be avoidable.

Sorry, I meant "the Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta" for the other run, not "the Battle Flag" run with the avoidable guard in the Room of the Ancient Warrior. Too many Green Monkey runs in season 3.  :|

I went back and watched the War Fan episode, and the Dark Forest did indeed open when the silver monkey was completed. Its possible that there was a guard down there if the team was too stupid to plow through the walls instead of checking the trees like in "the Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard". But I don't think that's the case here.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2011, 10:53:17 AM
Quote
This note is specifically about the Ledges.  In Seasons 1 and 2, if a temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs/Ledges, they would be at the bottom level, out of sight of the players.  However, in Season 3, if a temple guard was in the Ledges, they would be at the top level, out of sight, and early in the season, the lights in the room would be dimmed to make sure the players were unable to see the guard.  This idea of dimming the lights actually makes it kind of obvious when they were hiding a guard in the Ledges.

Just wanted to respond to this little tidbit also while I am at it. Do we know for sure that the guards in the Ledges in season 3 were always at the top? I mean the only time a temple guard was ever encountered in the Ledges during season 3 was in "the Dried-Apple Half of William Tell". I am not sure if the guards were always located in that spot in the Ledges, or that it was only for that episode.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 08, 2011, 10:54:41 AM
Its possible that one of the guards in the War Fan run was in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Sometimes the producers hid the temple guards in suits of armor that did not unlock the doors (i.e. "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror" and "the Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible".)

Thanks for pointing that out.  When I was looking back, I kept watch to see if they checked all three suits, but I forgot about that for this one.

First of all, in the "Battle Flag" run, it WAS in the correct armor.

Also, I've noticed that when they do put the guard in a different armor, they usually put it in one of the suits they expect the players to check first.  For example, in the "Discarded Seal," they came in from the Shrine.  The right-side armor was the correct armor, but they put the guard in the left-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.  Also, in The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta, Andrea enters from the King's Storeroom.  The correct armor was the middle armor, but they put the guard in the right-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.

It is still a possibility, since they had one pendant and a guard had to be avoidable.

Sorry, I meant "the Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta" for the other run, not "the Battle Flag" run with the avoidable guard in the Room of the Ancient Warrior. Too many Green Monkey runs in season 3.  :|

I went back and watched the War Fan episode, and the Dark Forest did indeed open when the silver monkey was completed. Its possible that there was a guard down there if the team was too stupid to plow through the walls instead of checking the trees like in "the Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard". But I don't think that's the case here.

But the show always seems to have stupid players entering the temple, so you never know. I still say The Dark Forest held the final temple guard.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2011, 02:18:45 PM
Its possible that one of the guards in the War Fan run was in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Sometimes the producers hid the temple guards in suits of armor that did not unlock the doors (i.e. "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror" and "the Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible".)

Thanks for pointing that out.  When I was looking back, I kept watch to see if they checked all three suits, but I forgot about that for this one.

First of all, in the "Battle Flag" run, it WAS in the correct armor.

Also, I've noticed that when they do put the guard in a different armor, they usually put it in one of the suits they expect the players to check first.  For example, in the "Discarded Seal," they came in from the Shrine.  The right-side armor was the correct armor, but they put the guard in the left-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.  Also, in The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta, Andrea enters from the King's Storeroom.  The correct armor was the middle armor, but they put the guard in the right-side armor because they expected them to check that one first.

It is still a possibility, since they had one pendant and a guard had to be avoidable.

Sorry, I meant "the Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta" for the other run, not "the Battle Flag" run with the avoidable guard in the Room of the Ancient Warrior. Too many Green Monkey runs in season 3.  :|

I went back and watched the War Fan episode, and the Dark Forest did indeed open when the silver monkey was completed. Its possible that there was a guard down there if the team was too stupid to plow through the walls instead of checking the trees like in "the Mystical Spellbook of the Imperial Wizard". But I don't think that's the case here.

But the show always seems to have stupid players entering the temple, so you never know. I still say The Dark Forest held the final temple guard.

Oh its totally possible that there could be a guard down there. I know though that the Jester's Court did not open from the Tomb of the Headless Kings, so there would be no alternate path on along the bottom floor for the temple.

I just can't imagine the last guard being in the Ledges, unless the producers were expecting the team to start in the Ledges, then force them up to the Crypt. The only run that I think that could ever feature a temple guard in both entrance rooms of the temple would be "the Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza", but that was not until the last production day of the show.

Also, good luck to whoever is doing the next five episodes. Those are like the most unbearable runs of the third season.  :|
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on June 08, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
May as well do the next five...

THE BENT SHAVING PAN OF JEDIDIAH SMITH

Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
Quicksand Bog? Seems to be the most logical spot considering that Irish was taken out only one room away.

THE MARBLE ARMREST OF XERXES

Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
Dark Forest (encountered)
Shrine of the Silver Monkey? The third guard was likely on the top floor, so I think it's either here or the Ancient Warriors.

THE SMASHED PRINTING PLATE OF FREDERICK DOUGLASS

Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
Dark Forest (encountered)
The Crypt (They entered via the Ledges, and the only other room that could've had a guard that they didn't enter was the Storeroom.)

THE MYSTICAL SPELLBOOK OF THE IMPERIAL WIZARD

Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
Quicksand Bog (encountered)
Tomb of the Headless Kings (had to have been either here or the Chamber considering the path they took.)

THE USELESS MAP OF THE CHIBCHA CHIEFTAIN

The Crypt (encountered)
Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
King's Storeroom (encountered)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 08, 2011, 08:13:08 PM
I already had the next 5 episodes done a while ago. Most of them are triple temple guard seizures anyways. They are also the impossible layout temple runs.

THE GOLDEN SPIDER WEB OF ROBERT THE BRUCE
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
-- The Quicksand Bog (encountered)

THE DISCARDED SEAL OF IVAN THE TERRIBLE
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)

THE MYSTERIOUS MANUSCRIPT OF MARY SHELLEY
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Room of the Secret Password? (the Tomb of the Headless Kings was locked. The only other locations would be the Secret Password, Quicksand Bog, or the Ledges.)

THE DRIED-APPLE HALF OF WILLIAM TELL
-- The Ledges (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- ? (Honestly, the team did not make it far enough in the temple to determine where the last guard was. It could've been the Dark Forest, Quicksand Bog, Secret Password, or Shrine. I would take a stab at it and say the Quicksand Bog).

THE MISSING PORTRAIT OF HANS HOLBEIN
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
-- The Room of the Secret Password (encountered)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 09, 2011, 01:07:43 PM
Quote
This note is specifically about the Ledges.  In Seasons 1 and 2, if a temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs/Ledges, they would be at the bottom level, out of sight of the players.  However, in Season 3, if a temple guard was in the Ledges, they would be at the top level, out of sight, and early in the season, the lights in the room would be dimmed to make sure the players were unable to see the guard.  This idea of dimming the lights actually makes it kind of obvious when they were hiding a guard in the Ledges.

Just wanted to respond to this little tidbit also while I am at it. Do we know for sure that the guards in the Ledges in season 3 were always at the top? I mean the only time a temple guard was ever encountered in the Ledges during season 3 was in "the Dried-Apple Half of William Tell". I am not sure if the guards were always located in that spot in the Ledges, or that it was only for that episode.

Well, in some runs, like The Metal Beard of the Egyptian Queen, we can see the guard sitting up there when the player is returning.  It didn't happen a lot though since most players exited through the Crypt.

Plus the whole thing with dimming the lights helps prove it since they never had to do that in Season 2.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 10, 2011, 12:44:34 AM
Quote
This note is specifically about the Ledges.  In Seasons 1 and 2, if a temple guard was in the Cave of Sighs/Ledges, they would be at the bottom level, out of sight of the players.  However, in Season 3, if a temple guard was in the Ledges, they would be at the top level, out of sight, and early in the season, the lights in the room would be dimmed to make sure the players were unable to see the guard.  This idea of dimming the lights actually makes it kind of obvious when they were hiding a guard in the Ledges.

Just wanted to respond to this little tidbit also while I am at it. Do we know for sure that the guards in the Ledges in season 3 were always at the top? I mean the only time a temple guard was ever encountered in the Ledges during season 3 was in "the Dried-Apple Half of William Tell". I am not sure if the guards were always located in that spot in the Ledges, or that it was only for that episode.

Well, in some runs, like The Metal Beard of the Egyptian Queen, we can see the guard sitting up there when the player is returning.  It didn't happen a lot though since most players exited through the Crypt.

Plus the whole thing with dimming the lights helps prove it since they never had to do that in Season 2.

Interesting, I've never noticed that about the Metal Beard run. I remember someone mentioning it before, I never went back in check.

It would be helpful if all the temple guard placements were like this for the Ledges. It makes sense to stand at the top of the Ledges in season 3 due to the darkness of the room space like you mentioned. Also, a lot of contestants preferred the Crypt due to its easier access to the Pit. I am actually surprised the Ledges were used at all in season 3 to be honest, it was much easier to use the Crypt.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 10, 2011, 01:02:23 AM
I guess I will do the next 5 since they are not complicated or tricky.  ;)

THE IVORY HUNTING HORN OF ROLAND
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The King's Storeroom? (the room opened up when Yakerra knocked the column down, possibly creating a trap guard for the direct path route)
-- The Quicksand Bog? (just in case the team plowed through the wall)

THE ROYAL TORQUE OF QUEEN BOADICEA
-- The Crypt (encountered)
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)

THE LOST HORNPIPE OF THE PIRATE CAPTAIN
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Ledges (It was the only unlocked room they didn't enter, unless you want to argue that a guard could've been in the Room of the Secret Password and Jared managed to get out of there in time)

THE ENORMOUS FEATHER OF THE ME LINH
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)
-- The Room of the Secret Password? (It had to be either that room or the Ledges. I will go with the Secret Password though because the Ledges were a rare place to have a guard)

Also, one an unrelated note, god was she stupid or what in the temple? I forgot how she made no attempt to run faster after even getting the feather. -_-

THE RED SASH OF TROKUGAWA IEYASU
-- The King's Storeroom (encountered)
-- The Room of the Secret Password (encountered)
-- The Quicksand Bog (encountered)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 10, 2011, 12:04:19 PM
I'll give the next three episodes a try:

THE BROKEN TRIDENT OF POSEIDON (this one's going to be hard)
-- The Ledges? (I think one had to be there. No guard in The Crypt and with 2 pendants, I think it makes sense)
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers? (the door leading to this room via Headless Kings might have opened, but I'm not sure)
-- Room of the Ancient Warriors? (if Kimberly took this path, then this room would be a possibility. Either that or The King's Storeroom)
The Dark Forest is also a possibility with the tree on the right. Again, this one's hard and nearly impossible to label the guard locations.

THE LILY-CRESTED CROWN OF CLOVIS THE FIRST
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Ledges? (again, another team with 2 pendants and The Crypt was already an entered room. The Room of the Secret Password and The Dark Forest are also possibilities, but we'll never know as the monkey was never assembled. I wonder if the door leading down into The Tomb of the Headless Kings had opened via Chamber, the guard could've been down there as well)

THE MUSSEL-SHELL ARMOR OF APANUUGPAK (yay, an easy one!)
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)


Maybe someone has a better view of where the guards were in the first two episodes I listed.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 10, 2011, 12:46:13 PM
I agree with your temple guard placement for "the Broken Trident of Poseidon" for the most part. If you watch the run and pay attention to the Dark Forest, you will notice that the tree on the right (the one near the Jester's Court) has its arm slightly elevated, possibly waiting for Kimberly to reach inside the tree. I have seen this occur in other runs in the temple.

I am not sure if the Chamber did unlock though. Neither the Chamber or King's Storeroom opened from the Pit when Kimberly knocked the column down. Perhaps it did open from the Tomb of the Headless Kings.

For "the Lily-Crested Crown of Clovis the First", its possible the Room of the Secret Password would open up. But since the team never assembled the monkey in time, we don't know if it ever did.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 10, 2011, 01:38:39 PM
Out of curiosity, was there ever a guard in The Jester's Court? For some reason, I feel like I remember seeing one there once before, but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on June 10, 2011, 01:41:34 PM
Out of curiosity, was there ever a guard in The Jester's Court? For some reason, I feel like I remember seeing one there once before, but I might be wrong.

There never was, likely due to a lack of a place to hide them.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 10, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Out of curiosity, was there ever a guard in The Jester's Court? For some reason, I feel like I remember seeing one there once before, but I might be wrong.

There never was, likely due to a lack of a place to hide them.

Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 11, 2011, 12:15:06 AM
Okay,  I've fallen behind so time to make up some big-time time. (lol, Fogg quote  :mrgreen: )

First, something about the highly controversial War Fan episode.  Along with my previous observations, I'm really thinking the Dark Forest is not a possibility, because it needs to be possible to encounter all three temple guards, so if it was in the Dark Forest, either the Dark Forest or the Room of the Secret Password had to be a dead-end.  However, other than that first episode in Season 3, they didn't have any completely dead-ends in the third season.  You could argue that it could be a situation similar to The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean where they put one guard on each path and both paths lead to the same place, but I'm really doubting that here since we're talking about two rooms that were both adjacent to the artifact room.

The War Fan episode may be on the table for a long time, but this is my position on it.


Now, onto the episodes you've all covered:

THE BENT SHAVING PAN OF JEDEDIAH SMITH:
The door to the Chamber did not open, so I'm thinking it was in the Ledges or the Quicksand Bog.  I'm more thinking the ledges, because I believe I can see a silhouette of a temple guard in there at some point.

THE MARBLE ARMREST OF XERXES:
Based on the path they took and what doors unlocked, it seems that all three encounters were forced, unless they put the other guard in the King's Storeroom.  I doubt that though, because they kind of made it obvious where the half-pendant was, which hints that all three were forced.  Though, it was almost impossible for the frontrunner to miss, but easy for the second runner to forget.  So, I'm saying Password, Shrine, or Warriors.

THE SMASHED PRINTING PLATE OF FREDERICK DOUGLASS:
Could have been in the Crypt or the King's Storeroom.  To me, either seems equally likely.

THE MYSTICAL SPELL BOOK OF THE IMPERIAL WIZARD:
The only place that makes sense is the Chamber of the Sacred Markers.

THE MYSTERIOUS MANUSCRIPT OF MARY SHELLEY:
Because of how dark it was in the Ledges (seriously, it was REALLY dark in there this time), I'm thinking the guard was in the Ledges.  However, something strange happens in this episode and I have a theory why.  While the first runner is in the Room of the Ancient Warriors, the middle suit spins around as if a temple guard were in there BEFORE she tried that suit.  I really think a temple guard was supposed to be in there, but because of the screw-up, he was unable to grab her.  This, combined with the abnormally long time it took the guard in the Shrine to come out makes me think that since the guard screwed up in the Warriors, they told him to just go to the next room to make the capture.  THIS IS JUST A THEORY EXPLAINING A STRANGE HAPPENING.

THE DRIED APPLE-HALF OF WILLIAM TELL:
They didn't make it far enough to know where the other guard was, but I have a theory.  Since they had two pendants and the first two guards were unavoidable, it seems pointless to make the third encounter optional, so I'm thinking it was in the Dark Forest or the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, because they already went through enough rooms that the upward passage from the Dark Forest to the Shrine should have opened.

THE IVORY HUNTING HORN OF ROLAND:
Definitely, one was in the Quicksand Bog, because in the credits, they do a first-person view down the Shrine-Bog passage and we clearly see the pile-up of blocks hiding a temple guard.  I'm going to say the other was either in the King's Storeroom or the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, based on which Pit doors opened and where the half-pendant was.

THE LOST HORNPIPE OF THE PIRATE CAPTAIN:
Definitely in the Ledges.

THE ENORMOUS FEATHER OF THE ME LINH:
I'm saying the Ledges because of the darkness again, plus the only other option is the Room of the Secret Password, which really seems unlikely considering their path.

THE BROKEN TRIDENT OF POSEIDON:
It is difficult for me to piece this one together.  I can only assume there was an alternate path up the central column and through the Room of the Ancient Warriors.  However, if this path is true, a temple guard in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers would be behind the cover, but when she grabs the Trident (and before she DROPS it), that cover slides up, showing the absence of a temple guard there, ruling out the Chamber.  So, what's left is the Ledges, the King's Storeroom, and the Room of the Ancient Warriors.

THE LILY-CRESTED CROWN OF CLOVIS THE FIRST:
Youtube's crappin' out on me for this episode, so I can only go by nicklegends' temple diagram.  Could be in the Ledges, Password, or Dark Forest.


On a final note:
We are getting close to the end, but I would like to keep this topic active so people will continue to discuss it until we can figure out definite answers.  After we get to the last ones, I will go through a comprehensive list of what episodes we still need answers for and what possibilities we narrowed it down to.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on June 11, 2011, 01:25:41 AM
Dunno about "Mê Linh"... I'm leaning more towards the third guard being in the Room of the Secret Password.  If it were in the Ledges, wouldn't it really be a dick move to have the team's first choice in the Temple doom them like that? I could understand if the team had a Pendant and a half so they could recover if they found the other half, but this team only had one.  The guards would have to be a bit easier to avoid than that.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 11, 2011, 01:35:15 AM
I would like to use this list when we are done to make a lists of temple guards that could've been avoidable during each run. Also, I want to say that this topic was a good idea. It brought some life back into the forum.  :)

As for the "Enormous Feather of the Me Linh" run. I don't think it would've been a dick move to put the last guard in the Ledges. It would be similar to "the Useless Map of the Chibcha Chieftan" where choosing the incorrect entrance room could seal the team's fate. The only difference though is that the Tomb of the Headless Kings guard was avoidable in Chibcha Chieftan.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 11, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
TAW does bring up a good point though.  I will consider the Room of the Secret Password.

And TRJ, I think that making a list like this one will give a lot better understanding of the game for Legends fans and it can definitely be put to many more uses. 

Also, this is the first topic on absolutely any forum I have started and had this much activity.  This feels awesome.


I'm gonna quickly do the next 2 to get us back on track of fives.

THE METAL BEARD OF THE EGYPTAIN QUEEN:
-Encountered guards: Tomb of the Headless Kings, Dark Forest
-Unencountered guards:  This is the episode I was talking about earlier where we can actually see the other guard in the Ledges

THE MUMMIFIED HAND OF THE EGYPTIAN KING:
-Encountered guards: Tomb of the Headless Kings, Room of the Ancient Warriors, Room of the Secret Password

It's a shame the second runner didn't keep the same path after his partner DROPPED her pendant.  He probably would have found the half-pendant in the Chamber which could have made this a victory.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on June 11, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
May as well tackle the next five...

THE LOST TAJ MAHAL TURBAN OF AURANGZEB

Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
Quicksand Bog (encountered)

THE MELTED HEAD OF MADAME TUSSAUD

Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
The Ledges? (I doubt the third guard was in either the Dark Forest or the Room of the Secret Password, as both rooms are adjacent to the Quicksand Bog, where the artifact was.)

THE PEARL NECKLACE OF GWALIOR

Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
The Ledges (aside from which room to enter the Temple in, the team didn't have any choices as to what rooms they wanted to enter)

THE BULLET-RIDDLED HANDBAG OF BELLE BOYD

Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
Dark Forest (encountered)
Quicksand Bog (encountered)

THE LOST WHALEBONE OF PYTHEAS

Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
The Ledges (Unless the producers were banking on the team taking an unnecessary detour into either the Room of the Secret Password or the King's Storeroom, it would have to be here) 
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 11, 2011, 04:17:05 PM
I think most of those are right on spot.

"The Lost Whalebone of Pytheas" temple guard had to be in the Ledges. The Room of the Secret Password did not open when Damien assembled the monkey, and the King's Storeroom would've been a useless detour.

"The Melted Head of Madame Tussaud" is kind of tricky, but I agree with you on that one also. It would be nice though to find where the half-pendant was located at.

Also, I don't think the team would've won in "the Mummified Hand of the Egyptian King" had Josh took Maggie's path. I think the team would've been forced up the central column in that run if they started off at the bottom, which would be two extra rooms for them to complete. Had Maggie chose to take the top route though, they could've avoided triple seizure.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 11, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
My notes for those:

THE MELTED HEAD OF MADAME TUSSAUD:
Well, I'm also considering the Room of the Secret Password.  Even though time runs out, she still completes the monkey and only the Room of the Secret Password opens.  I think it's still a possibility mostly because they had 1 1/2 pendants and the Chamber guard was already avoidable.

THE PEARL NECKLACE OF GWALIOR:
Yeah, their only other choice was the Ledges

THE LOST WHALE BONE OF PYTHEAS:
Yeah, it would make sense to put it in the Ledges because that affects the difficulty of the run depending on how early they get caught.

also, TRJ, I've explained before that in Season 3, unlocked doors never open if it only leads them backwards.  In this case, the Password-Shrine door only opens by completing the Password objective.  I still don't think it was in the Room of the Secret Password, though.



On another note with TRJ, I'm thinking the "Melted Head" half-pendant was in one of the King's Storeroom pots, but Nick had such sloppy smashing that it probably flew across the room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 11, 2011, 04:37:29 PM
I wanna do the last five because they're some of my favorites.

THE DRIED EAR OF CORN OF SOJOURNER TRUTH:
-Encountered Guards: Chamber of the Sacred Markers, Room of the Ancient Warriors, Dark Forest

THE JEWELED SCABBARD OF SFORZA:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Chamber of the Sacred Markers
-Unencountered Guards:  Had to be the Ledges.  This episode and the War Fan episode is making me revise some of my thoughts.  They only put guards in both entrance rooms when one has to be avoidable and their path has few choices.

THE GOOD-LUCK WATCH OF EMPRESS EUGENIE:
-Encountered Guards: King's Storeroom, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
-Unencountered Guards: They had access to no other rooms than the Ledges, though it could have been the Room of the Ancient Warriors since she went straight for the second armor, which happened to be right.  Although I doubt even with 2 pendants they'd put all three guards in consecutive rooms.  They only did that with once when the team had 1 1/2 pendants and they made it very obvious where the other half was.

THE RUBY EARRING OF BIN-ZIBAB:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Tomb of the Headless Kings
-Unencountered Guards: From the Pit of the Pendulum, the doors to the Tomb of the Headless Kings and the King's Storeroom opens, so I'm saying either the King's Storeroom or the Chamber of the Sacred Markers.

THE JEWEL-ENCRUSTED EGG OF CATHERINE THE GREAT:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Tomb of the Headless Kings
-Unencountered Guards: Only could be the Quicksand Bog or the Room of the Secret Password.  I'll look back and see if I can see a pile-up of blocks in the Bog.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 11, 2011, 04:49:44 PM
I saw nothing so it had to be the Room of the Secret Password for the Jewel-Encrusted Egg.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 12, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
I agree with your locations for the last five episodes. Those last four episodes in particular are great and are some of my personal favorite season 3 runs.

The last temple guard in the Jewel-Scabbard of Sforza had to be in the Ledges. My guess was that since it was the last day of production, the producers wanted to try to make these gimmicky layouts. Had the team started in the Ledges, they probably would've been forced up into the Crypt.

The other guard in the Good-Luck Watch of Empress Eugenie must've been in the Ledges, creating a direct path guard of some sorts.

I would think the Ruby Earring guard would've been in the King's Storeroom since usually there is a temple guard when two rooms open from the Pit.

I am going to go back and rewatch the season 1 episodes to try and complete the list more.



Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 12, 2011, 08:20:54 PM
For the Scabbard run, I'm thinking the Jester's Court may have opened after Lacey completed the objective in the Tomb of the Headless Kings. I still think it would be evil of the production crew to put a temple guard in both the upper and lower starting rooms, no matter what day of production it was. I don't think they would do such a thing. If the Jester's Court DID open, then that final temple guard location would be up in the air as the other four rooms had the potential to hold a guard (not including Jester's Court).

Edit: take a look at this video of the run and tell me if you can see whether or not the boxes are stacked in the Quicksand Bog (the 3:20 mark). It's hard to tell. Also, at around 5:47 to 5:48, that white stuff in the Jester's Court as Asher's getting the Scabbard. Is that light from the Tomb of the Headless Kings? If so, then that means the Headless Kings-Jester's Court door opened and this was a possible route that could've been taken. Still, I don't know what that white stuff is. Maybe someone can explain this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1Zbqpwy5Q&feature=related

Second edit: well, the video thumbnail IS the 3:20 mark, so tell me if you can see a big stack/wad of boxes.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 12, 2011, 08:42:51 PM
A few quick notes.

First, PP319, at 5:18 of the video, we can see that the door in the Tomb of the Headless Kings hadn't flung open.

Second, I recently got a new computer, and I still need to get Microsoft Word installed.  My notes were in .doc format so I can't access them until I get it installed.  Once I do have access to my notes, I'll go back and read all entries in this topic and then I'll post a list of what episodes we still need to determine for.


By the way, how do you post Youtube videos?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 12, 2011, 08:46:48 PM
Oh, I forgot about the door that just flings open. My bad.

As for posting Youtube videos. First, go to Youtube and watch a video on the video page. Then copy the link at the top in the address bar (right click and choose the copy option;you will also see paste, which will come in handy in a second). Finally, paste the link in your comment box. The video box should show up in your post. :)
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 12, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Thanks

By the way, do you guys think I'm being stupid with the whole temple guard thing in The Mysterious Manuscript of Mary Shelley, or do you think that might be what actually happened?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 12, 2011, 09:01:20 PM
Thanks

By the way, do you guys think I'm being stupid with the whole temple guard thing in The Mysterious Manuscript of Mary Shelley, or do you think that might be what actually happened?

Your welcome.

It's a possibility that a guard was in the middle suit. That was weird seeing the suit turning like that. Idk if a guard was in there or not. If there wasn't, then maybe the production crew got lazy with aligning that suit perfectly. Also, that's not the first time it took the temple guard in the shrine a long time to come out. In The Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak, Gator was already putting the base on the monkey pedistol when the guard came out.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 12, 2011, 09:28:53 PM
You know, the suit of armor does look weird in the Mary Shelley run. If you watch when Kate enters the Room of the Ancient Warrior, it is slightly out of alignment. But when she is putting herself into the first armor, the middle starts to straighten out. Also, you can see her kind of flinch when she tries that suit of armor.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 12, 2011, 09:34:02 PM
Also, it was that suit that opened the shrine door. That makes it even more suspicious.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 12, 2011, 10:06:12 PM
I know it usually did take a little bit for the guard to come out of the Shrine, but this time, it even seemed unusually long.

And the thing is, the middle suit was straight to begin with, but as she was approaching it, it turned a considerable amount, but then turned back while she was pulling the arms down.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 12, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
I think that was the longest time it took for a guard to come out of the Shrine door. I might be wrong though.

A little off topic, but when it comes to The Room of the Ancient Warriors, can players pull down on the suit arms without fitting into the suit (pulling the arms down from the outside) or would that lead to a disqualification? Second of all, is it even possible to pull those handles down from the outside? This thought occurred to me yesterday.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on June 12, 2011, 10:22:24 PM
I'm thinking it is possible, but they would get disqualified.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 12, 2011, 10:25:06 PM
I'm thinking it is possible, but they would get disqualified.

Yeah, I'm thinking so too. That would defeat the purpose of a guard being there and it would eliminate the cheapness of this room. You need that cheapness to keep this room interesting.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 13, 2011, 12:07:03 PM
I am trying to go back to do some of the season one episodes, and its just so hard to figure out where some of the guards are in these runs. My biggest problem is these half-pendant runs as they are no where in sight. I will keep a look out and post any hints of temple guards being around if I see one.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on June 30, 2011, 09:37:19 PM
I just noticed a mistake in TRJ's thoughts on The Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain. The 2nd guard was found in the Room of the Ancient Warriors, not the Shrine.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 01, 2011, 12:44:03 PM
I just noticed a mistake in TRJ's thoughts on The Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain. The 2nd guard was found in the Room of the Ancient Warriors, not the Shrine.

You're right, they did encounter the guard in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. Now that this thread is bumped, maybe I should go back and take a look at some of these runs.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 10, 2011, 11:10:22 PM
For "The Very Tall Turban of Ahmed Baba", I agree that one of the guards had to be in the Crypt, but I truly believe the other unencountered guard was in the Dark Forest. I don't think the producers of the show would be mean and put the guard in Medusa's Lair, a room that opened once the King's Storeroom objective was done. However, if for some reason Shane wanted to enter Medusa's Lair from the Rock Quarry (something no one ever done) and it opened, then it might've been in there. But since that room opened once Shane completed the King's Storeroom, I don't think it would've opened from the Rock Quarry. Therefore, a guard in the Dark Forest is the best possibility. Of course, this will most likely be forever unknown and the one thing that makes it unknown is that the other half-pendant was on the Throne Room actuator in the RQ. That would make a triple guard encounter possible if they chose the Crypt first. In fact, now that I think about it, there could've been a guard in the Dark Forest AND Medusa's Lair instead of the Crypt. Wow, this is tough to decide on. :?

I'll still say the two unencountered guards were in the Crypt and Dark Forest.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on July 10, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
I personally think it was in Medusa's Lair. Remember the Man in the Iron Mask temple run where Danielle encountered a dead end by going up to that room? Furthermore, she ran into a temple guard in the Swamp too. Since that artifact was also in the Observatory, it's my best guess that the temple guard placement was the same as the Tall Turban temple run. With the other guard probably being in the Crypt there too. If Danielle hadn't gone into Medusa's Lair, it could have been a solo victory just like what Shane accomplished. It's not really uncommon have temple runs to have a similar layout and/or temple guard placement. So I'm pretty sure one of the other temple guards was in Medusa's Lair, not the Dark Forest.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 10, 2011, 11:26:30 PM
For "The Very Tall Turban of Ahmed Baba", I agree that one of the guards had to be in the Crypt, but I truly believe the other unencountered guard was in the Dark Forest. I don't think the producers of the show would be mean and put the guard in Medusa's Lair, a room that opened once the King's Storeroom objective was done. However, if for some reason Shane wanted to enter Medusa's Lair from the Rock Quarry (something no one ever done) and it opened, then it might've been in there. But since that room opened once Shane completed the King's Storeroom, I don't think it would've opened from the Rock Quarry. Therefore, a guard in the Dark Forest is the best possibility. Of course, this will most likely be forever unknown and the one thing that makes it unknown is that the other half-pendant was on the Throne Room actuator in the RQ. That would make a triple guard encounter possible if they chose the Crypt first. In fact, now that I think about it, there could've been a guard in the Dark Forest AND Medusa's Lair instead of the Crypt. Wow, this is tough to decide on. :?

I'll still say the two unencountered guards were in the Crypt and Dark Forest.

Its possible that the temple guard was in the Dark Forest. Shane does blaze through the Dark Forest and does not take a moment to slow down at all, so we don't know if there was Temple Spirit in a tree. But I think Medusa's Lair is a high possibility also. It would be similar to "the Mask of the Man in the Iron Mask" where the producers would bank on the team to go up and create a double whammy with a deadend and temple guard. I think one definitely had to be in the Crypt though because of the half-pendant location. It would also be a direct path guard trap in a sense too.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 10, 2011, 11:30:06 PM
In the Turban run, did the Lair-Laser door open? Shane tried going up there, but he stopped and went to the Swamp instead. I should re-check.

Yes, I did say Throne Room earlier when it was the Laser Light Room. My bad.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 10, 2011, 11:54:25 PM
Guys, I want to thank you for  bumping this topic.  Now I'm finally getting back to it.   :D
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 11, 2011, 12:01:50 AM
In the Turban run, did the Lair-Laser door open? Shane tried going up there, but he stopped and went to the Swamp instead. I should re-check.

Yes, I did say Throne Room earlier when it was the Laser Light Room. My bad.

You know, you got a point about the Medusa's Lair door. I just rewatched the Mask of the Man in the Iron Mask again and you can clearly tell the Medusa's Lair door opened. It was hard to tell if it opened in the Ahmed Baba run though because of the lighting in the room. I am going to rewatch the Jeweled-Necklace of Montezuma again, which also featured a double whammy deadend in Medusa's Lair.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 11, 2011, 12:12:27 AM
I think I found something!

I just went  back and watched John Henry's Lost Hammer.  It's hard to tell, but it definitely looks to me like we can see the temple guard in the Cave of Sighs during the credits roll.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 11, 2011, 12:19:39 AM



Like I said, it's hard to tell.  This is the best one I can give you.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Asian Legends Fan on July 11, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
I really don't think it is.




That doesn't look much like a guard to me.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 11, 2011, 12:48:50 AM
I think that actually is a guard.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 11, 2011, 12:50:44 AM
Where are you getting higher quality screencaps?

And actually, that looks more like it to me.  Plus, if there wasn't a guard, there shouldn't be anything back there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 11, 2011, 01:35:06 AM
Another awesome find!

The Dragon Lady and the Blue Pearl.  The last temple guard was definitely in the Cave of Sighs.  This happens after they showcase the grand prize and the camera goes back to the temple.




I don't even care about the bad quality this time.  That's pretty freakin' obvious.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Asian Legends Fan on July 11, 2011, 01:50:19 AM
I think that actually is a guard.
Yeah, a really obese guard with some sort of glow-in-the-dark trapezoid shape on his body, maybe. Whatever...
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 11, 2011, 10:26:08 AM
I think that actually is a guard.
Yeah, a really obese guard with some sort of glow-in-the-dark trapezoid shape on his body, maybe. Whatever...

Thank you for ignoring THK's post directly below mine. Whatever... >_>
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 12, 2011, 03:08:35 AM
Here's a sum-up of Season 1.  I went back through all of them once more, and now I'll quickly go through the episodes and review our thoughts.  For the sake of shortness, I'm going to ignore the ones where all 3 guards were encountered.

If the title is bolded, that means it's taken care of.


BLACKBEARD'S TREASURE MAP:
Encountered Guards: Cave of Sighs
Possibilities: Room of Harmonic Convergence, Swamp, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Less likely possibilities: Shrine, Pirate's Cove

THE GOLDEN CUP OF BELSHAZZAR:
Encountered Guards: Cave of Sighs, Treasure Room
Possibilities: Swamp, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Less likely possibilities: Dungeon, Pirate's Cove

GALILEO'S CANNONBALL:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Possibilities: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Observatory

JOHN HENRY'S LOST HAMMER:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Heart Room
Located Guards: Cave of Sighs

GOLDEN CRICKET CAGE OF KHAN:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Heart Room
Possibilities: Basically any room they didn't enter

THE STAR OF SULTAN SALADIN:
Encountered Guards: Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Located Guards: Cave of Sighs
Possibilities: Pirate's Cove, Heart Room

THE KEYS TO THE ALHAMBRA:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Possibilities: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Shrine of the Silver Monkey, Pirate's Cove
Less likely possibilities: Treasure Room, Observatory

THE HELMET OF GENGHIS KHAN:
Encountered Guards: Cave of Sighs, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Possibilities: Throne Room, Heart Room

THE TROJAN HORSESHOE:
Encountered Guards: Heart Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Located Guards: Spider's Lair

THE MOCCASINS OF GERONIMO:
Encountered Guards: Observatory
Possibilities: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Heart Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Less likely possibilities: Throne Room

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART:
Encountered Guards: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Swamp
Possibilities: Heart Room (The only other one it could be is the Cave of Sighs.  Everyone has pretty much eliminated this in their minds, but we don't really get a good enough camera angle in the Cave of Sighs to prove that there wasn't)

PONCE DE' LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH:
Encountered Guards: Observatory, Room of Harmonic Convergence
Located Guards: Cave of Sighs (only other possibiltiy)

THE TREASURE MAP OF JEAN LAFITTE:
Encountered Guards: Room of Harmonic Convergence, Heart Room
Possibilities: Dungeon, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Less likely possibilities: Pirate's Cove

THE ORACLE BOWL OF DELPHI:
Encountered Guards: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Swamp
Possibilities: Shrine of the Silver Monkey, Treasure Room
Less likely possibilities: Heart Room

THE PAINTBRUSH OF LEONARDO DA VINCI:
Encountered Guards: Swamp, Observatory
Possibilities: Treasure Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Less likely possibilities: Pirate's Cove, Dungeon

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA:
Encountered Guards: Cave of Sighs, Treasure Room
Possibilities: Well, Room of the Three Torches

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA:
Encountered Guards: Treasure Room
Possibilities: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Well
Less likely possibilties: Heart Room

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA:
Encountered Guards: Cave of Sighs, Observatory
Possibilities: Well, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Less likely possibilities: Room of the Three Torches

THE STONE MARKER OF LIEF ERIKSON:
Encountered Guards: Bamboo Forest, Observatory
Possibilities: Treasure Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Less likely possibilities: Well, Room of the Three Torches

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC:
Encountered Guards: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Room of Harmonic Convergence
Possibilities: Treasure Room
Less likely possibilities: Observatory

THE MASK OF SHAKA ZULU:
Encountered Guards: Cave of Sighs
Possibilities: Basically any room Bobby didn't enter

THE GOLDEN JAGUAR OF ATAHUALPA:
Encountered Guards: Heart Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Possibilities: Room of the Three Gargoyles
Less likely possibilities: Observatory, Room of the Three Torches

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL:
Encountered Guards: Treasure Room, Holes of Python
Possibilities: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Tomb of the Ancient Kings, Well
Less likely possibilities: Room of the Three Torches

ALEXANDER AND THE GORDIAN KNOT:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Possibilities: Treasure Room
Less likely possibilities: Heart Room

KING TUT'S COBRA STAFF:
Encountered Guards: Heart Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Located Guards: Cave of Sighs

THE DRAGON LADY AND THE BLUE PEARL:
Encountered Guards: Treasure Room, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
Located Guards: Cave of Sighs

THE CODEBOOK OF MATA HARI:
Encountered Guards: Holes of Python, Treasure Room
Possibilities: Room of the Royal Gongs, Room of the Three Torches
Less likely possibilities: Observatory

PECOS BILL'S LOST LARIAT:
Encountered Guards: Heart Room, Treasure Room
Located Guards: Throne Room (We can clearly see it wasn't in the Cave of Sighs or the Holes of Python, and the Tomb of the Ancient Kings was locked)

ROBIN HOOD AND MARIAN'S LADDER:
First of all:  :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Heart Room
Located Guards: Observatory (only other possibility)

THE COLLAR OF DAVY CROCKETT:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Observatory
Located Guards: Room of the Royal Gongs (only other possibility)

THE SNAKE BRACELET OF CLEOPATRA:
Encountered Guards: Room of the Fallen Columns, Treasury of Golden Orbs
Located Guards: Cave of Sighs
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on July 13, 2011, 12:57:24 AM
Seriously, that IS a guard in the Cave of Sighs in John Henry's Lost Hammer. What else could it be?!?!?!?!?!?! There's no way that could be a statue or an idol because if a guard is not there, then nothing is! I just think that guard was sitting in an awkward fashion to make it look like he was plump.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 14, 2011, 10:43:46 PM
Okay, somebody go watch the temple description for Blackbeard's Treasure Map and tell me that stuff in the Swamp is not blatantly piled to one side.  Seriously, could it be any more obvious?

To get an idea of what it should look like, I checked out The Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart (definitely did have a guard there) and The Moccasins of Geronimo (definitely didn't have a guard there).

In the Moccasins of Geronimo, we can see the right side is slightly higher than the other one, but the material was leveled out since there wasn't a guard.  In the Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart, it looks about the same, but it's much less level.

But seriously, in Blackbeard's Treasure Map, it's so uneven and clearly to one side that there's no doubt they were hiding one there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 14, 2011, 11:14:56 PM
And actually, same thing with The Golden Cup of Belshazzar.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 15, 2011, 02:07:11 AM
I don't see how that is not a temple guard in John Henry's Lost Hammer. Unless its a crew person that was hiding back there for some unknown reason, it must be a temple guard. It was like almost every run had a temple guard hiding in that room space in season one anyways.

Good observation on the Swamp guards. I have to go back and rewatch some of these runs to catch a glimpse of all the temple guards in there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on July 23, 2011, 08:07:06 PM
I'm really doubting the other guard could possibly have been in the Holes of Python for "Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat".  If there was, Chris basically would have stepped on the guard's face when he was returning with the Lariat (which he failed to do).

And it would make sense if the guard was in the Throne Room.  We know the guard wasn't in the Cave of Sighs, but if they had entered through the Cave of Sighs it's possible that they could have gone across to the Throne Room before being forced upwards.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 03, 2011, 04:33:13 AM
Well, time for a sum-up of Season 2:

THE SILVER HORSESHOE OF BUTCH CASSIDY:
Encountered Guards: Dark Forest
Possibilities: Crypt, Observatory, King's Storeroom
Less likely possibilities: Shrine of the Silver Monkey

THE DIARY OF DOCTOR LIVINGSTONE:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room, Dark Forest
Possibilities: Ledges
Less likely possibilities: Medusa's Lair (It's very hard to see whether or not the door upward from the Throne Room opened, so it could still be in there, but considering they had 2 pendants, we can basically rule out the Observatory being way too far out of the way of the correct path)

THE BONE NECKLACE OF THE BLACKFEET CHIEF:
Encountered Guards: Swamp, Dark Forest
Possibilities: Crypt, Mine Shaft, Medusa's Lair (Like I said, it's hard to tell if the door upward from the Throne Room opens, but I'm 99% sure that I saw the light coming in from above this time)
Less likely possibilities: Viper's Nest (again and for the same reason, we can pretty much eliminate the Observatory as a possibility)

THE MUSH POT HAT OF JOHNNY APPLESEED:
Encountered Guards: Crypt, King's Storeroom
Possibilities: Medusa's Lair, Dark Forest
Less likely possibilities: Throne Room

THE IMPERIAL PURPLE ROBE OF EMPRESS THEODORA:
Encountered Guards: Dark Forest, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
Possibilities: Ledges, Medusa's Lair
Less likely possibilities: Observatory

THE LUCKY MEDALLION OF ATOCHA:
Encountered Guards: Ledges
Possibilities: Throne Room, Swamp
Less likely possibilities: Dark Forest, Crypt (I don't know.  There's something about this episode that makes me think it's possible they would put guards in both entrance rooms.)

THE APPLEWOOD AMULET OF EMILIANO ZAPATA:
Encountered Guards: Medusa's Lair, King's Storeroom
Possibilities: Crypt (Looking back, I'm very sure that literally no other doors along their path opened, so their only choice was Crypt or Ledges.  Although I'm not gonna say it's the definite answer until a few people can confirm this.)

THE ELECTRIFIED KEY OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN:
Encountered Guards: Medusa's Lair, King's Storeroom
Located Guards: Crypt (only unlocked room)

THE LUCKY PILLOW OF ANNIE TAYLOR:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room
Possibilities: Crypt, Mine Shaft, Viper's Nest
Less likely possibilities: Obsevatory (I just don't think they'd be that cruel)

THE ENORMOUS IRON NOSE RING OF BABE:
Encountered Guards: None
Located Guards: Dark Forest (we can see the arms move)
Possibilities: Crypt, Observatory, Medusa's Lair
Less likely possibilities: Lightning Ball Room

THE VERY TALL TURBAN OF AHMED BABA:
Encountered Guards: Swamp
Possibilities: Crypt, Dark Forest, Medusa's Lair

THE PLUMED HEADDRESS OF COSARARA:
Encountered Guards: Laser Light Room, King's Storeroom
Possibilities: Crypt, Dark Forest, Lightning Ball Room

THE SHRIVELED HAND OF EFOUA:
Encountered Guards: Observatory, Medusa's Lair
Possibilities: Ledges, Dark Forest

THE MASK OF THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK:
Encountered Guards: Medusa's Lair, Swamp
Possibilities: Crypt, Dark Forest, Lightning Ball Room

THE GOLDEN GOBLET OF ATTILA THE HUN:
Encountered Guards: Medusa's Lair
Located Guards: Ledges (Of the three rooms left, one simply had to be here)
Possibilities: Room of the Secret Password, Dark Forest

THE LEOPARD-SKIN CLOAK OF ANNIE OAKLEY:
Encountered Guards: Laser Light Room, King's Storeroom
Possibilities: Ledges
Less likely possibilities: Observatory

THE SNAKESKIN BOOTS OF BILLY THE KID:
Encountered Guards: Crypt, Laser Light Room
Located Guards: Room of the Secret Password (Looking back, I can confirm no other doors opened and we have a good amount of proof that it wasn't in the Ledges)

THE GOLDEN EARRING OF HENRY MORGAN:
Encountered Guards: Laser Light Room, Mine Shaft
Possibilities: Ledges, Room of the Secret Password

THE MILK BUCKET OF FREYDIS:
Encountered Guards: Laser Light Room
Possibilities: Crypt, Mine Shaft, Room of the Mandarin Hand (The Room of the Mandarin Hand very much did open from the Laser Light Room, and we all know how the producers loved making the center room a trap room)

THE LEVITATING DOG LEASH OF NOSTRADAMUS:
Encountered Guards: Laser Light Room, Room of the Mandarin Hand
Possibilities: Ledges
Less likely possibilities: Observatory (They could only have entered this room by backtracking, so I really doubt it.)

THE BROKEN WING OF ICARUS: (To be honest, the layout for this one confuses me to no end)
Encountered Guards: Room of the Mandarin Hand
Possibilities: Ledges, Mine Shaft, Room of the Secret Password
Less likely possibilities: Laser Light Room)

THE BONNET OF DOLLEY MADISON:
Encountered Guards: Ledges, King's Storeroom
Possibilities: Room of the Mandarin Hand, The Room of the Secret Password
Less likely possibilities: Laser Light Room
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on August 04, 2011, 02:20:22 AM
THE LUCKY PILLOW OF ANNIE TAYLOR:
Encountered Guards: Throne Room
Possibilities: Crypt, Mine Shaft, Viper's Nest
Less likely possibilities: Medusa's Lair (I just don't think they'd be that cruel)
Um... HELLO!!! 

The Lucky Pillow was in Medusa's Lair THK!!! (thereby eliminating it as a potential Guard location)

Duh! :P
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on August 04, 2011, 10:16:14 AM
He obviously meant the Observatory. I think it's safe to say that the Kirk Level ranking curse has finally found its way to THK. :(

Speaking of Annie Taylor, I'm pretty sure there was a guard in the Crypt. As for the third guard, I think this was one of those rare instances where a guard was hiding in the Mine Shaft. I mean, if you rewatch The Milk Bucket of Freydis, Tarrah accidentally went into the Password Room from the Shrine. There was no guard in that room. In Missy's run, the Viper's Nest door opened from the Shrine. Based on this, I don't think there was a guard in the Viper's Nest during Missy's run. I agree that the producers wouldn't put a guard in the Observatory. Based on all of this, the other two guards had to be in the Crypt and the Mine Shaft.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 04, 2011, 11:38:22 AM
He obviously meant the Observatory. I think it's safe to say that the Kirk Level ranking curse has finally found its way to THK. :(

This.

And I am definitely leaning towards the last two guards being in the Crypt and Mine Shaft, for basically the same reasons as PP319.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 04, 2011, 12:39:01 PM
So, about The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata:

From the Pit, the Throne Room was locked, but Medusa's Lair opened.  We don't know if the Observatory was unlocked, but in Medusa's Lair, the lack of light coming in from above shows that the Observatory-Medusa's Lair door did not open.  Just this is enough to show that in any case, the Observatory was either a dead-end (Keep in mind dead-ends in the Observatory almost never had guards) or a means to bypass the Medusa's Lair guard, not to mention that I doubt either of the other doors was unlocked.

Also, in the Shrine, only the Viper's Nest door opens, so the only other possible path left is a Moccasins of Geronimo style path through the bottom, but there are so many reasons why I doubt that here.

In my eyes, the Crypt is not just the best option, it is the only option.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on August 04, 2011, 01:01:24 PM
I think you're right about the Crypt having a guard in The Applewood Amulet. The thing that stumps me about this run though is the temple layout. Ledges, Pit, Medusa's Lair, and all rooms to the left of it to get te Amulet. It's a simple layout, but something tells me a room on the bottom level had to be accessable. Did the Throne Room open from Medusa's Lair? Did the Swamp open from the King's Storeroom? I don't know, but if nothing on the bottom could be accessed, then it's obvious the third guard was in the Crypt. This run still has me stumped though because of the layout, but I still think you're right about the Crypt.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 04, 2011, 04:42:58 PM
I think you're right about the Crypt having a guard in The Applewood Amulet. The thing that stumps me about this run though is the temple layout. Ledges, Pit, Medusa's Lair, and all rooms to the left of it to get te Amulet. It's a simple layout, but something tells me a room on the bottom level had to be accessable. Did the Throne Room open from Medusa's Lair? Did the Swamp open from the King's Storeroom? I don't know, but if nothing on the bottom could be accessed, then it's obvious the third guard was in the Crypt. This run still has me stumped though because of the layout, but I still think you're right about the Crypt.

It has to be the Crypt for this run. I don't think the producers ever placed the half-pendant before the location of the first temple guard. The team usually encounters at least one temple guard before coming across the half-pendant.  :mrgreen:

I don't think the layout design should seem that unusual either. It wasn't the first time they gave a team an easy layout to deal with. There are plenty of wins and losses with easy to moderate layouts throughout the show history. And I think both players got caught with a somewhat difficult layout because they had to complete some of the toughest rooms that season two had to offer at the time.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on August 10, 2011, 11:34:01 PM
THE METAL BEARD OF THE EGYPTAIN QUEEN:
-Encountered guards: Tomb of the Headless Kings, Dark Forest
-Unencountered guards:  This is the episode I was talking about earlier where we can actually see the other guard in the Ledges

Was he on the top ledge? I just watched this run again and it's really hard to tell, but it looks like that guard is on the far top ledge. I just want some clarification on this one.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 10, 2011, 11:50:40 PM
THE METAL BEARD OF THE EGYPTAIN QUEEN:
-Encountered guards: Tomb of the Headless Kings, Dark Forest
-Unencountered guards:  This is the episode I was talking about earlier where we can actually see the other guard in the Ledges

Was he on the top ledge? I just watched this run again and it's really hard to tell, but it looks like that guard is on the far top ledge. I just want some clarification on this one.
You know, I might be wrong about being able to see the guard, but it doesn't really matter since that was the only other room they had access to, IIRC.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on August 10, 2011, 11:56:08 PM
Yeah, Randy was lucky a guard wasn't in the Password Room because she could've tried the Bog-Shrine passage. Since she didn't do that, the Ledges are the only option.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 11, 2011, 01:47:37 AM
So I am watching "The Helmet of Genghis Khan" again for that last temple guard. I believe that it either has to be in the Throne Room or Heart Room for this run. I would guess the Throne Room though because most of the players prefer to use the bottom door rather than climb the wall.

The temple guard definitely can't be in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or Dungeon because neither door opens when them monkey is completed.

And I looked closely at the Spider's Lair, and I don't see a headdress at all or appearance under the foam.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 11, 2011, 11:50:03 AM
Yeah, I only kept the Dungeon as a possibility since I wasn't quite sure whether or not the door did open from the Shrine.  Plus it  being in the Throne Room or Heart Room makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 11, 2011, 02:30:34 PM
So I was rewatching Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat, and the last temple guard has to be in the Throne Room. The Tomb of the Ancient Kings did not open when Chris completed the monkey. And I didn't see a temple guard headdress as he was exiting the temple through the holes.

I also like how we are 4/4 for S1L9.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 11, 2011, 02:46:22 PM
Yeah, with both of those episodes, that's exactly what I was thinking.  I was mostly just waiting to see if other people could confirm it.  I went ahead and changed the summary of Season 1 accordingly.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on August 11, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
And also, with The Helmet of Genghis Khan, in the Pirate's Cove, the block was down, so they couldn't have even gone up from the Dungeon, so it definitely had to be either the Throne Room or Heart Room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 19, 2011, 06:03:46 PM
I am watching "The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata" right now and the last guard definitely has to be in the Crypt. The team literally had no deviating paths during this run. When Robert completes Medusa's Lair puzzle, you can tell the Observatory did not open. Furthermore, when Olivia-Emma completed the monkey, neither the Dark Forest or Mine Shaft opened up. And finally, the half-pendant was in the Pit of Despair, which means there must've been one temple guard before the half-pendant location.

The last temple guard in "The Bone Necklace of the Blackfeet Chief" is pretty tricky to spot also. Its unclear whether Medusa's Lair door opened or not from the Throne Room. Furthermore, we aren't sure if the guard could be in the Mine Shaft/Viper's Nest.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on September 02, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
I'm starting to get back into looking at Season 3 runs and I have a few thoughts so far.

The War Fan of the 47 Ronin - We're nowhere near a consensus with this one, but I can put down one of the prospects.  It's been suggested that perhaps the third guard was in the Dark Forest.  I don't think so.

From the Shrine, both the doors to the Dark Forest and the Room of the Secret Password opened.  They chose the Password and got caught by a guard.  I'm 100% sure that the Dark Forest was an alternate path in order to dodge this guard.  The idea basically comes from The Lion-Headed Bracelet of Chandragupta which has the same scenario, except the guard was in the Dark Forest that time.


The Lion-Slashed Jacket of Sacagawea - This is an instance where I'm happy to admit I was wrong.  At first, I eliminated the Quicksand Bog as a possibility, but looking back, the last Temple Guard HAD to be there.  Here's pictures to prove it.

This is from the Temple Rundown in Sacagawea (It was one of the few Season 3 episodes that had a unique one)




At first, it didn't look blatant enough for there to have been a guard.  But when we compare that to just about any other run where there wasn't a guard (Take this one from The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen):




the difference becomes clear and therefore, there was in fact a temple guard there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 02, 2011, 08:20:43 PM
I don't know, I think the boxes had to have been stacked even higher for there to be a guard in the boxes. And both pics look very identical to me.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on September 02, 2011, 08:29:19 PM
I don't know, I think the boxes had to have been stacked even higher for there to be a guard in the boxes.

I totally understand where you're coming from because that's why I originally said 'no'.  The thing is, I looked at lots of other runs.  Every one that didn't have a guard had the blocks at just about the same height as the Secret Map picture.  I also looked at the runs where there was a guard there, and some of them had the blocks at close to the same stacked height as the Sacagawea picture.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 02, 2011, 09:04:09 PM
Hmmm, looking at the pics again, there's one box in the Sacagawea pic that's sticking out unlike the Bandit Queen pic. If there was a temple guard in the Sacagawea run, then that temple guard better be careful he doesn't smack his head from underneath the slide. :lol:
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 03, 2011, 01:10:01 AM
You know, its possible the guard could be in the Quicksand Bog for Sacagawea. Mike never completed the monkey, so we don't know if the Room of the Secret Password would've opened from the Shrine. It could've been like the Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb where the last guard was in the Quicksand Bog and that the temple run would've ended there for the team.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 03, 2011, 01:23:48 AM
You know, its possible the guard could be in the Quicksand Bog for Sacagawea. Mike never completed the monkey, so we don't know if the Room of the Secret Password would've opened from the Shrine. It could've been like the Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb where the last guard was in the Quicksand Bog and that the temple run would've ended there for the team.
Only thing though, the Green Monkeys from Sacajawea actually found the half pendant. Unlike the Green Monkeys from the Taj Mahal Turban episode. But it still would have been a close call to get to the jacket. Especially at the rate they were going.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on September 17, 2011, 04:12:16 PM
I don't think I see any THK comments anywhere concerning The Broken Wing of Icarus. I want to talk about this run.

This Green Monkeys team only won one pendant. Jason only encountered one guard, and it was in the Room of the Mandarin Hand. The only rooms Jason never entered before grabbing the wing were the Ledges, Laser Light Room, Mine Shaft, and Room of the Secret Password. Of these four rooms, I think the other two guards were in the Ledges and Laser Light Room to make for a quick capture, Elizabeth I's Golden Ship style. I highly doubt a guard was in the Room of the Secret Password. The Mine Shaft seems possible though. If there was a guard there, then that would replace the possibility of a guard being in the Laser Light Room. However, I'll stick with the other two guards being in the Ledges and Laser Light Room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 09, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
I'm bumping this topic again to ask about one of the runs. I asked about it on page 4, but it was ignored. In "The War Fan of the Forty-Seven Ronin", it's possible that the final guard was in the Dark Forest. I mean, the Forest-Shrine passage opened from the Shrine, so it's possible. If this is correct, then I believe the guard was in the camera left tree to prevent the player from successfully getting into the Bog. Unlike the "Chandragupta" run, this run would be a double whammy situation after completing the Shrine, the guards would be unavoidable. Again, I don't think the producers would be mean and put a guard in both entrance rooms. The only run where that's possible is "The Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza". Thoughts?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 09, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
I'm bumping this topic again to ask about one of the runs. I asked about it on page 4, but it was ignored. In "The War Fan of the Forty-Seven Ronin", it's possible that the final guard was in the Dark Forest. I mean, the Forest-Shrine passage opened from the Shrine, so it's possible. If this is correct, then I believe the guard was in the camera left tree to prevent the player from successfully getting into the Bog. Unlike the "Chandragupta" run, this run would be a double whammy situation after completing the Shrine, the guards would be unavoidable. Again, I don't think the producers would be mean and put a guard in both entrance rooms. The only run where that's possible is "The Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza". Thoughts?

Did the producers do that at all in season three with the Dark Forest trees? Because the only time I believe the temple spirit blocked the breakable wall was in "The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy", and that was all the way back in early season two.

Not to say that the last temple guard isn't in the Dark Forest. The temple guard layout is so weird that it seems the only other possibility is the Ledges for a temple guard. Or maybe in one of the unused armors in the Room of the Ancient Warriors.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on October 09, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
Did the producers do that at all in season three with the Dark Forest trees? Because the only time I believe the temple spirit blocked the breakable wall was in "The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy", and that was all the way back in early season two.

That happened in The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, and it was supposed to happen in The Enormous Iron Nose Ring of Babe, but we all know how that worked out.  :lol:

Also, I'm not so sure anymore that they wouldn't put guards in both entrance rooms more often than we thought.  I mean, just because we never saw it happen doesn't mean it never happened.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 09, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
Did the producers do that at all in season three with the Dark Forest trees? Because the only time I believe the temple spirit blocked the breakable wall was in "The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy", and that was all the way back in early season two.

That happened in The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, and it was supposed to happen in The Enormous Iron Nose Ring of Babe, but we all know how that worked out.  :lol:

Also, I'm not so sure anymore that they wouldn't put guards in both entrance rooms more often than we thought.  I mean, just because we never saw it happen doesn't mean it never happened.

That's true, because season three had the most gimmicky and unique layouts compared to the earlier two seasons. And its hard to tell if there is a temple guard in the Ledges most often.

Anyways, while we are on the topic again about temple guards placement, where does everyone think the last temple guard was in "The Shriveled Hand of Efoua"? I don't think it would be the Dark Forest, because it would just make the final temple guard encounter pointless.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on October 09, 2011, 01:35:55 PM
Did the producers do that at all in season three with the Dark Forest trees? Because the only time I believe the temple spirit blocked the breakable wall was in "The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy", and that was all the way back in early season two.

That happened in The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, and it was supposed to happen in The Enormous Iron Nose Ring of Babe, but we all know how that worked out.  :lol:

Also, I'm not so sure anymore that they wouldn't put guards in both entrance rooms more often than we thought.  I mean, just because we never saw it happen doesn't mean it never happened.

That's true, because season three had the most gimmicky and unique layouts compared to the earlier two seasons. And its hard to tell if there is a temple guard in the Ledges most often.

Anyways, while we are on the topic again about temple guards placement, where does everyone think the last temple guard was in "The Shriveled Hand of Efoua"? I don't think it would be the Dark Forest, because it would just make the final temple guard encounter pointless.
Well, now that I think about it, that first guard in the Observatory might not have been forced.  What if they started in the Ledges, went across to the Laser Light Room, and then went up to Medusa's Lair and across to the King's Storeroom?  They completely bypass the Observatory guard, and suddenly a guard in the Dark Forest becomes a huge factor in the run.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 09, 2011, 02:27:51 PM
Did the producers do that at all in season three with the Dark Forest trees? Because the only time I believe the temple spirit blocked the breakable wall was in "The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy", and that was all the way back in early season two.

That happened in The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen, and it was supposed to happen in The Enormous Iron Nose Ring of Babe, but we all know how that worked out.  :lol:

Also, I'm not so sure anymore that they wouldn't put guards in both entrance rooms more often than we thought.  I mean, just because we never saw it happen doesn't mean it never happened.

That's true, because season three had the most gimmicky and unique layouts compared to the earlier two seasons. And its hard to tell if there is a temple guard in the Ledges most often.

Anyways, while we are on the topic again about temple guards placement, where does everyone think the last temple guard was in "The Shriveled Hand of Efoua"? I don't think it would be the Dark Forest, because it would just make the final temple guard encounter pointless.
Well, now that I think about it, that first guard in the Observatory might not have been forced.  What if they started in the Ledges, went across to the Laser Light Room, and then went up to Medusa's Lair and across to the King's Storeroom?  They completely bypass the Observatory guard, and suddenly a guard in the Dark Forest becomes a huge factor in the run.

Very true, its possible that the Laser Light Room was an alternate route and the Observatory guard could've been avoidable. Its unclear whether the door leading to the Laser Light Room opened when the second runner completed the room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 09, 2011, 02:57:49 PM
I always thought the temple guard placement in The Shriveled Hand of Efoua was in the Ledges. Probably for a direct path trick in case the teams wanted to attempt going the easy way. The producers have done something like that before. So it isn't uncommon for the other guard to be in the Ledges.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 09, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
I always thought the temple guard placement in The Shriveled Hand of Efoua was in the Ledges. Probably for a direct path trick in case the teams wanted to attempt going the easy way. The producers have done something like that before. So it isn't uncommon for the other guard to be in the Ledges.

Yeah, they loved to hide temple guards there in season two a lot also. So its possible that the Ledges was just a dead-end with a temple guard. That seems like the most likely case.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on October 16, 2011, 02:15:42 PM
I always thought the temple guard placement in The Shriveled Hand of Efoua was in the Ledges. Probably for a direct path trick in case the teams wanted to attempt going the easy way. The producers have done something like that before. So it isn't uncommon for the other guard to be in the Ledges.

Yeah, they loved to hide temple guards there in season two a lot also. So its possible that the Ledges was just a dead-end with a temple guard. That seems like the most likely case.

It's so agreed on that one, RJF; but Season 2 wasn't the only season where Temple Guards would reside mainly in the Ledges. I noticed (based upon the previous posts I read and compiled for the theory) that Season 3 runs would have temple guards in the Ledges just a tad more compared to Season 2— one of the most prominent pieces of evidence about was the super-dimmed lighting in there to help mask the Temple Guard on camera.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 17, 2011, 06:05:10 PM
I always thought the temple guard placement in The Shriveled Hand of Efoua was in the Ledges. Probably for a direct path trick in case the teams wanted to attempt going the easy way. The producers have done something like that before. So it isn't uncommon for the other guard to be in the Ledges.

Yeah, they loved to hide temple guards there in season two a lot also. So its possible that the Ledges was just a dead-end with a temple guard. That seems like the most likely case.

It's so agreed on that one, RJF; but Season 2 wasn't the only season where Temple Guards would reside mainly in the Ledges. I noticed (based upon the previous posts I read and compiled for the theory) that Season 3 runs would have temple guards in the Ledges just a tad more compared to Season 2— one of the most prominent pieces of evidence about was the super-dimmed lighting in there to help mask the Temple Guard on camera.

You think season 3 used temple guards in the Legends in season two?  :shock:

The only Ledges temple guard encounter was in season 3 was in "The Dried-Apple Half of William Tell." But that doesn't mean that there weren't other temple guards hidden there. The Metal Beard of the Egyptian Queen and the Jewel-Scabbard of Sforza would've had a temple guard in it for sure.

But it seemed like the temple guards were always in the Crypt in season 3. That made sense since the contestants always used the Crypt in season 3, since it was more convenient to get into the Pit of the Pendulum.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 17, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
It's kind of like in Season 1, contestants loved using the Cave of Sighs. And that's where temple guards would appear the most. But in Seasons 2 and 3, most contestants liked using the Crypt. And lo and behold, temple guards appeared in there a lot too.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 17, 2011, 06:34:17 PM
It's kind of like in Season 1, contestants loved using the Cave of Sighs. And that's where temple guards would appear the most. But in Seasons 2 and 3, most contestants liked using the Crypt. And lo and behold, temple guards appeared in there a lot too.

Definitely in season one was the Cave of Sighs filled with temple guards. And there are a lot of runs where the contestants didn't run into the Cave and we still see the temple guards there.

Season two had half Ledges and half Crypt. In the earlier layouts, it seemed like the contestants preferred the Ledges. However, when the Pit with the rope in the middle came around, they almost always used the Crypt.

And season three was entirely the Crypt.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 22, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
Another question. For "The Enormous Feather of the Me Linh", have we ruled out the possibility of a guard being in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers? The team never entered that room and looking back on opinions, it looks like everyone has ruled this room out. I wonder if the producers made this room a dead-end just in case the team wanted to try the direct path.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on October 22, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
I wouldn't put it past them, honestly.  That center room served as a nasty double whammy of a dead end and a Temple Guard trap a number of times, almost always involving an artifact in the room above or next to it.

I'm really torn between that and the Room of the Secret Password for the Mê Linh run, although the latter just stands out more for me.  It just feels more likely to me personally, given the sudden presence of more Temple Guards in the corner rooms in Season 3.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 22, 2011, 09:49:02 PM
I agree about the Room of the Secret Password. I always thought the third temple guard in the "Enormous Feather" temple run was in that room. Probably to punish the team for trying to take the long way instead of taking shortcuts. Though the "lets put the temple guards in corner rooms" makes a lot of sense too.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on October 22, 2011, 09:53:29 PM
Not just that, but I don't really remember there being too many center room traps in Season 3 compared to earlier seasons.  Offhand, I can remember "The Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa," "The Jeweled Necklace of Montezuma" and "The Mask of the Man in the Iron Mask"... but nothing from Season 3.  Maybe they decided it wasn't working well enough at some point. :lol:

@RJF: I wouldn't be so quick to write off a third Temple Guard placed in the last room before the artifact as pointless.  The way I see it, it's more like a final line of defense or a last-ditch effort to stop the team from reaching the artifact.

Think back to "The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible" or "The Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb"— the three guards in both were unavoidable, but while the second was a big deciding factor for sure, the last guard in both ultimately prevented the players from reaching the Turban or the Seal.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 22, 2011, 09:57:20 PM
Not just that, but I don't really remember there being too many center room traps in Season 3 compared to earlier seasons.  Offhand, I can remember "The Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa," "The Jeweled Necklace of Montezuma" and "The Mask of the Man in the Iron Mask"... but nothing from Season 3.  Maybe they decided it wasn't working well enough at some point. :lol:
Well, in runs such as "The Secret Map of the Bandit Queen" and "The Ivory Hunting Horn of Roland," both the Chamber AND the Tomb doors opened. Obviously, both frontrunners went with the latter room. Who knows, maybe those runs could have served as dead ends too. We may not have seen it happen, but that doesn't mean the guards couldn't have been in there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on October 22, 2011, 10:09:21 PM
Well, I suppose that's true.  Maybe the players just got smarter, but the producers didn't necessarily abandon those same tactics. :lol:
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Headless King on October 22, 2011, 10:13:21 PM
I really don't think there were ANY dead-ends in Season 3 other than The Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack.  I think that run was the main impetus for them thinking "Okay, that was cheap.  Let's stop doing that."  :lol:

They still kept the long and unnecessary paths open, they just stopped putting in dead-ends and stopped opening doors that led backwards along the path.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on October 22, 2011, 10:31:26 PM
With Bifocal Monocle, it was as if they producers gave them a win. But the team just blew it. While we're on the subject of temple guards, I wonder where THAT third guard was. Probably in the Dark Forest, though of course the team didn't make it that far.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2011, 11:18:44 PM
With Bifocal Monocle, it was as if they producers gave them a win. But the team just blew it. While we're on the subject of temple guards, I wonder where THAT third guard was. Probably in the Dark Forest, though of course the team didn't make it that far.

I am assuming that it would be there or in the Quicksand Bog. We know that Thomas found the half-pendant in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, and the Jester's Court never had a temple guard in it. I believe it had to be either one of the remaining bottom floor rooms. Although miss I can't climb and mister I can't pay attention didn't make it far, so we will never know.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2011, 11:21:06 PM
Not just that, but I don't really remember there being too many center room traps in Season 3 compared to earlier seasons.  Offhand, I can remember "The Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa," "The Jeweled Necklace of Montezuma" and "The Mask of the Man in the Iron Mask"... but nothing from Season 3.  Maybe they decided it wasn't working well enough at some point. :lol:

@RJF: I wouldn't be so quick to write off a third Temple Guard placed in the last room before the artifact as pointless.  The way I see it, it's more like a final line of defense or a last-ditch effort to stop the team from reaching the artifact.

Think back to "The Discarded Seal of Ivan the Terrible" or "The Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb"— the three guards in both were unavoidable, but while the second was a big deciding factor for sure, the last guard in both ultimately prevented the players from reaching the Turban or the Seal.

I am pretty sure the Discarded Seal temple guard was unavoidable in the Room of the Ancient Warriors. But Elisa chose the one that contained a temple guard in it.

Other than that, I am not sure if there were many runs where the third guard was unavoidable. I guess the Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag and the Gordian Knot are the only ones that come to mind.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on October 22, 2011, 11:46:59 PM
Going back and watching a couple of these runs, here is a recap of two episodes I rewatched in particular:

THE IMPERIAL PURPLE ROBE OF EMPRESS THEODORA
-- The Dark Forest (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Crypt?

When the second runner completes the monkey, you can tell the door leading to the King's Storeroom is not open. It wouldn't make sense if the King's Storeroom was a deadend either, considering the room is not part of the direct path for this run. (unlike Nathan Hale and Ali Baba). Its unclear whether Medusa's Lair opened from the Throne Room, but I have a hunch the last guard was in the Crypt.

THE BENT SHAVING PAN OF JEDIDIAH SMITH
-- The Tomb of the Headless Kings (encountered)
-- The Room of the Ancient Warriors
-- The Ledges?

This one is kind of tricky as I have no idea where the half-pendant is. The Chamber door is closed from the Pit, so it couldn't be there. The only other choices are the corner rooms or the other entrance room. I would have to say the Ledges for this one because had the team chose that room, they wouldn't have encountered the whole one room away trap guard.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on October 23, 2011, 12:34:12 AM
re: Theodora: Can't be the Crypt, they entered the temple through there. You don't mean the Ledges?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on October 23, 2011, 06:44:02 AM
Another Fogg-Up.

@TAW: What were you referring to?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on October 28, 2011, 02:57:13 PM
In "The Mush Pot Hat of Johnny Appleseed", it's possible that the last guard could've been in the Dark Forest since it opened from the Shrine. However, I think the guard was in Medusa's Lair since it opened from the Observatory. Still can't rule out the Dark Forest though. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 01, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
In "The Mush Pot Hat of Johnny Appleseed", it's possible that the last guard could've been in the Dark Forest since it opened from the Shrine. However, I think the guard was in Medusa's Lair since it opened from the Observatory. Still can't rule out the Dark Forest though. Thoughts?

Well, it is possible that the last temple guard was in one of the trees. But the team never enters any of the bottom rooms of the temple other than the Mine Shaft. I am guessing that the temple guard would be in the Throne Room since season two loved placing them there.

Looking back at "The Silver Saddle Horn of Hannibal", I am guessing the last guard is either in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or the Well. If that was the case, the run probably would've ended in triple capture. Although I guess the Room of Three Gargoyles is possible too.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 07, 2011, 11:08:01 PM
I think it would be good to go back and go through each layout or production day and assemble a complete list. Here is what I got for S1L1:

Bold = Encountered guard

BLACKBEARD'S TREASURE MAP
-- Cave of Size (encountered)
-- ?
-- ?

Yeah, she failed big time in this run and as a result, we will never have any idea where those last two guards are. As a little note, the rock slab is up in the Pirate's Cove, which might indicate that the team would be forced into the Shrine. Who know though? She was too dumb.

THE GOLDEN CUP OF BELSHAZZAR
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)

-- ?

For the last temple guard, we have no idea where it could be hiding. I did not see the half-pendant during the run at all. However, I feel that the guard would be hiding in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or Dungeon. And once again, the rock slab is up in the Pirate Cove, making it an option for the contestants to enter.

GALILEO'S CANNONBALL
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)

-- The Room of the Three Gargoyles?

It seemed like none of the bottom floor rooms opened during this run because the Swamp door does not open from the Throne Room and the Tomb of the Ancient Kings does not open from the Shrine. The only other possible room would be the Observatory, but I would see that as a useless detour room.

WILD BILL HICKOK AND THE DEAND MAN'S HAND
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)


Total completion: 1/4 (25%)

Not bad for the first four episodes. We narrowed down the temple guards for Galileo's Cannonball and for Dead Man's Hand we already know where the temple guards are. The first two episodes are tricky due to lack of progress made in the temple.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on November 08, 2011, 08:21:53 AM
Whoa, whoa; for Blackbeard's Treasure Map and the Golden Cup of Belshazzar, wasn't the murky concoction adorning the floor all piled up onto the stage-right side of the Swamp?

Basically, I'm saying you can't narrow out that possibility like THK didn't (given that he compiled the most logical list of the unencountered guards).
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 08, 2011, 01:50:55 PM
Its true that the Swamp could be a place for a temple guard in both runs, but you are better off comparing these two runs to the other S1L5 runs.

In the Oracle Bowl of Delphi and the Paintbrush of Leonardo Da Vinci, you can clearly tell that there are temple guards in the Swamp as their headdresses are visible during the temple rundown.

At the same time, if you watch the temple rundowns for "Ponce De Leon and the Lost Fountain of Youth" and "The Treasure Map of Jean Lafitte", they have that same "murky concotion" as both Blackbeard's Treasure Map and the Golden Cup of Belshazzar. Yet, there was not a single temple guards in either of these runs in the Swamp.

I kind of agree that the last temple guard in Belshazzar could be in the Swamp. But at the same time, the producers would be banking on the Red Jaguars heavily during that run.

And who knows for Blackbeard's Treasure Map? had she not been so stupid, we might've been able to find out.

And for the record, I never said that the Swamp wasn't a possibility either. I merely left the the unencountered fields blank because neither team made any significant progress in the temple so there is a wide variety of rooms the temple guards could be in.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on November 19, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Alrighty then, I'll knock out Layout II:

Italics= located guards

JOHN HENRY'S LOST HAMMER
~ Heart Room (encountered)
~ Throne Room (encountered)
~ The Cave of Sighs (located during the credits)

THE GOLDEN CRICKET CAGE OF KHAN
~ Throne Room (encountered)
~ Heart Room (encountered)
~ ?

For the most part, they only progressed four rooms, which didn't leave us with that many choices.  :roll: However, I may have made a guesstimate that there was an alternate route in which the Observatory opened and went around the horn— namely saying, two out of three captures would've been forced and they could've avoided the Throne Room's guard; I'm just gonna narrow the possibilities down to the Room of the Golden Idols, Shrine of the Silver Monkey or the Tomb of the Ancient Kings.

ELIZABETH I'S GOLDEN SHIP:
~ The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
~ The Heart Room (encountered)
~ The Room of the Golden Idols (encountered)

JOHN SUTTER AND THE MAP TO THE LOST GOLD MINE
~ The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
~ The Throne Room (encountered)
~ The Room of the Golden Idols (encountered)

Total completion: 1/4 (25%)

I can honestly say this may have confused me to end, but I successfully narrowed down the possibilities for the Golden Cricket Cage of Khan— even though we'll never know if the alternate route I theorized about was accurate.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 19, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
I think those are reasonable predictions for Cricket Cage. There is a wide variety of possibilities on where that last guard may be at. Judging from the other episodes in that layout, I say the final temple guard would have to be in a close room like the Room of the Golden Idols or Gargoyle Room.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 19, 2011, 04:07:42 PM
I always thought the third temple guard from Cricket Cage was in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings. Since the producers love to pull the "one room away" trick on contestants in Season 1.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 19, 2011, 04:11:34 PM
I always thought the third temple guard from Cricket Cage was in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings. Since the producers love to pull the "one room away" trick on contestants in Season 1.

We can't forget this possibility either since there are countless season one episodes where they had a one room away guard.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 20, 2011, 01:43:01 AM
THE STAR OF SULTAN SALADIN
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)
-- The Cave of Sighs (we see the temple guard as Leah exits the temple with the artifact.)

-- Heart Room/Priate's Cove?

The last temple guard has to be in one of these two rooms. I am going to go with the Heart Room though because the producers loved shoving them in there in season one. It would be nice if we could see the half-pendant somewhere...

THE KEYS TO THE ALHAMBRA
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)

-- ?

Thanks to Lisa's stupidity, we will never get an idea on where that last temple guard could be at. I don't think it would be in the Shrine or Pirate's Cove, as that would have made the third guard unavoidable and the run would've ended in triple capture. My best guess would be the Gargoyle Room?

THE HELMET OF GENGHIS KHAN
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)

-- The Heart Room?

I have a pretty good feeling the last guard was in that room. If you look during the temple rundown, the stone slab from the Pirate's Cove is covering the Dungeon entrance, possibly meaning that no entry from the Dungeon. Also, the Tomb does not open from the Shine and we do not see a temple guard headdress in the Spider's Lair. The only other possible place would be the Throne Room or Heart Room. I will go with the Heart Room because it was a popular choice in season one.

THE TROJAN HORSESHOE
-- The Cave of Sighs (encountered)
-- The Shrine of the Silver Monkey (encountered)
-- The Spider's Lair


We know that the last temple guard is in the Spider's Lair for sure because you can see its headdress during the temple rundown. Also, when Shawn is exiting with the Horseshoe, you can see him trying to avoid stepping on the temple guard.

THE PENDANT OF KAMEHAMEHA
-- The Throne Room (encountered)
-- The Heart Room (encountered)
-- The Dungeon (encountered)

Total Completion: 5/11
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on November 23, 2011, 08:14:58 PM
May as well knock out the Layout IV possibilities:

THE LOST LOGBOOKS OF MAGELLAN
~ Room of Harmonic Convergence (encountered)
~ Heart Room (encountered)
~ Pirate's Cove (encountered)

THE MOCCASINS OF GERONIMO
~ Observatory (encountered)
~ Room of the Three Gargoyles? (During the pre-Temple walkthrough, you can see the door on the back wall is slightly cracked, as if the Temple Guard would jump out in this room if Mitchell chose the upper entrance as his starting point rather than the cave of Sighs)
~ Shrine of the Silver Monkey? (The third guard was likely here, the Room of Harmonic Convergence or the Heart Room— conversely, I've eliminated the two mentioned because the Heart Room's vertical passage was locked from the Observatory down and Mitchell didn't bother to try the Room of Harmonic Convergence door, which would've worked from here or either the Wall Climb.)

HENRY VIII'S GREAT SEAL
~ Cave of Sighs (encountered)
~ Heart Room (encountered)
~ Tomb of the Ancient Kings (encountered)

THE LUCKY PIG OF AMELIA EARHART
~ Room of the Three Gargoyles (encountered)
~ Treacherous Swamp (encountered)
~ Heart Room (seems to be the most logical possibility given that this and the Cave of Sighs weren't entered by Kristin for two reasons— first and foremost, there wasn't a good enough camera angle during the pre-Temple walkthrough footage to show any evidence of a Temple Guard in the Cave of Sighs; secondly, plus I definitely doubt 99% the producers would be brutal enough to two out of three guards in both entrance rooms)

Total Completion: 3/12=1/4 (25%)

In a nutshell, the other placements in this layout were easy and difficult alike, so they may be accurate for the most part.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 24, 2011, 12:58:46 AM
The last temple guard definitely has to be in the Heart Room for Amelia Earhart. The only other places would be the Cave of Sighs, but that would be a ridiculous layout which meant the last temple guard would've taken the team out one room away from the artifact regardless of what entrance room they took. And besides, the producers never put both temple guards in both entrance rooms during the temple run.

And I agree pretty much with the Moccasins of Geronimo too. One of the guards were probably in the Shrine and he possibly avoided it by taking the Treasure Chest down below. On an interesting note, the rock slab was already up in the Pirate's Cove, which probably meant the team would've been forced to enter there from the Dungeon.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on November 24, 2011, 09:01:33 AM
Let's keep going with a sum-up of Layout V (This may be a little more complex— given that all four episodes have one unencountered guard):

PONCE DE LEON AND THE LOST FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH
~ Encountered guards: Observatory and the Room of Harmonic Convergence
~ Unencountered guards: Obviously gotta be the Cave of Sighs because James had entered eleven out of twelve rooms, so the final guard had to be here.

THE TREASURE MAP OF JEAN LAFITTE
~ Encountered guards: Room of Harmonic Convergence and the Heart Room
~ Unencountered guards: Based upon the path they took and the lack of the half-Pendant that Terri-Kay would've had to pick up somewhere in the Temple, it's most likely that all three captures were forced or that one guard had to be avoidable. Altogether, the third guard was likely in the Pirate's Cove or the Dungeon (both of which would open in the Shrine if the monkey was assembled) rather than the Tomb of the Ancient Kings— provided that the Tomb could open from the Shrine and they could've reached the Treasure Map without the half-Pendant.

THE ORACLE BOWL OF DELPHI
~ Encountered guards: Room of the Three Gargoyles and the Swamp
~ Unencountered guards: It was definite that the three captures were all forced, similar to other episodes where the team goes around the horn. So, I'm saying it's either in the Shrine of the Silver Monkey or the Treasure Room (personally, I'm leaning towards the latter due to the one-room-away technique that was applied in several Temple Runs in Season 1) instead of the Heart Room; about that one just mentioned, it's much less possible the passage up from the Room of Harmonic Convergence opened and the Heart Room would be a double whammy— a twofold setback with a Temple Guard and a dead-end.

THE PAINTBRUSH OF LEONARDO DA VINCI
~ Encountered guards: Swamp and the Observatory
~ Unencountered guards: Like the episode above, it's 99% possible that the three captures were forced and the third guard (similar to the previous episode) was most likely in the Treasure Room or the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. About what would happen in the Shrine, I think both the Pirate's Cove and Dungeon would open, making it unnecessary to put a guard there if they've encountered two out of three.

Total completion: 4/4 (100%)

Overall, this layout was somewhat more difficult because we could locate one of four guards, but we had to narrow down the possibilties in the other three episodes.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 24, 2011, 07:50:39 PM
I am pretty sure the temple guards in "The Oracle Bowl of Delphi" weren't forced. Had Shane started in the Cave of Sighs, he would've avoided the Gargoyle Room guard. Although he would've probably met a last guard in the Shrine or Treasure Room. Not that it mattered though since they had two pendants anyways.

Same thing for "The Paintbrush of Leonardo Da Vinci" as all three guards definitely weren't unavoidable. The Swamp guard was probably avoidable. My last guess for the guard in this episode would be the Shrine or Dungeon.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on December 12, 2011, 06:12:31 PM
Let's continue this thread with Layout VI:

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA
~ Encountered guards: Cave of Sighs, Treasure Room
~ Unencountered guards: The other two rooms they didn't enter were the Well and the Room of the Three Torches, so it's once again obvious all three encounters were unavoidable— as far as the third guard goes, I'm gonna say it's most likely the Well.

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA:
~ Encountered guards: Treasure Room
~ Unencountered guards: Something about this makes me think that they'd put a guard in the Heart Room to create a twofold setback— there'd be a Temple Guard capture and a dead end— but I'm not sure if the Heart Room opens in the Room of Harmonic Convergence; I'm definitely saying one of the other two temple guards was possibly in the Room of the Three Gargoyles— as if to set up a direct path to artifact trap.

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA:
~ Encountered guards: Cave of Sighs, Observatory
~ Unencountered guards: Because Evan grabbed the half-pendant in the Shrine just before time expired, that confirmed the last guard was obviously beyond this point— most likely the Well or the Tomb of the Ancient Kings (it's possible that either door would open in the Shrine).

THE STONE MARKER OF LIEFR EIRIKSSON
~ Encountered guards: Bamboo Forest, Observatory
~ Unencountered guards: Same placement applies for the Paintbrush of Leonardo da Vinci based upon the path Keeley and Chris took.

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC:
~ Encountered guards: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Room of Harmonic Convergence
~ Unencountered guards: The only other two rooms that Eddie and Amanda didn't enter were the Treasure Room and Observatory, so either one is possible— the former of the two sounds more plausible because like the Oracle Bowl of Delphi, it's probable that all three encounters were forced in this layout.

Total completion: 5/6 (95%)

What's unique about this layout was that every episode had at least one guard that was unencountered.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on December 12, 2011, 06:28:15 PM
Here's some notes about those:

THE GOLDEN CHAINS OF ZENOBIA:
- The Cave of Sighs guard was actually avoidable had Jennifer went into the Gargoyle room.
- We are unsure if the Tomb opens to the Shrine as Justin never used the key in time.
- The last temple guard definitely had to be in the Well, as it would be pointless to be placed in the Torch Room.

THE BELLY BUTTON OF BUDDHA
- The Room of Three Gargoyles had to be one for sure,as it would've been a direct path guard and the producers loved them in season one.

I agree with the last guard being in the Heart Room. Its unclear whether the Heart Room actually opens at all, but similar to the Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa, the Heart Room would've been a deadend.

THE STOLEN ARM OF SHIVA
I agree, it probably had to be in the Well or Tomb since the secondrunner found the half-pendant in the Shrine. I say the Tomb more because they lovedthe one room away guards in season one.

THE STONE MARKER OF LEIF ERIKSON
This one is tricky as the team never makes it far. It could be in any number of rooms in the temple. It would help though if someone could spot the half-pendant during the temple rundown.

THE HELMET OF JOAN OF ARC
The last one for sure had to be in the Treasure Room. Putting it in the Observatory would've just made it a useless detour and the Treasure Room made sense since season one loved the one room away guards.

Also, all three temple guards were not force encounters either. Eddie could've avoided the Gargoyle guard by starting in the Cave.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Green Monkey Warrior on January 14, 2012, 10:54:07 AM
Time to keep making progress with Layout VII:

THE MEDAL OF SIR EDMUND HILLARY
~ Encountered guards: Room of the Three Gargoyles, Heart Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey

THE MASK OF SHAKA ZULU
~ Encountered guards: Cave of Sighs
~ Unencountered guards: As shown in the pre-Temple rundown, the treasure chest was open— indicating that Bobby should've entered the Treasure Room from the Holes of Python (thus making it a plausible guard location). On the contrary, I agree with a handful of the other members that there was an alternate route that he could've taken along the Troubled Bridge and the rest of the top floor— so it's a most likely chance that the other guard's location was probably in the Observatory or the Room of the Three Torches.

THE GOLDEN JAGUAR OF ATAHUALPA
~ Encountered guards: Heart Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey
~ Unencountered guards: Like the previous episode, there was most likely an alternate route Chris could've taken that led him along the Troubled Bridge and down the entire central shaft. As far as I'm concerned for the third guard, I'm saying it's either the Room of the Three Gargoyles or the Observatory— adversely, I think that the producers wouldn't be that cruel by putting a guard in the Room of the Three Torches directly after Tracy rode the well upwards.

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL
~ Encountered guards: Treasure Room, Holes of Python
~ Unencountered guards: Because the team had 1 ½ pendants, they needed to get the half pendant which was possibly on the bottom floor. In a nutshell, there are two possibilities that sound comprehensible enough— they would've had all three captures forced because of the path they took or they could remove all three guards with the half pendant which someone has to find and explain where it is. For the most part, the third guard was probably in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or the Well.

ALEXANDER AND THE GORDIAN KNOT
~ Encountered guards: Throne Room, Tomb of the Ancient Kings
~ Unencountered guards: This run's placement fits both of the same criteria as the Helmet of Joan of Arc and the Oracle Bowl of Delphi.

Total completion: 5/10= ½ (50%)

Wow. This layout had only half of its temple guard placements that weren't shown.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on January 15, 2012, 12:47:32 AM
Those sound pretty accurate.

"The Mask of Shaka Zulu" is a really weird episode due to the route Bobby took in the temple. It wouldn't be too far of a reach to predict that the layouts were similar to "The Paintbrush of Leonardo Da Vinci" and "The Stone Marker of Leif Erikson" where the Holes of Python should've been a deadend. My guess for the two guards would be the Treasure Room and Shrine/Torch Room. The Observatory wouldn't make sense because that would mean there would be no way to encounter all three guards.

I agree with "The Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa" being in the Gargoyle Room due to the path they took.

"The Silver Saddle Horn" guard had to be in the Tomb of the Ancient Kings or maybe even in the Well. This run would've probably ended in triple capture.

For "Alexander and the Gordian Knot", the last guard definitely had to be in the Treasure Room. In the Shrine, you can see the secondrunner picking up the half-pendant. Interesting enough, that means all the guards were unavoidable in this run.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on April 10, 2012, 01:16:19 PM
Its been a while since we have touched on this topic, so let's try and go back and see if we can complete more episodes. Here  is some observations I have made recently:

THE SILVER SADDLE HORN OF HANNIBAL
-- The Treasure Room (encountered)
-- The Holes of Python (encountered)
-- The Room of the Three Gargoyles

I believe the last temple guard in this run was in the Gargoyle Room. When Vicky spins in the sundial in the Observatory, the bar leading to the Troubled Bridge opens, indicating they could've entered the top floor from the Gargoyles. Judging from the path Vicky originally took, taking  the bottom floor would've most likely resulted in a solo run. Also, having the temple guard in the Gargoyles would mean that she would've been taken out in the Treasure Room, which makes sense for the direct path.

THE MASK OF THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Swamp (encountered)
-- The Crypt

I don't think the last guard was in the King's Storeroom. Judging from the prior two temple guard placements, a guard in the King's Storeroom would've meant that the team would've had a one room away guard had they not went into Medusa's Lair. This makes no sense and that would've meant they had to enter Medusa's Lair to avoid this guard. And plus, the Crypt makes sense since the artifact was in the Observatory, so it would be a direct guard trap.

THE GOLDEN GOBLET OF ATTILA THE HUN
-- Medusa's Lair (encountered)
-- The Ledges
-- The Room of the Secret Password


I believe these two rooms in bold were the rooms where the other temple guards resided. From the Pit of Despair, we can see that the half-pendant in on the Medusa's Lair actuator. That means one temple guard had to be before the half-pendant, which would be the unentered Ledges. Also, I think Rachelle would've been forced into the Secret Password from the Shrine. The Dark Forest would make no sense in this run because it was locked from the Jester's Court already, so there would be no point in forcing her down there.

THE MELTED HEAD OF MADAME TUSSAUD
-- The Chamber of the Sacred Markers (encountered)
-- The Room of the Ancient Warriors (encountered)
-- The Ledges

Judging from the half-pendant location, I think the Ledges makes more sense. Had the team went up into the King's Storeroom, this could've been a solo victory.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on April 10, 2012, 02:49:27 PM
I don't know about Golden Goblet. For sure one of the guards was in the Ledges, but the other guard HAD to have been in the Dark Forest. If you listen carefully, you will hear the door chime that always indicates that the Dark Forest opened (this from the Jesters' Court). The Court was too dark, so Rachelle missed a chance to enter this room. I think the temple spirit was residing in the tree closest to the breakable wall, reminiscent to The Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy. However, it IS possible that this was one of those rare runs where the wall could not be broken down from the Forest, thus resulting in the temple spirit being in the camera-right tree. We'll never know for sure though.

I will agree with the Melted Head assumption though. This would've been exactly identical to Lost Hornpipe, and I think that is what the producers were going for here, except the big difference was that the Storeroom opened up from the Pit. However, because of this, one might argue that entering the Headless Kings and going up the central column defeats this argument. A guard was in the Chamber and this guard could've been avoided like in many other season 3 runs. So with that being said, the third guard could've been in the Room of the Secret Password. However, I'm sticking with the guard being in the Ledges.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on April 10, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
I completely agree about the Golden Goblet's temple guard placements. I doubt the producers would allow Rachelle to go straight down into the Mine Shaft, with the layout she had. The Ledges could be a direct path trick, and the Room of the Secret Password could have been a one room away trick.

I also agree about the Melted Head's temple guard placement. Again, the Ledges temple guard could have been a direct path trick. And like PP319 said, the layout could have been similar to that of The Lost Hornpipe. Only this time, the King's Storeroom door does open in the Pit.

Word on Silver Saddle Horn and Iron Mask's temple guard placements as well.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 20, 2012, 06:05:07 PM
As far as Gawain is concerned, I think there was a guard in the Chamber, but since the cover didn't go up when Tiffani completed, despite the flash of light that normally accompanies it, the guard couldn't capture it. This is further evidenced in that the cover doesn't go up when Tiffani grabs the helmet (it should've, as it did when Gator grabbed the Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak).

Gawain was the only episode where the lights flashed and the cover failed to go up. If you go to the video and watch that part, the sound effect of the cover going up is even heard. That makes me believe that there was a guard in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers.

I think that the second guard was placed in the Ledges. The dark lighting in the Ledges would have been crucial so that the contestants would not be able to see the guard from where they stood at the gate, during the temple overview. In "Bifocal Monocle," "Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag," and "War Fan" (the three other episodes taped during that day), the Ledges were lit. The same dark lighting was used during the temple overview for "The Dried Apple Half of William Tell," which we know housed a guard in the Ledges. It was not until the contestant descended from the Crypt to the Ledges that the Ledges became lit and revealed the guard. And just as with "Gawain," the other episodes taped during the same day as "Apple Half" had lit Ledges during the temple overview.

I believe that there was NOT a guard in the Quicksand Bog. There is a lack of piling of Styrofoam blocks in the "Gawain" episode, in comparison to the "Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb," which we know had a temple guard in the Bog. Consider these two screenshots taken from those two episodes (courtesy video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf):







For the placement of the third guard instead, I believe it was the Room of the Secret Password or the King's Storeroom. After the Silver Monkey is assembled, the door to the Secret Password opens, and the camera does a panoramic-sweeping view up to the Secret Password, which means that the producers probably expected Tiffani to head in that direction. The other possibility is that the guard was in the King's Storeroom, and that after running into the guard behind the cover in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, Tiffani would have had to have gone up to the King's Storeroom and encountered another guard immediately (a la "Upside Compass of Henry Hudson").
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 20, 2012, 06:14:38 PM
THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

The Ledges were well-lit during the temple overview for "War Fan," which implies that a guard was not stationed there (please see my other comment regarding guards in the Ledges, above). There is another possibility for the third guard location: the Dark Forest. Since the team only had one pendant, one guard had to have been avoidable. In Season Three, that often meant using diverging pathways that met up later on in the temple (often seen as two doors opening from the Pit to the central shaft). However, only one pathway opened from the Pit to the central shaft in "War Fan"; therefore, the road must have forked somewhere else, with guards on each road. Once Jeremy completed the Silver Monkey, both the Secret Password and the Dark Forest opened up-- a perfect divergent pathway that would converge again at the Quicksand Bog. Jeremy chose to go to the Secret Password. That meant that the idea of having the guard in the Dark Forest would have tested to see if Elise could trace Jeremy's path, or if she would stray and take the alternate route (a la Kelly in "Thornwood Gavel").
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2012, 10:55:23 PM
THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

False, no episode ever saw a guard placed in both entrances, nor is there evidence supporting such notion. The Ledges were well-lit during the temple overview for "War Fan," which implies that a guard was not stationed there (please see my other comment regarding guards in the Ledges, above). There is another possibility for the third guard location: the Dark Forest. Since the team only had one pendant, one guard had to have been avoidable. In Season Three, that often meant using diverging pathways that met up later on in the temple (often seen as two doors opening from the Pit to the central shaft). However, only one pathway opened from the Pit to the central shaft in "War Fan"; therefore, the road must have forked somewhere else, with guards on each road. Once Jeremy completed the Silver Monkey, both the Secret Password and the Dark Forest opened up-- a perfect divergent pathway that would converge again at the Quicksand Bog. Jeremy chose to go to the Secret Password. That meant that the idea of having the guard in the Dark Forest would have tested to see if Elise could trace Jeremy's path, or if she would stray and take the alternate route (a la Kelly in "Thornwood Gavel").

I disagree, there had to be a temple guard in both entrance rooms for "The Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza" temple run. If you watch the temple run, the Tomb of the Headless Kings door did not open to the Jester's Court in that run when Lacey completed the objective for that room. So the only unentered room the team did not enter was in the Ledges. Its possible that the Ledges was a deadend and the Green Monkeys in that run would've been forced into the Crypt where they would've been taken out. It seems like a weird layout, but it was the last production day of the show, so the producers were trying some gimmicky probably.

As for the "War Fan" run, its also possible the last guard was in one of the suits of the Ancient Warriors. There were some instances where a temple guard in a suit of armor was avoidable like in the "Chandragupta" and "Ivan the Terrible" temple runs. So we should take that into consideration. The Dark Forest would look like a useless detour to me anyways if there was a guard there.
Title: Re: Where were the temple guards?
Post by: PurpleParrot4Life on September 20, 2012, 11:08:48 PM
THE WAR FAN OF THE 47 RONIN:
-Encountered Guards: Crypt, Room of the Secret Password
-Unencountered Guards: This one is interesting because the only other room they were given access to is the Ledges.  It does seem weird that they'd put a guard in both entrance rooms, but here, it is the only possibility.  I can only guess that the doors from the Ledges to the Pit of the Pendulum would have been locked, forcing them to encounter both guards if they chose the wrong entrance. (Although counter-intuitive, this seems entirely plausible since they only had 1 pendant, and therefore, one temple guard had to be avoidable)

False, no episode ever saw a guard placed in both entrances, nor is there evidence supporting such notion. The Ledges were well-lit during the temple overview for "War Fan," which implies that a guard was not stationed there (please see my other comment regarding guards in the Ledges, above). There is another possibility for the third guard location: the Dark Forest. Since the team only had one pendant, one guard had to have been avoidable. In Season Three, that often meant using diverging pathways that met up later on in the temple (often seen as two doors opening from the Pit to the central shaft). However, only one pathway opened from the Pit to the central shaft in "War Fan"; therefore, the road must have forked somewhere else, with guards on each road. Once Jeremy completed the Silver Monkey, both the Secret Password and the Dark Forest opened up-- a perfect divergent pathway that would converge again at the Quicksand Bog. Jeremy chose to go to the Secret Password. That meant that the idea of having the guard in the Dark Forest would have tested to see if Elise could trace Jeremy's path, or if she would stray and take the alternate route (a la Kelly in "Thornwood Gavel").

I disagree, there had to be a temple guard in both entrance rooms for "The Jeweled Scabbard of Sforza" temple run. If you watch the temple run, the Tomb of the Headless Kings door did not open to the Jester's Court in that run when Lacey completed the objective for that room. So the only unentered room the team did not enter was in the Ledges. Its possible that the Ledges was a deadend and the Green Monkeys in that run would've been forced into the Crypt where they would've been taken out. It seems like a weird layout, but it was the last production day of the show, so the producers were trying some gimmicky probably.

As for the "War Fan" run, its also possible the last guard was in one of the suits of the Ancient Warriors. There were some instances where a temple guard in a suit of armor was avoidable like in the "Chandragupta" and "Ivan the Terrible" temple runs. So we should take that into consideration. The Dark Forest would look like a useless detour to me anyways if there was a guard there.

Thank you for alerting me to the idea of having a guard in the Ledges for "Jeweled Scabbard." Just like in "Gawain" and "Dried Apple Half," the Ledges are completely dark during the temple overview. That would suggest a guard being stationed there, based on my previous hypothesis regarding the lighting of the Ledges during Season Three. And as it is the only room not entered along the longest possible route for that run, it would most likely have been there (as opposed to being in, say, the Secret Password, which the players had no access to at all during the run).