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Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meeting
Post by: nicklegends on January 02, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
Hello Phantom's Temple,

There will be a discussion about the future of the forum beginning tomorrow, January 3rd, 2011 at approximately 5:00 CST. Look for a topic in the Steps of Knowledge or the Moat around that time. Everybody is invited to participate. We hope to see you there!

Sincerely,
Your Temple Guards

P.S. I will be a few hours late due to classes, so don't wait for me. :wink:
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 02, 2011, 09:18:16 PM
Good to know. Now to hope I don't forget :P
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: Asian Legends Fan on January 02, 2011, 09:37:48 PM
Count me out for the beginning, but I will most likely attend... depending on how early I wake up. :P
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: Toltendo on January 02, 2011, 11:04:25 PM
Cool. I'll just start ahead and say this before I come back:

I'm starting to feel that this forum has become a small club of about 8-9 people with barely any progress or expansion of new members. It seems like we're discussing about stuff in a circle to be honest. I mean this is the primary reason I'm hesitant to do the podcast.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on January 02, 2011, 11:44:32 PM
I"ll try to be there everybody.

Also, if we wanted to use a chatroom for the discussion, we could always use Jon's old chatroom here (http://http://www.piczo.com/legendsofthehiddentemple?g=19129358&cr=2)! (Just use your screen name here as your user name over there)
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on January 03, 2011, 10:54:27 AM
January 3 being today huh? I'll try to be there. I may be a little late, because that's when I eat dinner. But I'll still stop by for the discussion.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 03, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
Well I have an actual excuse this time.

The internet was down in my area for most of the day.

Anyway, all things aside this topic still needs to be adressed. How we go about it doesn't matter at this point, as long as we decide what it is we want to do.

For over a year now we've been discussing the concept of moving the forum. This could mean many different things.

What we need to do is identify our choices of action and move from there.

Now we have a few choices. As I see it our main choices include:

1. Complete Forum Move: This would entail closing up shop and simply moving to a new forum with a new host. A complete new start.

2. Change of Venue Move: We move away from a forum host and establish a different kind of community. A facebook group has been discussed, however I feel that that would be just a fraction of the new community we would establish. This could be anything from a chat group to a complete website depending on what direction we go in.

3. Technical Move: While I'm not very tech savy I know several of the members here are. After having the forum backed up, if there is anyway we can transfer the data to another site, that could be a possible choice. Again, I am not sure at all if this is a possibility, but I feel it does need to be mentioned.

4. No Move: We stay where we are despite the problems Forumer has given us.

Now no one of these choices is perfect. What we need to do is discuss which of these are possible and what it is we want to do.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we ARE the Legends of the Hidden Temple community. When I started this forum it was nothing more than an experiment. While this is by no means a large community by the standards of the internet, we have proven to be an established community. The fact is, while the discussion mainted here is mostly through regulars, we have become a hub for the Legends fandom.

The fact is, this is not a choice that I alone should be making, this is something we all need to decide on. I'm open to anything at all, feel free to make suggestions. My main concern is that our community continues to exist. What we've established here in the last 5 years is pretty nice, and I know that no one wants to see it die.

Thank you very much, and sorry for the late post.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 03, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
I'm still for choice #3. I already have a backup of the database (albeit from a few weeks ago, so I would need to back up the database again in order to save the posts and threads made since then.) and I can set up another forum (and import the data into it) no problem.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on January 03, 2011, 08:24:25 PM
I think #3 is the best choice, but if it somehow fails us (not blaming you specifically TSM :P), my second option would be #1.

Otherwise, I feel like Toltendo was onto something? discussion has stagnated to some extent (probably mainly because there really isn't anything fresh to discuss as the show has been "dead" for quite some time now), and I'll admit my interest has started to wane again.  But, I'd like to see this place not in some sort of danger because of corporate monkeys, and everyone we know still comfortable being together.

I realize the forum doesn't have that many core members, if you want to call them that, but I can see if shrinking if #2 is chosen and takes a certain direction (I know some members may be hesitant to give away personal information like full names and the like, so Facebook and similar sites could cost us some members).  I feel like this place needs to remain a forum of some kind, no matter how long it lasts.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on January 03, 2011, 08:35:47 PM
Yeah, also gotta say #3 as well. For all the same reasons stated. Especially since TSM has most of this place backed up. It just makes the move that much easier.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: Asian Legends Fan on January 03, 2011, 09:45:16 PM
#3.

I'm against #1 because we'll lose all of our discussions and fanfics that practically form the backbone of this place, #2 because I really can't imagine this community in its current thriving state, so to say, if it were not a forum, and #4 because the problems... well, "excessive" would be an understatement.

If there is a large, real-time discussion at some point, I won't be attending if it isn't on a weekend due to time differences.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Bandit King on January 04, 2011, 07:29:17 AM
I'm for choice #3 as well, partly because TSM was kind enough to start on it. #1 would be my second choice.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: ""The Silver Monkey""
I'm still for choice #3. I already have a backup of the database (albeit from a few weeks ago, so I would need to back up the database again in order to save the posts and threads made since then.) and I can set up another forum (and import the data into it) no problem.


Choice 3 seems like the popular one. In terms of setting up another forum, what exactly did you have in mind?
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
Choice 3 seems like the popular one. In terms of setting up another forum, what exactly did you have in mind?


This: http://phantomstemple.us.to/index.php (http://http://phantomstemple.us.to/index.php)

I still have to do another backup and then import it, but you get the general idea.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: Toltendo on January 04, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
I go for Choice #3.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 05:53:47 PM
Offtopic

I want to say, in terms of activity on the forum, I would certainly like to increase the activity, and this may be an opportunity for us to do just that. Now that's another conversation entirely and we need to focus on this main problem first, but I would just like to say that for the last 2 years, activity has been very good for the forum.

While it has amounted to roughly 10 regulars, that's very good for us compared to our first 3 years, in which we would have periods of large activity followed by periods of close to zero posts for weeks at a time. As a forum, we've been doing all right.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 05:59:27 PM
PS: Silver Monkey, I sent you a private message, let me know if you got it.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on January 04, 2011, 05:59:55 PM
Choice #3 is the best one as I see it.

However, if we were to go for option #3 TSM, would you be willing/able to be de-Admin'd after the current mods took control?
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: ""The Dark Enforcer""
Choice #3 is the best one as I see it.

However, if we were to go for option #3 TSM, would you be willing/able to be de-Admin'd after the current mods took control?


That's exactly the matter I've sent him a PM over. Because I felt that it was something that the two of us should discuss and not the entire forum. I hope you understand.

EDIT: TSM; I believe your PM box is full, plesae empty it.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 06:05:13 PM
I got it. My PM box wasn't full.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: ""The Silver Monkey""
I got it. My PM box wasn't full.


Ok, I'm sorry, just please get back to me ASAP.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on January 04, 2011, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
Quote from: ""The Dark Enforcer""
Choice #3 is the best one as I see it.

However, if we were to go for option #3 TSM, would you be willing/able to be de-Admin'd after the current mods took control?

That's exactly the matter I've sent him a PM over. Because I felt that it was something that the two of us should discuss and not the entire forum. I hope you understand.

EDIT: TSM; I believe your PM box is full, plesae empty it.
10-4. I'll let you handle it Phantom!
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
Quote from: ""The Silver Monkey""
I got it. My PM box wasn't full.

Ok, I'm sorry, just please get back to me ASAP.


Just did.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 06:15:30 PM
All right everyone, it's been decided.

After the move, the staff will be re-organized with myself, Ed, and TSM all as Admins. I'm granting this to TSM due to his help in backing up the forum and because he established this new forum giving him technical administartion, so I feel it's only fair.

With that in mind, it seems that the majority of the board is in favor of a technical move. What we need to do now is take care of any unfinished business.

Once everything is straightened out, we'll set a date for the official "move", in which TSM will do a final backup of the forum and then we will officially start to conduct ourselves in the new one.

The only concern I can think of at this point is if Forumer will get onto us for making this move. As far as I know, this is in no way a violation of their terms of use, normally I wouldn't give it a second thought. However, I also did not know that they were closing down forums if the admin didn't post every 30 days, so I'm not exactly up to date on their policies.

I'm going to conduct my own research into this, but for now, as far as everyone knows, is this in anyway a breach of their terms?
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 06:27:14 PM
I reviewed the terms and can find no violation.

If there are any other matters of concern, please post them within the next 24 hours. Assuming there are none, or any posted are taken care of, we will set the date for the move tomorrow at 10:30PM Central Standard Time.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on January 04, 2011, 06:35:16 PM
Are there going to be any other staff members besides Phantom, Ed, and TSM?

What about TMH? Also what about G. Mods and Mods? :?
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Bandit King on January 04, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Sounds great...looking forward to it!
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Bandit King on January 04, 2011, 06:37:29 PM
But still, we'd better make sure not to delete this forum...just in case the new one doesn't work properly or something...
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: ""The Dark Enforcer""
Are there going to be any other staff members besides Phantom, Ed, and TSM?

What about TMH? Also what about G. Mods and Mods? :?


As it was, it just seemed to me that things would be more easy to run if the staff are all admins. As far as Mike goes, he's out of the picture. So if you want to get technical, there will be no mods, just admins. This could change in the future if we feel there is a need for moderators, but at this time, I don't see that as needed.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
I reviewed the terms and can find no violation.

If there are any other matters of concern, please post them within the next 24 hours. Assuming there are none, or any posted are taken care of, we will set the date for the move tomorrow at 10:30PM Central Standard Time.


Sounds like a plan.

I would really appreciate it if everyone can refrain from posting HERE tomorrow from around 4:00PM eastern onward, so I don't miss any posts during the backup. I might set up a Twitter account or something to keep you guys posted on how the move is going (Note that you don't need to register on Twitter to view one's tweets).

Also, you will all get a PM with a link to the new board as well as a randomly generated password. Log in with the password in the PM and then change it right away to something you won't forget.

That pretty much covers everything, I think. Thanks for your cooperation.

(Oh, and Phantom, mind switching the default theme back to SubSilver? The database backup script won't work otherwise.)
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: ""The Bandit King""
But still, we'd better make sure not to delete this forum...just in case the new one doesn't work properly or something...


Glad you mentioned that. Now, it's my hope that the new board will work, but if worst does come to worst, and THIS forum is being used simply to link to the new one; Forumer will delete this board.

I don't see this as being a problem, though. As I'm pretty sure the new forum will work just fine, unless anyone has any particular concerns.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 06:49:29 PM
Since this post ended up being the last one on the previous page, here it is again so you guys don't miss it:

Quote from: ""The Silver Monkey""

Sounds like a plan.

I would really appreciate it if everyone can refrain from posting HERE tomorrow from around 4:00PM eastern onward, so I don't miss any posts during the backup. I might set up a Twitter account or something to keep you guys posted on how the move is going (Note that you don't need to register on Twitter to view one's tweets).

Also, you will all get a PM with a link to the new board as well as a randomly generated password. Log in with the password in the PM and then change it right away to something you won't forget.

That pretty much covers everything, I think. Thanks for your cooperation.

(Oh, and Phantom, mind switching the default theme back to SubSilver? The database backup script won't work otherwise.)
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on January 04, 2011, 07:10:48 PM
Any idea how long it might take? How long did the last one take?
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 07:14:07 PM
Switching over to Sub Silver until the backup is taken care of.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: ""The Ancient Warrior""
Any idea how long it might take? How long did the last one take?


A couple of hours, probably. Mainly because of how big the Main Spam Topic is.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on January 04, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: ""The Silver Monkey""
Quote from: ""The Ancient Warrior""
Any idea how long it might take? How long did the last one take?

A couple of hours, probably. Mainly because of how big the Main Spam Topic is.


I take it we should expect some sort of announcement when it's done?
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: ""The Ancient Warrior""
Quote from: ""The Silver Monkey""
Quote from: ""The Ancient Warrior""
Any idea how long it might take? How long did the last one take?

A couple of hours, probably. Mainly because of how big the Main Spam Topic is.

I take it we should expect some sort of announcement when it's done?


Yeah, probably.

Also, I don't think SubSilver was set as the default skin. I logged out and I still saw FI Black.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: PhantomBPR on January 04, 2011, 07:20:08 PM
Try it again and let me know.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 04, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
Try it again and let me know.


OK, it's good now.
Title: Official "Future of Phantom's Temple" Meet
Post by: The Silver Monkey on January 05, 2011, 11:56:43 AM
OK, I'm about to start the backup. Please don't post! I don't want to miss anything.