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Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 08, 2009, 09:09:35 AM
Alright, in the episode "The Treasure of Anne Bonny", I was always curious whether Ron completed the Treasury of the Golden Orbs objective. I watched the run the other day and all I see Ron do in the room is pushh the actuators, that do nothing. However, the camera cuts to Fred and Kirk for a few seconds afterwards, and Ron is all of a sudden in the Shrine. When he is leaving the temple with the artifact, you can see that there is no orbs on any pedestals.

My question is did Ron actually complete the room objective?
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: Notundercovercop327 on September 08, 2009, 10:19:13 AM
I don't think he did. I think the room was sort of like the room of the golden idols. You didn't have to complete the objective you just had to press an actuator to open a door.
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: nicklegends on September 08, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: ""notundercovercop327""
I don't think he did. I think the room was sort of like the room of the golden idols. You didn't have to complete the objective you just had to press an actuator to open a door.


Oh no; that means I have to fix another question in my Legends Quizzes section. :(
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 08, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Well, so much for that being the room that fixed the problem with the Treasure Room...

I wonder why they didn't cover up the actuators before Season 2 began? Do you think they had plans for the King's Storeroom to be another Golden Idols-type room?
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 08, 2009, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: ""notundercovercop327""
I don't think he did. I think the room was sort of like the room of the golden idols. You didn't have to complete the objective you just had to press an actuator to open a door.


The one thing that confuses me though is that you clearly see him press the actuator to the Shrine a few times, and the door doesn't open. Then you see him walking towards the center of the room, and the camera cuts back to Kurt and Fred for a few seconds. All of a sudden you hear the door opening chime, and Ron is in the Shrine.

Was it a production error or delayed button? If you watch the other episodes with the Treasury of the Golden Orbs, all the other contestants put the orbs on the pedestal to open the door. I am confused.  :?
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 08, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
Alright, first of all, it's Kirk Fogg. :wink:

I have no idea if it was bad editing, like that unrealistic cut in "The Mask of Shaka Zulu" or "The Milk Bucket of Freydis". Perhaps the camera was just focusing on Katherine cheering, but this has happened before in "The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata", when the camera cuts to Robert yelling, "GO! YOU CAN DO IT!" and then Olivia is in Medusa's Lair. Since she started going up to the Observatory, I have no idea if something happened and she was allowed to take a different way when they restarted the run, or if she just made a quick change of direction.

So basically... I think that Ron probably did complete the objective. At least the editing isn't as weird as Shaka Zulu.
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 08, 2009, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: ""The Bamboo Forest""
Alright, first of all, it's Kirk Fogg. :wink:

I have no idea if it was bad editing, like that unrealistic cut in "The Mask of Shaka Zulu" or "The Milk Bucket of Freydis". Perhaps the camera was just focusing on Katherine cheering, but this has happened before in "The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata", when the camera cuts to Robert yelling, "GO! YOU CAN DO IT!" and then Olivia is in Medusa's Lair. Since she started going up to the Observatory, I have no idea if something happened and she was allowed to take a different way when they restarted the run, or if she just made a quick change of direction.

So basically... I think that Ron probably did complete the objective. At least the editing isn't as weird as Shaka Zulu.


lol, I don't know what I was thinking when I said Kurt.

But Ron does not actually complete the room objective. When he passes the room after he got the artifact, you can clearly see that there are no orbs in the pedestals. Furthermore, it looks like none of the orbs were touched either. I don't know, season one had the weirdest rooms and runs.  :?
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 08, 2009, 06:23:45 PM
Probably a restart then, with bad editing in terms of consistency. :lol:
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 08, 2009, 06:39:55 PM
Maybe the door shouldn't have responded to the actuators, but for some reason, it did.  Not sure if that makes too much sense. ^^;
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on September 09, 2009, 02:32:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that he completed the objective. I mean the others did it (and coincidentally they won while he lost).

Also, are you sure the orbs are still at where they were?
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 09, 2009, 03:49:52 AM
Actually, now that TRJ mentioned it I'm pretty sure no orbs had changed position after Ron passed thru that room. I'm not sure though...
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 09, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: ""Red Jaguars Fan""
I'm pretty sure that he completed the objective. I mean the others did it (and coincidentally they won while he lost).

Also, are you sure the orbs are still at where they were?

You see, that is the problem. I always assumed that he completed the objective and the camera just never showed it. However, after watching it the other day, the camera only pans away from him for five seconds, and all of a sudden Ron is running in the Shrine and starts to assemble the monkey. Also, when he leaves the temple with the artifact, you can clearly see that both orbs are still in the alcoves in the back of the room, as if they weren't touched at all. There are no orbs in the pedestal either. Its really weird because it doesn't seem that he touched any of the orbs in the rooms.

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Maybe the door shouldn't have responded to the actuators, but for some reason, it did. Not sure if that makes too much sense. ^^;


That's exactly what I was thinking TAW. I assumed that when he pressed the actuator to the Shrine, it had a delayed response and opened for some unknown reason after Ron pressed it.
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 09, 2009, 02:44:47 PM
That would mean an orb moved. There were three orbs in the back of the room. :wink:
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 09, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: ""The Bamboo Forest""
That would mean an orb moved. There were three orbs in the back of the room. :wink:


Whoops, I meant that the two orbs in the back of the room and the one orb in the front of the room was untouched. There are three orbs in the room -- two in the back alcoves and one in the front of the room. None of the orbs were moved at all.  :)
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 09, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Okay, sounds better! lol
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on September 10, 2009, 01:42:50 AM
Okay, though it is blurry, you can see all 3 orbs not in a pedestal below, so now I don't know if he completed the objective.




EDIT: Sorry for the pause sign, I was using Dailymotion and had to pause it to get a screencap.
Title: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 10, 2009, 04:05:00 PM
I'm convinced it was some inconsistent editing; perhaps something happened in the Treasury and the room had to be reset or something. I'm no expert on filming gameshows, so I wouldn't know how it worked, but then again if he held down the actuator for enough it might have opened (like how someone - forgot who - theorized that Bobby opened the door by pressing down on the actuator for a long time).
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Viper on November 06, 2011, 10:53:22 AM
The Golden Orbs isn't an actuator room. All of the teams that went in that room had to complete the objective to open a door.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Viper on November 06, 2011, 11:00:18 AM
Alright, first of all, it's Kirk Fogg. :wink:

I have no idea if it was bad editing, like that unrealistic cut in "The Mask of Shaka Zulu" or "The Milk Bucket of Freydis". Perhaps the camera was just focusing on Katherine cheering, but this has happened before in "The Applewood Amulet of Emiliano Zapata", when the camera cuts to Robert yelling, "GO! YOU CAN DO IT!" and then Olivia is in Medusa's Lair. Since she started going up to the Observatory, I have no idea if something happened and she was allowed to take a different way when they restarted the run, or if she just made a quick change of direction.

So basically... I think that Ron probably did complete the objective. At least the editing isn't as weird as Shaka Zulu.

Can you tell me where the weird editing is in those episodes? i just want to see it for myself.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 06, 2011, 11:01:20 AM
Maybe the pedestals that the players put the orbs on were broken in this run? If the run was restarted, then here's what might have happened before it: Ron might have tried all three orbs and all three pedestals (different combinations), but none of them worked. This probably resulted in time running out. After the run, the producers probably found an error in the Treasury and gave Ron another shot. If so, they probably put Ron back in the Treasury and restarted the run at about the time he started pushing buttons. Maybe the producers panned to "Fred" and Kirk in hopes of trying to hide this potential production error? During this pan, they just let Ron enter the Shrine without having to actually do anything in the Treasury.

Hopefully this makes sense.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Headless King on November 06, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Maybe the pedestals that the players put the orbs on were broken in this run? If the run was restarted, then here's what might have happened before it: Ron might have tried all three orbs and all three pedestals (different combinations), but none of them worked. This probably resulted in time running out. After the run, the producers probably found an error in the Treasury and gave Ron another shot. If so, they probably put Ron back in the Treasury and restarted the run at about the time he started pushing buttons. Maybe the producers panned to "Fred" and Kirk in hopes of trying to hide this potential production error? During this pan, they just let Ron enter the Shrine without having to actually do anything in the Treasury.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Actually, I think this theory makes a lot of sense.  I guess this is where the phrase "Portions of this show have been edited not affecting the final outcome of the game" truly applies.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 07, 2011, 06:31:56 PM
The Golden Orbs isn't an actuator room. All of the teams that went in that room had to complete the objective to open a door.

Definitely true - this is made clear when Ron pushes on the actuator by the Shrine door and it doesn't open at all.
Maybe the pedestals that the players put the orbs on were broken in this run? If the run was restarted, then here's what might have happened before it: Ron might have tried all three orbs and all three pedestals (different combinations), but none of them worked. This probably resulted in time running out. After the run, the producers probably found an error in the Treasury and gave Ron another shot. If so, they probably put Ron back in the Treasury and restarted the run at about the time he started pushing buttons. Maybe the producers panned to "Fred" and Kirk in hopes of trying to hide this potential production error? During this pan, they just let Ron enter the Shrine without having to actually do anything in the Treasury.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Yeah, I think this makes sense in a way. Some sort of production error occurred during the run and the Shrine door did not open. As a result, they just let Ron bypass the room objective and as a result, none of the orbs look like they've been touched. Although its such a weird transition.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Viper on November 07, 2011, 06:34:07 PM
Yeah. *Ron violently hitting actuator* *Shot pans to his partner screaming "RON!!! RON!!!"*
*Camera pans back to Ron, in the Shrine of le Silver Monkey.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Viper on November 07, 2011, 06:36:37 PM
Should I post a screenshot of the Golden Orbs when Ron's running through it?
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 07, 2011, 06:39:18 PM
Watching the run again, Ron enters the Treasury with around 1:18 left on the clock and he is seen pushing the actuator by the Shrine door, but the door clearly does not open.

Then the camera pans to Kirk and Katherine (Fred) for about five seconds and then the camera pans to Ron running in the shrine. During this time period, you can hear a door opening noise similar to the one in the other three S1L9 runs that featured the Treasury.

However, as Ron exits the temple with the artifact, you can tell none of the orbs were moved at all and none were in a pedestal. During that time period when the camera was on Fred and Kirk, something must've happened in the Treasury that is hard to explain.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 07, 2011, 06:40:16 PM
Should I post a screenshot of the Golden Orbs when Ron's running through it?

Sure, that would be a good idea. I thought there was one posted here at one time, but maybe it got removed.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Viper on November 07, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
It'll take a few minutes.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on November 07, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
Should I post a screenshot of the Golden Orbs when Ron's running through it?

Sure, that would be a good idea. I thought there was one posted here at one time, but maybe it got removed.
That's because the original pictures didn't make the transition when we switched servers. Same thing happened to the "Lol Cat/Epic Fail" pictures in that topic in the Jester's Court.

As far as the Ron completing Orb objective goes, I agree with the theories. Probably some production error or something edited out.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Viper on November 07, 2011, 06:54:46 PM



Hopefully that picture works. Maybe Ron completed the objective, and put the orb back where he got it from? Not the best theory, but a possibility.

Edit by PPF: Fixed picture for you.
Title: Re: Did Ron ever complete the Treasury of the Golden Orbs obj.?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 07, 2011, 10:47:10 PM
Well, it looked like no orbs changed positions at all between the time he entered the room and re-entered it with the Treasure Chest. Although its still a possibility I guess.  ;)