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Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on August 24, 2009, 09:07:43 AM
I agree with Joel from "The Iron Nose Ring" episode. He wasn't that great of a contestant.

Another one is that kid from the "Moccasins of Geronimo". He had a real lucky and easy path through the temple without completing any real objective. He even started putting the Monkey together after he grabbed the Moccasins.  :roll:
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on August 24, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
I dunno, the easy path sort of goes for almost any Season 1 win except on the last day, since they had a few more time-consuming rooms then.

I tend to think Mitchell wasn't that bad since he most likely would've otherwise had to go into the Shrine, meet the second guard, and Emily would've had to put the monkey together and then pass into the Dungeon.  I wonder how much of him going down from the Treasure Room was avoiding the Shrine and a guard he thought was there rather than just opening the centerpiece of the room, but I guess we'll never know.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Asian Legends Fan on August 25, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots Fan""
Paula from "Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy." I cannot believe people call her an "amazing player." Its thanks to her the team got to the temple at the skin of their teeth, and she had the easiest temple layout. Lets give Paula the same artifact path, same artifact location, but in a Season 3 temple. Now how much time would she have left on the clock? :roll:

And I know I've ranted about this too many times, but its just my opinion.


What if the Purple Parrots made it to the temple and got the easy path? Think about that. :roll::P
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on August 25, 2009, 09:46:16 AM
Quote from: ""Asian Legends Fan""
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots Fan""
Paula from "Silver Horseshoe of Butch Cassidy." I cannot believe people call her an "amazing player." Its thanks to her the team got to the temple at the skin of their teeth, and she had the easiest temple layout. Lets give Paula the same artifact path, same artifact location, but in a Season 3 temple. Now how much time would she have left on the clock? :roll:

And I know I've ranted about this too many times, but its just my opinion.

What if the Purple Parrots made it to the temple and got the easy path? Think about that. :roll::P
Then it would have proved the Purple Parrots were actually a stronger team and COULD pull off an easy win. They could have had their first victory MUCH sooner than when they finally won in "Snakeskin Boots." :roll: The Purple Parrots deserved to go to the temple in that episode, they really should have won that third game. They didn't go to the temple very often, even though Season 2 was their only good year. Sure, the Orange Iguanas had a bad lose-win ratio and needed a win too, but they had so many opportunities and just never used them very much. If the Purple Parrots won with the easy path, I would have been happy for them. If they won with 1:20 left on the clock, I would have been happy for them too. I just....find it mind boggling how everyone thinks Paula is this "amazing all star" player. :P
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Notundercovercop327 on August 25, 2009, 11:44:49 AM
Even though I do believe that paula did deserve to go to temple (She touched the ground but she was still holding on the the horse), she still was a very bad player. Something no one seems to point out, Paula was a direct path taker, she tried to take the direct path to the object. I always assumed she tried the throne pit door and it didn't work, but when I saw that she took the heart room pit door I was very disapointed.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on August 25, 2009, 01:39:33 PM
Of course, knowing you, you'd NEVER let that pass. :roll:

I'm not up on the general concensus regarding Tarrah or Jennifer from "The Belly Button of Buddha," but both players were extremely lucky considering they pulled off the only solo wins with two Pendants (the less a team had, the further out of the way the Temple Guards were, right?).  I will admit Jennifer's strategy was clever for a Season 1 player, but neither was that fast or had THE best sense of direction, so yeah.

Then we have Yakerra, who I'm actually going to defend.  I mean, I admit she tried to take the Temple Guard door out at first, but her speed was almost on par with Zac Turney's in terms of getting out (compare her 21 seconds to escape after trying the guard door to Zac's 19 seconds) and she knew exactly what to do in each room.  I personally didn't think she was that bad (I mean, let's see Mitchell or Bobby pull off wins in less than two minutes in Season 3).
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on August 25, 2009, 04:11:08 PM
Direct path dosen't necessarily mean that a contestant is an idiot or overrated. :roll:

I don't think that anyone really called Paula a great player, but I never liked her - and I'm an Orange Iguanas fan. But think PPF, people like Tarrah (yeah, I know, it's weird coming from me...) and Randy weren't that great either. And Randy dosen't have the best exit planning.

This topic doesn't really bode well for discussion...
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on August 25, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Maybe I'd sound more tolerant if I just looked at my favorite team? ^^;

But yeah, I covered the big one with Jennifer from the Belly Button episode.  Jennifer from John Sutter was pretty good, Mitchell might've been a better strategist than we give him credit for, Missy was just checking the Medusa's Lair door in case IMO since she did very well otherwise...

Brett really wasn't that good, though.  I'll give him credit for trying the door up from the Dark Forest and all, but his plans getting out were just as bad as Randy's. (What gets me is why Randy gets all the flack though; nobody seems to mention Brett.)
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on August 25, 2009, 04:42:05 PM
The problem with this topic is that fanboys and fangirls are gonna start flaming other teams - and other people - and defending their own. That's not good.

More on overrated players; I hate to break "my rule", but really many Purple Parrots indeed are overrated IMO. Randy and Tony are just some examples - Tony pulled an Icarus - but also Tarrah like TAW said. I love all the Purple Parrots wins, but they weren't amazing wins.

On the other hand, I defend Shane because he passed through nine rooms. Five of them had considerably harder objectives, and a 10-second elevator ride had to be included as well. He is definitely above the average.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on August 25, 2009, 04:50:49 PM
I can see what you're saying, though.  The Parrots' wins were all done with very few seconds left, so they were more exciting than anything.  I got that same feeling from the Very Tall Turban run the first time I saw it; the tension seemed to build with every room because you kept feeling he was going to get caught.

But yeah, this topic isn't for people who are intolerant, but I like to think we're above flaming one another. ^^; Sorry if I sound like a staff member when I say that...
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 01, 2009, 09:23:58 AM
Why do people here consider contestants like Missy overrated just for trying to take the direct path?  :roll:

Sure, she tried pressing the actuator for the door leading to Medusa's Lair, but she only wasted like five seconds by doing that. Hell, by climbing the wall, she also tried the door to the Observatory, which could've been one of the paths to the artifacts (luckily it wasnt.) She didn't make any stupid mistakes during the rest of the run. She even took the Forest-Shrine passage, which saved her a lot of time. Those center of the temple runs were sure tricky.  :?
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 01, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Seriously, I can't believe Missy can be considered a "bad player" just because she tried the "direct path." Plenty of contestants do that, so why does only Missy get crapped on for it? We should be greatful she even pulled off a victory with an artifact in the center of the room. And what TRJ said, she didn't make a singe other mistake other than that. :roll:

And as far as Silver Horseshoe goes, I'm not too concered about the "direct path" there either. I just hate how it was such an extremely easy win. I guess everyones right about the Purple Parrots too. But at least the Purple Parrots pulled off SOME victories. I find it sad how they only got to the temple 11 times, where as all the other teams only got to the temple like 20 times. So at least they had something. They may not have been exciting wins, but they had something. :?

And yeah, this doesn't really bode well for discussion either. Don't we already have topics similar to this? (Like the "most undeserving" thread).
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 01, 2009, 11:42:30 AM
For the record, I never gave Missy any crap; I agree with RJF and PPF wholeheartedly.

As for Paula, I admit the combination of rooms was pretty easy, but either way, I still kinda like this one as it's the first Orange Iguanas win in the series. (Still, I totally can see that it should've been the first Parrots win instead.)
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 01, 2009, 02:36:50 PM
If the theory on Medusa was a late shipment is correct, maybe the path wouldn't have been so easy. The crew probably sets up the path beforehand and maybe they wanted the team to pass through the four-snake Medusa's Lair. But because it never arrived on the first day of filming, they had to use the Heart Room instead...

Just sayin'. I usually don't think the crew gives such easy wins, especially on the first day.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 01, 2009, 02:58:34 PM
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots Fan""
Seriously, I can't believe Missy can be considered a "bad player" just because she tried the "direct path." Plenty of contestants do that, so why does only Missy get crapped on for it? We should be greatful she even pulled off a victory with an artifact in the center of the room. And what TRJ said, she didn't make a singe other mistake other than that. :roll:

And as far as Silver Horseshoe goes, I'm not too concered about the "direct path" there either. I just hate how it was such an extremely easy win. I guess everyones right about the Purple Parrots too. But at least the Purple Parrots pulled off SOME victories. I find it sad how they only got to the temple 11 times, where as all the other teams only got to the temple like 20 times. So at least they had something. They may not have been exciting wins, but they had something. :?


Exactly, I never short-change a player for taking the direct path to the artifact if they manage to win. Okay, its stupid for people like Leah and Missy to believe that they can get to the artifact by simply pressing the actuator to the room from the pit. But that doesn't mean they were dumb just for trying to take the direct path. Besides, a lot of wins have the players taking the direct path.

The only time I can't stand when a team takes the direct path is in runs like "The Pendant of Kamehameha" or "The Paintbrush of Leonardo Da Vinci". Especially when the team had less than two pendants. In the pendant episode, if Robbie didn't take the direct path, the team wouldn't have encountered a third guard. Or if the Orange Iguanas didn't take the direct path in the paintbrush episodes, they wouldn't have encountered that deadend. Luckily, it was mostly first season runs when this happened.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 01, 2009, 04:31:36 PM
True, but those are both season 1.  I tend to discount it there because it's a new show.  After Season 1, if players watched the show they would've had 38 examples where the direct path didn't work, so it's episodes like "The Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack" where I'm upset over the direct path, but with "The Paintbrush of Leonardo da Vinci" I'm not as much. (Besides, maybe she was supposed to go that way and then climb up from the Swamp. :wink: )
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: nicklegends on September 01, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
Look, the objective of the show is to reach the artifact and bring it out of the temple. I really don't think you can blame any kid for trying the shortest path, even if it doesn't work out. Remember how young these kids are, too... The strategy of not taking the direct route because that would be "what they want you to think" is about two levels above all but what a few players are capable of.

If we ever decided to have a Phantom's Temple get-together and set up our own temple, I'd be sure to make the direct path to the artifact the correct one, just to annoy you. :P
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Long Live Olmec on September 02, 2009, 12:22:50 AM
Quote from: ""The Bamboo Forest""
If the theory on Medusa was a late shipment is correct, maybe the path wouldn't have been so easy. The crew probably sets up the path beforehand and maybe they wanted the team to pass through the four-snake Medusa's Lair. But because it never arrived on the first day of filming, they had to use the Heart Room instead...

Just sayin'. I usually don't think the crew gives such easy wins, especially on the first day.


You know, that actually makes sense. And no, I'm not just supporting TBF because he's my brother. There wasn't much other alternatives to a path for the crew to choose either. IMO, they wouldn't have forced the team down the entire central shaft, and the temple guards thing was due to the path Paula chose to enter the temple.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 02, 2009, 08:55:07 AM
All things considered, this is true.  I mean, the other guards were probably in the Crypt and the Observatory.

Same with Mitchell in "The Moccasins of Geronimo." I still hold that he evaded a Temple Guard by circumventing the Shrine.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 02, 2009, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: ""The Red Jaguars""
The only time I can't stand when a team takes the direct path is in runs like "The Pendant of Kamehameha" or "The Paintbrush of Leonardo Da Vinci". Especially when the team had less than two pendants. In the pendant episode, if Robbie didn't take the direct path, the team wouldn't have encountered a third guard. Or if the Orange Iguanas didn't take the direct path in the paintbrush episodes, they wouldn't have encountered that deadend. Luckily, it was mostly first season runs when this happened.
I agree with that, and IMO, the one time I can't stand a "direct path" is in episodes like "Elizabeth The First's Golden Ship" and "The Electrified Key in Benjamin Franklin," where a team has less than two pendants with an artifact so close by. Those teams outright blew it because of the direct path. I do usually let the "direct path" thing slide in Season 1, since its a new show. But by Seasons 2 and 3, you should know better.

I guess its true about "Silver Horseshoe." I mean, the Orange Iguanas did such an awful job in Season 1 that this was the first time they even REACH an artifact, let alone escape with a victory and bring it out. But like I said earlier on in the thread, the Purple Parrots could have pulled off a victory much sooner. I also agree about "The Moccasins of Geronimo." I mean, sure the layout was way too easy, and sure the kid was slow, but it really does seem like he had the whole layout planned, just to avoid the temple guards. But I do agree with others, that there was NO way he would have pulled off that win in a Season 3 temple.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: nicklegends on September 02, 2009, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots Fan""
I also agree about "The Moccasins of Geronimo." I mean, sure the layout was way too easy, and sure the kid was slow, but it really does seem like he had the whole layout planned, just to avoid the temple guards. But I do agree with others, that there was NO way he would have pulled off that win in a Season 3 temple.

Not to mention you couldn't climb down from the Room of the Ancient Warriors. :lol:
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Purple Parrot on September 02, 2009, 01:40:08 PM
Paula
Shane
Mitchell

And yes I will admit that Tarrah was an extremely lucky contestant, but I love her anyway.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Notundercovercop327 on September 02, 2009, 02:44:58 PM
Tarrah lucky but she wasn't stupid like everyone says she is. She (Broken record) didn't attempt the direct path method plus she knew what to do in every room, an ability most contestants can't say.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Long Live Olmec on September 02, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
Mitchell is probably the most overrated. I find it funny though, that older websites still say that "The Moccasins of Geronimo" was "an excellent solo run". *Cough Cough* :P
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on September 02, 2009, 05:58:18 PM
Quote
Tarrah lucky but she wasn't stupid like everyone says she is. She (Broken record) didn't attempt the direct path method plus she knew what to do in every room, an ability most contestants can't say.


What do you mean most contestants didn't know what to do in every room? A lot of the season two and three wins had players that actually knew what they were doing in the temple, which is what makes those season more enjoyable. In season one, you have a bunch of contestants running backwards and in different directions not knowing what to do in a room. That is what makes most season one episodes frustrating. Sure season two and three had bad runs with clueless contestants like Klarissa from the Enoumous Feather and Claude from the Lost Lion tail, but those were rare episodes.

Don't get me wrong, Tarrah was a solid contestant. The only mistake she made was go into the Room of the Secret Password, which is easy to overlook as it only wasted like five seconds. However, I don't understand how Missy or Leah were bad since they tried to take the direct path to the artifact. I know you have your opinion and you don't have to like Missy, but I just don't understand why people use "the direct path to the artifact" to judge some contestants.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 02, 2009, 06:08:12 PM
And in Lea's case, it was the difference between a solo win and a team loss (though which entrance room she started in really didn't change where she went from the Wall Climb, but the point still stands).
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 02, 2009, 06:10:43 PM
Quote from: ""nicklegends""
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots Fan""
I also agree about "The Moccasins of Geronimo." I mean, sure the layout was way too easy, and sure the kid was slow, but it really does seem like he had the whole layout planned, just to avoid the temple guards. But I do agree with others, that there was NO way he would have pulled off that win in a Season 3 temple.
Not to mention you couldn't climb down from the Room of the Ancient Warriors. :lol:
Yup, that is definately true. :lol:

I agree about Tarrah too. She was pretty lucky, and even with her one wrong turn, she was still a good player.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on September 04, 2009, 01:58:52 AM
Let's see if Missy can do Season 3 with harder rooms, with the same layout.

I mean, the Ledges, the Pit of Despair, the Throne Room and the Swamp were actuator rooms.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 04, 2009, 02:07:16 AM
The Throne Room is more of an objective room, IMO. It's a challenge to get to the center of the room anyhow. There were only two people who did that, anyway, and one required one of the fastest contestants on the show.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Red Jaguars Fan on September 04, 2009, 07:53:25 AM
And how about Tiffani? She was such a slow player, but was lucky the layout was somewhat simple. Plus, she took her time in her Temple Game.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on September 04, 2009, 08:08:50 AM
I admit, she could've been faster since it took her two minutes to clear the six rooms to get to the artifact.  She was good otherwise in the Temple, though.  She knew what she was doing and even got back to the platform in the Pit of the Pendulum.

I admit her performance in the earlier rounds wasn't quite up to par with that, though... The "silver helmet" answer at the Steps wasn't the best and her loss of the first Temple Game, I mean.  Still, I think she was pretty solid in the Temple, and she did manage to pull off a great win in the end.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 04, 2009, 09:50:37 AM
Quote from: ""Red Jaguars Fan""
Let's see if Missy can do Season 3 with harder rooms, with the same layout.
Then lets see if Bobby from "Mask of Shaka Zulu" and Becca and Taylor from "Helmet of Genghis Khan" can pull off their respective wins in a Season 3 temple. Both those teams got a lot of "hit the actuator" rooms as well and there was NO WAY they would pull those off in a Season 3 temple. :roll:
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 04, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
Oh, yeah, Bobby was definitely the worst. :lol:

Personally, if Missy is overrated, then Lacey and Asher should be as well. But since I don't think they are, then Missy isn't overrated, at least to me. I think she's not bad at all, considering the feat she made (which everyone seems to forget about).
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on September 05, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
Oh yeah, Lacey and Asher had it REALLY easy, and I'm surprised nobody mentioned them yet. Also, no one has mentioned Annie and Kevin from "The Ruby Earring of Benzibab" yet, who had it even easier. I agree with TBF, if Missy is supposed to be considered "overrated," then Benzibab and Sforza's team should be as well. But, those were exciting temple runs, so I can't complain too much.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 05, 2009, 03:39:29 PM
Kevin was actually pretty good, that's why they got out in 1:01. I hate to say this, but if he's overrated then Yakerra should be too (is this a sort of pattern? xD) because her layout was even easier. But Bobby is definitely the king of overrated contestants. :lol:
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Notundercovercop327 on September 05, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
We're kind of overdoing it with  this whose overratted. We're almost to a point where everyones overratted. Lets just say every player has their strong points. Mabye we should focus on overatted players who didn't win at temple for a while.
Title: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Bamboo Forest on September 05, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
Heh, my post sounded worse than it did then. :lol:

The problem with this is that people think certain contestants are waaaaaay overrated, then others say that other contestants are more overrated than the first, and the pattern goes on and on and on...lol
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 06, 2012, 02:34:27 AM
Its funny reading through this topic again to see how contestants like Mitchell and Paula were considered overrated two years ago. I agree with this sentiment still and I think most people agree now that neither one of them is that great. So I don't really consider either one of them overrated now that they have been exposed.

I have noticed both in this thread and in the past that people considered Tarrah from "The Milk Bucket of Freydis" overrated. I disagree though about Tarrah being overrated. We all know that she was slow in the temple, but she did a good job taking account on all what she went through in the run. She was smart enough to take the Shrine shortcut and didn't take the direct path once. And after she slammed her face in the Rope Swing, she STILL managed to bring the Milk Bucket out of the temple. And that face smash wasn't some little scratch either.

And one team I never understood all the love for was "The Ruby Earring of Benzibab" kids. I mean while having over a minute left on the clock is impressive for a team run, the layout was just way too simple for a season three layout. The only hard objectives they had to complete was the Tomb and the Jester's Court. They didn't have to bother with the Dark Forest and only had to climb the slide in the Quicksand Bog. I guess the producers felt cherishable during the last production day of the shpw. But still, neither contestant really impressed me.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 06, 2012, 02:59:00 AM
Yeah, I always thought the Silver Snakes from "Benzibab" got a little too much credit. I mean, I get that it's almost like the "Bandit Queen" and "Metal Beard" path, but all they had to do for objectives were the Tomb and the Jesters' Court. Sure they were fast, but it was only a win because the producers felt charitable on the final filming day.

Also, I always considered Shane from "Tall Turban" overrated. Good effort by Shane, but his layout was way too easy. The temple guard placement was basically giving the team a win. He was average skilled, average paced, and he hesitated quite a bit in some rooms. Imagine if there was a temple guard in the King's Storeroom. And ended the same way the "Leopard Skin Cloak" temple run ended. You could say the same thing about "Freydis" and "Annie Taylor," but at least they took shortcuts. But Shane, (and Chandra for that matter) did not. It's not to say Shane was a terrible player. But I never got how this was "an amazing, ground breaking temple run."

Still find Paula and Mitchell overrated. Since there are actually people who like both (or one of) the victories.

EDIT: And great find bumping this topic up, TRJ. I knew we posted in this before the database crash. Might as well get it started back up again, since this is interesting discussion. We can all participate in this discussion, since I doubt it's gonna get as heated as people say it might. ;)
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 06, 2012, 02:57:52 PM
Yeah, I remember we were discussing whether Jennifer from "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" was overrated or not before the database crashed. I don't think she was overrated one bit though. She pulled her weight nicely during the run and I don't remember her being clueless one bit either. I guess she sort of struggled in the Shrine, but many good contestants struggled in the Shrine.

I still don't see how people back then considered Missy overrated just because she tried beelining for the direct path. She only wasted what, nine seconds trying to push the actuator? She also tried the Observatory actuator also and it was possible that this team would've been forced to enter Medusa's Lair from the bottom floor. Luckily that didn't happen. But the whole direct path thing alone is a silly argument used to call her overrated.

And of course, Mitchell and Paula are still considered the king and queen of overrated players respectively. I can't believe I thought "The Moccasins of Geronimo" to be a good win at one time. I guess that was because the Treasure Chest actually worked for Mitchell. But looking back now, Mitchell got lucky that the Treasure Chest worked in his run. How many teams got screwed over in other runs when the Treasure Chest didn't work? I don't see him as a strategist at all, rather he just opened the Treasure Chest because that is the first thing most contestants do when they get into that room.

And I never liked Paula's win at all. She didn't do anything hard at all in her run. The biggest objective that she had to do was ride a Mine Shaft elevator, and that was not really an objective. Other than that, all her rooms were simple objectives and didn't have to face any of the challenging rooms in that layout.  And people try to compare Paula to Missy. :roll:
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 06, 2012, 04:49:59 PM
Exactly, just because Jennifer "wasn't as fast" or "had an easy layout" doesn't make her a bad player. This was one of the earliest runs of the show, where everything was still being tested out. And obviously things needed to be smoothed over. Go back and watch the other three runs on that filming day, and then watch John Sutter. You're gonna be grateful we even HAD a contestant who even remotely knew what they were doing.

Definitely agree about Missy. It's stupid to look down at a contestant just because "she took a direct path." Plenty of people have done that same thing, yet they don't get any complaints. Missy was a great player, and her emotional personality added on to what a great win this was. I love Lucky Pillow, one of my favorite episodes ever.

And I also never understood why people could chastise Missy for one small mistake, yet Paula gets nothing but praise just because "she looked like she was fast." Just because a player moves fast, doesn't make them amazing contestants. This is a pattern I've noticed. Most people seem to think "you're only a good player if you move fast." Or, "you have to move like Jarrid and Gator or it's a bad, undeserving win." You have to look at the quality of the win. It's more than just being fast, even the slower runners like Tarrah and Tiffani did just fine with the layout they were given.

And no comment about Mitchell either. I used to think highly of the win too way back when. But definitely not anymore, he was definitely lucky with the treasure chest. Not much else to say there other than I agree with you on that.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 06, 2012, 05:50:22 PM
You pretty much said what I was about to say. People always say "Well, let's see if Missy can win in a season three layout" or "David was just an average player when you compare him to players like Jarrid and Gator". First off, I don't see how anyone can compare a season one run to a season three run. Sure, David followed Candace's footsteps in the temple, but did he really know any better? Many season one contestants didn't know that they could avoid useless detours because they were not familiar on how the temple worked. I am sure if David was in Gator's or Jarrid's shoes, he wouldn't have made that mistake.

Same thing with Leah from "The Star of Sultan Saladin". Yes, she tried a little too hard when trying to beeline for the direct path. But that shouldn't take away on how fast she was in the temple and she even tried all the available shortcuts also. And on top of that, she avoided a temple guard in the Cave of Sighs that would've made a difference between a solo victory and a possible loss.

And I am glad you mentioned Tiffani, because I was just about to bring her up. We all know that she was slow in the temple, but she made up for it by pulling herself back onto the platform and using shortcuts. She was lucky to not encounter any temple guards? Maybe because she actually used a shortcut and avoided two potential guards. Plus, that was one big ass helmet and she still brought it out of the temple. So I don't really complain about her speed and exit plan. "Sir Gawain" is not my favorite win at all, but Tiffani did a solid job and she earned that win.

I mean Zac, Jarrid, Jessica, and Gator were some of the best contestants on the show. But other contestants have their own redeeming values also and just because they weren't as fast as these contestants, didn't mean that they were overrated. Once again, I am glad that you brought up this point PPF, since people tend to act some contestants like David, Jennifer, and Missy were not great because they didn't have to face a temple as hard as these contestants did.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 06, 2012, 06:39:33 PM
Plus, how is it a contradiction to like "John Sutter," but say next to nothing about "The Trojan Horseshoe" victory? Just because it was the same layout doesn't mean we have to have the same opinions on it. Some victories were noteworthy and legendary in their own ways. Some victories were amazing, where a team really worked for it. But some victories were just plain average and basically lucked into their layout. We're gonna feel a certain way about whatever runs we like. One run will get praised, but one won't. Whether it be fast players or just an overall exciting feel to the temple run. Just about every run is different, so thus some deserve more credit for others.

For example, what's wrong with liking "Lucky Pillow" and "Freydis," but dislike "Tall Turban?" Sure, it would have been a shame if Missy and Tarrah ran into a temple guard one room away. But unlike Shane, those aforementioned contestants TOOK shortcuts. If their layouts were THAT easy, then they made it easier for themselves. Not to mention, those runs had a very exciting feel to it. Where, the contestant is so young and nervous, yet does the whole thing themselves. With "Tall Turban" however, I honestly forget it's even a victory half the time. Job well done by Shane sure, but it was just plain average. Nothing really stuck out other than the fact he entered almost every room. Again, runs are gonna be praised for different reasons. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not gonna feel the same way about two runs just because it has every detail in common.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 07, 2012, 01:14:15 AM
Yeah, I will take "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" anyday over "The Trojan Horseshoe". Just because a win shares a layout similar to another win doesn't mean they are identical. If the best win was dictated by how hard of a layout a team faced alone, then we might as well call every season three win the best win on the show. But I look beyond temple layouts when trying to judge a win. I like "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" because the Blue Barracudas were a fun team to watch in the temple. Both moved fast and Jennifer covering all those rooms was a great effort on her part. I also like all the Kirk Fogg-ups during the run and her slip in the end just adds to the memorableness of this in. Meanwhile, "The Trojan Horseshoe" wasn't that exciting. Lucretia moved kind of sluggish and was walking through her rooms, and her partner Shawn was good, but didn't really stick out. Its a nice win, but there is really nothing exciting happening once during the run.

I honestly don't think "The Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain" is that exciting of a run. However, the team was one of the best on the show, so I can acknowledge at least that it was one of the best wins on the show when it comes to an effort by the players. But I don't really get too excited watching the run again like I do for other wins like "Map to the Lost Gold Mine", "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress", "Annie Taylor", "Catherine the Great", and "Apanuugpak".
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on June 07, 2012, 01:28:54 AM
Well, I like "The Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain" and find it very exciting. I can never dislike that run even if I tried. Jessica and Jarrid owned everything on such a hard layout. Scaling the whole central shaft is never an easy feature, especially in Season 3. The rest of the episode may not stand out, but it was still a solid run. Too bad those kind of players were rare.

Also, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Joel as of the most recent posts. Sure, he moved fast, but his layout was pretty easy too.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Silver Monkey on June 07, 2012, 01:33:22 AM
Well, I like "The Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain" and find it very exciting. I can never dislike that run even if I tried. Jessica and Jarrid owned everything on such a hard layout. Scaling the whole central shaft is never an easy feature, especially in Season 3. The rest of the episode may not stand out, but it was still a solid run. Too bad those kind of players were rare.

And they had a production error to deal with, too!
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on June 07, 2012, 12:41:45 PM
Believe me, I love the the "Pirate Captain" run a lot. Jarrid and Jessica were no doubt one of the best teams to enter the temple. The central shaft in season three was brutal, yet both of them looked like there was nothing to it. Its amazing that we never really saw many teams like these two. This run proved no matter how hard the layout was, teams could still pull off a win if they were attentive, fast, and smart.

And that is why I don't really call Lacey and Asher overrated anymore. Sure, their temple layout was simple, but they still had to face some of the hardest rooms of the temple and still managed to win. Its definitely not my favorite win, but those two did a good job.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 02, 2012, 04:46:28 PM
After reading through several comments on this forum and on Youtube, I want to throw Bobby from "The Mask of Shaka Zulu" out there as being overrated also. I mean I know we have dissed the "Shaka Zulu" win many times, but people praise Bobby for traveling through the Wheel Room and Holes of Python en route to the Tomb of the Ancient Kings. I mean I know both of these rooms were time consuming, but I don't think he was THAT amazing. I mean it took him a long time to get back to the temple gate from the Tomb of the Ancient Kings, which was 40+ seconds. David from "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress" traveled the same route as Bobby, and it only took him around 28 seconds. Yet, people try to rank Bobby's temple performance better than Jennifer from "Map to the Lost Gold Mine" and Leah from "The Star of Sultan Saladin". Let's be honest, if Bobby was forced to take the long way, there is no way he would have over a minute left on the clock. He did fine I guess, but he just wasn't that great.  :roll:
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on July 02, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
Oh people on YouTube are the worst for it. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there's some YouTube video of Bobby's temple run, and called (wait for it).... "The Best Temple Run Ever." And reading through some of those comments, people try to justify that reasoning with "he got a lucky path, so that automatically makes him amazing." So by that logic, he's deemed "an amazing player" by default just because his win was caused by dumb luck? I mean, I know everyone's entitled to their own opinions and everything. But I just don't understand that sort of reasoning.
Title: Re: Overrated Contestants?
Post by: The Red Jaguars on July 02, 2012, 09:09:01 PM
Oh people on YouTube are the worst for it. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there's some YouTube video of Bobby's temple run, and called (wait for it).... "The Best Temple Run Ever." And reading through some of those comments, people try to justify that reasoning with "he got a lucky path, so that automatically makes him amazing." So by that logic, he's deemed "an amazing player" by default just because his win was caused by dumb luck? I mean, I know everyone's entitled to their own opinions and everything. But I just don't understand that sort of reasoning.

Personally, I never found that win to be amazing at all even after watching it for the first time. I mean its cool to watch to see a potential production error and the fastest win on the show, but its not exciting at all. I don't see how it takes him half of the run to run through four rooms and back to score a win. Either way, its my second to least favorite win on the show after " :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:". Its just like "Butch Cassidy" and "Geronimo", I never saw those episodes as good wins.