Phantom's Temple

The Swamp => The Dark Forest => Topic started by: PhantomBPR on March 17, 2008, 05:24:31 PM

Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on March 17, 2008, 05:24:31 PM
It's obvious that Nick has long since jumped the shark, but the question is, when?
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on March 17, 2008, 06:07:28 PM
I have to admit that I do like Spongebob, but only the episodes before the movie was made.  The episodes they're making now are dumb.  This is just my opinion but I think Nickelodeon jumped the shark when they showed the Oddparents because I think it just opened the door to let more poor quality shows to be aired on Nick.  I think it said, if this show is on, so can pretty much every show too.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots Fan on March 17, 2008, 06:09:21 PM
The Spongebob hype, although I do agree with PPR on everything he just said.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: nicklegends on March 17, 2008, 07:03:18 PM
Nah, Nickelodeon really died a while back when they added all those characters to Rugrats and ordered way too many new episodes of the show. Everybody was bored to death when they had to run through them all.

Spongebob earns all the hype it has, to be totally honest. It's a great show, although each new episode they make is worse than the prior because the humor gets progressively more forced.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Notundercovercop327 on March 18, 2008, 06:34:44 AM
Fairly oddparents is such a sucky show. Its the most repetitive formula in the history of tv. Timmy wishes for something stupid, The wish goes awry, he unwishes the wish and now were back where we started. How could someone that stupid get wish granting parental units? The shows just stupid and NEEDS to be cancled.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Scorcher27 on March 18, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
I think Nickelodeon relies on SpongeBob and Fairly OddParents too much. The only way the network can reclaim its former glory is to bring back their ever increasing library of older programming.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Turbo Barracuda on March 18, 2008, 04:45:40 PM
That spongish thing.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: nicklegends on March 18, 2008, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: ""Scorcher27""
I think Nickelodeon relies on SpongeBob and Fairly OddParents too much. The only way the network can reclaim its former glory is to bring back their ever increasing library of older programming.


I don't think the older shows would work anymore. Nick's desperately trying to find a new hit show to replace Spongebob and OddParents because it's aware of their ultimately limited lifespans. Just what will fill the role will be interesting to see.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: impmon on March 19, 2008, 12:08:14 PM
I dont know how long ago it was, but probably somewhere between "fairly odd parents" and "all grown up."

Spongebob is a good show, at least in comparasion to oddparents. I dont think i ever liked that show. im just waiting to see how long it will take before they run out of ideas for that show.

Like nicklegends said, it would be interesting to see what replaces them when they end/get cancelled.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on March 19, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
I think for a new show idea, they should bring back the game shows.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on March 19, 2008, 04:41:47 PM
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots rock!""
I think for a new show idea, they should bring back the game shows.


Game shows don't bring in much revenue. With shows like Spongebob, they can mass produce an action figure of a single character and then go back and paint the character's shirt different just like it was in your favorite episode, then put out a new version of it and make more money.

Just look at all the useless DVD's they come out with, Nickelodeon takes advantage of children who couldn't care less about a season plot line and are satisfied with random episodes loaded onto a DVD.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Medusa on March 26, 2008, 05:39:35 AM
Spongebob is ok in my book. I do like some of the early episodes but the new ones are just eh not good. The death of Nick came around the cancellation of CatDog (which I think is the last show that I call a NickToon, that was good.) and Rugrats got the movie made. The movie was good (not the second one), but the episodes after the movie fell off the charts in comparison to the older ones in how bad they were.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: geniusonwheels on March 26, 2008, 05:12:06 PM
Nick has jumped the shark, but I wouldn't just blame it on one thing.

Nickeloden has a reputation on cartoons, not just "real people" shows.

Nickeloden now just produces 3 cartoons, Spongebob, OddParents, and Avatar.

Of these 3, just 1 has a plot.

Spongebob is, sadly, getting old fast.  While it is tough to compare to the Simpsons, if Spongebob could get out of a slump, they could really pick things up, and even be competition.

OddParents, I expect, will stop after 2 maybe 3 years.
They have jumped the shark very recently by adding a new character to the lineup.  This is never good for keeping a show good.

Nick has experimented with other cartoons in the past few years, including Jimmy Neutron, Catscratch, and Danny Phantom; and has a few cartoons where we are not sure if they are still being made or not, like Barnyard, Tak, El Tigre, and whatnot.

Spongebob and OddParents seem to be dying out, but Avatar seems to have a nice hold.

Avatar has classic animation, but it does have a plot.  Plots are good for keeping people on a channel.  I'm pretty sure that Avatar is the only show on Nickeloden that has a plot.  On the other shows, it helps to have watch previous episodes, but you can just watch episodes out of order.

Imagine watching a random episode of LOST.  And you have never seen an episode before.  You just can't do it.

Avatar has been a really good show, and I love it, but it has a limited number of seasons, 4.  So, in 2 years, things might be really bad for Nick.

Nick is going to have to create a TV show that can stand the test of time, won't have to create new characters, and people will watch it.

Nick also needs to have some good "real people" shows.  It needs to have a show as funny as Drake & Josh, but where the main characters don't get pregnant (if you know what I mean  :wink: )


If Nick doesn't do something really productive really soon, I can imagine another buy-in, like Nick GaS.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on March 27, 2008, 02:34:38 PM
That would be weird if they did just show a random episode of LOST.  I hate it that its not going to show new episodes in five weeks.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: geniusonwheels on March 27, 2008, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots rock!""
That would be weird if they did just show a random episode of LOST.  I hate it that its not going to show new episodes in five weeks.


No, I mean that you were just browsing on TV, and you found a channel where they were showing LOST episodes, not on Nick.

You have to be a LOST fan to understand what is happening, and even if you are a fan, you still don't understand everything.

I didn't mean that LOST will come on Nick.  Phhh... That is almost a joke.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: silverMarker on March 27, 2008, 06:34:14 PM
When did Nickelodeon jump the shark? Simple. When they ended the good old shows and seemed to lose the ability to come up with good new shows to replace them.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on March 27, 2008, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: ""geniusonwheels""
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots rock!""
That would be weird if they did just show a random episode of LOST.  I hate it that its not going to show new episodes in five weeks.

No, I mean that you were just browsing on TV, and you found a channel where they were showing LOST episodes, not on Nick.

You have to be a LOST fan to understand what is happening, and even if you are a fan, you still don't understand everything.

I didn't mean that LOST will come on Nick.  Phhh... That is almost a joke.


What the heck are you talking about?  Sorry if I wasn't that clear on the subject, but I definitely wasn't talking about LOST being on Nick.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: geniusonwheels on March 28, 2008, 03:21:49 AM
Oh, sorry.  I thought the "they"  you put in that sentence meant Nick.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on March 28, 2008, 03:41:48 PM
Sorry for getting mad at you man.  I should've worded that better.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PAK Man on April 14, 2008, 08:09:27 PM
For me, Nickelodeon jumped around 1999. That's when they started cancelling all the old shows that made the network popular. That also happened to be around the same time (as Nicklegends mentioned) that Rugrats began adding all those pointless characters and (as I saw it) correcting all the problems and making it a "perfect" show. Don't believe me? Take a look; they gave Tommy a brother, which he didn't have; Chuckie a sister and a mother, both of which he was lacking (although he did have a mother at one point, who passed away); Grandpa Lou got married to a woman played by Debbie Reynolds, who I don't believe ever really appeared, thereby giving Tommy and Dil two sets of grandparents; and Angelica got an "assistant" in Harold, which I guess was the best they could give her in regards to a younger sibling (I can't really see Drew and Charlotte having another kid).

Then you started getting these really stupid Nicktoons about that time as well. SpongeBob and Invader ZIM were great, and Rocket Power was okay, but pretty much all the others were terrible. The ones that weren't (like Jimmy Neutron) suffered from rerun abuse and became bad really quickly. It was also around this time that their movies started getting really bad. Clockstoppers had probably the dumbest premise for any movie I've heard of, and I would love to know who thought it would be a great idea to have a crossover with The Wild Thornberrys and the Rugrats.

In recent years, I think Nick has tried to lure older kids back to the network with TEENick (or as I used to call it, Teen Ick.), Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide, Unfabulous and that show with what's-her-name's sister (I don't even care anymore). Sadly, it's started to fail miserably. Even their good shows (Kappa Mikey for example) have become really bad in regards to new episodes.

I think Nickelodeon should try releasing a show with humor geared towards older people (like the old episodes of Rugrats. One episode made reference to Clarence Thomas, and another Saddam Hussein.) I think when it's written for older people, the humor becomes better for the younger crowd as well, although they won't understand it until they're older.

Just my two cents.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on April 15, 2008, 06:43:49 PM
Quote
I think Nickelodeon should try releasing a show with humor geared towards older people (like the old episodes of Rugrats. One episode made reference to Clarence Thomas, and another Saddam Hussein.) Just my two cents.


There was a Saddam reference? I undoubtedly never picked up on that one.

Fixed by Nicklegends for proper formatting
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PAK Man on April 20, 2008, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
There was a Saddam reference? I undoubtedly never picked up on that one.


Yep. In the episode "Tommy and the Secret Club," Angelica was mad at Tommy because he gave the secret code to Chuckie to get in. She told him, "If you do that, then just anybody can walk in here; Count Draculator, Sadman Husseini, or even Chuckie!"

I never realized what she was saying until a couple years ago when I caught a rerun on Nicktoons Network. There was also one episode where Angelica's father received a package from a "pathetic, groveling employee," which is making me laugh even as I'm typing this.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on May 01, 2008, 08:49:35 PM
HOLD ON THERE PARD-NER!!! I'd like to know when was the reference to Clarence Thomas made? I CAN'T remember!!!
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: snick54 on May 08, 2008, 08:19:37 AM
The TEENick hype AND the fairly oddparents hype if you ask me. SpongeBob is the only good show on Nick now. Ned's Declassified however was also a good show and an exception to the suckiness of TEENick, sadly it's now canceled and hardly even on Nick anymore. As for FOP, like someone said, it has THE most repetitive formula ever thought of, and I just don't know how that monotonous cycle continues to get ratings. It really should just end right here and right now. Nick will find a way to get along without it, they did during that year-long hiatus period, they can do so again for the rest of their existance.

I also liked Jimmy Neutron, but that started kinda sucking by the third season.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on May 08, 2008, 02:17:45 PM
What if Nick can't make any good shows anymore and start to like lose almost all of their viewers?  Would Nick be gone?
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on May 08, 2008, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots rock!""
What if Nick can't make any good shows anymore and start to like lose almost all of their viewers?  Would Nick be gone?


Good question. Nick has definately established itself as a powerful television network, raking in large revenues each year.

The secret Nickelodeon has is an evil one. Betray your viewers as they grow older. Always target the new generation audience. No matter what shit they play, kids will want to watch it, and as they grow up, it will become their Legends of the hidden temple, it will have meaning to them, and Nick will continue to get viewers.

The problem is, Legends was actually a good show, I don't see anything good coming from Nick anytime soon. When the final season of Avatar is completed, I doubt there will be anything at all from Nickelodeon worth watching.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Purple Parrots rock! on May 09, 2008, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots rock!""
What if Nick can't make any good shows anymore and start to like lose almost all of their viewers?  Would Nick be gone?

Good question. Nick has definately established itself as a powerful television network, raking in large revenues each year.

The secret Nickelodeon has is an evil one. Betray your viewers as they grow older. Always target the new generation audience. No matter what shit they play, kids will want to watch it, and as they grow up, it will become their Legends of the hidden temple, it will have meaning to them, and Nick will continue to get viewers.

The problem is, Legends was actually a good show, I don't see anything good coming from Nick anytime soon. When the final season of Avatar is completed, I doubt there will be anything at all from Nickelodeon worth watching.


That's terrible that kids that are watching this crap will be thinking that this is their Legends of the Hidden Temple when they don't even know about all of the good stuff they're missing.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: snick54 on July 15, 2008, 07:05:04 PM
Just when I thought Nick couldn't get any worse, they come out with this AWFUL new show "The Mighty B". I watched the first episode and it was the worst piece of crap I had ever seen in my life, to be frank. Unoriginal, unfunny, hideous looking animation, etc. etc.  It was absolute GARBAGE and I wish I didn't take the 30 minutes out of my life to watch it. Nick will just hire anyone to make a cartoon now. It's sad what has become of the network.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on July 19, 2008, 11:22:22 PM
Quote from: ""PhantomBPR""
Quote from: ""Purple Parrots rock!""
What if Nick can't make any good shows anymore and start to like lose almost all of their viewers?  Would Nick be gone?

Good question. Nick has definately established itself as a powerful television network, raking in large revenues each year.

The secret Nickelodeon has is an evil one. Betray your viewers as they grow older. Always target the new generation audience. No matter what shit they play, kids will want to watch it, and as they grow up, it will become their Legends of the hidden temple, it will have meaning to them, and Nick will continue to get viewers.

The problem is, Legends was actually a good show, I don't see anything good coming from Nick anytime soon. When the final season of Avatar is completed, I doubt there will be anything at all from Nickelodeon worth watching.


Fuck, I remember writing that. Well, with the series finale of Avatar having aired tonight, I don't think I have much use left for Nick besides whatever sad attempt to bring GUTS back Nick@Nite is shooting for.

All through Sozin's comet, I kept seeing commercials for some Fairly Oddparents olympics movie, iCarly double episodes, and more and more of George Lopez.

I hung my head in shame.

Goodnight Nickelodeon, it's over.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: The Mandarin Hand on July 25, 2008, 10:14:10 AM
Slime Time Live ruined Nickelodeon.

Viacom tried to push what worked so well on MTV on its other networks, like BET (106 & Park) and Nick (STL).  Since Slime Time Live ultimately DIDN'T work, they rebounded too far in the other direction: no live a
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on July 25, 2008, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: ""Renegade Pancake""
Slime Time Live ruined Nickelodeon.

Viacom tried to push what worked so well on MTV on its other networks, like BET (106 & Park) and Nick (STL).  Since Slime Time Live ultimately DIDN'T work, they rebounded too far in the other direction: no live a


That was around the same time they were running music videos every afternoon on Nick.

Now that I think about it, they were trying to transform it into a kid's MTV.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: silvermonkeypieces on July 25, 2008, 11:35:50 AM
Teenick shows are mostly irritating. The only ones I can watch are iCarly and Drake and Josh. The other ones suck. Seriously. I mean, The Naked Brothers Band (horrible name, by the way) can't even sing, and I think I got bored to death watching Just Jordan. I'm glad they canceled Zoey 101 and Unfablulous, those were the worst.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: mikeofnash on July 26, 2008, 12:31:30 PM
Nick, has for me, sunk greatly the past few years. Too many shows rely on toilet humor for the purpose of being funny. It's just lazy, and it's counterproductive. I do agree that SpongeBob has tumbled downhill since the movie. Patrick has gotten stupider, Mr. Krabs is an even cheaper tightwad, and Squidward's an even bigger asshole. FOP fell apart, IMO, when they started overdoing the potty humor around season three. IMO, the appearance of Baby Poof was another reason for it. I don't even bother watching anymore.

The Naked Brothers Band? Please! Alex is a way better singer than Nat, but even he isn't that much of a vocal jewel. And the songs suck.

Drake and Josh went downhill because they made Megan out to be a total bitch. They ruined that character, made her absolutely unsympathetic.

There are some bright spots, though. Back at the Barnyard is pretty funny sometimes. No potty humor, either. I hope that continues. Yes, it has been renewed for a second season. I saw the movie version the show was spun off from the other day, and even though I think the talking animals genre has been bloodied from all the times Hollywood execs have beaten it, the movie was pretty good.

iCarly can be downright hilarious sometimes. I think Carly's probably the worst of the four main characters, but she has her moments. Spencer is without question the best character, great wit when he doesn't think about it. Sam is funny, too. A sharp tongue to torture Freddie.

I'll probably get laughed at for this, but I've also grown to like H2O, that series imported from Australia about those three teenage girls who turn into mermaids within ten seconds of touching water. The girls are actually good actresses, rare in a teen drama. And it can be funny, too. If the girls end up seeing a full moon, weird things happen to them. Once, one of them got a beautiful singing voice for twelve hours, and turned into a siren. Soon, every teenage boy on the Gold Coast was on her front lawn. It was hilarious watching her dad trying to make them leave.

I think Nick at Nite's finished with, too. I don't think George Lopez is a classic show in terms of how Nick at Nite used to be, but hey, I guess when they added TV Land in 1996, they figured they'd dump all the really old shows (the real classics) off on it.

Oh, I miss Ned's, too. And Legends, of course.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: PhantomBPR on July 26, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
Personally, I can't stand Barnyard, I think it's a shining example of the horror that Nick has become. I'll admit it has a few funny moments, but the problem is, it tries too hard.

As much as I hate to admit it, iCarly can be entertaining, it isn't AS BAD as other shows.

These days, people say that by the time Fonzy jumped the shark on Happy Days, it was obvious that the series had already done so a few episodes back. I think Baby Poof's appearence is an example of just that. Odd Parents screwed up a few TV Movies back.

I'm still pissed off at the way they ended Avatar. It had so much potential, it really could have saved Nick's ass, but they didn't tap into it.

Watching the series finale, you could tell they had given up and were just trying to tie up all the plot holes so they could end the show.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: The Dark Enforcer on July 29, 2008, 03:40:03 PM
Personally, the ONLY show that I watch on Nick IS iCarly, because of the overall craziness of the show. The show is SO totally of the wall that is droll, boring nick, that it works for me.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Medusa on July 30, 2008, 01:36:13 PM
Nick may be bringing back one of their better recent shows, as Ned's may be returning in 2009 according to Devon Workheiser (Ned) as a Ned's Declassifed High School Survival Guide as he "has signed a development contract with Nickelodeon that he has signed a development contract with Nickelodeon" according to his blog.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: nicklegends on July 30, 2008, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: ""Medusa""
Nick may be bringing back one of their better recent shows, as Ned's may be returning in 2009 according to Devon Workheiser (Ned) as a Ned's Declassifed High School Survival Guide as he "has signed a development contract with Nickelodeon that he has signed a development contract with Nickelodeon" according to his blog.

It'd be tough to pull off the middle school sixth-grader thing again, but I could see him starring in a different show.
Title: When did Nickelodeon Jump the shark?
Post by: Medusa on July 31, 2008, 05:08:02 AM
Quote from: ""nicklegends""
Quote from: ""Medusa""
Nick may be bringing back one of their better recent shows, as Ned's may be returning in 2009 according to Devon Workheiser (Ned) as a Ned's Declassifed High School Survival Guide as he "has signed a development contract with Nickelodeon that he has signed a development contract with Nickelodeon" according to his blog.
It'd be tough to pull off the middle school sixth-grader thing again, but I could see him starring in a different show.


Yeah, but since it would revolve around High School, I think they could pull it off.