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Title: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on October 10, 2012, 04:40:15 PM
I have a feeling this will be a close election.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on October 10, 2012, 11:04:44 PM
Well, I guess it was only a matter of time before a real political topic came up on the forum.  Just a quick forewarning for posters to try to discuss things in a civil manner without resorting to flaming, because politics really tends to be a very delicate topic. :)




That said, I do agree that this could be a very close one.  Or at least that's what I'd guess judging by the 129834712 e-mails I've gotten from various websites about the campaign funding, which seems to matter even more than ever in this election.  As a side note from the main topic, I really hope campaign spending and this amount of emphasis on money in politics is something that can be cut back on, hopefully by overturning that disastrous Citizens United ruling...

Back to the main question, I do stand by Obama here.  My family hasn't been directly affected by most of the economic policies, and my parents might have lost faith in Obama because they don't notice any difference, but I think there's a bit of evidence that we have been crawling out of the depression ever so slowly since 2009.  Considering the state the country was in in 2008 and thinking that how much has improved since then, I'm willing to put faith in him for four more years, you know?
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: Toltendo on October 11, 2012, 01:59:52 AM
Well to add on to the discussion of how we are affected by government, I think local and state, especially local really affects where we live and what goes on. I think California is a really good example of how a state is affected by its own policies. Gay marriage, cigarette tax, high-speed rail, GE food labels, redistricting, raising taxes making 250K, etc.

But yeah, my mom and I have sort of been affected by what the federal level has been doing: keeping college loans at 3.4%, pell grants, healthcare reform to name a few.

I really don't think less money will be spent thanks to the United Citizens decision, I mean SuperPAC seem like a total joke in terms of funneling in money for political campaigns. A well-known political satirist has his own SuperPAC and that's funny and sad at the same time.

As for voting for President, I'm definitely not voting Romney, but I'm not sure for Obama. Do I vote for him to keep the status quo for another 4 years or do I vote cause I like what he's doing so far?
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 03, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
To vote or not to vote. What a tough question to answer. :roll:
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 03, 2012, 08:55:25 PM
There is a good website you guys should check out, it's called 270 to Win (http://www.270towin.com/)

There is a make your own electoral map where you can choose the battleground states to see what happens. There is also a simulation where it guesses what the outcome will be, I did 100 of these, Obama won a majority of those.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on November 03, 2012, 11:02:36 PM
I think the easy answer is "to vote," PP319.  I know there's the whole scare of voter suppression, but the most common way that voter suppression really happens is by scaring people out of voting.  I think the only reason a person shouldn't vote is if they really can't make up their mind on who they hate more.  Even if you don't like either candidate, the best thing you can do is vote for the lesser of the two evils so there's one less chance that the opposition can take the helm.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on November 06, 2012, 04:49:44 AM
Cracked set out to dispel a few ongoing myths about how elections are bad/pointless. (http://www.cracked.com/article_20134_8-election-myths-you-probably-believe.html) If there's anyone here who's still considering not voting tomorrow, I know it's short notice, but it'll be worth reading, trust me. ;)
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 06, 2012, 08:49:57 PM
MSN's website has this neat feature where you can track how each candidate is doing in every state. Right now, it's not looking good for Obama.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 06, 2012, 08:55:23 PM
Funny you should say that, I've been using it all election.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on November 06, 2012, 09:01:15 PM
I'm guessing this will come down to whoever can claim the bigger states.  Texas is most likely going to go red, but I'm not sure about the track records for Californian or Floridian voters.

Looking at some of Wikimedia's older election maps, I'm surprised at how one-sided a lot of them were.  It makes it a little tough for me to predict where certain states may be leaning.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 06, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
Looking at it now, Obama would hit it big with states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and..........Ohio. Of course, Romney's doing well too.

Plus, we've still got California to keep an eye out for. That could be huge for whoever wins that state.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on November 06, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
Plus things could end up changing quite a bit.  If I'm looking at the same map (which I think is this? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/#.UJnDrqCoaSp)), then keep in mind that votes are ongoing in most of the colored-in states.  NBC is only projecting a winner ahead of time unless it says that all the votes are in, so some could be subject to change.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Silver Monkey on November 06, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
Wow, Florida's a dead heat. Could be Bush vs. Gore all over again.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 06, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
Wow, Florida's a dead heat. Could be Bush vs. Gore all over again.

If that is so, could you imagine all the Riots if Romney had the most votes but Obama won in Electoral Votes, it would be 2000 all over again  :roll:
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Red Jaguars on November 06, 2012, 11:25:10 PM
And it looks like victory goes to Obama.  :mrteal:
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 06, 2012, 11:25:54 PM
It is projected that Obama has won Ohio by nearly 20,000 votes. Think about it, that's not a lot. Looks like my vote did matter (I'm still hoping it counted btw). I went with Obama.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 06, 2012, 11:33:05 PM
Now it's less than 1,000 votes. Holy crap! :o
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on November 07, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
Only emphasizes just how important it is for everyone to exercise their right to vote in this country.  Enough people who would've voted for the same guy, but all thought their votes wouldn't matter, and an entire district or state can swing the other way, so never pass on that opportunity. :)


At any rate, this made my night.  So glad Obama won, because I don't even want to think about what I might've done if it went to Romney instead.
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: GreenMonkeys#1 on November 10, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
Obama has won Florida, this election is now over

Obama 332, Romney 206
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: PurpleParrot319 on November 10, 2012, 12:57:58 PM
Obama has won Florida, this election is now over

Obama 332, Romney 206

It felt a lot closer than that though. :|
Title: Re: The Obama/Romney topic
Post by: The Ancient Warrior on November 11, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
Well, it was until Obama got California.  Keep in mind that's 55 electoral votes right there, so before that, it really was neck-and-neck most of the way.  And apparently, Florida was only decided yesterday. :lol: