Quote from: PurpleParrot4Life on September 06, 2012, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: The Silver Monkey on September 06, 2012, 11:55:32 PM

OK, here's what I have for Saladin:

Once again, one or the other can't be the half pendant. I'm kid of leaning toward it being on the Throne's camera-left armrest, if just because what's on the sarcophagus in the Tomb doesn't seem to be the right size and shape.

With only your pictures for reference, I can say that I extremely doubt the half pendant is the circled object in the Tomb of Ancient Kings... it is significantly too small and would have been in the same room as the final temple guard (if we were to assume that the final guard was in a dead-end Heart Room that could be accessed from the Throne Room).

The third guard had to be either in there or in the Pirates' Cove, since we know that the other guard that Lea didn't encounter was in the Cave of Sighs, and she entered all of the other rooms.

I know I'm going against my motto by saying this, but the Pirates' Cove (and all of the rooms toward the back of the temple) statistically held significantly less amounts of guards than the rooms toward the entrance way of the temple, so my guess is that the final guard was in the Heart Room (although I admittedly have no way to prove it). Plus, there have not yet been any other half pendants potentially being located anywhere in that entire room.

OK, here's what I have for Saladin:

Once again, one or the other can't be the half pendant. I'm kid of leaning toward it being on the Throne's camera-left armrest, if just because what's on the sarcophagus in the Tomb doesn't seem to be the right size and shape.

With only your pictures for reference, I can say that I extremely doubt the half pendant is the circled object in the Tomb of Ancient Kings... it is significantly too small and would have been in the same room as the final temple guard (if we were to assume that the final guard was in a dead-end Heart Room that could be accessed from the Throne Room).

I highly doubt that the half pendant for "Silver Saddle Horn of Hannibal" was in the Throne Room (photo courtesy of video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf):

Your finding for "Elizabeth I's Golden Ship" seems plausible. The half pendant would have had to have been placed in a room prior to the Golden Idols, and I believe that the producers never put the half pendant in the Crypt or Ledges (or their respective rooms for alternate layouts). Also, upon watching the whole temple run clip, it seems that the second runner went around the BACK of the ladder leading to the Throne Room, while the area circled is on the FRONT SIDE of the ladder, explaining why she easily missed the half pendant if the circled object is it. A (potentially) very nice find, TRJ!

It reminds me of another temple run that had that same piece sitting in the Room of the Harmonic Convergence? Was it "The Treasure Map of Jean Lafitte"? I have a class soon and can't check until later, but I remember seeing a similar piece sitting on the ground in another temple run.

I was intrigued about your inquiry, so I took it upon myself to investigate "The Treasure Map of Jean Lafitte." And indeed, I came across a very interesting find (photo courtesy video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf):



(Sorry for the blurry photo... the camera was doing a panoramic shot of the room, and this is one of the only times that the floor is seen from this angle; if you want, you can look on the video yourself and see that there is most undoubtedly an object on the floor there at 2:03 on the temple run clock.)

An object can be seen in the Harmonic Convergence, and it's very similar to those captured in my previous photos for "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan." What is interesting to note here, is that the room preceding the Harmonic Convergence this time is the Wheel Room, not the Wall Climb... so there wasn't any debris from the Wall Climb spilling out into the Harmonic Convergence this time (which eliminates that as an explanation for the object being there). Also, similarly to "The Lost Logbooks of Magellan," entering The Room of Harmonic Convergence was avoidable, as proven by the second runner's ability to proceed from the Troubled Bridge to the Observatory to the Heart Room and beyond. Just as in the other episode, if the frontrunner had taken this path to begin with, then the second runner would not have needed to enter the Harmonic Convergence, nor would the frontrunner have encountered the temple in that room. Thus, the half pendant there would not have been needed in order to progress because the second runner (hopefully) would have followed the frontrunner's path and avoided The Room of Harmonic Convergence entirely.

Interesting, on a closer look at the temple run for "Magellan", the piece that PP4L circled does look a little peculiar. At first I thought it was just some debris from the Pit of Despair, but that circled piece looks bigger than the stuff from the Pit. It makes me wonder if the Room of Harmonic Convergence was a really a deadend in that run. I mean if that is the half-pendant, it would've been kind of harsh to expect the second runner to go in there and find a half-pendant. I mean Jessica doesn't even notice it when she goes into that room. But then again, season one had some really weird half-pendant locations.

And at the end of the temple run, Kirk also points into the direction for the Room of Harmonic Convergence. Who knows though, season one and their bad camera angles. 

I truly believe that the Harmonic Convergence was not a dead end in the Logbooks episode. "Legends" saw its fair share of mishaps with doors not firing and contestants failing to complete room objectives to unlock the doors. In addition, when the frontrunner walked over the last symbol combination, he certainly did not use the same stomping force as with the other combinations. Plus, the object-in-question was positioned between the two symbols in that final combination; that does not seem like a coincidence. And generally speaking, the correct symbol combination in the Harmonic Convergence was almost always one that included one of the symbols in the back of the room. Given all of these facts, it just seems too perfect for the room to have been a dead end.

You must also consider the fact that if it was not a dead end, then the second runner would have followed the path from the Pit to the Harmonic Convergence to the Heart Room, thereby "being forced" to enter the Room of Harmonic Convergence and the half pendant ("being forced" in the sense of following the frontrunner's path, seeing as how the Pit/Heart Room access would not have needed to be activated during the frontrunner's progress). On the contrary, if the frontrunner had never entered the Harmonic Convergence, and instead immediately went from the Pit to the Heart Room, then it would make sense for the second runner to follow that path, rather than try the actuator from the Pit to the Room of Harmonic Convergence and deviate from the frontrunner's path.

We obviously know that, if the object-in-question was really the half pendant, then the second runner passed it up. But just because the half pendant was "right there in plain sight" does not mean that the contestant would have necessarily seen it and picked it up. Going back to the "Henry VIII's Great Seal" episode, if the half pendant was really located on the floor in the Dungeon, then that means that Nick went right passed it, even though it was also "right there in plain sight".

And lastly, I would like to point out that even if most of the Season 1 half pendants were located one room from the final temple guard, there could still be outliers. Case and point: Pecos Bill's Lost Lariat... the half pendant was in the Throne Room, which I'm taking as meaning that the lower route (Cave of Sighs, Wheel Room, Throne Room to Heart Room) would have been open as well. If this were the case, then it would make sense for the first temple guard to be in the Throne Room (during the credits, we can see that there isn't a guard in the Cave of Sighs, there was rarely ever a guard in the Tomb of Ancient Kings, and I doubt that there was a guard in the Holes of Python because the contestant would have had to run over the guard upon exiting the temple); we know that the other two were in the Heart Room and Treasure Room. But with the half pendant being in the Throne Room, the half pendant COULD NOT have been one room away from the final temple guard because the final guard could not have been the one in the Heart Room. So, as nice as that "It's one room away from the final temple guard" trend seems, we automatically know that it does not hold true for every Season One episode.

But I just want to point out that I don't think that there was ever a half-pendant in the "Anne Bonny" treasure chest when it was in the Shrine. I know on one site that it said that Jammin John found the half-pendant in said treasure chest, but I don't really think he did. That would've been a very cruel place to put and expecting a contestant to look into a random prop for a half-pendant would've been way too harsh. I think the only reason John looked in it because he got confused on the room objective. Which is understandable, since it was basically the first temple run ever made.

Well, it was mentioned that the Season 1 half pendant locations did seem a bit peculiar and obscure. Even if the half pendant wasn't located in the Anne Bonny treasure chest during Jammin' Jon's run, would that mean that it was impossible for the half pendant to be there in another run? I don't think so. Especially since it has happened that way in other episodes: the half pendant was in the Tomb of the Headless Kings during the Bifocal Monocle of One-Eyed Jack, but it was never placed there again.

If we are going on the hunch that the half pendant was in the Shrine since that was the room prior to the final temple guard, I don't see where else the half pendant could have been placed. Since all of the camera angles fail to zoom in toward the back of the room well, it is hard to simply put up a picture and circle the pendant. However, we need to use deductive reasoning: It is not out-rightly visible anywhere else in the room, and we know that it was not in the base, since Jessica had no interference assembling the monkey.  In addition, there is the fact that Jessica never looked down at the counter with the treasure chest when she went to grab the head of the monkey; therefore, it very easily could have been in there, with the producers' intent that she would look down when she was grabbing the piece of the monkey and grab it. All of this together makes me feel that if the half pendant were to be placed somewhere in that room, the treasure chest would have been the most likely place where it would have been.