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The Heart Room / Re: Where were the temple guards?
« on: September 20, 2012, 06:05:07 PM »
Quote from: The Silver Monkey on June 08, 2011, 02:04:15 AM
As far as Gawain is concerned, I think there was a guard in the Chamber, but since the cover didn't go up when Tiffani completed, despite the flash of light that normally accompanies it, the guard couldn't capture it. This is further evidenced in that the cover doesn't go up when Tiffani grabs the helmet (it should've, as it did when Gator grabbed the Mussel-Shell Armor of Apanuugpak).

Gawain was the only episode where the lights flashed and the cover failed to go up. If you go to the video and watch that part, the sound effect of the cover going up is even heard. That makes me believe that there was a guard in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers.

I think that the second guard was placed in the Ledges. The dark lighting in the Ledges would have been crucial so that the contestants would not be able to see the guard from where they stood at the gate, during the temple overview. In "Bifocal Monocle," "Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag," and "War Fan" (the three other episodes taped during that day), the Ledges were lit. The same dark lighting was used during the temple overview for "The Dried Apple Half of William Tell," which we know housed a guard in the Ledges. It was not until the contestant descended from the Crypt to the Ledges that the Ledges became lit and revealed the guard. And just as with "Gawain," the other episodes taped during the same day as "Apple Half" had lit Ledges during the temple overview.

I believe that there was NOT a guard in the Quicksand Bog. There is a lack of piling of Styrofoam blocks in the "Gawain" episode, in comparison to the "Lost Taj Mahal Turban of Aurangzeb," which we know had a temple guard in the Bog. Consider these two screenshots taken from those two episodes (courtesy video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf):





For the placement of the third guard instead, I believe it was the Room of the Secret Password or the King's Storeroom. After the Silver Monkey is assembled, the door to the Secret Password opens, and the camera does a panoramic-sweeping view up to the Secret Password, which means that the producers probably expected Tiffani to head in that direction. The other possibility is that the guard was in the King's Storeroom, and that after running into the guard behind the cover in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, Tiffani would have had to have gone up to the King's Storeroom and encountered another guard immediately (a la "Upside Compass of Henry Hudson").

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The Heart Room / Re: Mummified Hand Episode
« on: September 20, 2012, 05:40:58 PM »
Quote from: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
I know that the season 3 Ledges were usually darker than the season 2 Ledges. The one thing unusual about the "Sir Gawain" Ledges is that they were totally pitch black. I mean look at the Ledges in the "William the Conqueror" and "War Fan" Ledges and they had some  though sort of lighting in them. The Ledges for "William Tell" even had some lighting in it. But the Ledges were totally pitch black in "Sir Gawain" and you can't even see a single thing. But it was the first production day of season 3 so its possible that the producers were testing things out still. I mean notice how Olmec's face is lighten up in the first three photos? So I don't really compare those episodes with later production days.

I don't think you see my point. I am not comparing the lighting of Seasons Two and Three. Nor am I saying that the change in lighting was a malfunction in the lighting production. I don't think that the dim lighting for the "Gawain" run was because the producers were "still testing things out." I am saying that the different light settings used for the Ledges were done so by choice and for a purpose. The dark lighting was used only when a temple guard was stationed in the Ledges. This was done so that way they would not be seen by the contestants when they were first getting the temple overview at the gate.

My comparison to the other episodes was also for a purpose. I gave screenshots of the two episodes shot prior to the "Gawain" episode, to show that the lighting in the Ledges was not completely dark every episode during that production day. I also gave screenshots of "The Dried Apple Half" because that was the only Season Three Episode where a temple guard in the Ledges caught a contestant. In the first screenshot, taken during the temple overview, there is absolutely no light being emitted out of the Ledges. It is not until the contestant is in the temple, descending from the Crypt to the Ledges that the Ledges becomes lit, revealing the temple guard's location there. My screenshot of "The Discarded Seal" was meant to give another comparison between episodes taped during the same day. "The Discarded Seal" and "The Dried Apple Half" were shot the same day; however, as my screenshot reveals, the Ledges were lit during the temple overview of "Seal" but not during "Apple Half."

That should clearly demonstrate that the Ledges being lit during the temple overview was a sign that there was no guard in the Ledges, while a dark Ledges during the temple overview was a sign that there was a guard stationed in the Ledges. For this reason, I strongly believe that one of the guards in the "Gawain" run was in the Ledges.

Again, my apologies for being so off topic from the thread title.

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The Heart Room / Re: Mummified Hand Episode
« on: September 20, 2012, 01:17:21 PM »
Quote from: PurpleParrot4Life on September 20, 2012, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
Yeah, I remember people theorizing in the past that one of the temple guards in the "Sir Gawain" run was in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. The door to the King's Storeroom never opens though even though it looks like it should. As a result, its possible that Tiffani avoided a temple guard when she shouldn't have. I mean after all she took the most direct path to the artifact and still encountered no guards. I guess the Ledges, Chamber (?), and Quicksand Bogs were the possible locations of the temple guard in that run. Also, one interesting note is that its possible that the entire temple was screwed up for that production day.

Quote from: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
In the "War Fan" run, there was a person that claimed he was Jeremy on Youtube (which I do believe was the same Jeremy from that episode) in one of the videos for that temple run. He said that the power went out when he first ran through the temple, so they had to do the run all over again. That explains why the skull was sitting on the chair in the Tomb of the Headless Kings. It could also explain why the door malfunctioned to. Tiffani's temple run was right after Jeremy's temple run and if you notice, the temple is very dark for her run. Just look at the Ledges for example - they were pitch black! So its possible that the door malfunctioned because the temple was screwy that day.

The same door malfunction occurred in the Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror, also, when Jonathan went into the temple. He pushed the door aside so vigorously that it swung and recoiled, closing as he ran into the Jester's Court. It did not affect his run, however, since he never receded back in that direction, and his partner had already entered the temple. Since the Battle Flag theoretically occurred before War Fan (even though it was the same production day), the power outage would not likely have caused the door to get stuck.

As far as the Ledges being dark, it could be a sign of when there was a temple guard located there. The only time a guard captures someone in the Ledges is in the Dried Apple Half of William Tell. Before the run starts, the Ledges are dark in comparison to when the temple guard captures the contestant:

For this reason, I think that the Ledges were kept dark before the temple run began in those specific episodes (note that the Ledges were lit in other episodes, like Thornwood Gavel) because they wanted to keep the temple guards hidden from the contestants' view. The guards were most likely stationed at the top of the Ledges in Season Three because, in the event that they were stationed at the bottom like in Season Two, when the contestant went from the Crypt down to the top actuator in the Ledges, they were out of reach of the temple guard (if that makes any sense). In other words, in order for the guard to  physically be within reach of the contestant, they would need to be stationed at the top of the Ledges. It would have been blatantly obvious if a temple guard were there if the producers were to have kept the Ledges lit during those runs where a guard was stationed in the Ledges.

I was just able to get a good screenshot comparison of the Ledges from before "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag", "The War Fan", "The Helmet of Sir Gawain", and "The Discarded Seal" runs, in comparison to that of the "Dried Apple Half" run photos posted previously. We are certain that there was a temple guard in the Ledges for "Dried Apple Half" (they ran into it) and that there was no temple guard in the Ledges for either "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag" or "The Discarded Seal" (they ran into all three, none of them being in the Ledges). The first three photos were from consecutive episodes taped on the same day. Then the final photo was taped the same day as the "Dried Apple Half" episode. Hopefully this series of comparative photos will subside any remarks that "The lighting may have changed day to day," or that "the lighting change happened because of the power glitch":


Episode 82


Episode 83


Episode 84


Episode 97 (to compare with "Dried Apple Half", Episode 99)

(courtesy video on youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf)

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The Heart Room / Re: Mummified Hand Episode
« on: September 20, 2012, 10:51:40 AM »
Quote from: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
Yeah, I remember people theorizing in the past that one of the temple guards in the "Sir Gawain" run was in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers. The door to the King's Storeroom never opens though even though it looks like it should. As a result, its possible that Tiffani avoided a temple guard when she shouldn't have. I mean after all she took the most direct path to the artifact and still encountered no guards. I guess the Ledges, Chamber (?), and Quicksand Bogs were the possible locations of the temple guard in that run. Also, one interesting note is that its possible that the entire temple was screwed up for that production day.

I probably will get reprimanded for straying from the topic, but I'd like to say that I doubt that there was a guard in the Quicksand Bog in the "Helmet of Sir Gawain" run. During the panoramic/sweep view at 1:14, there's a brief glimpse of the Bog. The Styrofoam blocks are not piled up like they are when there is a guard there... Please compare the Helmet of Sir Gawain with the Turban of Aurangzeb (Courtesy video on youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf).





Quote from: The Red Jaguars on September 20, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
In the "War Fan" run, there was a person that claimed he was Jeremy on Youtube (which I do believe was the same Jeremy from that episode) in one of the videos for that temple run. He said that the power went out when he first ran through the temple, so they had to do the run all over again. That explains why the skull was sitting on the chair in the Tomb of the Headless Kings. It could also explain why the door malfunctioned to. Tiffani's temple run was right after Jeremy's temple run and if you notice, the temple is very dark for her run. Just look at the Ledges for example - they were pitch black! So its possible that the door malfunctioned because the temple was screwy that day.

The same door malfunction occurred in the Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror, also, when Jonathan went into the temple. He pushed the door aside so vigorously that it swung and recoiled, closing as he ran into the Jester's Court. It did not affect his run, however, since he never receded back in that direction, and his partner had already entered the temple. Since the Battle Flag theoretically occurred before War Fan (even though it was the same production day), the power outage would not likely have caused the door to get stuck.

As far as the Ledges being dark, it could be a sign of when there was a temple guard located there. The only time a guard captures someone in the Ledges is in the Dried Apple Half of William Tell. Before the run starts, the Ledges are dark in comparison to when the temple guard captures the contestant:





For this reason, I think that the Ledges were kept dark before the temple run began in those specific episodes (note that the Ledges were lit in other episodes, like Thornwood Gavel) because they wanted to keep the temple guards hidden from the contestants' view. The guards were most likely stationed at the top of the Ledges in Season Three because, in the event that they were stationed at the bottom like in Season Two, when the contestant went from the Crypt down to the top actuator in the Ledges, they were out of reach of the temple guard (if that makes any sense). In other words, in order for the guard to  physically be within reach of the contestant, they would need to be stationed at the top of the Ledges. It would have been blatantly obvious if a temple guard were there if the producers were to have kept the Ledges lit during those runs where a guard was stationed in the Ledges.

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The Heart Room / Re: Mummified Hand Episode
« on: September 19, 2012, 10:21:49 PM »
Quote from: The Red Jaguars on March 25, 2011, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: The Ancient Warrior on March 24, 2011, 10:35:51 PM
I figure you're thinking of the configurations in "The Melted Head of Madame Tussaud," where two room objectives could have been avoided by climbing out of the Pit; and "The Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean," where the low and high roads merged at the Room of the Ancient Warriors rather than the King's Storeroom.  I definitely agree that whichever of those two episodes' configurations the low road in the "Mummified Hand" run would've mimicked would at least change things dramatically, but how much is the question.

Reviewing the episode, Josh was at least faster than average, and maybe that would've helped him with the lower objectives of the Tomb and the Chamber.  Seeing as he had about fifty seconds to go when he was caught in the Room of the Secret Password, he might have used up the rest of his time getting there if he had to traverse the whole central shaft.  Taking out the King's Storeroom, though, would have saved about thirty-five seconds (counting from when he bypasses the Tomb door with exactly two minutes left to when he enters the Room of the Ancient Warriors), so I'm positive he could've at least gotten to the Hand if the Chamber-Warriors door had been active and used during the run, but only then.

Yeah, we will never know how the path would truly work in that run. It could've forced Maggie and Josh into the Chamber and into the Room of the Ancient Warriors, or send them all the way up the central shaft.

One thing though that the Thornwood Gavel, Melted Head, Mummified Hand, and Lost Hornpipe have in common is that the artifacts were all located on the bottom floor, and all the teams had a choice between the top and bottom floor. They chose the direct path though which added a couple of more rooms on (and more temple guards) when they chose the bottom path. At least the Lost Hornpipe of the Pirate Captain team won though.

I really feel bad that I keep bumping all of these topics, but I feel the need to comment about this unsolved "mystery." I believe the producers meant for the team to go up the whole central shaft, rather than from the Chamber of the Sacred Markers to the Room of the Ancient Warriors. The only lead I have, which I think is a substantial one, is that the half pendant for the episode is located in the Chamber of the Sacred Markers, on the upper left-hand column of the markers. If I recall, every episode that featured the half pendant there, with the exception of Helmet of Sir Gawain, forced the player up to the King's Storeroom.

And as it stands (even though this is a bit farther off topic), I believe that the intended path for the Sir Gawain episode was to also go upstairs, since the lights flashed when the room objective was completed (that was the only time where the light flashed and the ladder to the King's Storeroom was not revealed). Since that run featured no temple guards, it is most probable that one of them was behind that door, and then the others were most likely in the Ledges and Room of the Secret Password (since the Ledges were so dark, and the camera did a sweeping view to the Room of the Secret Password when the Shrine of the Silver Monkey was completed).

So now that I've completely gotten off topic, let me conclude this bump by restating that I believe the intended path for "The Mummified Hand" was to go all the way up the central shaft, as explained by my longwinded, roundabout argument.

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The Heart Room / Re: Interesting Photos from Various Episodes
« on: September 19, 2012, 10:12:59 PM »
I agree that the blurred person in Chandra.

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The Heart Room / Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« on: September 18, 2012, 11:06:35 PM »
Quote from: The Silver Monkey on September 07, 2012, 12:17:00 AM
I don't know if this is it or not (it could just be the light reflecting off of the tarp):

Though considering that the half pendant in the Henry VIII run was there and it was filmed the same day...

If you continue watching the run until 0:27 left on the clock, you can see this, which looks to be more like the tarp than a half pendant (courtesy youtube.com video posted by ChargerTheWolf):


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The Heart Room / Re: Half-Pendant Locations
« on: September 18, 2012, 11:00:57 PM »
For the "Lucky Pig of Amelia Earhart," I feel like the half pendant would have been in the Heart Room or the Tomb of Ancient Kings.  Considering the guards were in the Room of the Three Gargoyles and the Swamp, the third guard must have been in the Heart Room (the only unentered rooms were the Cave of Sighs- I doubt that both entrances would have had guards- and the Room of Harmonic Convergence- the room with the object). In the event that Kristen went into the Heart Room from the Observatory, she would have been taken out there. That means that Scott would have run into the Swamp guard as the third guard.

The half pendant is not visible in the Observatory, Treasure Room, Shrine of the Silver Monkey, Pirate's Cove, Dungeon, or Tomb of Ancient Kings. Therefore, the most probable places in my mind would either be in the Heart Room, since that room was not entered or shown during the temple overview (but was still active during the run, as evidence of having the third guard), or inside the "Sarcophagus" in the Tomb of Ancient Kings. The only reason I mention the Tomb of Ancient Kings is because it would have been obscured from the camera's view, while still being in an unlikely place that the contestant "should" see. In addition, the other episodes from this layout and this production day were all thought to have the half pendant located somewhere on the ground, so why not put it on the ground in a container that cannot be seen by the television viewer?

Any thoughts?

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The Heart Room / Re: Episodes with similarities
« on: September 18, 2012, 01:21:43 PM »
Another similarity is between "The War Fan of the Forty-Seven Ronin" and "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror." Both episodes were Season Three episodes. More importantly, both featured the door from the Pit to the Tomb of the Headless Kings getting stuck shut. Even though it did not impede their run, it did in fact happen when Jonathan ran through the Tomb of the Headless Kings (he pushed the door out of the way as he ran past, and there was enough momentum for the door to swing open and back, and then get stuck closed.

Also, a pretty obvious similarity is between "The Mussel Shell Armor of Apanupac" and "The Comet-Embroidered Battle Flag of William the Conqueror." They both featured the Green Monkeys running in the temple, attempting to reach the Chamber of the Sacred Markers in the Season Three Layout. They shared the same path. And, what I find most hilarious, is that in both episodes, when the door from the Room of the Ancient Warriors to the Chamber of the Sacred Markers opens, Kirk incorrectly says, "He's heading up to the King's Storeroom!"

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The Heart Room / Re: Episodes with similarities
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:33:49 PM »
Sorry for bumping this topic, but there is another similarity that I thought should be mentioned: War Fan of the Forty-Seven Ronin and Thornwood Gavel of Judge Roy Bean. They were both Season Three episodes. The frontrunners in both episodes were male. They took the same exact path, with the second guard appearing in the Room of the Secret Password. In both episodes, the first headdress in the Room of the Ancient Warriors activated the door to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Also, both had female second runners who got unnecessarily slowed down en route to where their partner was taken out: Elise had the issue with the door malfunction in the Tomb of the Headless Kings, while Kelly detoured to the King's Storeroom.

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Phantom's Temple's Greatest Legends Episode Tournament! / Re: Best Legends Win - QF - Day 27: "Lawrence of Arabia" vs. "Egyptian Queen"
« on: September 17, 2012, 10:22:16 AM »
I don't have access to the "Public Poll" button (or whatever it's called) either.

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The Heart Room / Re: Interesting Photo from "Moccasins of Geronimo"
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:29:21 PM »
I'm not sure who it is, or what they are doing. But as the camera person is zooming in on the moccasins (from outside the temple), the person behind the door in the photo closes the door... suspicious....

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The Heart Room / Interesting Photos from Various Episodes
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:13:24 PM »
Hi everyone. I was watching "The Moccasins of Geronimo" today, and while I was watching, I came across this very unusual camera shot during the temple overview. Between the announcement of the first and second prize, they zoomed in on the Moccasins, and there seems to have been a person behind the temple guard door.



I just thought I'd share it out of curiosity. (Photo courtesy of video from youtube.com posted by ChargerTheWolf.)

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Phantom's Temple's Greatest Legends Episode Tournament! / Re: Best Legends Win - Round 2 - Day Twenty Two: "Lawrence of Arabia" vs. "Atocha"
« on: September 11, 2012, 06:20:27 PM »
Quote from: The Red Jaguars on September 11, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
I love "Atocha" also, but it just doesn't compete with "Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress" when it comes to the ending. Ty was a solid contestant though and the beginning of the run was rather memorable. But the above team's effort was a little more exciting and a team victory at the end of the day is usually more exciting too.

This was a tough one, and I think it's because they are quite similar. "Headdress" was a one-second finish; "Atocha" was a nine-second finish. So they were both pretty down-to-the-wire. However, I voted for "Lucky Medallion of Atocha". And the only reasons I feel it's better are because of the memorable beginning to the run and the fact that it is a solo run. "Headdress" could have been a solo run, since the guard in the Ledges, as well as the one in the Room of the Fallen Columns, were avoidable (I'm not bashing their strategy, I'm just saying that the "Atocha" run was more successful in that regard). Granted, at the rate that Candice was going, I'm not sure if it would have been an exciting solo run. So for that reason, I feel that "Atocha" was a more well-deserved victory.

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Phantom's Temple's Greatest Legends Episode Tournament! / Re: Best Legends Win - Round 2 - Day Nineteen: "Pirate Captain" vs. "Genghis Khan"
« on: September 09, 2012, 12:35:11 AM »
I'd just like to point out that both girls covered 6 rooms before they got taken out of the temple. Becca was taken out 16 seconds sooner (granted, the objectives for Season 1 were less intricate), yet their temple run ran closer to the wire.

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